he Global Electric Vehicle Fast Charging System Market is projected to reach USD 2.30 billion in 2027.
Visit us@ https://www.emergenresearch.com/industry-report/electric-vehicle-fast-charging-system-market

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:55:46 AM UTC-7, purushottam gaurav wrote:
> he Global Electric Vehicle Fast Charging System Market is projected to reach USD 2.30 billion in 2027.
> Visit us@ https://www.emergenresearch.com/industry-report/electric-vehicle-fast-charging-system-market

Sorry, but with Elon Musk buying twitter one of the means of hiding the inefficiency of electric vehicles will be lost. Also Trump's "Truth" social media site and Rumble and Parler. The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern internal combustion machines. Of course this isn't to say that there isn't a place for them since in the generation of CO2 and other particulates are then placed far out of highly urban areas reducing smog to a minimum where once you couldn't see a mile.

But the pretense that electric vehicle will solve the world's problems is a lie. And what's more CO2 cannot cause "man-made climate change" And both NOAA and NASA have lied consistently about this as ordered to by the communist masters like whoever is operating the sock puppet Biden.

While in the ionosphere CO2 does release energy via radiation, in the lower atmosphere where weather is propagated, the energy that reaches the ground is communicated through the lower levels via conduction and all atmospheric gases have almost identical conduction characteristics. So CO2 does not and cannot cause any climate change.

On 4/27/2022 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern internal combustion machines.

Ah, good! Yet another topic on which Tom Kunich knows much more than,
and disagrees with, every competent scientist and engineer working in
that field!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 7:26:05 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:55:46 AM UTC-7, purushottam gaurav wrote:
> > he Global Electric Vehicle Fast Charging System Market is projected to reach USD 2.30 billion in 2027.
> > Visit us@ https://www.emergenresearch.com/industry-report/electric-vehicle-fast-charging-system-market
> Sorry, but with Elon Musk buying twitter one of the means of hiding the inefficiency of electric vehicles will be lost. Also Trump's "Truth" social media site and Rumble and Parler. The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern internal combustion machines. Of course this isn't to say that there isn't a place for them since in the generation of CO2 and other particulates are then placed far out of highly urban areas reducing smog to a minimum where once you couldn't see a mile.
>
> But the pretense that electric vehicle will solve the world's problems is a lie. And what's more CO2 cannot cause "man-made climate change" And both NOAA and NASA have lied consistently about this as ordered to by the communist masters like whoever is operating the sock puppet Biden.
>
> While in the ionosphere CO2 does release energy via radiation, in the lower atmosphere where weather is propagated, the energy that reaches the ground is communicated through the lower levels via conduction and all atmospheric gases have almost identical conduction characteristics. So CO2 does not and cannot cause any climate change.

I am told that Frank has claimed that every "competent scientist in the world" agrees that EV's have less emissions than a normal internal combustion engine. Of COURSE he can say that since that is the stance of Google who doesn't allow the message from actual competent scientists to get out. And Franks is so stupid he still believes "Fact Check". People don't know just how they have been manipulated by the communists in the form of the ruling class and the Democrats funded almost exclusively by the ruling class. Were it up to the Democrats slavery would return overnight.

On 4/27/2022 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> I am told that Frank has claimed that every "competent scientist in the world" agrees that EV's have less emissions than a normal internal combustion engine.

No, Tom, you're not "told" that. That's a false claim for two reasons.
The first and most important is that I did not say that. I said
something different. Yet again, you're arguing against what you wish I
said, not what I actually said. Straw man arguments are a sign of weakness.

The second reason your claim is false is that nobody has "told" you I
said that. You _read_ that I said that, despite pretending to "block" me
using a Usenet reader with no blocking capability. Give up the pretense.
It's not working.

