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 by: John B. - Thu, 5 May 2022 04:26 UTC

On Wed, 4 May 2022 20:54:22 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 8:57:22 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 May 2022 18:40:17 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On 5/4/2022 3:31 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >> Data has to be provable ie provide sources so if one wants one can check.
>> >>
>> >> Or it’s simply opinion dressed up as facts.
>> >
>> >With the Covid death rates, the big question is how large the unreported
>> >death rate is. Estimates in the U.S. range from 20%-36%.
>> >
>> ><https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/underreporting-covid-19-deaths/>.
>> As I understand it the CDC counts deaths by the "Primary Cause of
>> Death" listed on the certificate filed by the attending doctor, or
>> maybe health service.
>>
>> So, it is quite possible that a patient with Covid actually dies of
>> the broken leg he got in the bicycle crash on his way to the hospital
>> so the cause of death might be listed as "broken leg". However, if the
>> patient had taken the bus to the hospital then he might have died of
>> the Covid.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>Unless he stepped in front of the bus after he got off of it at the hospital and the bus ran him over. Then the death certificate would probably say "idiot walked in front of a bus and got run over, doofus". Covid might still be listed as a comorbidity. I can actually imagine Tommy boy taking a bus to the hospital and getting run over by the bus. Then ending up in heaven, or hell (more likely), and ranting and raving about getting run over and God, or the Devil, chasing him away with a stick.

See
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/death11-03final-acc.pdf
and
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf
the form and instructions for filling it out.
Note instructions with "Immediate Cause" and "Sequential Causes" and
"Underlying Cause".
And instructions for Part I, Part II and Part III.

As for Tommy and Covid... well he knows that it is all a hoax so I
assume that he would simply stay home, and as you say, his certificate
would likely read "Dumb Ass stayed home"
--
Cheers,

John B.

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 by: russellseaton1@yahoo - Thu, 5 May 2022 05:14 UTC

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 11:26:57 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 4 May 2022 20:54:22 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 8:57:22 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Wed, 4 May 2022 18:40:17 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On 5/4/2022 3:31 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> >
> >> ><snip>
> >> >
> >> >> Data has to be provable ie provide sources so if one wants one can check.
> >> >>
> >> >> Or it’s simply opinion dressed up as facts.
> >> >
> >> >With the Covid death rates, the big question is how large the unreported
> >> >death rate is. Estimates in the U.S. range from 20%-36%.
> >> >
> >> ><https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/underreporting-covid-19-deaths/>.
> >> As I understand it the CDC counts deaths by the "Primary Cause of
> >> Death" listed on the certificate filed by the attending doctor, or
> >> maybe health service.
> >>
> >> So, it is quite possible that a patient with Covid actually dies of
> >> the broken leg he got in the bicycle crash on his way to the hospital
> >> so the cause of death might be listed as "broken leg". However, if the
> >> patient had taken the bus to the hospital then he might have died of
> >> the Covid.
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> John B.
> >
> >Unless he stepped in front of the bus after he got off of it at the hospital and the bus ran him over. Then the death certificate would probably say "idiot walked in front of a bus and got run over, doofus". Covid might still be listed as a comorbidity. I can actually imagine Tommy boy taking a bus to the hospital and getting run over by the bus. Then ending up in heaven, or hell (more likely), and ranting and raving about getting run over and God, or the Devil, chasing him away with a stick.
> See
> https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/death11-03final-acc.pdf
> and
> https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf
> the form and instructions for filling it out.
> Note instructions with "Immediate Cause" and "Sequential Causes" and
> "Underlying Cause".
> And instructions for Part I, Part II and Part III.
>
> As for Tommy and Covid... well he knows that it is all a hoax so I
> assume that he would simply stay home, and as you say, his certificate
> would likely read "Dumb Ass stayed home"
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

Maybe. But I have seen lots of stories on the internet about the Covid deniers, Qanon people, Nazi space laser mind chip folks, who deny Covid exists and is fake. And then they get it and rush to the hospital and scream and complain that they have to wait in the emergency room. And scream and yell at the doctors and nurses that they should have one of those breathing tubes and other life saving care.

