In another week I'm riding the Tierra Bella century, well metric century. And for the last week I have been unable to train. The predictions right now are for rain at least until Monday but no rain has fallen yet. If it is descent weather on Tuesday I will probably do a metric for practice. But from the satellite photos it looks to me like it may rain right into the Tierra Bella. I can only hope it doesn't. Under training conditions like this I will change from the hilly metric to the flatter (not flat) metric and take advantage of all of the rest stops which I tended to ride past. The hilly metric is not hilly in my opinion. There is some light climbing after the start that soon comes down onto the flats and then has a mild climb up past the old IBM research center up into the hills on the other side of the valley. This soon hits a more or less flat road up on the hillside and then it is all rollers and then a fairly fast ride downhill. This is followed by a ride on the flats back to the start which usually has a pretty strong tailwind. There used to be a series of stoplights but thankfully the county changed that over to round-abouts so that you don't have to stop. There is rarely any traffic there so the lights were pretty silly in the first place. And half of them were usually broken with either non-bicycle detecting or lights out. Back at the start is a descent meal and I usually consume more calories than I have burned. The Tour de Fuzz is a better century in my opinion and is in the other direction from San Francisco.

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 2:30:51 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> In another week I'm riding the Tierra Bella century, well metric century. And for the last week I have been unable to train. The predictions right now are for rain at least until Monday but no rain has fallen yet. If it is descent weather on Tuesday I will probably do a metric for practice. But from the satellite photos it looks to me like it may rain right into the Tierra Bella. I can only hope it doesn't. Under training conditions like this I will change from the hilly metric to the flatter (not flat) metric and take advantage of all of the rest stops which I tended to ride past. The hilly metric is not hilly in my opinion. There is some light climbing after the start that soon comes down onto the flats and then has a mild climb up past the old IBM research center up into the hills on the other side of the valley. This soon hits a more or less flat road up on the hillside and then it is all rollers and then a fairly fast ride downhill. This is followed by a ride on the flats back to the start which usually has a pretty strong tailwind. There used to be a series of stoplights but thankfully the county changed that over to round-abouts so that you don't have to stop. There is rarely any traffic there so the lights were pretty silly in the first place. And half of them were usually broken with either non-bicycle detecting or lights out. Back at the start is a descent meal and I usually consume more calories than I have burned. The Tour de Fuzz is a better century in my opinion and is in the other direction from San Francisco.

I guess the topic of this paragraph is bicycles and bicycling. Not much technical though. But I have to ask, Tommy, why did you post this here? Are you lonely and need attention so you just wrote the first rambling thoughts that squirmed around in your head?

Also I am forced to point out your poor spelling, or in your case the misuse of words. In your writing above you wrote "descent weather" and "a descent meal". In both cases you mistakenly chose descent when you should have used the word "decent". You meant to say "decent weather" and "a decent meal". But incorrectly used the word "descent". Now this is one of those times where a spell checker will nt correct your mistakes. Because in this case both descent and decent are officially words. Descent means to go down, decline. Decent means OK, fair, average, acceptable. Tommy, repeatedly I have told you to proofread your writing before posting. If you had proofread your paragraph, you might have caught these errors before posting them..

