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* OT: Low Profile OutletBob La Londe
+* Re: OT: Low Profile OutletJim Wilkins
|+- Re: OT: Low Profile OutletLeon Fisk
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|`* Re: OT: Low Profile Outletwhit3rd
| `- Re: Low Profile OutletJim Wilkins
`- Re: OT: Low Profile OutletBob Engelhardt

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 by: Bob La Londe - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 18:45 UTC

~~~~~|_____| >~~~

Wire...Box... 120v-Plug

I could have sworn I saw something like that once, but for the life of
me I can't find it.

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Sun, 16 Jan 2022 12:55 UTC

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:srv4o0$2lq$2@dont-email.me...

~~~~~|_____| >~~~

Wire...Box... 120v-Plug

I could have sworn I saw something like that once, but for the life of
me I can't find it.

-------------------

There are Low Voltage junction boxes about half the depth of 120V AC boxes.
They are deep enough for barrier strips and these:
https://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Connectivity/Keystone-Wallplate-Inserts
but not NEMA 5-15 receptacles, the common 120VAC wall outlet.

I haven't seen an outlet strip with cords at both ends, and can't suggest
making something that might not be legal.

Re: OT: Low Profile Outlet

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 by: Leon Fisk - Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:22 UTC

On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 07:55:04 -0500
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:srv4o0$2lq$2@dont-email.me...
>
>~~~~~|_____| >~~~
>
>Wire...Box... 120v-Plug
>
>I could have sworn I saw something like that once, but for the life of
>me I can't find it.
>
>-------------------
>
>There are Low Voltage junction boxes about half the depth of 120V AC boxes.
>They are deep enough for barrier strips and these:
>https://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Connectivity/Keystone-Wallplate-Inserts
>but not NEMA 5-15 receptacles, the common 120VAC wall outlet.
>
>I haven't seen an outlet strip with cords at both ends, and can't suggest
>making something that might not be legal.
>

I wasn't sure what he wanted. A low profile box or an outlet <shrug>

You can get surface mount Duplex Outlets:

https://www.menards.com/main/electrical/light-switches-dimmers-outlets/electrical-outlets/eaton-surface-mount-receptacle-brown/542b-box/p-1444427451976-c-9526.htm

These are about the shallowest boxes I've seen:

https://www.menards.com/main/electrical/electrical-boxes-covers/electrical-boxes/legrand-reg-slater-reg-1-gang-8-cu-in-pvc-shallow-electrical-switch-outlet-box/p108w/p-1444451200706-c-6425.htm

https://www.menards.com/main/electrical/electrical-boxes-covers/electrical-boxes/raco-2-galvanized-steel-electrical-switch-outlet-box/405/p-1444451777335-c-6425.htm

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 by: Bob La Londe - Sun, 16 Jan 2022 16:33 UTC

On 1/16/2022 5:55 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:srv4o0$2lq$2@dont-email.me...
>
> ~~~~~|_____| >~~~
>
> Wire...Box... 120v-Plug
>
> I could have sworn I saw something like that once, but for the life of
> me I can't find it.
>
> -------------------
>
> There are Low Voltage junction boxes about half the depth of 120V AC
> boxes. They are deep enough for barrier strips and these:
> https://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Connectivity/Keystone-Wallplate-Inserts
>
> but not NEMA 5-15 receptacles, the common 120VAC wall outlet.
>
> I haven't seen an outlet strip with cords at both ends, and can't
> suggest making something that might not be legal.
>

Yeah I am very familiar with low voltage equipment like that I held an
L67 and C12 (combined later) license for 23 years until I retired from
contracting.

I am looking for a low profile box/outlet with receptacle on the small
side. There are some older surface mount bakelite receptacles, but I am
not a fan of bakelite.

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Sun, 16 Jan 2022 17:36 UTC

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:ss1hca$14r0$1@gioia.aioe.org...

On 1/16/2022 5:55 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:srv4o0$2lq$2@dont-email.me...
>
> ~~~~~|_____| >~~~
>
> Wire...Box... 120v-Plug
>
> I could have sworn I saw something like that once, but for the life of
> me I can't find it.
>
> -------------------
>
> There are Low Voltage junction boxes about half the depth of 120V AC
> boxes. They are deep enough for barrier strips and these:
> https://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Connectivity/Keystone-Wallplate-Inserts
> but not NEMA 5-15 receptacles, the common 120VAC wall outlet.
>
> I haven't seen an outlet strip with cords at both ends, and can't suggest
> making something that might not be legal.
>

Yeah I am very familiar with low voltage equipment like that I held an
L67 and C12 (combined later) license for 23 years until I retired from
contracting.

I am looking for a low profile box/outlet with receptacle on the small
side. There are some older surface mount bakelite receptacles, but I am
not a fan of bakelite.