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 by: John B. - Thu, 5 May 2022 06:17 UTC

On Wed, 4 May 2022 22:14:00 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 11:26:57 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 May 2022 20:54:22 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 8:57:22 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 4 May 2022 18:40:17 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On 5/4/2022 3:31 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> ><snip>
>> >> >
>> >> >> Data has to be provable ie provide sources so if one wants one can check.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Or it’s simply opinion dressed up as facts.
>> >> >
>> >> >With the Covid death rates, the big question is how large the unreported
>> >> >death rate is. Estimates in the U.S. range from 20%-36%.
>> >> >
>> >> ><https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/underreporting-covid-19-deaths/>.
>> >> As I understand it the CDC counts deaths by the "Primary Cause of
>> >> Death" listed on the certificate filed by the attending doctor, or
>> >> maybe health service.
>> >>
>> >> So, it is quite possible that a patient with Covid actually dies of
>> >> the broken leg he got in the bicycle crash on his way to the hospital
>> >> so the cause of death might be listed as "broken leg". However, if the
>> >> patient had taken the bus to the hospital then he might have died of
>> >> the Covid.
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> John B.
>> >
>> >Unless he stepped in front of the bus after he got off of it at the hospital and the bus ran him over. Then the death certificate would probably say "idiot walked in front of a bus and got run over, doofus". Covid might still be listed as a comorbidity. I can actually imagine Tommy boy taking a bus to the hospital and getting run over by the bus. Then ending up in heaven, or hell (more likely), and ranting and raving about getting run over and God, or the Devil, chasing him away with a stick.
>> See
>> https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/death11-03final-acc.pdf
>> and
>> https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf
>> the form and instructions for filling it out.
>> Note instructions with "Immediate Cause" and "Sequential Causes" and
>> "Underlying Cause".
>> And instructions for Part I, Part II and Part III.
>>
>> As for Tommy and Covid... well he knows that it is all a hoax so I
>> assume that he would simply stay home, and as you say, his certificate
>> would likely read "Dumb Ass stayed home"
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>Maybe. But I have seen lots of stories on the internet about the Covid deniers, Qanon people, Nazi space laser mind chip folks, who deny Covid exists and is fake. And then they get it and rush to the hospital and scream and complain that they have to wait in the emergency room. And scream and yell at the doctors and nurses that they should have one of those breathing tubes and other life saving care.

Well, like a lot of other things when reality rears it's ugly head
attitudes often change.

--
Cheers,

John B.

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sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 5/4/2022 3:31 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Data has to be provable ie provide sources so if one wants one can check.
>>
>> Or it’s simply opinion dressed up as facts.
>
> With the Covid death rates, the big question is how large the unreported
> death rate is. Estimates in the U.S. range from 20%-36%.
>
> <https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/underreporting-covid-19-deaths/>.
>
>
Hence the use of expected vs actual death rate, so U.S is apparently 19% up
so it’s somewhat above average of the country’s they can get data.

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 by: funkma...@hotmail.co - Thu, 5 May 2022 09:17 UTC

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 11:57:27 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 4 May 2022 17:56:06 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The chart below shows the ACTUAL number of deaths is about 8,000 people. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
> Is that 8,000 deaths per week, month, year, or for the extent of the
> pandemic?
>
> Could I trouble you to show me where on that web page it shows only
> 8,000 "ACTUAL" deaths? From the tabular data to Feb 5, 2022, the CDC
> page shows 81,062 observed deaths per week, which is 10 times what you
> might be claiming if it was 8,000 per week. I also couldn't find a
> definition of what "ACTUAL" might indicate or even the use of the word
> on the CDC page.

