On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-7, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
> https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/beware-the-e-bike-menace-in-nyc-they-must-
> be-banned/
>
> Are you about to cross the street? Look both ways — and pray.
>
> The e-bike swarm makes a stroll to the other side so risky, it’s a wonder
> that pedestrians aren’t required to sign a liability release before
> stepping off the curb.
>
> The menace that sets New Yorkers scrambling for their lives at every
> corner calls for only one solution:
>
> Ban e-bikes completely, no matter how much car-hating bike advocates
> scream and impatient New Yorkers gripe about their General Tso’s chicken
> taking a few minutes longer to arrive.
>
> New Yorkers must watch out for muggers and crazies lurking under scaffolds
> and on subway platforms. Now, since the state legalized e-bikes in 2020,
> we put our lives on the line every time we step out of our homes in broad
> daylight. It will be even worse as spring turns to summer. Citi Bikes just
> began rolling out 1,500 more, fancier e-bikes to its 5,000-strong fleet.
>
> The new e-bikes have handlebar LED screens to show speed and directions.
> Imagine, riders who rarely bother to look left or right can now focus all
> their attention on a tiny, handlebars-mounted screen with sound!
>
> Incredibly, e-bike riders don’t need licenses. But the two-wheel terrors
> are a license to kill and maim.
>
> The city that closes restaurants over a dead fly winks at the electric-
> powered “pedal-boosting” bikes that bear down on hapless pedestrians at 25
> mph — silently, often from the wrong direction, and frequently on
> sidewalks (where not even regular bikes are allowed).
>
> Cycling proponents cite the pandemic for helping to popularize e-bikes.
> The logic of that isn’t clear, unless it’s that the lockdowns of 2020 and
> lingering, needless restrictions caused everyone to lose their minds.
>
> Politicians and biking “advocates” forever propose brainstorms to wish
> away the e-bike carnage. Require licenses! Register the bikes! Install
> more bike lanes! Tougher enforcement!
>
> But it would be easier to hold back a killer-bees invasion with a single
> can of Raid. Our streets and sidewalks are overrun. With the number of e-
> bike rides in the city more than doubling from 2.7 million in 2020 to 6.7
> million last year, no Mickey Mouse-level tinkering could make a
> difference.
>
> The Department of Transportation says there has been one death by e-bike
> this year, and three in 2021. But the statistics, or lack thereof — the
> agency does not break out non-fatal collisions — belie the disorder they
> add to already near-lawless streets, and the dread they bring to millions
> of New Yorkers every day.
>
> E-bikes scare the bejeezus out of everyone except the people riding them.
> Elderly and less-mobile people rightly cower at their approach.
>
> Uptown and downtown, food deliverers zoom between restaurant sidewalk
> seats and dining tents in the street heedless of traffic lights — or of
> waiters who risk their lives bringing dishes to tables.
>
> E-bikers in my Upper East Side neighborhood play a game of chicken. Ha,
> ha! Let’s see how close I can come to crippling you without hitting you!
>
> But there’s nothing funny about it.
>
> My friend, former New York Post writer Doree Lewak, was nearly killed by a
> wrong-way e-bike four years ago. The hit-and-run strike on Sixth Avenue at
> West 37th Street knocked out a half-dozen of her teeth, damaged ten more,
> and left her with permanent injuries.
>
> “Gone Girl” actress Lisa Banes died of brain injuries last June after an
> electric scooter, the e-bikes’ close cousin, ran her down on the Upper
> West Side. An Upper West Side restaurant manager perished last summer
> after being struck by an e-bike on Amsterdam Avenue.
>
> This year, the highest body count is so far among e-bikers themselves.
> Among them: an off-duty NYPD cop who lost control in Flatbush; another
> Brooklyn man run over by a car after his e-bike brakes locked, causing him
> to be ejected; and one man killed and a second hurt when they drove their
> e-bike into a parked truck in Gravesend.
>
> The damn things are a menace even when they aren’t even moving. Lithium
> ion batteries were responsible for more than 40 fires, one of them fatal,
> in the Big Apple so far this year.
>
> It won’t be easy for Mayor Adams, the City Council or the auto-hating DOT
> to pull the e-bikes’ plug. Many “progressives” would like to see them
> replace cars altogether.
>
> True leadership calls for guts. But I wouldn’t count on the pols and
> bureaucrats finding their spines before the next tragedies that are
> waiting to happen.
>
>
>
> --
> "LOCKDOWN", left-wing COVID fearmongering. 95% of COVID infections
> recover with no after effects.
>
> No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.
> Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.
>
> Donald J. Trump, cheated out of a second term by fraudulent "mail-in"
> ballots. Report voter fraud: sf.n...@mail.house.gov
>
> Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama / Biden
> fiasco, President Trump.
>
> Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
> The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
> queer liberal democrat donors.
>
> President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions, appointed
> dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.

You might as well be spitting into the wind. The leftist here would rather be executed by their present leftist regime than say so much as a single word against them. Looking at the past postings it is easy to see why, not one of them has a hold on reality any tighter than on a billion dollars.

On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-7, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>> https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/beware-the-e-bike-menace-in-nyc-they-must-
>> be-banned/
>>
>> Are you about to cross the street? Look both ways — and pray.
>>
>> The e-bike swarm makes a stroll to the other side so risky, it’s a wonder
>> that pedestrians aren’t required to sign a liability release before
>> stepping off the curb.
>>
>> The menace that sets New Yorkers scrambling for their lives at every
>> corner calls for only one solution:
>>
>> Ban e-bikes completely, no matter how much car-hating bike advocates
>> scream and impatient New Yorkers gripe about their General Tso’s chicken
>> taking a few minutes longer to arrive.
>>
>> New Yorkers must watch out for muggers and crazies lurking under scaffolds
>> and on subway platforms. Now, since the state legalized e-bikes in 2020,
>> we put our lives on the line every time we step out of our homes in broad
>> daylight. It will be even worse as spring turns to summer. Citi Bikes just
>> began rolling out 1,500 more, fancier e-bikes to its 5,000-strong fleet.
>>
>> The new e-bikes have handlebar LED screens to show speed and directions.
>> Imagine, riders who rarely bother to look left or right can now focus all
>> their attention on a tiny, handlebars-mounted screen with sound!
>>
>> Incredibly, e-bike riders don’t need licenses. But the two-wheel terrors
>> are a license to kill and maim.
>>
>> The city that closes restaurants over a dead fly winks at the electric-
>> powered “pedal-boosting” bikes that bear down on hapless pedestrians at 25
>> mph — silently, often from the wrong direction, and frequently on
>> sidewalks (where not even regular bikes are allowed).
>>
>> Cycling proponents cite the pandemic for helping to popularize e-bikes.
>> The logic of that isn’t clear, unless it’s that the lockdowns of 2020 and
>> lingering, needless restrictions caused everyone to lose their minds.
>>
>> Politicians and biking “advocates” forever propose brainstorms to wish
>> away the e-bike carnage. Require licenses! Register the bikes! Install
>> more bike lanes! Tougher enforcement!
>>
>> But it would be easier to hold back a killer-bees invasion with a single
>> can of Raid. Our streets and sidewalks are overrun. With the number of e-
>> bike rides in the city more than doubling from 2.7 million in 2020 to 6.7
>> million last year, no Mickey Mouse-level tinkering could make a
>> difference.
>>
>> The Department of Transportation says there has been one death by e-bike
>> this year, and three in 2021. But the statistics, or lack thereof — the
>> agency does not break out non-fatal collisions — belie the disorder they
>> add to already near-lawless streets, and the dread they bring to millions
>> of New Yorkers every day.
>>
>> E-bikes scare the bejeezus out of everyone except the people riding them.
>> Elderly and less-mobile people rightly cower at their approach.
>>
>> Uptown and downtown, food deliverers zoom between restaurant sidewalk
>> seats and dining tents in the street heedless of traffic lights — or of
>> waiters who risk their lives bringing dishes to tables.
>>
>> E-bikers in my Upper East Side neighborhood play a game of chicken. Ha,
>> ha! Let’s see how close I can come to crippling you without hitting you!
>>
>> But there’s nothing funny about it.
>>
>> My friend, former New York Post writer Doree Lewak, was nearly killed by a
>> wrong-way e-bike four years ago. The hit-and-run strike on Sixth Avenue at
>> West 37th Street knocked out a half-dozen of her teeth, damaged ten more,
>> and left her with permanent injuries.
>>
>> “Gone Girl” actress Lisa Banes died of brain injuries last June after an
>> electric scooter, the e-bikes’ close cousin, ran her down on the Upper
>> West Side. An Upper West Side restaurant manager perished last summer
>> after being struck by an e-bike on Amsterdam Avenue.
>>
>> This year, the highest body count is so far among e-bikers themselves.
>> Among them: an off-duty NYPD cop who lost control in Flatbush; another
>> Brooklyn man run over by a car after his e-bike brakes locked, causing him
>> to be ejected; and one man killed and a second hurt when they drove their
>> e-bike into a parked truck in Gravesend.
>>
>> The damn things are a menace even when they aren’t even moving. Lithium
>> ion batteries were responsible for more than 40 fires, one of them fatal,
>> in the Big Apple so far this year.
>>
>> It won’t be easy for Mayor Adams, the City Council or the auto-hating DOT
>> to pull the e-bikes’ plug. Many “progressives” would like to see them
>> replace cars altogether.
>>
>> True leadership calls for guts. But I wouldn’t count on the pols and
>> bureaucrats finding their spines before the next tragedies that are
>> waiting to happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "LOCKDOWN", left-wing COVID fearmongering. 95% of COVID infections
>> recover with no after effects.
>>
>> No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.
>> Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.
>>
>> Donald J. Trump, cheated out of a second term by fraudulent "mail-in"
>> ballots. Report voter fraud: sf.n...@mail.house.gov
>>
>> Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama / Biden
>> fiasco, President Trump.
>>
>> Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
>> The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
>> queer liberal democrat donors.
>>
>> President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions, appointed
>> dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.
>
>You might as well be spitting into the wind. The leftist here would rather be executed by their present leftist regime than say so much as a single word against them. Looking at the past postings it is easy to see why, not one of them has a hold on reality any tighter than on a billion dollars.