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 12:30:51 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> In another week I'm riding the Tierra Bella century, well metric century. And for the last week I have been unable to train. The predictions right now are for rain at least until Monday but no rain has fallen yet. If it is descent weather on Tuesday I will probably do a metric for practice. But from the satellite photos it looks to me like it may rain right into the Tierra Bella. I can only hope it doesn't. Under training conditions like this I will change from the hilly metric to the flatter (not flat) metric and take advantage of all of the rest stops which I tended to ride past. The hilly metric is not hilly in my opinion. There is some light climbing after the start that soon comes down onto the flats and then has a mild climb up past the old IBM research center up into the hills on the other side of the valley. This soon hits a more or less flat road up on the hillside and then it is all rollers and then a fairly fast ride downhill. This is followed by a ride on the flats back to the start which usually has a pretty strong tailwind. There used to be a series of stoplights but thankfully the county changed that over to round-abouts so that you don't have to stop. There is rarely any traffic there so the lights were pretty silly in the first place. And half of them were usually broken with either non-bicycle detecting or lights out. Back at the start is a descent meal and I usually consume more calories than I have burned. The Tour de Fuzz is a better century in my opinion and is in the other direction from San Francisco.
So how much does it cost to ride one of these centuries? I am guessing upwards of $50.00. I absolutely refuse to pay that much money just to do a ride, and I think other riders agree with me since there seem to be relatively few centuries these days compared to the past.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 16:15:32 -0700 (PDT), William Crowell
<retroguybilly@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 12:30:51 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> In another week I'm riding the Tierra Bella century, well metric century. And for the last week I have been unable to train. The predictions right now are for rain at least until Monday but no rain has fallen yet. If it is descent weather on Tuesday I will probably do a metric for practice. But from the satellite photos it looks to me like it may rain right into the Tierra Bella. I can only hope it doesn't. Under training conditions like this I will change from the hilly metric to the flatter (not flat) metric and take advantage of all of the rest stops which I tended to ride past. The hilly metric is not hilly in my opinion. There is some light climbing after the start that soon comes down onto the flats and then has a mild climb up past the old IBM research center up into the hills on the other side of the valley. This soon hits a more or less flat road up on the hillside and then it is all rollers and then a fairly fast ride downhill. This is followed by a ride on the flats
back
>to the start which usually has a pretty strong tailwind. There used to be a series of stoplights but thankfully the county changed that over to round-abouts so that you don't have to stop. There is rarely any traffic there so the lights were pretty silly in the first place. And half of them were usually broken with either non-bicycle detecting or lights out. Back at the start is a descent meal and I usually consume more calories than I have burned. The Tour de Fuzz is a better century in my opinion and is in the other direction from San Francisco.
>So how much does it cost to ride one of these centuries? I am guessing upwards of $50.00. I absolutely refuse to pay that much money just to do a ride, and I think other riders agree with me since there seem to be relatively few centuries these days compared to the past.

He's talking about a 100 km = 60 mile ride. Can't you just get on the
bicycle and ride 60 miles? I used to ride 40 miles or 60 miles,
depending on the route, for my Sunday ride back when I was riding a
lot.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 4:15:34 PM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 12:30:51 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > In another week I'm riding the Tierra Bella century, well metric century. And for the last week I have been unable to train. The predictions right now are for rain at least until Monday but no rain has fallen yet. If it is descent weather on Tuesday I will probably do a metric for practice. But from the satellite photos it looks to me like it may rain right into the Tierra Bella. I can only hope it doesn't. Under training conditions like this I will change from the hilly metric to the flatter (not flat) metric and take advantage of all of the rest stops which I tended to ride past. The hilly metric is not hilly in my opinion. There is some light climbing after the start that soon comes down onto the flats and then has a mild climb up past the old IBM research center up into the hills on the other side of the valley. This soon hits a more or less flat road up on the hillside and then it is all rollers and then a fairly fast ride downhill. This is followed by a ride on the flats back to the start which usually has a pretty strong tailwind. There used to be a series of stoplights but thankfully the county changed that over to round-abouts so that you don't have to stop. There is rarely any traffic there so the lights were pretty silly in the first place. And half of them were usually broken with either non-bicycle detecting or lights out. Back at the start is a descent meal and I usually consume more calories than I have burned. The Tour de Fuzz is a better century in my opinion and is in the other direction from San Francisco.
> So how much does it cost to ride one of these centuries? I am guessing upwards of $50.00. I absolutely refuse to pay that much money just to do a ride, and I think other riders agree with me since there seem to be relatively few centuries these days compared to the past.
I believe that it was $80. For that you get a route laid out with colored arrows so that you don't have to continuously refer to a map or perhaps a Garmin route. You get rest stops along the way, you can chose or not to ride with people your own speed, and aside from the food at the rest areas, you have a meal at the end of the ride. The sort of cafes and restaurants I go to and the staggering inflation recently (8,5% last month alone) would put you in close to that cost anyway. So while that might sound expensive, when I went up to Reno, dinner for four of us was $400 including a bottle of extremely fine Cabernet.