We've been through this before with him Jeff. He's trying to claim that since covid is a respiratory disease, that the cause of death under " other respiratory diseases" is the true number of deaths from covid. He's intentionally ignoring the fact (and deceitfully telling us to ignore it) that covid is _not_ listed under "other respiratory diseases" but is listed as it's own cause, on that very same page. It's sort of like how he's convinced there was no recession before obama took office because he shows only shows economic charts that start after obama was elected. To be more succinct, it's another of his "there are no american tanks in Baghdad" moments

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 by: Jeff Liebermann - Thu, 5 May 2022 17:17 UTC

On Thu, 5 May 2022 02:17:11 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 11:57:27 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 May 2022 17:56:06 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The chart below shows the ACTUAL number of deaths is about 8,000 people. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
>> Is that 8,000 deaths per week, month, year, or for the extent of the
>> pandemic?
>>
>> Could I trouble you to show me where on that web page it shows only
>> 8,000 "ACTUAL" deaths? From the tabular data to Feb 5, 2022, the CDC
>> page shows 81,062 observed deaths per week, which is 10 times what you
>> might be claiming if it was 8,000 per week. I also couldn't find a
>> definition of what "ACTUAL" might indicate or even the use of the word
>> on the CDC page.
>
>We've been through this before with him Jeff. He's trying to claim that since covid is a respiratory disease, that the cause of death under " other respiratory diseases" is the true number of deaths from covid. He's intentionally ignoring the fact (and deceitfully telling us to ignore it) that covid is _not_ listed under "other respiratory diseases" but is listed as it's own cause, on that very same page. It's sort of like how he's convinced there was no recession before obama took office because he shows only shows economic charts that start after obama was elected. To be more succinct, it's another of his "there are no american tanks in Baghdad" moments

Thanks. It's unlikely that anyone would hide Covid-19 deaths under
"other respiratory diseases" in a study or report on Covid-19 deaths.
Maybe a report on something else, but not a Covid-19 report.

I think I can answer one of my questions. I was trying to establish
what 8,000 deaths actually means. Searching Google Groups, I found
this proclamation by Tom:
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/l2Sj8STbReU/m/wb3jXQSuCwAJ>
"...after I showed CDC data that shows that less than 8,000 people did
that that was all the way back in March and April of 2020."
Tom's 8,000 deaths appears to be for most of the pandemic going back
to April 2020. That's about 22 months or only 364 deaths per month.
Amazing.

Now, all that is missing is what Tom means by "ACTUAL" deaths. Is
that the same as "observed" deaths? "Observed" is the term the CDC
report used to report 81,062 per week as of the week ending Feb 5,
2020.

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:17:47 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 5 May 2022 02:17:11 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 11:57:27 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wed, 4 May 2022 17:56:06 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The chart below shows the ACTUAL number of deaths is about 8,000 people. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
> >> Is that 8,000 deaths per week, month, year, or for the extent of the
> >> pandemic?
> >>
> >> Could I trouble you to show me where on that web page it shows only
> >> 8,000 "ACTUAL" deaths? From the tabular data to Feb 5, 2022, the CDC
> >> page shows 81,062 observed deaths per week, which is 10 times what you
> >> might be claiming if it was 8,000 per week. I also couldn't find a
> >> definition of what "ACTUAL" might indicate or even the use of the word
> >> on the CDC page.
> >
> >We've been through this before with him Jeff. He's trying to claim that since covid is a respiratory disease, that the cause of death under " other respiratory diseases" is the true number of deaths from covid. He's intentionally ignoring the fact (and deceitfully telling us to ignore it) that covid is _not_ listed under "other respiratory diseases" but is listed as it's own cause, on that very same page. It's sort of like how he's convinced there was no recession before obama took office because he shows only shows economic charts that start after obama was elected. To be more succinct, it's another of his "there are no american tanks in Baghdad" moments
> Thanks. It's unlikely that anyone would hide Covid-19 deaths under
> "other respiratory diseases" in a study or report on Covid-19 deaths.
> Maybe a report on something else, but not a Covid-19 report.
>
> I think I can answer one of my questions. I was trying to establish
> what 8,000 deaths actually means. Searching Google Groups, I found
> this proclamation by Tom:
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/l2Sj8STbReU/m/wb3jXQSuCwAJ>
> "...after I showed CDC data that shows that less than 8,000 people did
> that that was all the way back in March and April of 2020."
> Tom's 8,000 deaths appears to be for most of the pandemic going back
> to April 2020. That's about 22 months or only 364 deaths per month.
> Amazing.