"The leftist here" ????

But what is a "leftist"? the term is usually used to designate those
of a socialistic leaning... you know, those who are living on the
Government Dole.

And I read:
"In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from
one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated
306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released
last October."
https://tinyurl.com/5ee3txts

Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
And that was in reference to the 2012 Census. No telling what the
numbers are today.

Whoops! Here is a later report:
"the Biden Administration’s revised Build Back Better Act would be by
far the largest increase in means-tested welfare spending in U.S.
history, piled on top of the existing welfare system that costs $1.16
trillion per year. The average poor family with children already
receives $65,200 in cash, food, housing, medical care, and educational
support from the taxpayer each year. The Biden plan would add at least
another $11,300, with payoffs to special-interest groups"
https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/largest-welfare-increase-us-history-will-boost-government-support-76400-poor-family

Gee.. 65,200/52 is $1253 a week, if no vacation is taken.
So... something like half of the U.S. population is getting all this
"bread" and you talk about "leftists", "Socialists" and "Communists".
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 8:09:09 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-7, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
> >> https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/beware-the-e-bike-menace-in-nyc-they-must-
> >> be-banned/
> >>
> >> Are you about to cross the street? Look both ways — and pray.
> >>
> >> The e-bike swarm makes a stroll to the other side so risky, it’s a wonder
> >> that pedestrians aren’t required to sign a liability release before
> >> stepping off the curb.
> >>
> >> The menace that sets New Yorkers scrambling for their lives at every
> >> corner calls for only one solution:
> >>
> >> Ban e-bikes completely, no matter how much car-hating bike advocates
> >> scream and impatient New Yorkers gripe about their General Tso’s chicken
> >> taking a few minutes longer to arrive.
> >>
> >> New Yorkers must watch out for muggers and crazies lurking under scaffolds
> >> and on subway platforms. Now, since the state legalized e-bikes in 2020,
> >> we put our lives on the line every time we step out of our homes in broad
> >> daylight. It will be even worse as spring turns to summer. Citi Bikes just
> >> began rolling out 1,500 more, fancier e-bikes to its 5,000-strong fleet.
> >>
> >> The new e-bikes have handlebar LED screens to show speed and directions.
> >> Imagine, riders who rarely bother to look left or right can now focus all
> >> their attention on a tiny, handlebars-mounted screen with sound!
> >>
> >> Incredibly, e-bike riders don’t need licenses. But the two-wheel terrors
> >> are a license to kill and maim.
> >>
> >> The city that closes restaurants over a dead fly winks at the electric-
> >> powered “pedal-boosting” bikes that bear down on hapless pedestrians at 25
> >> mph — silently, often from the wrong direction, and frequently on
> >> sidewalks (where not even regular bikes are allowed).
> >>
> >> Cycling proponents cite the pandemic for helping to popularize e-bikes..
> >> The logic of that isn’t clear, unless it’s that the lockdowns of 2020 and
> >> lingering, needless restrictions caused everyone to lose their minds.
> >>
> >> Politicians and biking “advocates” forever propose brainstorms to wish
> >> away the e-bike carnage. Require licenses! Register the bikes! Install
> >> more bike lanes! Tougher enforcement!
> >>
> >> But it would be easier to hold back a killer-bees invasion with a single
> >> can of Raid. Our streets and sidewalks are overrun. With the number of e-
> >> bike rides in the city more than doubling from 2.7 million in 2020 to 6.7
> >> million last year, no Mickey Mouse-level tinkering could make a
> >> difference.
> >>
> >> The Department of Transportation says there has been one death by e-bike
> >> this year, and three in 2021. But the statistics, or lack thereof — the
> >> agency does not break out non-fatal collisions — belie the disorder they
> >> add to already near-lawless streets, and the dread they bring to millions
> >> of New Yorkers every day.
> >>
> >> E-bikes scare the bejeezus out of everyone except the people riding them.
> >> Elderly and less-mobile people rightly cower at their approach.
> >>
> >> Uptown and downtown, food deliverers zoom between restaurant sidewalk
> >> seats and dining tents in the street heedless of traffic lights — or of
> >> waiters who risk their lives bringing dishes to tables.
> >>
> >> E-bikers in my Upper East Side neighborhood play a game of chicken. Ha,
> >> ha! Let’s see how close I can come to crippling you without hitting you!
> >>
> >> But there’s nothing funny about it.
> >>
> >> My friend, former New York Post writer Doree Lewak, was nearly killed by a
> >> wrong-way e-bike four years ago. The hit-and-run strike on Sixth Avenue at
> >> West 37th Street knocked out a half-dozen of her teeth, damaged ten more,
> >> and left her with permanent injuries.
> >>
> >> “Gone Girl” actress Lisa Banes died of brain injuries last June after an
> >> electric scooter, the e-bikes’ close cousin, ran her down on the Upper
> >> West Side. An Upper West Side restaurant manager perished last summer
> >> after being struck by an e-bike on Amsterdam Avenue.
> >>
> >> This year, the highest body count is so far among e-bikers themselves.
> >> Among them: an off-duty NYPD cop who lost control in Flatbush; another
> >> Brooklyn man run over by a car after his e-bike brakes locked, causing him
> >> to be ejected; and one man killed and a second hurt when they drove their
> >> e-bike into a parked truck in Gravesend.
> >>
> >> The damn things are a menace even when they aren’t even moving.. Lithium
> >> ion batteries were responsible for more than 40 fires, one of them fatal,
> >> in the Big Apple so far this year.
> >>
> >> It won’t be easy for Mayor Adams, the City Council or the auto-hating DOT
> >> to pull the e-bikes’ plug. Many “progressives” would like to see them
> >> replace cars altogether.
> >>
> >> True leadership calls for guts. But I wouldn’t count on the pols and
> >> bureaucrats finding their spines before the next tragedies that are
> >> waiting to happen.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> "LOCKDOWN", left-wing COVID fearmongering. 95% of COVID infections
> >> recover with no after effects.
> >>
> >> No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.
> >> Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.
> >>
> >> Donald J. Trump, cheated out of a second term by fraudulent "mail-in"
> >> ballots. Report voter fraud: sf.n...@mail.house.gov
> >>
> >> Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama / Biden
> >> fiasco, President Trump.
> >>
> >> Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
> >> The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
> >> queer liberal democrat donors.
> >>
> >> President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions, appointed
> >> dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.
> >
> >You might as well be spitting into the wind. The leftist here would rather be executed by their present leftist regime than say so much as a single word against them. Looking at the past postings it is easy to see why, not one of them has a hold on reality any tighter than on a billion dollars.
> "The leftist here" ????
>
> But what is a "leftist"? the term is usually used to designate those
> of a socialistic leaning... you know, those who are living on the
> Government Dole.
>
> And I read:
> "In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from
> one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated
> 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released
> last October."
> https://tinyurl.com/5ee3txts
>
> Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
> And that was in reference to the 2012 Census. No telling what the
> numbers are today.
>
> Whoops! Here is a later report:
> "the Biden Administration’s revised Build Back Better Act would be by
> far the largest increase in means-tested welfare spending in U.S.
> history, piled on top of the existing welfare system that costs $1.16
> trillion per year. The average poor family with children already
> receives $65,200 in cash, food, housing, medical care, and educational
> support from the taxpayer each year. The Biden plan would add at least
> another $11,300, with payoffs to special-interest groups"
> https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/largest-welfare-increase-us-history-will-boost-government-support-76400-poor-family

I'd question those numbers. The $65,200 number in particular. The US Census says the median (50% above, 50% below) income in the USA in 2020 is $67,521. How could a poor family be considered poor if they are only $2,321 below the median for the whole USA? If you are only 3.4% below median income, are you really poor? Kind of like a poor guy only making $96,600 salary per year saying he is poor compared to his co-worker making $100,000. And if Joe gives another $11,300 to the poor people, then the poor would be making $76,500 per year. Or $8979 above median. I'm sure you cannot be called poor if you make that much more than median. We might run out of poor people in America. Then who would we judge and oppress? The USA needs poor people to maintain the hierarchy. Good people at the top and poor people at the bottom.