You're behaving like a low achieving fifth grader. Please, develop some
capacity for embarrassment. It may eventually make you appear less of a
fool.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 8:57:17 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 7:26:05 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:55:46 AM UTC-7, purushottam gaurav wrote:
> > > he Global Electric Vehicle Fast Charging System Market is projected to reach USD 2.30 billion in 2027.
> > > Visit us@ https://www.emergenresearch.com/industry-report/electric-vehicle-fast-charging-system-market
> > Sorry, but with Elon Musk buying twitter one of the means of hiding the inefficiency of electric vehicles will be lost. Also Trump's "Truth" social media site and Rumble and Parler. The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern internal combustion machines. Of course this isn't to say that there isn't a place for them since in the generation of CO2 and other particulates are then placed far out of highly urban areas reducing smog to a minimum where once you couldn't see a mile.
> >
> > But the pretense that electric vehicle will solve the world's problems is a lie. And what's more CO2 cannot cause "man-made climate change" And both NOAA and NASA have lied consistently about this as ordered to by the communist masters like whoever is operating the sock puppet Biden.
> >
> > While in the ionosphere CO2 does release energy via radiation, in the lower atmosphere where weather is propagated, the energy that reaches the ground is communicated through the lower levels via conduction and all atmospheric gases have almost identical conduction characteristics. So CO2 does not and cannot cause any climate change.
> I am told that Frank has claimed that every "competent scientist in the world" agrees that EV's have less emissions than a normal internal combustion engine. Of COURSE he can say that since that is the stance of Google who doesn't allow the message from actual competent scientists to get out. And Franks is so stupid he still believes "Fact Check". People don't know just how they have been manipulated by the communists in the form of the ruling class and the Democrats funded almost exclusively by the ruling class. Were it up to the Democrats slavery would return overnight.
I was given your direct quote Frank. Why do you insist on lying about your actual statement. Some people here do not like your continued claims that I am misquoting you when you have said almost precisely what you claim not to have said.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:05:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 4/27/2022 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern internal combustion machines.
>
>Ah, good! Yet another topic on which Tom Kunich knows much more than,
>and disagrees with, every competent scientist and engineer working in
>that field!

(:-)
Years and years ago I read an article about electric cars. It
specified the smallest electric car that would be acceptable as
something about the size of a Volkswagen Bug with a range of about 60
miles.

The article went on to discuss battery technology, as known then, amps
and volts, and a number of other features, but the last sentence in
the article stated that: "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
there isn't sufficient electricity being generated in California to
charge them."
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 07:26:03 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:55:46 AM UTC-7, purushottam gaurav wrote:
>> he Global Electric Vehicle Fast Charging System Market is projected to reach USD 2.30 billion in 2027.
>> Visit us@ https://www.emergenresearch.com/industry-report/electric-vehicle-fast-charging-system-market
>
>Sorry, but with Elon Musk buying twitter one of the means of hiding the inefficiency of electric vehicles will be lost. Also Trump's "Truth" social media site and Rumble and Parler. The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern internal combustion machines. Of course this isn't to say that there isn't a place for them since in the generation of CO2 and other particulates are then placed far out of highly urban areas reducing smog to a minimum where once you couldn't see a mile.
>
>But the pretense that electric vehicle will solve the world's problems is a lie. And what's more CO2 cannot cause "man-made climate change" And both NOAA and NASA have lied consistently about this as ordered to by the communist masters like whoever is operating the sock puppet Biden.
>
>While in the ionosphere CO2 does release energy via radiation, in the lower atmosphere where weather is propagated, the energy that reaches the ground is communicated through the lower levels via conduction and all atmospheric gases have almost identical conduction characteristics. So CO2 does not and cannot cause any climate change.

"CO2 does release energy via radiation"???

Really? Goodness, then all we have to do is somehow capture all then
energy being radiated by all that CO2 and Bob's your Uncle! We can
power everything there is in the world. And the more CO2 being
generated the more energy there will be.

Happy Days!Tommy has just solved one of the world's greatest problems.
No need for Atomic Energy just capture that CO2.

