An electric bike is a bike that uses electricity to help you pedal. They come in a lot of different styles and sizes, but the basics are all the same. You put your feet on the pedals, and push them to go.
There are a lot of different things you can do with an electric bike, but the basics are all the same. You can ride them wherever you want, and they're really easy to use. You just plug them in to an outlet, and they're ready to go. There are a lot of different things you can do with an electric bike, but the basics are all the same.
Go Here : https://o.bike/best-electric-unicycles/

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:46:40 a.m. UTC-4, Albert Johnson wrote:
> An electric bike is a bike that uses electricity to help you pedal. They come in a lot of different styles and sizes, but the basics are all the same. You put your feet on the pedals, and push them to go.
> There are a lot of different things you can do with an electric bike, but the basics are all the same. You can ride them wherever you want, and they're really easy to use. You just plug them in to an outlet, and they're ready to go. There are a lot of different things you can do with an electric bike, but the basics are all the same.
> Go Here : https://o.bike/best-electric-unicycles/

You've resurrected a 14 years old thread. WOW! LOL

Cheers

Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pathic@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:46:40 a.m. UTC-4, Albert Johnson wrote:
>> An electric bike is a bike that uses electricity to help you pedal. They
>> come in a lot of different styles and sizes, but the basics are all the
>> same. You put your feet on the pedals, and push them to go.
>> There are a lot of different things you can do with an electric bike,
>> but the basics are all the same. You can ride them wherever you want,
>> and they're really easy to use. You just plug them in to an outlet, and
>> they're ready to go. There are a lot of different things you can do with
>> an electric bike, but the basics are all the same.
>> Go Here : https://o.bike/best-electric-unicycles/
>
> You've resurrected a 14 years old thread. WOW! LOL
>
> Cheers
>
Well since at the moment folks are arguing about COVID19/Trump/Biden…

One of my friends has bought a E-MTB will be interesting to see how it
performs when I’m down to the Welsh hills for Easter!

Roger Merriman.

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:45:30 a.m. UTC-4, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:46:40 a.m. UTC-4, Albert Johnson wrote:
> >> An electric bike is a bike that uses electricity to help you pedal. They
> >> come in a lot of different styles and sizes, but the basics are all the
> >> same. You put your feet on the pedals, and push them to go.
> >> There are a lot of different things you can do with an electric bike,
> >> but the basics are all the same. You can ride them wherever you want,
> >> and they're really easy to use. You just plug them in to an outlet, and
> >> they're ready to go. There are a lot of different things you can do with
> >> an electric bike, but the basics are all the same.
> >> Go Here : https://o.bike/best-electric-unicycles/
> >
> > You've resurrected a 14 years old thread. WOW! LOL
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> Well since at the moment folks are arguing about COVID19/Trump/Biden…
>
> One of my friends has bought a E-MTB will be interesting to see how it
> performs when I’m down to the Welsh hills for Easter!
>
> Roger Merriman.

Actually it was an 18 years old thread he revived. I wonder if he's the seller in the links he provided in the two threads he posted to.

Cheers

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:45:30 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:46:40 a.m. UTC-4, Albert Johnson wrote:
> >> An electric bike is a bike that uses electricity to help you pedal. They
> >> come in a lot of different styles and sizes, but the basics are all the
> >> same. You put your feet on the pedals, and push them to go.
> >> There are a lot of different things you can do with an electric bike,
> >> but the basics are all the same. You can ride them wherever you want,
> >> and they're really easy to use. You just plug them in to an outlet, and
> >> they're ready to go. There are a lot of different things you can do with
> >> an electric bike, but the basics are all the same.
> >> Go Here : https://o.bike/best-electric-unicycles/
> >
> > You've resurrected a 14 years old thread. WOW! LOL
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> Well since at the moment folks are arguing about COVID19/Trump/Biden…
>
> One of my friends has bought a E-MTB will be interesting to see how it
> performs when I’m down to the Welsh hills for Easter!

In the cases I've seen, E-bikes hamper people on hills since they add significant weight to the bike and in most cases the additional power cannot overcome the additional weight. But I've been told that Frank loves E-bikes.

Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pathic@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:45:30 a.m. UTC-4, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:46:40 a.m. UTC-4, Albert Johnson wrote:
>>>> An electric bike is a bike that uses electricity to help you pedal. They
>>>> come in a lot of different styles and sizes, but the basics are all the
>>>> same. You put your feet on the pedals, and push them to go.
>>>> There are a lot of different things you can do with an electric bike,
>>>> but the basics are all the same. You can ride them wherever you want,
>>>> and they're really easy to use. You just plug them in to an outlet, and
>>>> they're ready to go. There are a lot of different things you can do with
>>>> an electric bike, but the basics are all the same.
>>>> Go Here : https://o.bike/best-electric-unicycles/
>>>
>>> You've resurrected a 14 years old thread. WOW! LOL
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>> Well since at the moment folks are arguing about COVID19/Trump/Biden…
>>
>> One of my friends has bought a E-MTB will be interesting to see how it
>> performs when I’m down to the Welsh hills for Easter!
>>
>> Roger Merriman.
>
> Actually it was an 18 years old thread he revived. I wonder if he's the
> seller in the links he provided in the two threads he posted to.
>
> Cheers
>
Oh I’m sure he’s the seller, this said any chance to avoid/distract from
bitching!

Roger Merriman.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:45:30 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:46:40 a.m. UTC-4, Albert Johnson wrote:
>>>> An electric bike is a bike that uses electricity to help you pedal. They
>>>> come in a lot of different styles and sizes, but the basics are all the
>>>> same. You put your feet on the pedals, and push them to go.
>>>> There are a lot of different things you can do with an electric bike,
>>>> but the basics are all the same. You can ride them wherever you want,
>>>> and they're really easy to use. You just plug them in to an outlet, and
>>>> they're ready to go. There are a lot of different things you can do with
>>>> an electric bike, but the basics are all the same.
>>>> Go Here : https://o.bike/best-electric-unicycles/
>>>
>>> You've resurrected a 14 years old thread. WOW! LOL
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>> Well since at the moment folks are arguing about COVID19/Trump/Biden…
>>
>> One of my friends has bought a E-MTB will be interesting to see how it
>> performs when I’m down to the Welsh hills for Easter!
>
> In the cases I've seen, E-bikes hamper people on hills since they add
> significant weight to the bike and in most cases the additional power
> cannot overcome the additional weight. But I've been told that Frank loves E-bikes.
>
That’s certainly not been my experience even with my folks cheap E hybrids
which are really quite cheap and heavy, but certainly capable of making
life easier up hills.

Don’t get me wrong certainly disadvantages as well, common one for MTBing
particularly if you do a lot of single track is their weight, so they need
to be muscled though the woods, and certainly aren’t as nimble for that
reason, and they do have accelerated wear on drive chain.

But either way I shall be interested to see how a decent E bike performs.

Roger Merriman

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:55:27 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:45:30 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:46:40 a.m. UTC-4, Albert Johnson wrote:
> >>>> An electric bike is a bike that uses electricity to help you pedal. They
> >>>> come in a lot of different styles and sizes, but the basics are all the
> >>>> same. You put your feet on the pedals, and push them to go.
> >>>> There are a lot of different things you can do with an electric bike,
> >>>> but the basics are all the same. You can ride them wherever you want,
> >>>> and they're really easy to use. You just plug them in to an outlet, and
> >>>> they're ready to go. There are a lot of different things you can do with
> >>>> an electric bike, but the basics are all the same.
> >>>> Go Here : https://o.bike/best-electric-unicycles/
> >>>
> >>> You've resurrected a 14 years old thread. WOW! LOL
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >> Well since at the moment folks are arguing about COVID19/Trump/Biden…
> >>
> >> One of my friends has bought a E-MTB will be interesting to see how it
> >> performs when I’m down to the Welsh hills for Easter!
> >
> > In the cases I've seen, E-bikes hamper people on hills since they add
> > significant weight to the bike and in most cases the additional power
> > cannot overcome the additional weight. But I've been told that Frank loves E-bikes.
> >
> That’s certainly not been my experience even with my folks cheap E hybrids
> which are really quite cheap and heavy, but certainly capable of making
> life easier up hills.
>
> Don’t get me wrong certainly disadvantages as well, common one for MTBing
> particularly if you do a lot of single track is their weight, so they need
> to be muscled though the woods, and certainly aren’t as nimble for that
> reason, and they do have accelerated wear on drive chain.
>
> But either way I shall be interested to see how a decent E bike performs.

The ebikes I've seen in action were road bikes and the weight difference was substantial. On what I consider to be a mild climb - 6% - I easily caught and passed them. Though perhaps they were novice riders without much strength. (As if I have any strength these days).