On Sat, 14 May 2022 18:41:14 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 8:09:09 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-7, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>> >> https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/beware-the-e-bike-menace-in-nyc-they-must-
>> >> be-banned/
>> >>
>> >> Are you about to cross the street? Look both ways — and pray.
>> >>
>> >> The e-bike swarm makes a stroll to the other side so risky, it’s a wonder
>> >> that pedestrians aren’t required to sign a liability release before
>> >> stepping off the curb.
>> >>
>> >> The menace that sets New Yorkers scrambling for their lives at every
>> >> corner calls for only one solution:
>> >>
>> >> Ban e-bikes completely, no matter how much car-hating bike advocates
>> >> scream and impatient New Yorkers gripe about their General Tso’s chicken
>> >> taking a few minutes longer to arrive.
>> >>
>> >> New Yorkers must watch out for muggers and crazies lurking under scaffolds
>> >> and on subway platforms. Now, since the state legalized e-bikes in 2020,
>> >> we put our lives on the line every time we step out of our homes in broad
>> >> daylight. It will be even worse as spring turns to summer. Citi Bikes just
>> >> began rolling out 1,500 more, fancier e-bikes to its 5,000-strong fleet.
>> >>
>> >> The new e-bikes have handlebar LED screens to show speed and directions.
>> >> Imagine, riders who rarely bother to look left or right can now focus all
>> >> their attention on a tiny, handlebars-mounted screen with sound!
>> >>
>> >> Incredibly, e-bike riders don’t need licenses. But the two-wheel terrors
>> >> are a license to kill and maim.
>> >>
>> >> The city that closes restaurants over a dead fly winks at the electric-
>> >> powered “pedal-boosting” bikes that bear down on hapless pedestrians at 25
>> >> mph — silently, often from the wrong direction, and frequently on
>> >> sidewalks (where not even regular bikes are allowed).
>> >>
>> >> Cycling proponents cite the pandemic for helping to popularize e-bikes.
>> >> The logic of that isn’t clear, unless it’s that the lockdowns of 2020 and
>> >> lingering, needless restrictions caused everyone to lose their minds.
>> >>
>> >> Politicians and biking “advocates” forever propose brainstorms to wish
>> >> away the e-bike carnage. Require licenses! Register the bikes! Install
>> >> more bike lanes! Tougher enforcement!
>> >>
>> >> But it would be easier to hold back a killer-bees invasion with a single
>> >> can of Raid. Our streets and sidewalks are overrun. With the number of e-
>> >> bike rides in the city more than doubling from 2.7 million in 2020 to 6.7
>> >> million last year, no Mickey Mouse-level tinkering could make a
>> >> difference.
>> >>
>> >> The Department of Transportation says there has been one death by e-bike
>> >> this year, and three in 2021. But the statistics, or lack thereof — the
>> >> agency does not break out non-fatal collisions — belie the disorder they
>> >> add to already near-lawless streets, and the dread they bring to millions
>> >> of New Yorkers every day.
>> >>
>> >> E-bikes scare the bejeezus out of everyone except the people riding them.
>> >> Elderly and less-mobile people rightly cower at their approach.
>> >>
>> >> Uptown and downtown, food deliverers zoom between restaurant sidewalk
>> >> seats and dining tents in the street heedless of traffic lights — or of
>> >> waiters who risk their lives bringing dishes to tables.
>> >>
>> >> E-bikers in my Upper East Side neighborhood play a game of chicken. Ha,
>> >> ha! Let’s see how close I can come to crippling you without hitting you!
>> >>
>> >> But there’s nothing funny about it.
>> >>
>> >> My friend, former New York Post writer Doree Lewak, was nearly killed by a
>> >> wrong-way e-bike four years ago. The hit-and-run strike on Sixth Avenue at
>> >> West 37th Street knocked out a half-dozen of her teeth, damaged ten more,
>> >> and left her with permanent injuries.
>> >>
>> >> “Gone Girl” actress Lisa Banes died of brain injuries last June after an
>> >> electric scooter, the e-bikes’ close cousin, ran her down on the Upper
>> >> West Side. An Upper West Side restaurant manager perished last summer
>> >> after being struck by an e-bike on Amsterdam Avenue.
>> >>
>> >> This year, the highest body count is so far among e-bikers themselves.
>> >> Among them: an off-duty NYPD cop who lost control in Flatbush; another
>> >> Brooklyn man run over by a car after his e-bike brakes locked, causing him
>> >> to be ejected; and one man killed and a second hurt when they drove their
>> >> e-bike into a parked truck in Gravesend.
>> >>
>> >> The damn things are a menace even when they aren’t even moving. Lithium
>> >> ion batteries were responsible for more than 40 fires, one of them fatal,
>> >> in the Big Apple so far this year.
>> >>
>> >> It won’t be easy for Mayor Adams, the City Council or the auto-hating DOT
>> >> to pull the e-bikes’ plug. Many “progressives” would like to see them
>> >> replace cars altogether.
>> >>
>> >> True leadership calls for guts. But I wouldn’t count on the pols and
>> >> bureaucrats finding their spines before the next tragedies that are
>> >> waiting to happen.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> "LOCKDOWN", left-wing COVID fearmongering. 95% of COVID infections
>> >> recover with no after effects.
>> >>
>> >> No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.
>> >> Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.
>> >>
>> >> Donald J. Trump, cheated out of a second term by fraudulent "mail-in"
>> >> ballots. Report voter fraud: sf.n...@mail.house.gov
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama / Biden
>> >> fiasco, President Trump.
>> >>
>> >> Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
>> >> The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
>> >> queer liberal democrat donors.
>> >>
>> >> President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions, appointed
>> >> dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.
>> >
>> >You might as well be spitting into the wind. The leftist here would rather be executed by their present leftist regime than say so much as a single word against them. Looking at the past postings it is easy to see why, not one of them has a hold on reality any tighter than on a billion dollars.
>> "The leftist here" ????
>>
>> But what is a "leftist"? the term is usually used to designate those
>> of a socialistic leaning... you know, those who are living on the
>> Government Dole.
>>
>> And I read:
>> "In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from
>> one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated
>> 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released
>> last October."
>> https://tinyurl.com/5ee3txts
>>
>> Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
>> And that was in reference to the 2012 Census. No telling what the
>> numbers are today.
>>
>> Whoops! Here is a later report:
>> "the Biden Administration’s revised Build Back Better Act would be by
>> far the largest increase in means-tested welfare spending in U.S.
>> history, piled on top of the existing welfare system that costs $1.16
>> trillion per year. The average poor family with children already
>> receives $65,200 in cash, food, housing, medical care, and educational
>> support from the taxpayer each year. The Biden plan would add at least
>> another $11,300, with payoffs to special-interest groups"
>> https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/largest-welfare-increase-us-history-will-boost-government-support-76400-poor-family
>
>I'd question those numbers. The $65,200 number in particular. The US Census says the median (50% above, 50% below) income in the USA in 2020 is $67,521. How could a poor family be considered poor if they are only $2,321 below the median for the whole USA? If you are only 3.4% below median income, are you really poor? Kind of like a poor guy only making $96,600 salary per year saying he is poor compared to his co-worker making $100,000. And if Joe gives another $11,300 to the poor people, then the poor would be making $76,500 per year. Or $8979 above median. I'm sure you cannot be called poor if you make that much more than median. We might run out of poor people in America. Then who would we judge and oppress? The USA needs poor people to maintain the hierarchy. Good people at the top and poor people at the bottom.
>
>https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-273.html
>