Covid started back in March April 2020. Trump had several circus events where he said Covid was over by Easter. Maybe Tommy boy saw some CDC press release saying only 8000 dead people at the end of March or April 2020. And since Tommy boy believes everything that spews out of Trumpy's mouth, Tommy concluded with his vast brainpower that Covid only killed 8000. That seems like a good explanation for Tommy boy.

>
> Now, all that is missing is what Tom means by "ACTUAL" deaths. Is
> that the same as "observed" deaths? "Observed" is the term the CDC
> report used to report 81,062 per week as of the week ending Feb 5,
> 2020.
> --
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> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 1:21:12 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > On 5/4/2022 3:31 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> Data has to be provable ie provide sources so if one wants one can check.
> >>
> >> Or it’s simply opinion dressed up as facts.
> >
> > With the Covid death rates, the big question is how large the unreported
> > death rate is. Estimates in the U.S. range from 20%-36%.
> >
> > <https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/underreporting-covid-19-deaths/>.
> >
> >
> Hence the use of expected vs actual death rate, so U.S is apparently 19% up
> so it’s somewhat above average of the country’s they can get data.

Roger, where is it in the US that someone not dying directly under the care of a physician isn't by law required to have an autopsy? There is NO (within reasonable bounds) deaths that are unreported. People are implying that the CDC is lying because they do not parrot the Slime Stream Media. The section of the CDC that controls the statistics is NOT under the control of Fauci. Fauci PREDICTED in 2017 that there would be a pandemic that killed millions by 2020. Precisely how do you suppose he managed to do this if he wasn't responsible for the disease or a good guesser? And since he has NEVER made one accurate prediction in his entire time in the CDC one avenue is cut off.

That the mortuary business did NOT show a 25-35% increase in profits should have been significant to anyone that understood statistics in even the least bit.

Question, what are the two largest causes of death in the world? Heart attacks from overeating and lack of exercise and cancer. If they had put HALF as much money into cancer as they have covid-19, we would have saved more than DOUBLE any wild assed claim of deaths by covid-19. And MOST cancer deaths are to people in the prime of life, I spent many years working on early detection and treatment of cancer so I know how drastically underfunded it is.

But people want to say that the CDC doesn't know what it is talking about when they SHOW there were only 8,000 deaths from covid-19 AND FOR 2021 and 2022 the deaths from respiratory diseases were below normal since people simply haven't been around other people which is the prime cause of respiratory diseases.

I would like to ask you a serious question: why do you want to believe that a non-existent disease is killing people?

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 by: Tom Kunich - Fri, 6 May 2022 17:48 UTC