On 4/11/2022 11:55 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

>> In the cases I've seen, E-bikes hamper people on hills since they add
>> significant weight to the bike and in most cases the additional power
>> cannot overcome the additional weight. But I've been told that Frank loves E-bikes.
>>
> That’s certainly not been my experience even with my folks cheap E hybrids
> which are really quite cheap and heavy, but certainly capable of making
> life easier up hills.
>
> Don’t get me wrong certainly disadvantages as well, common one for MTBing
> particularly if you do a lot of single track is their weight, so they need
> to be muscled though the woods, and certainly aren’t as nimble for that
> reason, and they do have accelerated wear on drive chain.
>
> But either way I shall be interested to see how a decent E bike performs.

Tom is wrong of course™.

I was at a State Park last week, China Camp State Park in Marin County,
California, and there were a lot of electric mountain bikes on the
trails despite electric mountain bikes not being allowed.

They go up hills fast, too fast! It's basically like having motorcycles
on the trails, except these have pedals. Meanwhile, the old people, like
my wife and I, were on old-fashioned self-powered bikes. The eMTBs were
definitely being ridden by the younger crowd.

If a certain person were still around he'd be even more upset about the
eMtbs than he got about self-powered mountain bikes.

On 4/11/2022 3:26 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:55:27 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:45:30 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:46:40 a.m. UTC-4, Albert Johnson wrote:
>>>>>> An electric bike is a bike that uses electricity to help you pedal. They
>>>>>> come in a lot of different styles and sizes, but the basics are all the
>>>>>> same. You put your feet on the pedals, and push them to go.
>>>>>> There are a lot of different things you can do with an electric bike,
>>>>>> but the basics are all the same. You can ride them wherever you want,
>>>>>> and they're really easy to use. You just plug them in to an outlet, and
>>>>>> they're ready to go. There are a lot of different things you can do with
>>>>>> an electric bike, but the basics are all the same.
>>>>>> Go Here : https://o.bike/best-electric-unicycles/
>>>>>
>>>>> You've resurrected a 14 years old thread. WOW! LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>> Well since at the moment folks are arguing about COVID19/Trump/Biden…
>>>>
>>>> One of my friends has bought a E-MTB will be interesting to see how it
>>>> performs when I’m down to the Welsh hills for Easter!
>>>
>>> In the cases I've seen, E-bikes hamper people on hills since they add
>>> significant weight to the bike and in most cases the additional power
>>> cannot overcome the additional weight. But I've been told that Frank loves E-bikes.
>>>
>> That’s certainly not been my experience even with my folks cheap E hybrids
>> which are really quite cheap and heavy, but certainly capable of making
>> life easier up hills.
>>
>> Don’t get me wrong certainly disadvantages as well, common one for MTBing
>> particularly if you do a lot of single track is their weight, so they need
>> to be muscled though the woods, and certainly aren’t as nimble for that
>> reason, and they do have accelerated wear on drive chain.
>>
>> But either way I shall be interested to see how a decent E bike performs.
>
> The ebikes I've seen in action were road bikes and the weight difference was substantial. On what I consider to be a mild climb - 6% - I easily caught and passed them. Though perhaps they were novice riders without much strength. (As if I have any strength these days).
>

Substantial if you mean 16 lbs versus 26 lbs:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/ariae22.jpg
Or +62%.

Viewed another way, road bikes are only 10 lb heavier,
unlike rental electrics or other styles:

https://bikehike.org/how-much-does-a-divvy-bike-weigh/

70 lb (!) Chicago Divvy Bike.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:00:06 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/11/2022 3:26 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:55:27 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:45:30 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:46:40 a.m. UTC-4, Albert Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>> An electric bike is a bike that uses electricity to help you pedal. They
>>>>>>> come in a lot of different styles and sizes, but the basics are all the
>>>>>>> same. You put your feet on the pedals, and push them to go.
>>>>>>> There are a lot of different things you can do with an electric bike,
>>>>>>> but the basics are all the same. You can ride them wherever you want,
>>>>>>> and they're really easy to use. You just plug them in to an outlet, and
>>>>>>> they're ready to go. There are a lot of different things you can do with
>>>>>>> an electric bike, but the basics are all the same.
>>>>>>> Go Here : https://o.bike/best-electric-unicycles/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've resurrected a 14 years old thread. WOW! LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well since at the moment folks are arguing about COVID19/Trump/Biden…
>>>>>
>>>>> One of my friends has bought a E-MTB will be interesting to see how it
>>>>> performs when I’m down to the Welsh hills for Easter!
>>>>
>>>> In the cases I've seen, E-bikes hamper people on hills since they add
>>>> significant weight to the bike and in most cases the additional power
>>>> cannot overcome the additional weight. But I've been told that Frank loves E-bikes.
>>>>
>>> That’s certainly not been my experience even with my folks cheap E hybrids
>>> which are really quite cheap and heavy, but certainly capable of making
>>> life easier up hills.
>>>
>>> Don’t get me wrong certainly disadvantages as well, common one for MTBing
>>> particularly if you do a lot of single track is their weight, so they need
>>> to be muscled though the woods, and certainly aren’t as nimble for that
>>> reason, and they do have accelerated wear on drive chain.
>>>
>>> But either way I shall be interested to see how a decent E bike performs.
>>
>> The ebikes I've seen in action were road bikes and the weight difference was substantial. On what I consider to be a mild climb - 6% - I easily caught and passed them. Though perhaps they were novice riders without much strength. (As if I have any strength these days).
>>
>
>Substantial if you mean 16 lbs versus 26 lbs:
>http://www.yellowjersey.org/ariae22.jpg
>Or +62%.
>
>Viewed another way, road bikes are only 10 lb heavier,
>unlike rental electrics or other styles:
>
>https://bikehike.org/how-much-does-a-divvy-bike-weigh/
>
>70 lb (!) Chicago Divvy Bike.