On 5/14/2022 8:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-7, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>> https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/beware-the-e-bike-menace-in-nyc-they-must-
>>> be-banned/
>>>
>>> Are you about to cross the street? Look both ways — and pray.
>>>
>>> The e-bike swarm makes a stroll to the other side so risky, it’s a wonder
>>> that pedestrians aren’t required to sign a liability release before
>>> stepping off the curb.
>>>
>>> The menace that sets New Yorkers scrambling for their lives at every
>>> corner calls for only one solution:
>>>
>>> Ban e-bikes completely, no matter how much car-hating bike advocates
>>> scream and impatient New Yorkers gripe about their General Tso’s chicken
>>> taking a few minutes longer to arrive.
>>>
>>> New Yorkers must watch out for muggers and crazies lurking under scaffolds
>>> and on subway platforms. Now, since the state legalized e-bikes in 2020,
>>> we put our lives on the line every time we step out of our homes in broad
>>> daylight. It will be even worse as spring turns to summer. Citi Bikes just
>>> began rolling out 1,500 more, fancier e-bikes to its 5,000-strong fleet.
>>>
>>> The new e-bikes have handlebar LED screens to show speed and directions.
>>> Imagine, riders who rarely bother to look left or right can now focus all
>>> their attention on a tiny, handlebars-mounted screen with sound!
>>>
>>> Incredibly, e-bike riders don’t need licenses. But the two-wheel terrors
>>> are a license to kill and maim.
>>>
>>> The city that closes restaurants over a dead fly winks at the electric-
>>> powered “pedal-boosting” bikes that bear down on hapless pedestrians at 25
>>> mph — silently, often from the wrong direction, and frequently on
>>> sidewalks (where not even regular bikes are allowed).
>>>
>>> Cycling proponents cite the pandemic for helping to popularize e-bikes.
>>> The logic of that isn’t clear, unless it’s that the lockdowns of 2020 and
>>> lingering, needless restrictions caused everyone to lose their minds.
>>>
>>> Politicians and biking “advocates” forever propose brainstorms to wish
>>> away the e-bike carnage. Require licenses! Register the bikes! Install
>>> more bike lanes! Tougher enforcement!
>>>
>>> But it would be easier to hold back a killer-bees invasion with a single
>>> can of Raid. Our streets and sidewalks are overrun. With the number of e-
>>> bike rides in the city more than doubling from 2.7 million in 2020 to 6.7
>>> million last year, no Mickey Mouse-level tinkering could make a
>>> difference.
>>>
>>> The Department of Transportation says there has been one death by e-bike
>>> this year, and three in 2021. But the statistics, or lack thereof — the
>>> agency does not break out non-fatal collisions — belie the disorder they
>>> add to already near-lawless streets, and the dread they bring to millions
>>> of New Yorkers every day.
>>>
>>> E-bikes scare the bejeezus out of everyone except the people riding them.
>>> Elderly and less-mobile people rightly cower at their approach.
>>>
>>> Uptown and downtown, food deliverers zoom between restaurant sidewalk
>>> seats and dining tents in the street heedless of traffic lights — or of
>>> waiters who risk their lives bringing dishes to tables.
>>>
>>> E-bikers in my Upper East Side neighborhood play a game of chicken. Ha,
>>> ha! Let’s see how close I can come to crippling you without hitting you!
>>>
>>> But there’s nothing funny about it.
>>>
>>> My friend, former New York Post writer Doree Lewak, was nearly killed by a
>>> wrong-way e-bike four years ago. The hit-and-run strike on Sixth Avenue at
>>> West 37th Street knocked out a half-dozen of her teeth, damaged ten more,
>>> and left her with permanent injuries.
>>>
>>> “Gone Girl” actress Lisa Banes died of brain injuries last June after an
>>> electric scooter, the e-bikes’ close cousin, ran her down on the Upper
>>> West Side. An Upper West Side restaurant manager perished last summer
>>> after being struck by an e-bike on Amsterdam Avenue.
>>>
>>> This year, the highest body count is so far among e-bikers themselves.
>>> Among them: an off-duty NYPD cop who lost control in Flatbush; another
>>> Brooklyn man run over by a car after his e-bike brakes locked, causing him
>>> to be ejected; and one man killed and a second hurt when they drove their
>>> e-bike into a parked truck in Gravesend.
>>>
>>> The damn things are a menace even when they aren’t even moving. Lithium
>>> ion batteries were responsible for more than 40 fires, one of them fatal,
>>> in the Big Apple so far this year.
>>>
>>> It won’t be easy for Mayor Adams, the City Council or the auto-hating DOT
>>> to pull the e-bikes’ plug. Many “progressives” would like to see them
>>> replace cars altogether.
>>>
>>> True leadership calls for guts. But I wouldn’t count on the pols and
>>> bureaucrats finding their spines before the next tragedies that are
>>> waiting to happen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "LOCKDOWN", left-wing COVID fearmongering. 95% of COVID infections
>>> recover with no after effects.
>>>
>>> No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.
>>> Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.
>>>
>>> Donald J. Trump, cheated out of a second term by fraudulent "mail-in"
>>> ballots. Report voter fraud: sf.n...@mail.house.gov
>>>
>>> Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama / Biden
>>> fiasco, President Trump.
>>>
>>> Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
>>> The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
>>> queer liberal democrat donors.
>>>
>>> President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions, appointed
>>> dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.
>>
>> You might as well be spitting into the wind. The leftist here would rather be executed by their present leftist regime than say so much as a single word against them. Looking at the past postings it is easy to see why, not one of them has a hold on reality any tighter than on a billion dollars.
>
> "The leftist here" ????
>
> But what is a "leftist"? the term is usually used to designate those
> of a socialistic leaning... you know, those who are living on the
> Government Dole.
>
> And I read:
> "In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from
> one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated
> 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released
> last October."
> https://tinyurl.com/5ee3txts
>
> Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
> And that was in reference to the 2012 Census. No telling what the
> numbers are today.
>
> Whoops! Here is a later report:
> "the Biden Administration’s revised Build Back Better Act would be by
> far the largest increase in means-tested welfare spending in U.S.
> history, piled on top of the existing welfare system that costs $1.16
> trillion per year. The average poor family with children already
> receives $65,200 in cash, food, housing, medical care, and educational
> support from the taxpayer each year. The Biden plan would add at least
> another $11,300, with payoffs to special-interest groups"
> https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/largest-welfare-increase-us-history-will-boost-government-support-76400-poor-family
>
> Gee.. 65,200/52 is $1253 a week, if no vacation is taken.
> So... something like half of the U.S. population is getting all this
> "bread" and you talk about "leftists", "Socialists" and "Communists".

>"Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".

Yes, that would seem to be the problem.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/14/2022 8:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-7, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
> >>> https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/beware-the-e-bike-menace-in-nyc-they-must-
> >>> be-banned/
> >>>
> >>> Are you about to cross the street? Look both ways — and pray.
> >>>
> >>> The e-bike swarm makes a stroll to the other side so risky, it’s a wonder
> >>> that pedestrians aren’t required to sign a liability release before
> >>> stepping off the curb.
> >>>
> >>> The menace that sets New Yorkers scrambling for their lives at every
> >>> corner calls for only one solution:
> >>>
> >>> Ban e-bikes completely, no matter how much car-hating bike advocates
> >>> scream and impatient New Yorkers gripe about their General Tso’s chicken
> >>> taking a few minutes longer to arrive.
> >>>
> >>> New Yorkers must watch out for muggers and crazies lurking under scaffolds
> >>> and on subway platforms. Now, since the state legalized e-bikes in 2020,
> >>> we put our lives on the line every time we step out of our homes in broad
> >>> daylight. It will be even worse as spring turns to summer. Citi Bikes just
> >>> began rolling out 1,500 more, fancier e-bikes to its 5,000-strong fleet.
> >>>
> >>> The new e-bikes have handlebar LED screens to show speed and directions.
> >>> Imagine, riders who rarely bother to look left or right can now focus all
> >>> their attention on a tiny, handlebars-mounted screen with sound!
> >>>
> >>> Incredibly, e-bike riders don’t need licenses. But the two-wheel terrors
> >>> are a license to kill and maim.
> >>>
> >>> The city that closes restaurants over a dead fly winks at the electric-
> >>> powered “pedal-boosting” bikes that bear down on hapless pedestrians at 25
> >>> mph — silently, often from the wrong direction, and frequently on
> >>> sidewalks (where not even regular bikes are allowed).
> >>>
> >>> Cycling proponents cite the pandemic for helping to popularize e-bikes.
> >>> The logic of that isn’t clear, unless it’s that the lockdowns of 2020 and
> >>> lingering, needless restrictions caused everyone to lose their minds.
> >>>
> >>> Politicians and biking “advocates” forever propose brainstorms to wish
> >>> away the e-bike carnage. Require licenses! Register the bikes! Install
> >>> more bike lanes! Tougher enforcement!
> >>>
> >>> But it would be easier to hold back a killer-bees invasion with a single
> >>> can of Raid. Our streets and sidewalks are overrun. With the number of e-
> >>> bike rides in the city more than doubling from 2.7 million in 2020 to 6.7
> >>> million last year, no Mickey Mouse-level tinkering could make a
> >>> difference.
> >>>
> >>> The Department of Transportation says there has been one death by e-bike
> >>> this year, and three in 2021. But the statistics, or lack thereof — the
> >>> agency does not break out non-fatal collisions — belie the disorder they
> >>> add to already near-lawless streets, and the dread they bring to millions
> >>> of New Yorkers every day.
> >>>
> >>> E-bikes scare the bejeezus out of everyone except the people riding them.
> >>> Elderly and less-mobile people rightly cower at their approach.
> >>>
> >>> Uptown and downtown, food deliverers zoom between restaurant sidewalk
> >>> seats and dining tents in the street heedless of traffic lights — or of
> >>> waiters who risk their lives bringing dishes to tables.
> >>>
> >>> E-bikers in my Upper East Side neighborhood play a game of chicken. Ha,
> >>> ha! Let’s see how close I can come to crippling you without hitting you!
> >>>
> >>> But there’s nothing funny about it.
> >>>
> >>> My friend, former New York Post writer Doree Lewak, was nearly killed by a
> >>> wrong-way e-bike four years ago. The hit-and-run strike on Sixth Avenue at
> >>> West 37th Street knocked out a half-dozen of her teeth, damaged ten more,
> >>> and left her with permanent injuries.
> >>>
> >>> “Gone Girl” actress Lisa Banes died of brain injuries last June after an
> >>> electric scooter, the e-bikes’ close cousin, ran her down on the Upper
> >>> West Side. An Upper West Side restaurant manager perished last summer
> >>> after being struck by an e-bike on Amsterdam Avenue.
> >>>
> >>> This year, the highest body count is so far among e-bikers themselves..
> >>> Among them: an off-duty NYPD cop who lost control in Flatbush; another
> >>> Brooklyn man run over by a car after his e-bike brakes locked, causing him
> >>> to be ejected; and one man killed and a second hurt when they drove their
> >>> e-bike into a parked truck in Gravesend.
> >>>
> >>> The damn things are a menace even when they aren’t even moving. Lithium
> >>> ion batteries were responsible for more than 40 fires, one of them fatal,
> >>> in the Big Apple so far this year.
> >>>
> >>> It won’t be easy for Mayor Adams, the City Council or the auto-hating DOT
> >>> to pull the e-bikes’ plug. Many “progressives” would like to see them
> >>> replace cars altogether.
> >>>
> >>> True leadership calls for guts. But I wouldn’t count on the pols and
> >>> bureaucrats finding their spines before the next tragedies that are
> >>> waiting to happen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> "LOCKDOWN", left-wing COVID fearmongering. 95% of COVID infections
> >>> recover with no after effects.
> >>>
> >>> No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.
> >>> Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.
> >>>
> >>> Donald J. Trump, cheated out of a second term by fraudulent "mail-in"
> >>> ballots. Report voter fraud: sf.n...@mail.house.gov
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama / Biden
> >>> fiasco, President Trump.
> >>>
> >>> Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
> >>> The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
> >>> queer liberal democrat donors.
> >>>
> >>> President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions, appointed
> >>> dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.
> >>
> >> You might as well be spitting into the wind. The leftist here would rather be executed by their present leftist regime than say so much as a single word against them. Looking at the past postings it is easy to see why, not one of them has a hold on reality any tighter than on a billion dollars.
> >
> > "The leftist here" ????
> >
> > But what is a "leftist"? the term is usually used to designate those
> > of a socialistic leaning... you know, those who are living on the
> > Government Dole.
> >
> > And I read:
> > "In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from
> > one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated
> > 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released
> > last October."
> > https://tinyurl.com/5ee3txts
> >
> > Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
> > And that was in reference to the 2012 Census. No telling what the
> > numbers are today.
> >
> > Whoops! Here is a later report:
> > "the Biden Administration’s revised Build Back Better Act would be by
> > far the largest increase in means-tested welfare spending in U.S.
> > history, piled on top of the existing welfare system that costs $1.16
> > trillion per year. The average poor family with children already
> > receives $65,200 in cash, food, housing, medical care, and educational
> > support from the taxpayer each year. The Biden plan would add at least
> > another $11,300, with payoffs to special-interest groups"
> > https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/largest-welfare-increase-us-history-will-boost-government-support-76400-poor-family
> >
> > Gee.. 65,200/52 is $1253 a week, if no vacation is taken.
> > So... something like half of the U.S. population is getting all this
> > "bread" and you talk about "leftists", "Socialists" and "Communists".
>
>
> >"Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
> Yes, that would seem to be the problem.