Or to paraphrase the song, "The biggest fool to hit the Internet...
and all he has to do is act naturally".
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 4/27/2022 3:44 PM, John B. wrote:

<snip>

> Years and years ago I read an article about electric cars. It
> specified the smallest electric car that would be acceptable as
> something about the size of a Volkswagen Bug with a range of about 60
> miles.
>
> The article went on to discuss battery technology, as known then, amps
> and volts, and a number of other features, but the last sentence in
> the article stated that: "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
> Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
> there isn't sufficient electricity being generated in California to
> charge them."

Fortunately that's no longer true. Well maybe it's true at 5:00 p.m.,
but not overnight when most people are actually charging their vehicles.
The electricity is also less expensive at night because there is so much
excess generating capacity.

The advantages of electric vehicles these days is that the fuel is much
less expensive than petroleum-based fuels and the amount of CO2 that
they generate is far less, even when the electricity is being generated
with fossil fuels.

On 4/27/2022 4:02 PM, John B. wrote:

<snip>

> Happy Days!Tommy has just solved one of the world's greatest problems.
> No need for Atomic Energy just capture that CO2.
>
> Or to paraphrase the song, "The biggest fool to hit the Internet...
> and all he has to do is act naturally".

Is there any subject in the world that he is not woefully misinformed on?

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:22:13 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> On 4/27/2022 3:44 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Years and years ago I read an article about electric cars. It
> > specified the smallest electric car that would be acceptable as
> > something about the size of a Volkswagen Bug with a range of about 60
> > miles.
> >
> > The article went on to discuss battery technology, as known then, amps
> > and volts, and a number of other features, but the last sentence in
> > the article stated that: "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
> > Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
> > there isn't sufficient electricity being generated in California to
> > charge them."
> Fortunately that's no longer true. Well maybe it's true at 5:00 p.m.,
> but not overnight when most people are actually charging their vehicles.
> The electricity is also less expensive at night because there is so much
> excess generating capacity.
>
> The advantages of electric vehicles these days is that the fuel is much
> less expensive than petroleum-based fuels and the amount of CO2 that
> they generate is far less, even when the electricity is being generated
> with fossil fuels.

The story by John that caught my attention was this statement:
>> "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
> > Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger

Apparently John has never ever been to Los Angeles and knows absolutely nothing about Los Angeles. Los Angeles is really, really, really big. And it has really, really, really bad traffic jams. NO ONE who get off work at 5 PM in Los Angeles gets home before 6 or 7 or 8 PM. So folks won't start recharging their cars until 6 PM at the earliest and maybe Midnight at the latest. I'm confident LA has enough power plants to handle this recharging over that long of a timespan.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:26:05 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Sorry, but with Elon Musk buying twitter one of the means of hiding the inefficiency of electric vehicles will be lost.

Tommy, do you understand your statement above makes no sense at all. Elon Musk obtained his vast fortune by creating Tesla, the electric car company. He made millions before Tesla. But it was Tesla that got him into the billions category. You seem to be implying that Twitter and Tweets hide YOUR fact that electric vehicles cause more CO2 than gasoline engines. Why would Elon Musk use his new $44 billion Twitter company to expose this lie and make electric vehicles worthless? Tesla makes electric cars. Tesla gets its fortune from people believing electric cars will reduce pollution and save the world. Why would Elon Musk use Twitter to make himself poor?

Tommy, your logic (HaHaHoHo) is perplexing.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:23:42 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 4/27/2022 4:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Happy Days!Tommy has just solved one of the world's greatest problems.
>> No need for Atomic Energy just capture that CO2.
>>
>> Or to paraphrase the song, "The biggest fool to hit the Internet...
>> and all he has to do is act naturally".
>
>Is there any subject in the world that he is not woefully misinformed on?