On the other hand I see electric bikes with 750 watt motors. Compared
with? 2 - 300 watts for a person?
https://bestratedelectricbikes.com/high-power-electric-bike/
https://www.cyclinganalytics.com/blog/2018/06/how-does-your-cycling-power-output-compare
--
Cheers,

John B.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:55:27 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:45:30 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 7:46:40 a.m. UTC-4, Albert Johnson wrote:
>>>>>> An electric bike is a bike that uses electricity to help you pedal. They
>>>>>> come in a lot of different styles and sizes, but the basics are all the
>>>>>> same. You put your feet on the pedals, and push them to go.
>>>>>> There are a lot of different things you can do with an electric bike,
>>>>>> but the basics are all the same. You can ride them wherever you want,
>>>>>> and they're really easy to use. You just plug them in to an outlet, and
>>>>>> they're ready to go. There are a lot of different things you can do with
>>>>>> an electric bike, but the basics are all the same.
>>>>>> Go Here : https://o.bike/best-electric-unicycles/
>>>>>
>>>>> You've resurrected a 14 years old thread. WOW! LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>> Well since at the moment folks are arguing about COVID19/Trump/Biden…
>>>>
>>>> One of my friends has bought a E-MTB will be interesting to see how it
>>>> performs when I’m down to the Welsh hills for Easter!
>>>
>>> In the cases I've seen, E-bikes hamper people on hills since they add
>>> significant weight to the bike and in most cases the additional power
>>> cannot overcome the additional weight. But I've been told that Frank loves E-bikes.
>>>
>> That’s certainly not been my experience even with my folks cheap E hybrids
>> which are really quite cheap and heavy, but certainly capable of making
>> life easier up hills.
>>
>> Don’t get me wrong certainly disadvantages as well, common one for MTBing
>> particularly if you do a lot of single track is their weight, so they need
>> to be muscled though the woods, and certainly aren’t as nimble for that
>> reason, and they do have accelerated wear on drive chain.
>>
>> But either way I shall be interested to see how a decent E bike performs.
>
> The ebikes I've seen in action were road bikes and the weight difference
> was substantial. On what I consider to be a mild climb - 6% - I easily
> caught and passed them. Though perhaps they were novice riders without
> much strength. (As if I have any strength these days).
>
Depends how mild, possibly the bike was on its limiter.

To be honest E road bikes make the least sense, as you run into the limiter
much more.

Where as commute or MTB it’s a much better fit.

Roger Merriman.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:00:06 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>Substantial if you mean 16 lbs versus 26 lbs:
>http://www.yellowjersey.org/ariae22.jpg
>Or +62%.
>
>Viewed another way, road bikes are only 10 lb heavier,
>unlike rental electrics or other styles:
>
>https://bikehike.org/how-much-does-a-divvy-bike-weigh/
>
>70 lb (!) Chicago Divvy Bike.

"The Ultimate Electric Bike Weight Guide (31 eBike Examples)"
<https://electricrideowner.com/the-ultimate-electric-bike-weight-guide-31-ebike-examples/>
The range of weights are 25 to 73 lbs with an average weight of 54
lbs.

