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`* Re: from facebook - November 12, 1833, the sky over North America seemed to explR Kym Horsell
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 by: a425couple - Wed, 15 Nov 2023 23:59 UTC

A Daily Dose of History
Suggested for you ·
3 days ago
·
In the pre-dawn hours of November 12, 1833, the sky over North America
seemed to explode with falling stars. Unlike anything anyone had ever
seen before, and visible over the entire continent, an Illinois
newspaper reported “the very heavens seemed ablaze.” An Alabama
newspaper described “thousands of luminous bodies shooting across the
firmament in every direction.” Observers in Boston estimated that there
were over 72,000 “falling stars” visible per hour during the remarkable
celestial storm.
The Lakota people were so amazed by the event that they reset their
calendar to commemorate it. Joseph Smith, traveling with Mormon
refugees, noted in his diary that it was surely a sign of the Second
Coming. Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglas, and Harriet Tubman, among
many others, described seeing it. It became known as “The Night the
Stars Fell.”
So, what was this amazing occurrence?
Many of those who witnessed it interpreted it as a sign of the Biblical
end times, remembering words from the gospel of St. Mark: “And the stars
of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be
shaken.” But Yale astronomer Denison Olmsted sought a scientific
explanation, and shortly afterwards he issued a call to the
public—perhaps the first scientific crowd-sourced data gathering effort.
At Olmsted’s request, newspapers across the country printed his call for
data: “As the cause of ‘Falling Stars’ is not understood by
meteorologists, it is desirable to collect all the facts attending this
phenomenon, stated with as much precision as possible. The subscriber,
therefore, requests to be informed of any particulars which were
observed by others, respecting the time when it was first discovered,
the position of the radiant point above mentioned, whether progressive
or stationary, and of any other facts relative to the meteors.”
Olmsted published his conclusions the following years, the information
he had received from lay observers having helped him draw new scientific
conclusions in the study of meteors and meteor showers. He noted that
the shower radiated from a point in the constellation Leo and speculated
that it was caused by the earth passing through a cloud of space dust.
The event, and the public’s fascination with it, caused a surge of
interest in “citizen science” and significantly increased public
scientific awareness.
Nowadays we know that every November the earth passes through the debris
in the trail of a comet known as Tempel-Tuttle, causing the meteor
showers we know as the Leonids. Impressive every year, every 33 year or
so they are especially spectacular, although very rarely attaining the
magnificence of the 1833 event.
The Leonid meteor showers are ongoing now and are expected to peak on
November 18. But don’t expect a show like the one in 1833. This year at
its peak the Leonids are expected to generate 15 “shooting stars” per hour.

November 12, 1833, one hundred ninety years ago today, was “The Night
the Stars Fell.”
The image is an 1889 depiction of the event.

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From: kymhors...@gmail.com (R Kym Horsell)
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Subject: Re: from facebook - November 12, 1833, the sky over North America seemed to explode with falling stars
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 02:28:52 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: R Kym Horsell - Thu, 16 Nov 2023 02:28 UTC

In alt.astronomy a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
> A Daily Dose of History
> Suggested for you ??
> 3 days ago
> ??
> In the pre-dawn hours of November 12, 1833, the sky over North America
> seemed to explode with falling stars. Unlike anything anyone had ever
> seen before, and visible over the entire continent, an Illinois
> newspaper reported ???the very heavens seemed ablaze.??? An Alabama
> newspaper described ???thousands of luminous bodies shooting across the
> firmament in every direction.??? Observers in Boston estimated that there
> were over 72,000 ???falling stars??? visible per hour during the remarkable
> celestial storm.
.....

They were all drunk. It didnt happen.
They cant get here there coz ITS TOO FAR. m = h nu/c**2!!

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 by: palsing - Thu, 16 Nov 2023 02:43 UTC

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 6:28:55 PM UTC-8, R Kym Horsell wrote:
> In alt.astronomy a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > A Daily Dose of History
> > Suggested for you ??
> > 3 days ago
> > ??
> > In the pre-dawn hours of November 12, 1833, the sky over North America
> > seemed to explode with falling stars. Unlike anything anyone had ever
> > seen before, and visible over the entire continent, an Illinois
> > newspaper reported ???the very heavens seemed ablaze.??? An Alabama
> > newspaper described ???thousands of luminous bodies shooting across the
> > firmament in every direction.??? Observers in Boston estimated that there
> > were over 72,000 ???falling stars??? visible per hour during the remarkable
> > celestial storm.
> ....
>
> They were all drunk. It didnt happen.

Bullshit! You are flat-out lying!

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 by: R Kym Horsell - Thu, 16 Nov 2023 07:12 UTC

palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 6:28:55???PM UTC-8, R Kym Horsell wrote:
>> In alt.astronomy a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > A Daily Dose of History
>> > Suggested for you ??
>> > 3 days ago
>> > ??
>> > In the pre-dawn hours of November 12, 1833, the sky over North America
>> > seemed to explode with falling stars. Unlike anything anyone had ever
>> > seen before, and visible over the entire continent, an Illinois
>> > newspaper reported ???the very heavens seemed ablaze.??? An Alabama
>> > newspaper described ???thousands of luminous bodies shooting across the
>> > firmament in every direction.??? Observers in Boston estimated that there
>> > were over 72,000 ???falling stars??? visible per hour during the remarkable
>> > celestial storm.
>> ....
>> They were all drunk. It didnt happen.
> Bullshit! You are flat-out lying!

Put down the beer!

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[What things "look like" versus what they are:]

palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:48:42 PM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
>> start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago.
> There are no green stars, and our Sun is white...

What kind of hillbilly thinks "white" stars are the ones "like our sun"?
That would incl D, F and A types.
When a scientist talks about the same type of stars as the sun
he would be talking about the spectral type -- not the visual appearance.
And the power spectrum (allowing of the different energies of
different wavelengths of EM radiation)
looks like a curve with a peak in the (ta ta) yellow/green area of
the visual range:
<http://www.greenrhinoenergy.com/solar/radiation/images/solar%20radiance-07.svg>

To make a further balls-up of the interjection, if we're talking
about what things look like than there are stars that "look" green:

Humans simply cannot see any green stars... "For our eyes to see it as green,
a star would have to emit only green light, which is not possible."
-- palsing/pnalsing

*** In astronomy, a green star is a white or blueish star that appears
*** greenish in some viewing conditions (see Psychology below).
*** -- wiki

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 by: Daniel65 - Thu, 16 Nov 2023 08:21 UTC

R Kym Horsell wrote on 16/11/23 1:28 pm:
> In alt.astronomy a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> A Daily Dose of History
>> Suggested for you ??
>> 3 days ago
>> ??
>> In the pre-dawn hours of November 12, 1833, the sky over North America
>> seemed to explode with falling stars. Unlike anything anyone had ever
>> seen before, and visible over the entire continent, an Illinois
>> newspaper reported ???the very heavens seemed ablaze.??? An Alabama
>> newspaper described ???thousands of luminous bodies shooting across the
>> firmament in every direction.??? Observers in Boston estimated that there
>> were over 72,000 ???falling stars??? visible per hour during the remarkable
>> celestial storm.
> ....
>
> They were all drunk. It didnt happen.
> They cant get here there coz ITS TOO FAR. m = h nu/c**2!!
>
What?? Does 'm = h nu/c**2' calculate the percentage alcohol of whatever
you were consuming?? ;-P
--
Daniel

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