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:27:04 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 7:11:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 4/27/2022 5:44 PM, John B. wrote:
> > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:05:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> > > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 4/27/2022 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>> The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern internal combustion machines.
> > >>
> > >> Ah, good! Yet another topic on which Tom Kunich knows much more than,
> > >> and disagrees with, every competent scientist and engineer working in
> > >> that field!
> > >
> > > (:-)
> > > Years and years ago I read an article about electric cars. It
> > > specified the smallest electric car that would be acceptable as
> > > something about the size of a Volkswagen Bug with a range of about 60
> > > miles.
> > >
> > > The article went on to discuss battery technology, as known then, amps
> > > and volts, and a number of other features, but the last sentence in
> > > the article stated that: "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
> > > Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
> > > there isn't sufficient electricity being generated in California to
> > > charge them."
> > >
> > So nothing's changed.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> There isn't anything at all that Frank doesn't know more of. As a mechanical engineer he is an expert on electric cars. He says that all of the competent engineers agree that electric cars are green. So I wonder why he doesn't therefore have one? He being logical wouldn't he of needs have one himself so that he could judge their rewards rather than reaching a decision based entire on reporting of people who are not scientists or engineers?
>
> The mining and construction of just the batteries is extremely energy intensive but according to Frank that is not possible. They grow on trees and not with materials that are highly reactive and hence are NEVER found pure in nature and so must be mined from hard rocks or reduced in another energy intensive manner from salt mined from salt flats which destroys the area or deep pit salt mines that can be more than a mile across using HUGE mining vehicles to extract enough of the salt to get a useful and commercial amount of lithium. Most of the world's supply of commercial grade lithium from Peru, Chile and Argentina - countries with unstable governments and people with living standards far below that of the US.
>
> Lithium being so highly reactive with almost everything is clear and present fire hazard and breaking the seal on a lithium battery on your smartphone can cause an explosive fire in your pocket or purse. Great care and LOTS of energy is expended making these batteries as safe as possible.
>
> Now the return of recharge energy from batteries is 78% efficient when new and a life span of about 3500 recharges when new and charged only to 80% of its maximum capacity and never allowed to fall below 40% of its capacity.. Float charges to 100% capacity greatly shortens the life span of the battery. It is about the same cost to replace a Tesla as to replace its battery..
>
> None of this seems to address the fact that the electricity is pretty widely generated via natural gas or even coal. It then has a 90% loss in being generated and then sent via wires to a location where it is outside of the pollution zone of the power plant and in the urban areas where electric vehicles are practical. The total return of energy for an electric vehicle is some 20% vs. the return of an internal combustion car from well head to engine of 28%.

I've been thinking about this problem more and more. I would like to know what on Earth causes people to suddenly en mass and without the slightest personal experience or training decide to believe something beyond belief?

This reminds me of a book I read as a young man so many years ago by a man called Bonhoeffer. He decided that is was a sort of self inflicted mass stupidity. In the time of Hitler when he lived he said that it was absolutely true that most people decided that Hitler was correct that Jews were the source of every problem in the world. What stood out to me the most was just on the edge of being proven correct - just one or two weeks before the concentration camp he was held in was freed by American troops, he was gassed and thrown into the ovens to dispose of the evidence.

But he was a published author of many books and like the internet, he has lived on and will forever. But modern uneducated people such as Frank and Russell would never consider learning a thing from Pastor Bonhoeffer. Their lives are in their empty headedness invoked by Obama and Biden.

45% of the energy in California is produced using fossil fuel. While natural gas emits little smoke, it makes just as much CO2 as any other fossil fuel per KwH. This is much lower than in most other states. There is very little energy production diversity in the world with China in particular having the blackest production by far of any other place in the world and with 47 more coal fired power plants under construction.

Perhaps you're one of those nut cases that believe that energy is best depicted with the international unit of joules. Perhaps rather than saying 1 KwH you should say 3600000 joules. Wow is all I can say. Everyone should use units so small that there is no practical use for them. Even BTU's are about 3 orders of magnitude larger.

So what would cause people to believe that electric cars are "more efficient" than internal combustion cars? In the sheer generation of power via generators, there is a loss of something like 65% of the power, That means that only 45% of the energy available becomes actual electricity. (https://www.enerdynamics.com/Energy-Currents_Blog/How-Much-Primary-Energy-Is-Wasted-Before-Consumers-See-Value-from-Electricity.aspx) Now since people do not want generation plants around them they put them FAR away and transmit the power over electrical lines and through transformers. The losses in ONE transformer alone is about 2% so the further away you are from the source the more transformers are necessary to readjust the voltage to the level used to. Plus the losses from copper wires are significant - in California about 10% of the power is lost purely to line losses. So on the average about 8-15% of the original energy is lost through transmission lines. So what this leave is some 39% of the original energy left.

Now, unlike people like Russell of Flunky, I realize that the charging of the battery in NEW condition still has around a 12% loss at low amperage and higher for faster charging. So for the slow charge the loss from the 39% reduced the power from the original power to 34.4% of the original value. As the batteries age or in very hot days the losses in the battery itself can account for yet another 10%.