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 4:26:49 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>
> He's talking about a 100 km = 60 mile ride. Can't you just get on the
> bicycle and ride 60 miles? I used to ride 40 miles or 60 miles,
> depending on the route, for my Sunday ride back when I was riding a
> lot.

FWIW, I ran our club's annual century for something like 8 years, back in the
early '90s. It's still an annual event, but much smaller (maybe 120 riders vs. over
600 in my biggest year). I think the fee is now $20.

To John's question: Certainly one can ride on one's own any day. But we put
hours and hours into choosing the most interesting route, the nicest roads,
setting up rest stops and a lunch stop that worked for all the routes (35, 50, 62
and 100 miles), marking the roads, arranging for food (including cookies baked
by club members), providing "sag" support and more. And I'll brag that one year,
the League of American Bicyclists gave awards to what they considered the top
three century rides in the U.S. We were one of the three!

The century is a big social event. People come quite a distance to ride it, and you
get to meet new friends and reconnect with old ones. It's a great time, well worth
the fee.

- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 10:36:56 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 4:26:49 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >
> > He's talking about a 100 km = 60 mile ride. Can't you just get on the
> > bicycle and ride 60 miles? I used to ride 40 miles or 60 miles,
> > depending on the route, for my Sunday ride back when I was riding a
> > lot.
> FWIW, I ran our club's annual century for something like 8 years, back in the
> early '90s. It's still an annual event, but much smaller (maybe 120 riders vs. over
> 600 in my biggest year). I think the fee is now $20.
>
> To John's question: Certainly one can ride on one's own any day.

Also in reference to John's question of why you can't just ride 60 miles yourself. Do you go out to eat? In a restaurant? Where people seat you at a table and take your order and serve you the food and then take away your dirty dishes? Who the H-LL do you think you are? The King of Sweden? Why don't you just eat at home and cook your own food? Or at worst, go to McDonalds and stand in line at the counter and pick up your own food when they call your number. And carry the food to the table yourself and put your trash in the garbage can when you are done eating. And get your own drink refills at the soda station.

Lot of parity between going out to eat at a fancy restaurant and going to an organized pay bike ride.

> But we put
> hours and hours into choosing the most interesting route, the nicest roads,
> setting up rest stops and a lunch stop that worked for all the routes (35, 50, 62
> and 100 miles), marking the roads, arranging for food (including cookies baked
> by club members), providing "sag" support and more. And I'll brag that one year,
> the League of American Bicyclists gave awards to what they considered the top
> three century rides in the U.S. We were one of the three!
>
> The century is a big social event. People come quite a distance to ride it, and you
> get to meet new friends and reconnect with old ones. It's a great time, well worth
> the fee.
>
> - Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 23:05:04 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 10:36:56 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 4:26:49 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >
>> > He's talking about a 100 km = 60 mile ride. Can't you just get on the
>> > bicycle and ride 60 miles? I used to ride 40 miles or 60 miles,
>> > depending on the route, for my Sunday ride back when I was riding a
>> > lot.
>> FWIW, I ran our club's annual century for something like 8 years, back in the
>> early '90s. It's still an annual event, but much smaller (maybe 120 riders vs. over
>> 600 in my biggest year). I think the fee is now $20.
>>
>> To John's question: Certainly one can ride on one's own any day.
>
>Also in reference to John's question of why you can't just ride 60 miles yourself. Do you go out to eat? In a restaurant? Where people seat you at a table and take your order and serve you the food and then take away your dirty dishes? Who the H-LL do you think you are? The King of Sweden? Why don't you just eat at home and cook your own food? Or at worst, go to McDonalds and stand in line at the counter and pick up your own food when they call your number. And carry the food to the table yourself and put your trash in the garbage can when you are done eating. And get your own drink refills at the soda station.
>
>Lot of parity between going out to eat at a fancy restaurant and going to an organized pay bike ride.
>

Nope. I guess we are antisocial as we "don't go out to eat, in the
sense of having a party. What we do is invite people to the house for
supper. Much more a personal function. Of course, it used to be
"drinks and a meal" but as we grew older we don't drink alcoholic
beverages any more and "Come on over for a glass of water and a meal"
just doesn't sound right.