Just a second here, I'm thinking.... hmmmm.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:26:05 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Sorry, but with Elon Musk buying twitter one of the means of hiding the inefficiency of electric vehicles will be lost.
>
>Tommy, do you understand your statement above makes no sense at all. Elon Musk obtained his vast fortune by creating Tesla, the electric car company. He made millions before Tesla. But it was Tesla that got him into the billions category. You seem to be implying that Twitter and Tweets hide YOUR fact that electric vehicles cause more CO2 than gasoline engines. Why would Elon Musk use his new $44 billion Twitter company to expose this lie and make electric vehicles worthless? Tesla makes electric cars. Tesla gets its fortune from people believing electric cars will reduce pollution and save the world. Why would Elon Musk use Twitter to make himself poor?
>
>Tommy, your logic (HaHaHoHo) is perplexing.

No, it is called Tommyrection as in Down^, up V, right <, and left >
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:23:41 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:22:13 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>> On 4/27/2022 3:44 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>> > Years and years ago I read an article about electric cars. It
>> > specified the smallest electric car that would be acceptable as
>> > something about the size of a Volkswagen Bug with a range of about 60
>> > miles.
>> >
>> > The article went on to discuss battery technology, as known then, amps
>> > and volts, and a number of other features, but the last sentence in
>> > the article stated that: "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
>> > Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
>> > there isn't sufficient electricity being generated in California to
>> > charge them."
>> Fortunately that's no longer true. Well maybe it's true at 5:00 p.m.,
>> but not overnight when most people are actually charging their vehicles.
>> The electricity is also less expensive at night because there is so much
>> excess generating capacity.
>>
>> The advantages of electric vehicles these days is that the fuel is much
>> less expensive than petroleum-based fuels and the amount of CO2 that
>> they generate is far less, even when the electricity is being generated
>> with fossil fuels.
>
>The story by John that caught my attention was this statement:
>>> "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
>> > Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
>
>Apparently John has never ever been to Los Angeles and knows absolutely nothing about Los Angeles. Los Angeles is really, really, really big. And it has really, really, really bad traffic jams. NO ONE who get off work at 5 PM in Los Angeles gets home before 6 or 7 or 8 PM. So folks won't start recharging their cars until 6 PM at the earliest and maybe Midnight at the latest. I'm confident LA has enough power plants to handle this recharging over that long of a timespan.

Well, actually I lived in Riverside for a while and visited L.A.
occasionally and you are correct'

But I guess you missed the "years and years ago" at the beginning of
my post.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 4/27/2022 5:44 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:05:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4/27/2022 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern internal combustion machines.
>>
>> Ah, good! Yet another topic on which Tom Kunich knows much more than,
>> and disagrees with, every competent scientist and engineer working in
>> that field!
>
> (:-)
> Years and years ago I read an article about electric cars. It
> specified the smallest electric car that would be acceptable as
> something about the size of a Volkswagen Bug with a range of about 60
> miles.
>
> The article went on to discuss battery technology, as known then, amps
> and volts, and a number of other features, but the last sentence in
> the article stated that: "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
> Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
> there isn't sufficient electricity being generated in California to
> charge them."
>

So nothing's changed.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/27/2022 5:23 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:

<snip>

> Apparently John has never ever been to Los Angeles and knows absolutely nothing about Los Angeles. Los Angeles is really, really, really big. And it has really, really, really bad traffic jams. NO ONE who get off work at 5 PM in Los Angeles gets home before 6 or 7 or 8 PM. So folks won't start recharging their cars until 6 PM at the earliest and maybe Midnight at the latest. I'm confident LA has enough power plants to handle this recharging over that long of a timespan.

John didn't say that he believed the article!

In northern California areas served by PG&E, the least expensive time
for car charging is 12 a.m. to 7 a.m. when demand is lowest and there is
plenty of capacity.
<https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-options/electric-vehicle-base-plan/electric-vehicle-base-plan.page>.

But that rate is still very high, 24¢ per KWH. The next city over from
mine has municipal owned electricity. Their rate is 13.3¢ per KWH,
https://www.siliconvalleypower.com/residents/rates-and-fees> all the
time so almost no one puts in solar panels.