This is about the efficiency of an internal combustion engine in city traffic and about 10% less than one on a long highway cruise.

So what are the gains of an electric car? Well, it does move pollution from a city out into the rural areas where it is less harmful. That is nothing to sneeze at and proof that electric cars are useful when used properly. But the idea of expanding electric generation and sending wires into every corner of the country is silly on the surface. We do not have sufficient copper wire as it is and power companies are reduced to using aluminum which has 35% more resistive losses. And aluminum has a much lower melting point so structural damage to the wiring can put sufficient load on fewer wires and actually melt main power cable through.

So now we're back to Bonhoeffer and his belief in the ability of masses to self inflict stupidity on themselves under the influence of an idea. Biden didn't come up with this idea, Obama did. Biden didn't suggest that anyone that doesn't have a degree couldn't know anything - that too was Obama. This convincing man who the fretful 5 worship was wrong on every count but is nevertheless a religious figurehead because of the idea that somehow America was racist. And that racism is proven by the income inequality of blacks and whites and not the gang related turning away from education of far too many blacks.

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 by: russellseaton1@yahoo - Sat, 7 May 2022 02:59 UTC

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:48:07 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 10:27:04 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 7:11:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 4/27/2022 5:44 PM, John B. wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:05:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> > > > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On 4/27/2022 10:26 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >>> The lies about electric vehicles simply have hidden the fact that they actually contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than modern internal combustion machines.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ah, good! Yet another topic on which Tom Kunich knows much more than,
> > > >> and disagrees with, every competent scientist and engineer working in
> > > >> that field!
> > > >
> > > > (:-)
> > > > Years and years ago I read an article about electric cars. It
> > > > specified the smallest electric car that would be acceptable as
> > > > something about the size of a Volkswagen Bug with a range of about 60
> > > > miles.
> > > >
> > > > The article went on to discuss battery technology, as known then, amps
> > > > and volts, and a number of other features, but the last sentence in
> > > > the article stated that: "And at 5 o'clock when everyone in Los
> > > > Angeles comes home from work and plugs their car into the charger
> > > > there isn't sufficient electricity being generated in California to
> > > > charge them."
> > > >
> > > So nothing's changed.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew Muzi
> > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > There isn't anything at all that Frank doesn't know more of. As a mechanical engineer he is an expert on electric cars. He says that all of the competent engineers agree that electric cars are green. So I wonder why he doesn't therefore have one? He being logical wouldn't he of needs have one himself so that he could judge their rewards rather than reaching a decision based entire on reporting of people who are not scientists or engineers?
> >
> > The mining and construction of just the batteries is extremely energy intensive but according to Frank that is not possible. They grow on trees and not with materials that are highly reactive and hence are NEVER found pure in nature and so must be mined from hard rocks or reduced in another energy intensive manner from salt mined from salt flats which destroys the area or deep pit salt mines that can be more than a mile across using HUGE mining vehicles to extract enough of the salt to get a useful and commercial amount of lithium. Most of the world's supply of commercial grade lithium from Peru, Chile and Argentina - countries with unstable governments and people with living standards far below that of the US.
> >
> > Lithium being so highly reactive with almost everything is clear and present fire hazard and breaking the seal on a lithium battery on your smartphone can cause an explosive fire in your pocket or purse. Great care and LOTS of energy is expended making these batteries as safe as possible.
> >
> > Now the return of recharge energy from batteries is 78% efficient when new and a life span of about 3500 recharges when new and charged only to 80% of its maximum capacity and never allowed to fall below 40% of its capacity. Float charges to 100% capacity greatly shortens the life span of the battery. It is about the same cost to replace a Tesla as to replace its battery.
> >
> > None of this seems to address the fact that the electricity is pretty widely generated via natural gas or even coal. It then has a 90% loss in being generated and then sent via wires to a location where it is outside of the pollution zone of the power plant and in the urban areas where electric vehicles are practical. The total return of energy for an electric vehicle is some 20% vs. the return of an internal combustion car from well head to engine of 28%.
>
> I've been thinking about this problem more and more. I would like to know what on Earth causes people to suddenly en mass and without the slightest personal experience or training decide to believe something beyond belief?
>

You mean something like Trump won the 2020 election?