As added ammunition I just asked my wife about "eating out" and she
thought about it for a bit and said, "Well, of course, if she can't
cook.
--
Cheers,

John B.

I agree: people spend a lot of money eating out because they're lazy, and/or they never learned to cook. Maybe they need to rise off their derrieres and take some cooking lessons.

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 5:23:48 PM UTC+2, William Crowell wrote:
> I agree: people spend a lot of money eating out because they're lazy, and/or they never learned to cook. Maybe they need to rise off their derrieres and take some cooking lessons.

Pff, people spend money on all kind of services because they don’t like to do it themselves. Cleaners, gardeners, pool man, hairdressers, house maintenance/improvement etc. Nothing wrong with that. Cooking is very low on my list that is for sure.

Lou

On 4/15/2022 2:28 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 23:05:04 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 10:36:56 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 4:26:49 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> He's talking about a 100 km = 60 mile ride. Can't you just get on the
>>>> bicycle and ride 60 miles? I used to ride 40 miles or 60 miles,
>>>> depending on the route, for my Sunday ride back when I was riding a
>>>> lot.
>>> FWIW, I ran our club's annual century for something like 8 years, back in the
>>> early '90s. It's still an annual event, but much smaller (maybe 120 riders vs. over
>>> 600 in my biggest year). I think the fee is now $20.
>>>
>>> To John's question: Certainly one can ride on one's own any day.
>>
>> Also in reference to John's question of why you can't just ride 60 miles yourself. Do you go out to eat? In a restaurant? Where people seat you at a table and take your order and serve you the food and then take away your dirty dishes? Who the H-LL do you think you are? The King of Sweden? Why don't you just eat at home and cook your own food? Or at worst, go to McDonalds and stand in line at the counter and pick up your own food when they call your number. And carry the food to the table yourself and put your trash in the garbage can when you are done eating. And get your own drink refills at the soda station.
>>
>> Lot of parity between going out to eat at a fancy restaurant and going to an organized pay bike ride.
>>
>
> Nope. I guess we are antisocial as we "don't go out to eat, in the
> sense of having a party. What we do is invite people to the house for
> supper. Much more a personal function.

OK, to use that analogy:

A solo bike ride can be very nice. It's like making yourself lunch and
eating alone.

A ride with a few friends can be even nicer. It's like inviting folks to
a picnic in a park.

A large invitational bike ride can be very nice too. It's a more epic
event, perhaps like attending a street fair or some celebration like
Mardi Gras.

All have their place, all have people who prefer them.

I've enjoyed "invitational rides" (centuries, etc.) for the opportunity
to ride curated routes in new areas, and I've enjoyed meeting new people
and examining other bikes, especially unusual ones. The latter was
especially true when I was new to cycling and living in a tiny town with
almost no other cyclists. We made some great friends at such events over
the years.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 11:23:48 AM UTC-4, William Crowell wrote:
> I agree: people spend a lot of money eating out because they're lazy, and/or they never learned to cook. Maybe they need to rise off their derrieres and take some cooking lessons.

Where as others simply enjoy trying different types and styles of foods prepared by professionals, paired with a variety of wines/beers more diverse than exists in my cooler. then there's the whole social atmosphere of meeting friends out and catching entertainment.

Very similar to having someone organize a ride with services and possible entertainment at the end, where you ride with people you know and enjoy. This is one of my favorites:
https://www.nemba.org/events/wicked-ride-east-0
Organized 20 mile loop with aid stations, after party with Two BBQ vendors, two craft brewers, two live bands, Proceeds to benefit trail maintenance in the park. It's been held annually for almost 20 years.