On Sun, 15 May 2022 09:11:11 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 5/14/2022 8:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-7, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/beware-the-e-bike-menace-in-nyc-they-must-
>>>> be-banned/
>>>>
>>>> Are you about to cross the street? Look both ways — and pray.
>>>>
>>>> The e-bike swarm makes a stroll to the other side so risky, it’s a wonder
>>>> that pedestrians aren’t required to sign a liability release before
>>>> stepping off the curb.
>>>>
>>>> The menace that sets New Yorkers scrambling for their lives at every
>>>> corner calls for only one solution:
>>>>
>>>> Ban e-bikes completely, no matter how much car-hating bike advocates
>>>> scream and impatient New Yorkers gripe about their General Tso’s chicken
>>>> taking a few minutes longer to arrive.
>>>>
>>>> New Yorkers must watch out for muggers and crazies lurking under scaffolds
>>>> and on subway platforms. Now, since the state legalized e-bikes in 2020,
>>>> we put our lives on the line every time we step out of our homes in broad
>>>> daylight. It will be even worse as spring turns to summer. Citi Bikes just
>>>> began rolling out 1,500 more, fancier e-bikes to its 5,000-strong fleet.
>>>>
>>>> The new e-bikes have handlebar LED screens to show speed and directions.
>>>> Imagine, riders who rarely bother to look left or right can now focus all
>>>> their attention on a tiny, handlebars-mounted screen with sound!
>>>>
>>>> Incredibly, e-bike riders don’t need licenses. But the two-wheel terrors
>>>> are a license to kill and maim.
>>>>
>>>> The city that closes restaurants over a dead fly winks at the electric-
>>>> powered “pedal-boosting” bikes that bear down on hapless pedestrians at 25
>>>> mph — silently, often from the wrong direction, and frequently on
>>>> sidewalks (where not even regular bikes are allowed).
>>>>
>>>> Cycling proponents cite the pandemic for helping to popularize e-bikes.
>>>> The logic of that isn’t clear, unless it’s that the lockdowns of 2020 and
>>>> lingering, needless restrictions caused everyone to lose their minds.
>>>>
>>>> Politicians and biking “advocates” forever propose brainstorms to wish
>>>> away the e-bike carnage. Require licenses! Register the bikes! Install
>>>> more bike lanes! Tougher enforcement!
>>>>
>>>> But it would be easier to hold back a killer-bees invasion with a single
>>>> can of Raid. Our streets and sidewalks are overrun. With the number of e-
>>>> bike rides in the city more than doubling from 2.7 million in 2020 to 6.7
>>>> million last year, no Mickey Mouse-level tinkering could make a
>>>> difference.
>>>>
>>>> The Department of Transportation says there has been one death by e-bike
>>>> this year, and three in 2021. But the statistics, or lack thereof — the
>>>> agency does not break out non-fatal collisions — belie the disorder they
>>>> add to already near-lawless streets, and the dread they bring to millions
>>>> of New Yorkers every day.
>>>>
>>>> E-bikes scare the bejeezus out of everyone except the people riding them.
>>>> Elderly and less-mobile people rightly cower at their approach.
>>>>
>>>> Uptown and downtown, food deliverers zoom between restaurant sidewalk
>>>> seats and dining tents in the street heedless of traffic lights — or of
>>>> waiters who risk their lives bringing dishes to tables.
>>>>
>>>> E-bikers in my Upper East Side neighborhood play a game of chicken. Ha,
>>>> ha! Let’s see how close I can come to crippling you without hitting you!
>>>>
>>>> But there’s nothing funny about it.
>>>>
>>>> My friend, former New York Post writer Doree Lewak, was nearly killed by a
>>>> wrong-way e-bike four years ago. The hit-and-run strike on Sixth Avenue at
>>>> West 37th Street knocked out a half-dozen of her teeth, damaged ten more,
>>>> and left her with permanent injuries.
>>>>
>>>> “Gone Girl” actress Lisa Banes died of brain injuries last June after an
>>>> electric scooter, the e-bikes’ close cousin, ran her down on the Upper
>>>> West Side. An Upper West Side restaurant manager perished last summer
>>>> after being struck by an e-bike on Amsterdam Avenue.
>>>>
>>>> This year, the highest body count is so far among e-bikers themselves.
>>>> Among them: an off-duty NYPD cop who lost control in Flatbush; another
>>>> Brooklyn man run over by a car after his e-bike brakes locked, causing him
>>>> to be ejected; and one man killed and a second hurt when they drove their
>>>> e-bike into a parked truck in Gravesend.
>>>>
>>>> The damn things are a menace even when they aren’t even moving. Lithium
>>>> ion batteries were responsible for more than 40 fires, one of them fatal,
>>>> in the Big Apple so far this year.
>>>>
>>>> It won’t be easy for Mayor Adams, the City Council or the auto-hating DOT
>>>> to pull the e-bikes’ plug. Many “progressives” would like to see them
>>>> replace cars altogether.
>>>>
>>>> True leadership calls for guts. But I wouldn’t count on the pols and
>>>> bureaucrats finding their spines before the next tragedies that are
>>>> waiting to happen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "LOCKDOWN", left-wing COVID fearmongering. 95% of COVID infections
>>>> recover with no after effects.
>>>>
>>>> No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.
>>>> Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.
>>>>
>>>> Donald J. Trump, cheated out of a second term by fraudulent "mail-in"
>>>> ballots. Report voter fraud: sf.n...@mail.house.gov
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama / Biden
>>>> fiasco, President Trump.
>>>>
>>>> Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
>>>> The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
>>>> queer liberal democrat donors.
>>>>
>>>> President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions, appointed
>>>> dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.
>>>
>>> You might as well be spitting into the wind. The leftist here would rather be executed by their present leftist regime than say so much as a single word against them. Looking at the past postings it is easy to see why, not one of them has a hold on reality any tighter than on a billion dollars.
>>
>> "The leftist here" ????
>>
>> But what is a "leftist"? the term is usually used to designate those
>> of a socialistic leaning... you know, those who are living on the
>> Government Dole.
>>
>> And I read:
>> "In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from
>> one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated
>> 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released
>> last October."
>> https://tinyurl.com/5ee3txts
>>
>> Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
>> And that was in reference to the 2012 Census. No telling what the
>> numbers are today.
>>
>> Whoops! Here is a later report:
>> "the Biden Administration’s revised Build Back Better Act would be by
>> far the largest increase in means-tested welfare spending in U.S.
>> history, piled on top of the existing welfare system that costs $1.16
>> trillion per year. The average poor family with children already
>> receives $65,200 in cash, food, housing, medical care, and educational
>> support from the taxpayer each year. The Biden plan would add at least
>> another $11,300, with payoffs to special-interest groups"
>> https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/largest-welfare-increase-us-history-will-boost-government-support-76400-poor-family
>>
>> Gee.. 65,200/52 is $1253 a week, if no vacation is taken.
>> So... something like half of the U.S. population is getting all this
>> "bread" and you talk about "leftists", "Socialists" and "Communists".
>
>
>>"Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
>
>
>Yes, that would seem to be the problem.