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/27/2022 5:23 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Apparently John has never ever been to Los Angeles and knows absolutely
>> nothing about Los Angeles. Los Angeles is really, really, really big.
>> And it has really, really, really bad traffic jams. NO ONE who get off
>> work at 5 PM in Los Angeles gets home before 6 or 7 or 8 PM. So folks
>> won't start recharging their cars until 6 PM at the earliest and maybe
>> Midnight at the latest. I'm confident LA has enough power plants to
>> handle this recharging over that long of a timespan.
>
> John didn't say that he believed the article!
>
> In northern California areas served by PG&E, the least expensive time
> for car charging is 12 a.m. to 7 a.m. when demand is lowest and there is
> plenty of capacity.
> <https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-options/electric-vehicle-base-plan/electric-vehicle-base-plan.page>.
>
> But that rate is still very high, 24¢ per KWH. The next city over from
> mine has municipal owned electricity. Their rate is 13.3¢ per KWH,
> https://www.siliconvalleypower.com/residents/rates-and-fees> all the
> time so almost no one puts in solar panels.
>
>
>
>

I’m California, due to the large amounts of solar power connected to the
grid, high noon is probably the best time to charge an electric car. See
“duck curve”.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:10:58 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/27/2022 5:44 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:05:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/27/2022 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern internal combustion machines.
>>>
>>> Ah, good! Yet another topic on which Tom Kunich knows much more than,
>>> and disagrees with, every competent scientist and engineer working in
>>> that field!
>>
>> (:-)
>> Years and years ago I read an article about electric cars. It
>> specified the smallest electric car that would be acceptable as
>> something about the size of a Volkswagen Bug with a range of about 60
>> miles.
>>
>> The article went on to discuss battery technology, as known then, amps
>> and volts, and a number of other features, but the last sentence in
>> the article stated that: "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
>> Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
>> there isn't sufficient electricity being generated in California to
>> charge them."
>>
>
>So nothing's changed.

I don't know. Has it? SMA tells us that the best time to charge is 12
a.m. to 7 a.m. I'm a long time gone from AM/PM but isn't that from
about midnight till early morning? I'm usually asleep at that time.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:27:25 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:10:58 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >On 4/27/2022 5:44 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:05:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 4/27/2022 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>> The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern internal combustion machines.
> >>>
> >>> Ah, good! Yet another topic on which Tom Kunich knows much more than,
> >>> and disagrees with, every competent scientist and engineer working in
> >>> that field!
> >>
> >> (:-)
> >> Years and years ago I read an article about electric cars. It
> >> specified the smallest electric car that would be acceptable as
> >> something about the size of a Volkswagen Bug with a range of about 60
> >> miles.
> >>
> >> The article went on to discuss battery technology, as known then, amps
> >> and volts, and a number of other features, but the last sentence in
> >> the article stated that: "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
> >> Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
> >> there isn't sufficient electricity being generated in California to
> >> charge them."
> >>
> >
> >So nothing's changed.
> I don't know. Has it? SMA tells us that the best time to charge is 12
> a.m. to 7 a.m. I'm a long time gone from AM/PM but isn't that from
> about midnight till early morning? I'm usually asleep at that time.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

I doubt the electric car plugged into the electric car charger cares too much whether you are sleeping or not. Kind of like my refrigerator. It turns itself on or off all day long. I assume it has an internal thermometer to tell it whether to run or not.

I'm guessing, just guessing, that electric car chargers installed in houses have some clock on them so you can program when the charger runs and draws power. So you just plug it in when you pull into the garage and it charges itself based on the program and clock. No need for you to go into the garage at midnight to plug it in.