It was a spectacular ride last fall.
https://www.strava.com/activities/6226181312/segments/2892488530170768440

On 4/15/2022 10:23 AM, William Crowell wrote:
> I agree: people spend a lot of money eating out because they're lazy, and/or they never learned to cook. Maybe they need to rise off their derrieres and take some cooking lessons.
>

Many ways to analyze that.
Many people vary in their opinions.
And vary their opinions from day to day as well.

F'rexample, I can drop into a smallish mostly to-go pizza
joint, enjoy a freshly made caprese salad and warm bread and
be on my way in twenty minutes.

Buying materials to make a caprese salad for one is daunting
unless one plans to eat the same thing for a few days in a
row or waste a lot of it. And prep/washing up time may be
more a factor for some than others.

I also occasionally stop at an out of the way burrito joint
near the FedEx dropoff for a rice and beans burrito. (I like
their sauces/spices). I'm perfectly competent to soak bans
overnight, cook them, refry them and make a pot of rice etc.
But tortillas are not sold 'each' anywhere I know (8-pack or
10-pack) and the whole process for 4~6 ounces of beans and
an equal amount of rice is not optimal. Oh, and just try to
buy 30 grams of fresh cilantro.

It's not always about money or saving the earth or
impressing one's date or indolence or substandard skill set.
People are different, which is good, so they want different
things at different times for different reasons. Or no reason.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 10:11:30 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/15/2022 10:23 AM, William Crowell wrote:
> > I agree: people spend a lot of money eating out because they're lazy, and/or they never learned to cook. Maybe they need to rise off their derrieres and take some cooking lessons.
> >
> Many ways to analyze that.
> Many people vary in their opinions.
> And vary their opinions from day to day as well.
>
> F'rexample, I can drop into a smallish mostly to-go pizza
> joint, enjoy a freshly made caprese salad and warm bread and
> be on my way in twenty minutes.
>
> Buying materials to make a caprese salad for one is daunting
> unless one plans to eat the same thing for a few days in a
> row or waste a lot of it. And prep/washing up time may be
> more a factor for some than others.
>
> I also occasionally stop at an out of the way burrito joint
> near the FedEx dropoff for a rice and beans burrito. (I like
> their sauces/spices). I'm perfectly competent to soak bans
> overnight, cook them, refry them and make a pot of rice etc.
> But tortillas are not sold 'each' anywhere I know (8-pack or
> 10-pack) and the whole process for 4~6 ounces of beans and
> an equal amount of rice is not optimal. Oh, and just try to
> buy 30 grams of fresh cilantro.
>
> It's not always about money or saving the earth or
> impressing one's date or indolence or substandard skill set.
> People are different, which is good, so they want different
> things at different times for different reasons. Or no reason.

Friday is Pizza night and I'm sure as hell not going to go to a Mountain Mikes and pay $30 for a pizza so I buy a frozen pizza and cook it in my own oven. Does "learning how to cook" include the experimentation of learning what the actual temperature and time it requires to cook it just the way I like it? My wife can cook a meal with "whatever is in the "refrigerator" but I'm more a planning a complex dinner type. She dirties every dish in the house whereas when I'm done the kitchen is almost clean,.

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 10:11:30 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/15/2022 10:23 AM, William Crowell wrote:
> > I agree: people spend a lot of money eating out because they're lazy, and/or they never learned to cook. Maybe they need to rise off their derrieres and take some cooking lessons.
> >
> Many ways to analyze that.
> Many people vary in their opinions.
> And vary their opinions from day to day as well.
>
> F'rexample, I can drop into a smallish mostly to-go pizza
> joint, enjoy a freshly made caprese salad and warm bread and
> be on my way in twenty minutes.
>
> Buying materials to make a caprese salad for one is daunting
> unless one plans to eat the same thing for a few days in a
> row or waste a lot of it. And prep/washing up time may be
> more a factor for some than others.
>
> I also occasionally stop at an out of the way burrito joint
> near the FedEx dropoff for a rice and beans burrito. (I like
> their sauces/spices). I'm perfectly competent to soak bans
> overnight, cook them, refry them and make a pot of rice etc.
> But tortillas are not sold 'each' anywhere I know (8-pack or
> 10-pack) and the whole process for 4~6 ounces of beans and
> an equal amount of rice is not optimal. Oh, and just try to
> buy 30 grams of fresh cilantro.
>
> It's not always about money or saving the earth or
> impressing one's date or indolence or substandard skill set.
> People are different, which is good, so they want different
> things at different times for different reasons. Or no reason.