-----------------------
I've installed snap-in outlets in tight spaces in custom equipment, like
oven controllers.
https://www.amazon.com/Wire-Snap-Convenience-Outlet-15Amps/dp/B01DWPLHV0
The right-angled pigtail leads don't increase the required box depth and you
can install them in your choice of plastic or metal container, or shear,
punch and fold your own as I often do. A safe-edge file squares the corners
of a milled cutout neatly.

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 by: Bob La Londe - Sun, 16 Jan 2022 20:43 UTC

On 1/16/2022 10:36 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:ss1hca$14r0$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>
> On 1/16/2022 5:55 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:srv4o0$2lq$2@dont-email.me...
>>
>> ~~~~~|_____| >~~~
>>
>> Wire...Box... 120v-Plug
>>
>> I could have sworn I saw something like that once, but for the life of
>> me I can't find it.
>>
>> -------------------
>>
>> There are Low Voltage junction boxes about half the depth of 120V AC
>> boxes. They are deep enough for barrier strips and these:
>> https://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Connectivity/Keystone-Wallplate-Inserts
>>
>> but not NEMA 5-15 receptacles, the common 120VAC wall outlet.
>>
>> I haven't seen an outlet strip with cords at both ends, and can't
>> suggest making something that might not be legal.
>>
>
> Yeah I am very familiar with low voltage equipment like that I held an
> L67 and C12 (combined later) license for 23 years until I retired from
> contracting.
>
> I am looking for a low profile box/outlet with receptacle on the small
> side.  There are some older surface mount bakelite receptacles, but I am
> not a fan of bakelite.
>
> -----------------------
> I've installed snap-in outlets in tight spaces in custom equipment, like
> oven controllers.
> https://www.amazon.com/Wire-Snap-Convenience-Outlet-15Amps/dp/B01DWPLHV0
> The right-angled pigtail leads don't increase the required box depth and
> you can install them in your choice of plastic or metal container, or
> shear, punch and fold your own as I often do. A safe-edge file squares
> the corners of a milled cutout neatly.
>

I am about resigned to making something custom using an outlet like that
at this point. I had hoped to find a ready made solution as I'm just so
darn busy in the shop, but ultimately I answer to SWMBO even before
customers.

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 by: whit3rd - Sun, 16 Jan 2022 20:50 UTC

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:55:44 AM UTC-8, Jim Wilkins wrote:

> I haven't seen an outlet strip with cords at both ends, and can't suggest
> making something that might not be legal.

Oh, Wiremold makes those; steel channel with outlets every
six inches, ready to take house wiring or a cord.

<https://www.legrand.us/wire-and-cable-management/raceway-and-cord-covers/plugmold-systems/wiremold-20gb306tr-tamper-resistant-plugmold-multioutlet-system-in-white/p/wh20gb306tr>

I screwed six feet of it to the wall and made it a branch circuit, so there's ONE place in the house
where the bevy of trickle chargers can live.

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https://www.lowes.com/pd/Wiremold-700-Series-1-Piece-White-Raceway-Electrical-Box/3277047

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Mon, 17 Jan 2022 13:35 UTC

"whit3rd" wrote in message
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On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:55:44 AM UTC-8, Jim Wilkins wrote:

> I haven't seen an outlet strip with cords at both ends, and can't suggest
> making something that might not be legal.

Oh, Wiremold makes those; steel channel with outlets every
six inches, ready to take house wiring or a cord.

<https://www.legrand.us/wire-and-cable-management/raceway-and-cord-covers/plugmold-systems/wiremold-20gb306tr-tamper-resistant-plugmold-multioutlet-system-in-white/p/wh20gb306tr>

I screwed six feet of it to the wall and made it a branch circuit, so
there's ONE place in the house
where the bevy of trickle chargers can live.

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We had those on the front edge of the upper shelf on electronics lab
benches. They are very convenient for equipment on the upper shelf but not
so good for stuff on the bench top because the dangling cords get in the
way. For that I prefer an outlet strip tucked behind the gear.

My kitchen solution, which also isn't what was apparently asked for, is a 6
outlet strip with magnets added to the back, stuck high on the stove side of
the refrigerator. Being me, I added a GFCI and a remote volt/amp/wattmeter
display to it to imitate this at a fraction of the price:
https://www.amazon.com/P3-P4330-Kill-Surge-Protector/dp/B004OG94VW

It normally plugs into the single stove top outlet, or into the inverter
when running from batteries and solar power, thus the wattmeter to monitor
voltage, current and watt hour consumption from the batteries.

The 7 outlet USB3 hub attached under the top shelf on my computer desk
doubles as a charging station. An AT35 USB3 wattmeter shows if the device is
actually properly connected and charging, and how many mAh it accepted from
empty to fully charged, a good measure of battery condition.

I added external Anderson connectors to a little 30V 5A USB2 wattmeter so it
can show the charging of a 12V battery, or fast charge a hungry USB device
from a lab power supply. Anderson PP45s are a good choice for battery power
which can flow in either direction because they genderless and dead-front
safe from shorting when unplugged.
https://www.usbgear.com/usb3-info.html

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