On Sun, 15 May 2022 08:34:00 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/14/2022 8:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>> > On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-7, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>> >>> https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/beware-the-e-bike-menace-in-nyc-they-must-
>> >>> be-banned/
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you about to cross the street? Look both ways — and pray.
>> >>>
>> >>> The e-bike swarm makes a stroll to the other side so risky, it’s a wonder
>> >>> that pedestrians aren’t required to sign a liability release before
>> >>> stepping off the curb.
>> >>>
>> >>> The menace that sets New Yorkers scrambling for their lives at every
>> >>> corner calls for only one solution:
>> >>>
>> >>> Ban e-bikes completely, no matter how much car-hating bike advocates
>> >>> scream and impatient New Yorkers gripe about their General Tso’s chicken
>> >>> taking a few minutes longer to arrive.
>> >>>
>> >>> New Yorkers must watch out for muggers and crazies lurking under scaffolds
>> >>> and on subway platforms. Now, since the state legalized e-bikes in 2020,
>> >>> we put our lives on the line every time we step out of our homes in broad
>> >>> daylight. It will be even worse as spring turns to summer. Citi Bikes just
>> >>> began rolling out 1,500 more, fancier e-bikes to its 5,000-strong fleet.
>> >>>
>> >>> The new e-bikes have handlebar LED screens to show speed and directions.
>> >>> Imagine, riders who rarely bother to look left or right can now focus all
>> >>> their attention on a tiny, handlebars-mounted screen with sound!
>> >>>
>> >>> Incredibly, e-bike riders don’t need licenses. But the two-wheel terrors
>> >>> are a license to kill and maim.
>> >>>
>> >>> The city that closes restaurants over a dead fly winks at the electric-
>> >>> powered “pedal-boosting” bikes that bear down on hapless pedestrians at 25
>> >>> mph — silently, often from the wrong direction, and frequently on
>> >>> sidewalks (where not even regular bikes are allowed).
>> >>>
>> >>> Cycling proponents cite the pandemic for helping to popularize e-bikes.
>> >>> The logic of that isn’t clear, unless it’s that the lockdowns of 2020 and
>> >>> lingering, needless restrictions caused everyone to lose their minds.
>> >>>
>> >>> Politicians and biking “advocates” forever propose brainstorms to wish
>> >>> away the e-bike carnage. Require licenses! Register the bikes! Install
>> >>> more bike lanes! Tougher enforcement!
>> >>>
>> >>> But it would be easier to hold back a killer-bees invasion with a single
>> >>> can of Raid. Our streets and sidewalks are overrun. With the number of e-
>> >>> bike rides in the city more than doubling from 2.7 million in 2020 to 6.7
>> >>> million last year, no Mickey Mouse-level tinkering could make a
>> >>> difference.
>> >>>
>> >>> The Department of Transportation says there has been one death by e-bike
>> >>> this year, and three in 2021. But the statistics, or lack thereof — the
>> >>> agency does not break out non-fatal collisions — belie the disorder they
>> >>> add to already near-lawless streets, and the dread they bring to millions
>> >>> of New Yorkers every day.
>> >>>
>> >>> E-bikes scare the bejeezus out of everyone except the people riding them.
>> >>> Elderly and less-mobile people rightly cower at their approach.
>> >>>
>> >>> Uptown and downtown, food deliverers zoom between restaurant sidewalk
>> >>> seats and dining tents in the street heedless of traffic lights — or of
>> >>> waiters who risk their lives bringing dishes to tables.
>> >>>
>> >>> E-bikers in my Upper East Side neighborhood play a game of chicken. Ha,
>> >>> ha! Let’s see how close I can come to crippling you without hitting you!
>> >>>
>> >>> But there’s nothing funny about it.
>> >>>
>> >>> My friend, former New York Post writer Doree Lewak, was nearly killed by a
>> >>> wrong-way e-bike four years ago. The hit-and-run strike on Sixth Avenue at
>> >>> West 37th Street knocked out a half-dozen of her teeth, damaged ten more,
>> >>> and left her with permanent injuries.
>> >>>
>> >>> “Gone Girl” actress Lisa Banes died of brain injuries last June after an
>> >>> electric scooter, the e-bikes’ close cousin, ran her down on the Upper
>> >>> West Side. An Upper West Side restaurant manager perished last summer
>> >>> after being struck by an e-bike on Amsterdam Avenue.
>> >>>
>> >>> This year, the highest body count is so far among e-bikers themselves.
>> >>> Among them: an off-duty NYPD cop who lost control in Flatbush; another
>> >>> Brooklyn man run over by a car after his e-bike brakes locked, causing him
>> >>> to be ejected; and one man killed and a second hurt when they drove their
>> >>> e-bike into a parked truck in Gravesend.
>> >>>
>> >>> The damn things are a menace even when they aren’t even moving. Lithium
>> >>> ion batteries were responsible for more than 40 fires, one of them fatal,
>> >>> in the Big Apple so far this year.
>> >>>
>> >>> It won’t be easy for Mayor Adams, the City Council or the auto-hating DOT
>> >>> to pull the e-bikes’ plug. Many “progressives” would like to see them
>> >>> replace cars altogether.
>> >>>
>> >>> True leadership calls for guts. But I wouldn’t count on the pols and
>> >>> bureaucrats finding their spines before the next tragedies that are
>> >>> waiting to happen.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> "LOCKDOWN", left-wing COVID fearmongering. 95% of COVID infections
>> >>> recover with no after effects.
>> >>>
>> >>> No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.
>> >>> Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.
>> >>>
>> >>> Donald J. Trump, cheated out of a second term by fraudulent "mail-in"
>> >>> ballots. Report voter fraud: sf.n...@mail.house.gov
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama / Biden
>> >>> fiasco, President Trump.
>> >>>
>> >>> Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
>> >>> The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
>> >>> queer liberal democrat donors.
>> >>>
>> >>> President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions, appointed
>> >>> dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.
>> >>
>> >> You might as well be spitting into the wind. The leftist here would rather be executed by their present leftist regime than say so much as a single word against them. Looking at the past postings it is easy to see why, not one of them has a hold on reality any tighter than on a billion dollars.
>> >
>> > "The leftist here" ????
>> >
>> > But what is a "leftist"? the term is usually used to designate those
>> > of a socialistic leaning... you know, those who are living on the
>> > Government Dole.
>> >
>> > And I read:
>> > "In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from
>> > one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated
>> > 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released
>> > last October."
>> > https://tinyurl.com/5ee3txts
>> >
>> > Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
>> > And that was in reference to the 2012 Census. No telling what the
>> > numbers are today.
>> >
>> > Whoops! Here is a later report:
>> > "the Biden Administration’s revised Build Back Better Act would be by
>> > far the largest increase in means-tested welfare spending in U.S.
>> > history, piled on top of the existing welfare system that costs $1.16
>> > trillion per year. The average poor family with children already
>> > receives $65,200 in cash, food, housing, medical care, and educational
>> > support from the taxpayer each year. The Biden plan would add at least
>> > another $11,300, with payoffs to special-interest groups"
>> > https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/largest-welfare-increase-us-history-will-boost-government-support-76400-poor-family
>> >
>> > Gee.. 65,200/52 is $1253 a week, if no vacation is taken.
>> > So... something like half of the U.S. population is getting all this
>> > "bread" and you talk about "leftists", "Socialists" and "Communists".
>>
>>
>> >"Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
>> Yes, that would seem to be the problem.
>
>I see that John believes that if a person takes money being handed to him that he is of definition a communist. He also has the belief that communist is somehow different than socialist. The only difference is in name alone. When the Russian socialist party went to register as a party, the name socialist was already taken so they registered as communist. Don't you find it comical that people like Frank and John that they spew communist crap and can't even recognize it for what it is? When you're so stupid that you cannot recognize social security as nothing more than a self paid retirement fund you're not able to understand anything. But stupid people remain stupid no matter what.