And around here if you value your health you don't stop at an "out of the way burrito joint" Though the food trucks are generally pretty good.

On 4/15/2022 1:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 10:11:30 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 4/15/2022 10:23 AM, William Crowell wrote:
>>> I agree: people spend a lot of money eating out because they're lazy, and/or they never learned to cook. Maybe they need to rise off their derrieres and take some cooking lessons.
>>>
>> Many ways to analyze that.
>> Many people vary in their opinions.
>> And vary their opinions from day to day as well.
>>
>> F'rexample, I can drop into a smallish mostly to-go pizza
>> joint, enjoy a freshly made caprese salad and warm bread and
>> be on my way in twenty minutes.
>>
>> Buying materials to make a caprese salad for one is daunting
>> unless one plans to eat the same thing for a few days in a
>> row or waste a lot of it. And prep/washing up time may be
>> more a factor for some than others.
>>
>> I also occasionally stop at an out of the way burrito joint
>> near the FedEx dropoff for a rice and beans burrito. (I like
>> their sauces/spices). I'm perfectly competent to soak bans
>> overnight, cook them, refry them and make a pot of rice etc.
>> But tortillas are not sold 'each' anywhere I know (8-pack or
>> 10-pack) and the whole process for 4~6 ounces of beans and
>> an equal amount of rice is not optimal. Oh, and just try to
>> buy 30 grams of fresh cilantro.
>>
>> It's not always about money or saving the earth or
>> impressing one's date or indolence or substandard skill set.
>> People are different, which is good, so they want different
>> things at different times for different reasons. Or no reason.
>
> And around here if you value your health you don't stop at an "out of the way burrito joint" Though the food trucks are generally pretty good.
>

None of the Spanish speaking truck drivers, welders,
laborers who eat there look unhealthy. Far from it.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 12:11:25 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/15/2022 10:23 AM, William Crowell wrote:
>> I agree: people spend a lot of money eating out because they're lazy, and/or they never learned to cook. Maybe they need to rise off their derrieres and take some cooking lessons.
>>
>
>Many ways to analyze that.
>Many people vary in their opinions.
>And vary their opinions from day to day as well.
>
>F'rexample, I can drop into a smallish mostly to-go pizza
>joint, enjoy a freshly made caprese salad and warm bread and
>be on my way in twenty minutes.
>
>Buying materials to make a caprese salad for one is daunting
>unless one plans to eat the same thing for a few days in a
>row or waste a lot of it. And prep/washing up time may be
>more a factor for some than others.
>
>I also occasionally stop at an out of the way burrito joint
>near the FedEx dropoff for a rice and beans burrito. (I like
>their sauces/spices). I'm perfectly competent to soak bans
>overnight, cook them, refry them and make a pot of rice etc.
>But tortillas are not sold 'each' anywhere I know (8-pack or
>10-pack) and the whole process for 4~6 ounces of beans and
>an equal amount of rice is not optimal. Oh, and just try to
>buy 30 grams of fresh cilantro.
>
>It's not always about money or saving the earth or
>impressing one's date or indolence or substandard skill set.
>People are different, which is good, so they want different
>things at different times for different reasons. Or no reason.