John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:10:58 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/27/2022 5:44 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:05:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/27/2022 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that
>>>>> they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern
>>>>> internal combustion machines.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, good! Yet another topic on which Tom Kunich knows much more than,
>>>> and disagrees with, every competent scientist and engineer working in
>>>> that field!
>>>
>>> (:-)
>>> Years and years ago I read an article about electric cars. It
>>> specified the smallest electric car that would be acceptable as
>>> something about the size of a Volkswagen Bug with a range of about 60
>>> miles.
>>>
>>> The article went on to discuss battery technology, as known then, amps
>>> and volts, and a number of other features, but the last sentence in
>>> the article stated that: "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
>>> Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
>>> there isn't sufficient electricity being generated in California to
>>> charge them."
>>>
>>
>> So nothing's changed.
>
> I don't know. Has it? SMA tells us that the best time to charge is 12
> a.m. to 7 a.m. I'm a long time gone from AM/PM but isn't that from
> about midnight till early morning? I'm usually asleep at that time.

It’s not like you have to turn a crank to charge an electric car. You can
tell the car when to charge and it can do it while you sleep. Eventually,
the car and the local power system may actually negotiate charging.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:53:19 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:27:25 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:10:58 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On 4/27/2022 5:44 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:05:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 4/27/2022 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>>> The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern internal combustion machines.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ah, good! Yet another topic on which Tom Kunich knows much more than,
>> >>> and disagrees with, every competent scientist and engineer working in
>> >>> that field!
>> >>
>> >> (:-)
>> >> Years and years ago I read an article about electric cars. It
>> >> specified the smallest electric car that would be acceptable as
>> >> something about the size of a Volkswagen Bug with a range of about 60
>> >> miles.
>> >>
>> >> The article went on to discuss battery technology, as known then, amps
>> >> and volts, and a number of other features, but the last sentence in
>> >> the article stated that: "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
>> >> Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
>> >> there isn't sufficient electricity being generated in California to
>> >> charge them."
>> >>
>> >
>> >So nothing's changed.
>> I don't know. Has it? SMA tells us that the best time to charge is 12
>> a.m. to 7 a.m. I'm a long time gone from AM/PM but isn't that from
>> about midnight till early morning? I'm usually asleep at that time.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>I doubt the electric car plugged into the electric car charger cares too much whether you are sleeping or not. Kind of like my refrigerator. It turns itself on or off all day long. I assume it has an internal thermometer to tell it whether to run or not.
>
>I'm guessing, just guessing, that electric car chargers installed in houses have some clock on them so you can program when the charger runs and draws power. So you just plug it in when you pull into the garage and it charges itself based on the program and clock. No need for you to go into the garage at midnight to plug it in.

Good Lord! You mean I've got to buy one of them there expensive
electric cars AND then I've got to buy a battery charger too :-(

But a slightly different slant on essentially the same subject.

What about those heavy trucks laboring up hills with black smoke
pouring out of the stacks moving something like 12 billion tons of
cargo a year? Or the multitude of ships moving cargo across oceans?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-4, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:26:05 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Sorry, but with Elon Musk buying twitter one of the means of hiding the inefficiency of electric vehicles will be lost.
> Tommy, do you understand your statement above makes no sense at all. Elon Musk obtained his vast fortune by creating Tesla, the electric car company.. He made millions before Tesla. But it was Tesla that got him into the billions category. You seem to be implying that Twitter and Tweets hide YOUR fact that electric vehicles cause more CO2 than gasoline engines. Why would Elon Musk use his new $44 billion Twitter company to expose this lie and make electric vehicles worthless? Tesla makes electric cars. Tesla gets its fortune from people believing electric cars will reduce pollution and save the world. Why would Elon Musk use Twitter to make himself poor?
>
> Tommy, your logic (HaHaHoHo) is perplexing.

Tommy has convinced himself that Elon Musk doesn't think global warming is real, and is only selling electric cars to take advantage of a lie he's helping peddle.