On 5/15/2022 9:33 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 08:34:00 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 5/14/2022 8:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-7, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/beware-the-e-bike-menace-in-nyc-they-must-
>>>>>> be-banned/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you about to cross the street? Look both ways — and pray.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The e-bike swarm makes a stroll to the other side so risky, it’s a wonder
>>>>>> that pedestrians aren’t required to sign a liability release before
>>>>>> stepping off the curb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The menace that sets New Yorkers scrambling for their lives at every
>>>>>> corner calls for only one solution:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ban e-bikes completely, no matter how much car-hating bike advocates
>>>>>> scream and impatient New Yorkers gripe about their General Tso’s chicken
>>>>>> taking a few minutes longer to arrive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New Yorkers must watch out for muggers and crazies lurking under scaffolds
>>>>>> and on subway platforms. Now, since the state legalized e-bikes in 2020,
>>>>>> we put our lives on the line every time we step out of our homes in broad
>>>>>> daylight. It will be even worse as spring turns to summer. Citi Bikes just
>>>>>> began rolling out 1,500 more, fancier e-bikes to its 5,000-strong fleet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The new e-bikes have handlebar LED screens to show speed and directions.
>>>>>> Imagine, riders who rarely bother to look left or right can now focus all
>>>>>> their attention on a tiny, handlebars-mounted screen with sound!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incredibly, e-bike riders don’t need licenses. But the two-wheel terrors
>>>>>> are a license to kill and maim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The city that closes restaurants over a dead fly winks at the electric-
>>>>>> powered “pedal-boosting” bikes that bear down on hapless pedestrians at 25
>>>>>> mph — silently, often from the wrong direction, and frequently on
>>>>>> sidewalks (where not even regular bikes are allowed).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cycling proponents cite the pandemic for helping to popularize e-bikes.
>>>>>> The logic of that isn’t clear, unless it’s that the lockdowns of 2020 and
>>>>>> lingering, needless restrictions caused everyone to lose their minds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Politicians and biking “advocates” forever propose brainstorms to wish
>>>>>> away the e-bike carnage. Require licenses! Register the bikes! Install
>>>>>> more bike lanes! Tougher enforcement!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it would be easier to hold back a killer-bees invasion with a single
>>>>>> can of Raid. Our streets and sidewalks are overrun. With the number of e-
>>>>>> bike rides in the city more than doubling from 2.7 million in 2020 to 6.7
>>>>>> million last year, no Mickey Mouse-level tinkering could make a
>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Department of Transportation says there has been one death by e-bike
>>>>>> this year, and three in 2021. But the statistics, or lack thereof — the
>>>>>> agency does not break out non-fatal collisions — belie the disorder they
>>>>>> add to already near-lawless streets, and the dread they bring to millions
>>>>>> of New Yorkers every day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> E-bikes scare the bejeezus out of everyone except the people riding them.
>>>>>> Elderly and less-mobile people rightly cower at their approach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uptown and downtown, food deliverers zoom between restaurant sidewalk
>>>>>> seats and dining tents in the street heedless of traffic lights — or of
>>>>>> waiters who risk their lives bringing dishes to tables.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> E-bikers in my Upper East Side neighborhood play a game of chicken. Ha,
>>>>>> ha! Let’s see how close I can come to crippling you without hitting you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there’s nothing funny about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My friend, former New York Post writer Doree Lewak, was nearly killed by a
>>>>>> wrong-way e-bike four years ago. The hit-and-run strike on Sixth Avenue at
>>>>>> West 37th Street knocked out a half-dozen of her teeth, damaged ten more,
>>>>>> and left her with permanent injuries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Gone Girl” actress Lisa Banes died of brain injuries last June after an
>>>>>> electric scooter, the e-bikes’ close cousin, ran her down on the Upper
>>>>>> West Side. An Upper West Side restaurant manager perished last summer
>>>>>> after being struck by an e-bike on Amsterdam Avenue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This year, the highest body count is so far among e-bikers themselves.
>>>>>> Among them: an off-duty NYPD cop who lost control in Flatbush; another
>>>>>> Brooklyn man run over by a car after his e-bike brakes locked, causing him
>>>>>> to be ejected; and one man killed and a second hurt when they drove their
>>>>>> e-bike into a parked truck in Gravesend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The damn things are a menace even when they aren’t even moving. Lithium
>>>>>> ion batteries were responsible for more than 40 fires, one of them fatal,
>>>>>> in the Big Apple so far this year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It won’t be easy for Mayor Adams, the City Council or the auto-hating DOT
>>>>>> to pull the e-bikes’ plug. Many “progressives” would like to see them
>>>>>> replace cars altogether.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True leadership calls for guts. But I wouldn’t count on the pols and
>>>>>> bureaucrats finding their spines before the next tragedies that are
>>>>>> waiting to happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> "LOCKDOWN", left-wing COVID fearmongering. 95% of COVID infections
>>>>>> recover with no after effects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.
>>>>>> Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Donald J. Trump, cheated out of a second term by fraudulent "mail-in"
>>>>>> ballots. Report voter fraud: sf.n...@mail.house.gov
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama / Biden
>>>>>> fiasco, President Trump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
>>>>>> The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
>>>>>> queer liberal democrat donors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions, appointed
>>>>>> dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might as well be spitting into the wind. The leftist here would rather be executed by their present leftist regime than say so much as a single word against them. Looking at the past postings it is easy to see why, not one of them has a hold on reality any tighter than on a billion dollars.
>>>>
>>>> "The leftist here" ????
>>>>
>>>> But what is a "leftist"? the term is usually used to designate those
>>>> of a socialistic leaning... you know, those who are living on the
>>>> Government Dole.
>>>>
>>>> And I read:
>>>> "In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from
>>>> one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated
>>>> 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released
>>>> last October."
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/5ee3txts
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
>>>> And that was in reference to the 2012 Census. No telling what the
>>>> numbers are today.
>>>>
>>>> Whoops! Here is a later report:
>>>> "the Biden Administration’s revised Build Back Better Act would be by
>>>> far the largest increase in means-tested welfare spending in U.S.
>>>> history, piled on top of the existing welfare system that costs $1.16
>>>> trillion per year. The average poor family with children already
>>>> receives $65,200 in cash, food, housing, medical care, and educational
>>>> support from the taxpayer each year. The Biden plan would add at least
>>>> another $11,300, with payoffs to special-interest groups"
>>>> https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/largest-welfare-increase-us-history-will-boost-government-support-76400-poor-family
>>>>
>>>> Gee.. 65,200/52 is $1253 a week, if no vacation is taken.
>>>> So... something like half of the U.S. population is getting all this
>>>> "bread" and you talk about "leftists", "Socialists" and "Communists".
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
>>> Yes, that would seem to be the problem.
>>
>> I see that John believes that if a person takes money being handed to him that he is of definition a communist. He also has the belief that communist is somehow different than socialist. The only difference is in name alone. When the Russian socialist party went to register as a party, the name socialist was already taken so they registered as communist. Don't you find it comical that people like Frank and John that they spew communist crap and can't even recognize it for what it is? When you're so stupid that you cannot recognize social security as nothing more than a self paid retirement fund you're not able to understand anything. But stupid people remain stupid no matter what.
>
> No Tommy, I didn't say that. And yes there is a difference, albeit
> small in come cases, between socialism and communism, although
> admittedly things blur in usage. But basically communism controls the
> entire economy, N. Vietnam and China, in the old days, are examples.
>
> Socialism, as the perhaps more modern usage, is the government taking
> care of the population while allowing some, perhaps all, businesses to
> be owned and managed outside the government. (sort of in the direction
> the U.S. is headed)
>
> N. Korea and (I believe) Cuba are pure Communist governments while the
> Scandinavian countries and modern China (to some extent) are examples
> of the modern form of Socialism. In these terms socialism if a far
> more efficient system then communism while still providing the same
> advantages.
>
> Your description of the Russians using "Communism" because the name
> "socialist" was already taken is illogical to the point that it is
> just plain silly.
>
> After the Russian revolution of 1917 two political parties formed, the
> Bolsheviks were a far-left party, led by Vladimir Lenin and the
> Mensheviks. Mensheviks is a Russian word meaning "minority"while
> Bolshevik means majority. The two words were used in reference to
> members of the Russian Congress. In November 1917, Bolsheviks
> overthrowing the Provisional Government became the only ruling party
> in the subsequent Soviet Russia.
>
> And as the winning party could, and did, just as they damn pleased
> including naming things as they pleased.
>