Unfortunately, light weight comes with a carbon fiber price tag. This
25 lb eBike costs $10,000 (with Shimano Dura Ace Di2 groupset):
<https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/bikes/electric/e-road/supersix-evo-neo/supersix-evo-neo-1>
The motor is in the rear hub.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:32:55 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:00:06 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>Substantial if you mean 16 lbs versus 26 lbs:
>>http://www.yellowjersey.org/ariae22.jpg
>>Or +62%.
>>
>>Viewed another way, road bikes are only 10 lb heavier,
>>unlike rental electrics or other styles:
>>
>>https://bikehike.org/how-much-does-a-divvy-bike-weigh/
>>
>>70 lb (!) Chicago Divvy Bike.
>
>"The Ultimate Electric Bike Weight Guide (31 eBike Examples)"
><https://electricrideowner.com/the-ultimate-electric-bike-weight-guide-31-ebike-examples/>
>The range of weights are 25 to 73 lbs with an average weight of 54
>lbs.
>
>Unfortunately, light weight comes with a carbon fiber price tag. This
>25 lb eBike costs $10,000 (with Shimano Dura Ace Di2 groupset):
><https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/bikes/electric/e-road/supersix-evo-neo/supersix-evo-neo-1>
>The motor is in the rear hub.

But only a puny 250 watt motor. Get with it and have 1,000 watts of
power for only $6,999.99
https://www.electricbikeparadise.com/products/rambo-megatron-48v-17ah-1000w-fat-tire-electric-hunting-bike-1000-2xwd-2021-model?variant=37160346878149
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2022-04-11, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/11/2022 11:55 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>> In the cases I've seen, E-bikes hamper people on hills since they add
>>> significant weight to the bike and in most cases the additional power
>>> cannot overcome the additional weight. But I've been told that Frank loves E-bikes.
>>>
>> That’s certainly not been my experience even with my folks cheap E hybrids
>> which are really quite cheap and heavy, but certainly capable of making
>> life easier up hills.
>>
>> Don’t get me wrong certainly disadvantages as well, common one for MTBing
>> particularly if you do a lot of single track is their weight, so they need
>> to be muscled though the woods, and certainly aren’t as nimble for that
>> reason, and they do have accelerated wear on drive chain.
>>
>> But either way I shall be interested to see how a decent E bike performs.
>
> Tom is wrong of course™.
>
> I was at a State Park last week, China Camp State Park in Marin County,
> California, and there were a lot of electric mountain bikes on the
> trails despite electric mountain bikes not being allowed.
>
> They go up hills fast, too fast! It's basically like having motorcycles
> on the trails, except these have pedals. Meanwhile, the old people, like
> my wife and I, were on old-fashioned self-powered bikes. The eMTBs were
> definitely being ridden by the younger crowd.
>
> If a certain person were still around he'd be even more upset about the
> eMtbs than he got about self-powered mountain bikes.

I was thinking just these thoughts! Mike V, of course...or am I wrong.

I've been told he's still out there pontificatin, but I'm not interested in
reading those opinions, so I have not searched.

rec.bicycles.soc was where to find all that.....

pH in Aptos

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 7:56:15 p.m. UTC-4, pH wrote:
> On 2022-04-11, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > On 4/11/2022 11:55 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >>> In the cases I've seen, E-bikes hamper people on hills since they add
> >>> significant weight to the bike and in most cases the additional power
> >>> cannot overcome the additional weight. But I've been told that Frank loves E-bikes.
> >>>
> >> That’s certainly not been my experience even with my folks cheap E hybrids
> >> which are really quite cheap and heavy, but certainly capable of making
> >> life easier up hills.
> >>
> >> Don’t get me wrong certainly disadvantages as well, common one for MTBing
> >> particularly if you do a lot of single track is their weight, so they need
> >> to be muscled though the woods, and certainly aren’t as nimble for that
> >> reason, and they do have accelerated wear on drive chain.
> >>
> >> But either way I shall be interested to see how a decent E bike performs.
> >
> > Tom is wrong of course™.
> >
> > I was at a State Park last week, China Camp State Park in Marin County,
> > California, and there were a lot of electric mountain bikes on the
> > trails despite electric mountain bikes not being allowed.
> >
> > They go up hills fast, too fast! It's basically like having motorcycles
> > on the trails, except these have pedals. Meanwhile, the old people, like
> > my wife and I, were on old-fashioned self-powered bikes. The eMTBs were
> > definitely being ridden by the younger crowd.
> >
> > If a certain person were still around he'd be even more upset about the
> > eMtbs than he got about self-powered mountain bikes.
> I was thinking just these thoughts! Mike V, of course...or am I wrong.
>
> I've been told he's still out there pontificatin, but I'm not interested in
> reading those opinions, so I have not searched.
>
> rec.bicycles.soc was where to find all that.....
>
> pH in Aptos