John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:53:19 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:27:25 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:10:58 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/27/2022 5:44 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:05:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/2022 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>> The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that
>>>>>>> they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern
>>>>>>> internal combustion machines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, good! Yet another topic on which Tom Kunich knows much more than,
>>>>>> and disagrees with, every competent scientist and engineer working in
>>>>>> that field!
>>>>>
>>>>> (:-)
>>>>> Years and years ago I read an article about electric cars. It
>>>>> specified the smallest electric car that would be acceptable as
>>>>> something about the size of a Volkswagen Bug with a range of about 60
>>>>> miles.
>>>>>
>>>>> The article went on to discuss battery technology, as known then, amps
>>>>> and volts, and a number of other features, but the last sentence in
>>>>> the article stated that: "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
>>>>> Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
>>>>> there isn't sufficient electricity being generated in California to
>>>>> charge them."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So nothing's changed.
>>> I don't know. Has it? SMA tells us that the best time to charge is 12
>>> a.m. to 7 a.m. I'm a long time gone from AM/PM but isn't that from
>>> about midnight till early morning? I'm usually asleep at that time.
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> John B.
>>
>> I doubt the electric car plugged into the electric car charger cares too
>> much whether you are sleeping or not. Kind of like my refrigerator. It
>> turns itself on or off all day long. I assume it has an internal
>> thermometer to tell it whether to run or not.
>>
>> I'm guessing, just guessing, that electric car chargers installed in
>> houses have some clock on them so you can program when the charger runs
>> and draws power. So you just plug it in when you pull into the garage
>> and it charges itself based on the program and clock. No need for you
>> to go into the garage at midnight to plug it in.
>
> Good Lord! You mean I've got to buy one of them there expensive
> electric cars AND then I've got to buy a battery charger too :-(
>
> But a slightly different slant on essentially the same subject.
>
> What about those heavy trucks laboring up hills with black smoke
> pouring out of the stacks moving something like 12 billion tons of
> cargo a year? Or the multitude of ships moving cargo across oceans?

The ships are going to be tough. Charging facilities on the high seas are
admittedly few and far between. However, they are working on designs for
electric transport trucks. Some need recharging at “truck stops” while
other envision an overhead catenary line to power the trucks along their
way. A mine in my area is working to convert their huge dump trucks to
electric so that they can haul loads out of the mine with less emissions.
As a bonus, when the empty trucks are descending into the mine, they can
apply regenerative braking and actually produce electricity and save money.

However, don’t apply the thinking that “if we can’t displace every internal
combustion vehicle with an electric one, then it makes no sense to displace
ANY of them.” Similar to those that decry the efforts of those trying to
reduce the use of fossil fuels by saying “Oh yeah, but your shoes are made
out of plastic.”, it makes a false assumption that if you can’t do
something completely, it’s not worth even starting. Hydrocarbons are too
useful for other purposes to just extract them from the earth and burn
them.

Ralph Barone <ralph@invalid.com> wrote:
> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:10:58 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/27/2022 5:44 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:05:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/2022 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that
>>>>>> they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern
>>>>>> internal combustion machines.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, good! Yet another topic on which Tom Kunich knows much more than,
>>>>> and disagrees with, every competent scientist and engineer working in
>>>>> that field!
>>>>
>>>> (:-)
>>>> Years and years ago I read an article about electric cars. It
>>>> specified the smallest electric car that would be acceptable as
>>>> something about the size of a Volkswagen Bug with a range of about 60
>>>> miles.
>>>>
>>>> The article went on to discuss battery technology, as known then, amps
>>>> and volts, and a number of other features, but the last sentence in
>>>> the article stated that: "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
>>>> Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
>>>> there isn't sufficient electricity being generated in California to
>>>> charge them."
>>>>
>>>
>>> So nothing's changed.
>>
>> I don't know. Has it? SMA tells us that the best time to charge is 12
>> a.m. to 7 a.m. I'm a long time gone from AM/PM but isn't that from
>> about midnight till early morning? I'm usually asleep at that time.
>
> It’s not like you have to turn a crank to charge an electric car. You can
> tell the car when to charge and it can do it while you sleep. Eventually,
> the car and the local power system may actually negotiate charging.
>
>
And in some areas such as Japan cars can be used to power the house for a
few days.

I’m far from the target audience since I have no where local to charge, I
tend to have older cars since it’s not a priority, do low annual miles so
no financial reward and so on.

My main form of transport is bikes.

Roger Merriman