I suppose it is how you define "eating out". If it is just eating,
"not at home" then grabbing a bite, on the run so to speak, certainly
does qualify, but if it means getting all "gussied up" in your "best
bib and tucker", and taking another group "out to eat" then I'm not
sure that a slice from the Pizza Wagon qualifies.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 4/15/2022 6:03 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 12:11:25 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/15/2022 10:23 AM, William Crowell wrote:
>>> I agree: people spend a lot of money eating out because they're lazy, and/or they never learned to cook. Maybe they need to rise off their derrieres and take some cooking lessons.
>>>
>>
>> Many ways to analyze that.
>> Many people vary in their opinions.
>> And vary their opinions from day to day as well.
>>
>> F'rexample, I can drop into a smallish mostly to-go pizza
>> joint, enjoy a freshly made caprese salad and warm bread and
>> be on my way in twenty minutes.
>>
>> Buying materials to make a caprese salad for one is daunting
>> unless one plans to eat the same thing for a few days in a
>> row or waste a lot of it. And prep/washing up time may be
>> more a factor for some than others.
>>
>> I also occasionally stop at an out of the way burrito joint
>> near the FedEx dropoff for a rice and beans burrito. (I like
>> their sauces/spices). I'm perfectly competent to soak bans
>> overnight, cook them, refry them and make a pot of rice etc.
>> But tortillas are not sold 'each' anywhere I know (8-pack or
>> 10-pack) and the whole process for 4~6 ounces of beans and
>> an equal amount of rice is not optimal. Oh, and just try to
>> buy 30 grams of fresh cilantro.
>>
>> It's not always about money or saving the earth or
>> impressing one's date or indolence or substandard skill set.
>> People are different, which is good, so they want different
>> things at different times for different reasons. Or no reason.
>
> I suppose it is how you define "eating out". If it is just eating,
> "not at home" then grabbing a bite, on the run so to speak, certainly
> does qualify, but if it means getting all "gussied up" in your "best
> bib and tucker", and taking another group "out to eat" then I'm not
> sure that a slice from the Pizza Wagon qualifies.
>

That's a slightly different subject. I go out to full
service (tablecloth and a wine list) restaurants when
girlfriend says she wants to. Simple system.

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Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 19:26:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/15/2022 6:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 12:11:25 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/15/2022 10:23 AM, William Crowell wrote:
>>>> I agree: people spend a lot of money eating out because they're lazy, and/or they never learned to cook. Maybe they need to rise off their derrieres and take some cooking lessons.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Many ways to analyze that.
>>> Many people vary in their opinions.
>>> And vary their opinions from day to day as well.
>>>
>>> F'rexample, I can drop into a smallish mostly to-go pizza
>>> joint, enjoy a freshly made caprese salad and warm bread and
>>> be on my way in twenty minutes.
>>>
>>> Buying materials to make a caprese salad for one is daunting
>>> unless one plans to eat the same thing for a few days in a
>>> row or waste a lot of it. And prep/washing up time may be
>>> more a factor for some than others.
>>>
>>> I also occasionally stop at an out of the way burrito joint
>>> near the FedEx dropoff for a rice and beans burrito. (I like
>>> their sauces/spices). I'm perfectly competent to soak bans
>>> overnight, cook them, refry them and make a pot of rice etc.
>>> But tortillas are not sold 'each' anywhere I know (8-pack or
>>> 10-pack) and the whole process for 4~6 ounces of beans and
>>> an equal amount of rice is not optimal. Oh, and just try to
>>> buy 30 grams of fresh cilantro.
>>>
>>> It's not always about money or saving the earth or
>>> impressing one's date or indolence or substandard skill set.
>>> People are different, which is good, so they want different
>>> things at different times for different reasons. Or no reason.
>>
>> I suppose it is how you define "eating out". If it is just eating,
>> "not at home" then grabbing a bite, on the run so to speak, certainly
>> does qualify, but if it means getting all "gussied up" in your "best
>> bib and tucker", and taking another group "out to eat" then I'm not
>> sure that a slice from the Pizza Wagon qualifies.
>>
>
>That's a slightly different subject. I go out to full
>service (tablecloth and a wine list) restaurants when
>girlfriend says she wants to. Simple system.