> This reminds me of a book I read as a young man so many years ago by a man called Bonhoeffer. He decided that is was a sort of self inflicted mass stupidity. In the time of Hitler when he lived he said that it was absolutely true that most people decided that Hitler was correct that Jews were the source of every problem in the world. What stood out to me the most was just on the edge of being proven correct - just one or two weeks before the concentration camp he was held in was freed by American troops, he was gassed and thrown into the ovens to dispose of the evidence.
>
> But he was a published author of many books and like the internet, he has lived on and will forever. But modern uneducated people such as Frank and Russell would never consider learning a thing from Pastor Bonhoeffer. Their lives are in their empty headedness invoked by Obama and Biden.
>
> 45% of the energy in California is produced using fossil fuel. While natural gas emits little smoke, it makes just as much CO2 as any other fossil fuel per KwH. This is much lower than in most other states. There is very little energy production diversity in the world with China in particular having the blackest production by far of any other place in the world and with 47 more coal fired power plants under construction.
>
> Perhaps you're one of those nut cases that believe that energy is best depicted with the international unit of joules. Perhaps rather than saying 1 KwH you should say 3600000 joules. Wow is all I can say. Everyone should use units so small that there is no practical use for them. Even BTU's are about 3 orders of magnitude larger.
>
> So what would cause people to believe that electric cars are "more efficient" than internal combustion cars? In the sheer generation of power via generators, there is a loss of something like 65% of the power, That means that only 45% of the energy available becomes actual electricity. (https://www.enerdynamics.com/Energy-Currents_Blog/How-Much-Primary-Energy-Is-Wasted-Before-Consumers-See-Value-from-Electricity.aspx) Now since people do not want generation plants around them they put them FAR away and transmit the power over electrical lines and through transformers. The losses in ONE transformer alone is about 2% so the further away you are from the source the more transformers are necessary to readjust the voltage to the level used to. Plus the losses from copper wires are significant - in California about 10% of the power is lost purely to line losses. So on the average about 8-15% of the original energy is lost through transmission lines. So what this leave is some 39% of the original energy left.
>
> Now, unlike people like Russell of Flunky, I realize that the charging of the battery in NEW condition still has around a 12% loss at low amperage and higher for faster charging. So for the slow charge the loss from the 39% reduced the power from the original power to 34.4% of the original value. As the batteries age or in very hot days the losses in the battery itself can account for yet another 10%.
>
> This is about the efficiency of an internal combustion engine in city traffic and about 10% less than one on a long highway cruise.
>
> So what are the gains of an electric car? Well, it does move pollution from a city out into the rural areas where it is less harmful. That is nothing to sneeze at and proof that electric cars are useful when used properly. But the idea of expanding electric generation and sending wires into every corner of the country is silly on the surface. We do not have sufficient copper wire as it is and power companies are reduced to using aluminum which has 35% more resistive losses. And aluminum has a much lower melting point so structural damage to the wiring can put sufficient load on fewer wires and actually melt main power cable through.
>
> So now we're back to Bonhoeffer and his belief in the ability of masses to self inflict stupidity on themselves under the influence of an idea. Biden didn't come up with this idea, Obama did. Biden didn't suggest that anyone that doesn't have a degree couldn't know anything - that too was Obama. This convincing man who the fretful 5 worship was wrong on every count but is nevertheless a religious figurehead because of the idea that somehow America was racist. And that racism is proven by the income inequality of blacks and whites and not the gang related turning away from education of far too many blacks.

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On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 10:59:04 PM UTC-4, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:48:07 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I've been thinking about this problem more and more. I would like to know what on Earth causes people to suddenly en mass and without the slightest personal experience or training decide to believe something beyond belief?
> >
> You mean something like Trump won the 2020 election?

Tommy is a case study for "without the slightest personal experience or training decide to believe something beyond belief "

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