Yes, there is that. The dictator who is soft and smells good (:-)

Or perhaps, "The Weaker Sex". Who wind the big brawny he man right
round their little finger (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 12:54:36 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/15/2022 1:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 10:11:30 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 4/15/2022 10:23 AM, William Crowell wrote:
> >>> I agree: people spend a lot of money eating out because they're lazy, and/or they never learned to cook. Maybe they need to rise off their derrieres and take some cooking lessons.
> >>>
> >> Many ways to analyze that.
> >> Many people vary in their opinions.
> >> And vary their opinions from day to day as well.
> >>
> >> F'rexample, I can drop into a smallish mostly to-go pizza
> >> joint, enjoy a freshly made caprese salad and warm bread and
> >> be on my way in twenty minutes.
> >>
> >> Buying materials to make a caprese salad for one is daunting
> >> unless one plans to eat the same thing for a few days in a
> >> row or waste a lot of it. And prep/washing up time may be
> >> more a factor for some than others.
> >>
> >> I also occasionally stop at an out of the way burrito joint
> >> near the FedEx dropoff for a rice and beans burrito. (I like
> >> their sauces/spices). I'm perfectly competent to soak bans
> >> overnight, cook them, refry them and make a pot of rice etc.
> >> But tortillas are not sold 'each' anywhere I know (8-pack or
> >> 10-pack) and the whole process for 4~6 ounces of beans and
> >> an equal amount of rice is not optimal. Oh, and just try to
> >> buy 30 grams of fresh cilantro.
> >>
> >> It's not always about money or saving the earth or
> >> impressing one's date or indolence or substandard skill set.
> >> People are different, which is good, so they want different
> >> things at different times for different reasons. Or no reason.
> >
> > And around here if you value your health you don't stop at an "out of the way burrito joint" Though the food trucks are generally pretty good.
> >
> None of the Spanish speaking truck drivers, welders,
> laborers who eat there look unhealthy. Far from it.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Mexican (rather Hispanic) food. But there are a hell of a lot of unhealthy places dispensing it.

That's a slightly different subject. I go out to full service (tablecloth and a wine list) restaurants when girlfriend says she wants to. Simple system.

Wow, too bad that a man of your age has to do what a woman tells him to do. It's never too late to grow a set of balls and do what you want to do, you know.

William Crowell <retroguybilly@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's a slightly different subject. I go out to full service (tablecloth
> and a wine list) restaurants when girlfriend says she wants to. Simple system.
>
> Wow, too bad that a man of your age has to do what a woman tells him to
> do. It's never too late to grow a set of balls and do what you want to do, you know.
>

Ya know, Bill. It’s never too late to learn to compromise a bit and have a
meaningful relationship with a woman :-)

On 4/16/2022 10:12 AM, William Crowell wrote:
> That's a slightly different subject. I go out to full service (tablecloth and a wine list) restaurants when girlfriend says she wants to. Simple system.
>
> Wow, too bad that a man of your age has to do what a woman tells him to do. It's never too late to grow a set of balls and do what you want to do, you know.
>

Uh, you're leaving off the other side of that equation.

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Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/16/2022 10:22 AM, Ralph Barone wrote:
> William Crowell <retroguybilly@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's a slightly different subject. I go out to full service (tablecloth
>> and a wine list) restaurants when girlfriend says she wants to. Simple system.
>>
>> Wow, too bad that a man of your age has to do what a woman tells him to
>> do. It's never too late to grow a set of balls and do what you want to do, you know.
>>
>
> Ya know, Bill. It’s never too late to learn to compromise a bit and have a
> meaningful relationship with a woman :-)
>

Well that's just crazy talk.
OTOH a functional accomodation is very attainable.

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Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/16/2022 11:22 AM, Ralph Barone wrote:
> William Crowell <retroguybilly@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's a slightly different subject. I go out to full service (tablecloth
>> and a wine list) restaurants when girlfriend says she wants to. Simple system.
>>
>> Wow, too bad that a man of your age has to do what a woman tells him to
>> do. It's never too late to grow a set of balls and do what you want to do, you know.
>>
>
> Ya know, Bill. It’s never too late to learn to compromise a bit and have a
> meaningful relationship with a woman :-)
>

It might be too late for some!

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- Frank Krygowski