On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 5/15/2022 9:33 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 08:34:00 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 5/14/2022 8:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-7, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/beware-the-e-bike-menace-in-nyc-they-must-
>>>>>>> be-banned/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you about to cross the street? Look both ways — and pray.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The e-bike swarm makes a stroll to the other side so risky, it’s a wonder
>>>>>>> that pedestrians aren’t required to sign a liability release before
>>>>>>> stepping off the curb.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The menace that sets New Yorkers scrambling for their lives at every
>>>>>>> corner calls for only one solution:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ban e-bikes completely, no matter how much car-hating bike advocates
>>>>>>> scream and impatient New Yorkers gripe about their General Tso’s chicken
>>>>>>> taking a few minutes longer to arrive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New Yorkers must watch out for muggers and crazies lurking under scaffolds
>>>>>>> and on subway platforms. Now, since the state legalized e-bikes in 2020,
>>>>>>> we put our lives on the line every time we step out of our homes in broad
>>>>>>> daylight. It will be even worse as spring turns to summer. Citi Bikes just
>>>>>>> began rolling out 1,500 more, fancier e-bikes to its 5,000-strong fleet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The new e-bikes have handlebar LED screens to show speed and directions.
>>>>>>> Imagine, riders who rarely bother to look left or right can now focus all
>>>>>>> their attention on a tiny, handlebars-mounted screen with sound!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Incredibly, e-bike riders don’t need licenses. But the two-wheel terrors
>>>>>>> are a license to kill and maim.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The city that closes restaurants over a dead fly winks at the electric-
>>>>>>> powered “pedal-boosting” bikes that bear down on hapless pedestrians at 25
>>>>>>> mph — silently, often from the wrong direction, and frequently on
>>>>>>> sidewalks (where not even regular bikes are allowed).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cycling proponents cite the pandemic for helping to popularize e-bikes.
>>>>>>> The logic of that isn’t clear, unless it’s that the lockdowns of 2020 and
>>>>>>> lingering, needless restrictions caused everyone to lose their minds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Politicians and biking “advocates” forever propose brainstorms to wish
>>>>>>> away the e-bike carnage. Require licenses! Register the bikes! Install
>>>>>>> more bike lanes! Tougher enforcement!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it would be easier to hold back a killer-bees invasion with a single
>>>>>>> can of Raid. Our streets and sidewalks are overrun. With the number of e-
>>>>>>> bike rides in the city more than doubling from 2.7 million in 2020 to 6.7
>>>>>>> million last year, no Mickey Mouse-level tinkering could make a
>>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Department of Transportation says there has been one death by e-bike
>>>>>>> this year, and three in 2021. But the statistics, or lack thereof — the
>>>>>>> agency does not break out non-fatal collisions — belie the disorder they
>>>>>>> add to already near-lawless streets, and the dread they bring to millions
>>>>>>> of New Yorkers every day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E-bikes scare the bejeezus out of everyone except the people riding them.
>>>>>>> Elderly and less-mobile people rightly cower at their approach.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uptown and downtown, food deliverers zoom between restaurant sidewalk
>>>>>>> seats and dining tents in the street heedless of traffic lights — or of
>>>>>>> waiters who risk their lives bringing dishes to tables.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E-bikers in my Upper East Side neighborhood play a game of chicken. Ha,
>>>>>>> ha! Let’s see how close I can come to crippling you without hitting you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But there’s nothing funny about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My friend, former New York Post writer Doree Lewak, was nearly killed by a
>>>>>>> wrong-way e-bike four years ago. The hit-and-run strike on Sixth Avenue at
>>>>>>> West 37th Street knocked out a half-dozen of her teeth, damaged ten more,
>>>>>>> and left her with permanent injuries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Gone Girl” actress Lisa Banes died of brain injuries last June after an
>>>>>>> electric scooter, the e-bikes’ close cousin, ran her down on the Upper
>>>>>>> West Side. An Upper West Side restaurant manager perished last summer
>>>>>>> after being struck by an e-bike on Amsterdam Avenue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This year, the highest body count is so far among e-bikers themselves.
>>>>>>> Among them: an off-duty NYPD cop who lost control in Flatbush; another
>>>>>>> Brooklyn man run over by a car after his e-bike brakes locked, causing him
>>>>>>> to be ejected; and one man killed and a second hurt when they drove their
>>>>>>> e-bike into a parked truck in Gravesend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The damn things are a menace even when they aren’t even moving. Lithium
>>>>>>> ion batteries were responsible for more than 40 fires, one of them fatal,
>>>>>>> in the Big Apple so far this year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It won’t be easy for Mayor Adams, the City Council or the auto-hating DOT
>>>>>>> to pull the e-bikes’ plug. Many “progressives” would like to see them
>>>>>>> replace cars altogether.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True leadership calls for guts. But I wouldn’t count on the pols and
>>>>>>> bureaucrats finding their spines before the next tragedies that are
>>>>>>> waiting to happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> "LOCKDOWN", left-wing COVID fearmongering. 95% of COVID infections
>>>>>>> recover with no after effects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.
>>>>>>> Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Donald J. Trump, cheated out of a second term by fraudulent "mail-in"
>>>>>>> ballots. Report voter fraud: sf.n...@mail.house.gov
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama / Biden
>>>>>>> fiasco, President Trump.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
>>>>>>> The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
>>>>>>> queer liberal democrat donors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions, appointed
>>>>>>> dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You might as well be spitting into the wind. The leftist here would rather be executed by their present leftist regime than say so much as a single word against them. Looking at the past postings it is easy to see why, not one of them has a hold on reality any tighter than on a billion dollars.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The leftist here" ????
>>>>>
>>>>> But what is a "leftist"? the term is usually used to designate those
>>>>> of a socialistic leaning... you know, those who are living on the
>>>>> Government Dole.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I read:
>>>>> "In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from
>>>>> one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated
>>>>> 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released
>>>>> last October."
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/5ee3txts
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
>>>>> And that was in reference to the 2012 Census. No telling what the
>>>>> numbers are today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whoops! Here is a later report:
>>>>> "the Biden Administration’s revised Build Back Better Act would be by
>>>>> far the largest increase in means-tested welfare spending in U.S.
>>>>> history, piled on top of the existing welfare system that costs $1.16
>>>>> trillion per year. The average poor family with children already
>>>>> receives $65,200 in cash, food, housing, medical care, and educational
>>>>> support from the taxpayer each year. The Biden plan would add at least
>>>>> another $11,300, with payoffs to special-interest groups"
>>>>> https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/largest-welfare-increase-us-history-will-boost-government-support-76400-poor-family
>>>>>
>>>>> Gee.. 65,200/52 is $1253 a week, if no vacation is taken.
>>>>> So... something like half of the U.S. population is getting all this
>>>>> "bread" and you talk about "leftists", "Socialists" and "Communists".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
>>>> Yes, that would seem to be the problem.
>>>
>>> I see that John believes that if a person takes money being handed to him that he is of definition a communist. He also has the belief that communist is somehow different than socialist. The only difference is in name alone. When the Russian socialist party went to register as a party, the name socialist was already taken so they registered as communist. Don't you find it comical that people like Frank and John that they spew communist crap and can't even recognize it for what it is? When you're so stupid that you cannot recognize social security as nothing more than a self paid retirement fund you're not able to understand anything. But stupid people remain stupid no matter what.
>>
>> No Tommy, I didn't say that. And yes there is a difference, albeit
>> small in come cases, between socialism and communism, although
>> admittedly things blur in usage. But basically communism controls the
>> entire economy, N. Vietnam and China, in the old days, are examples.
>>
>> Socialism, as the perhaps more modern usage, is the government taking
>> care of the population while allowing some, perhaps all, businesses to
>> be owned and managed outside the government. (sort of in the direction
>> the U.S. is headed)
>>
>> N. Korea and (I believe) Cuba are pure Communist governments while the
>> Scandinavian countries and modern China (to some extent) are examples
>> of the modern form of Socialism. In these terms socialism if a far
>> more efficient system then communism while still providing the same
>> advantages.
>>
>> Your description of the Russians using "Communism" because the name
>> "socialist" was already taken is illogical to the point that it is
>> just plain silly.
>>
>> After the Russian revolution of 1917 two political parties formed, the
>> Bolsheviks were a far-left party, led by Vladimir Lenin and the
>> Mensheviks. Mensheviks is a Russian word meaning "minority"while
>> Bolshevik means majority. The two words were used in reference to
>> members of the Russian Congress. In November 1917, Bolsheviks
>> overthrowing the Provisional Government became the only ruling party
>> in the subsequent Soviet Russia.
>>
>> And as the winning party could, and did, just as they damn pleased
>> including naming things as they pleased.
>>
>
>One might parse these things in various ways but you omitted
>the classic case(s) of the Futurists. They became the
>Fascists. By directing and regulating industry & commerce,
>they avoided many of the crippling inefficiencies of the
>more ardent communists who suffered State 'management'.
>We're moving our economy and culture much more toward
>Mussolini, Hitler and Peron than toward Stalin, Kim and Castro.

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 8:32:47 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >On 5/15/2022 9:33 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 15 May 2022 08:34:00 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 5/14/2022 8:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-7, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
> >>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/beware-the-e-bike-menace-in-nyc-they-must-
> >>>>>>> be-banned/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Are you about to cross the street? Look both ways — and pray.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The e-bike swarm makes a stroll to the other side so risky, it’s a wonder
> >>>>>>> that pedestrians aren’t required to sign a liability release before
> >>>>>>> stepping off the curb.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The menace that sets New Yorkers scrambling for their lives at every
> >>>>>>> corner calls for only one solution:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ban e-bikes completely, no matter how much car-hating bike advocates
> >>>>>>> scream and impatient New Yorkers gripe about their General Tso’s chicken
> >>>>>>> taking a few minutes longer to arrive.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> New Yorkers must watch out for muggers and crazies lurking under scaffolds
> >>>>>>> and on subway platforms. Now, since the state legalized e-bikes in 2020,
> >>>>>>> we put our lives on the line every time we step out of our homes in broad
> >>>>>>> daylight. It will be even worse as spring turns to summer. Citi Bikes just
> >>>>>>> began rolling out 1,500 more, fancier e-bikes to its 5,000-strong fleet.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The new e-bikes have handlebar LED screens to show speed and directions.
> >>>>>>> Imagine, riders who rarely bother to look left or right can now focus all
> >>>>>>> their attention on a tiny, handlebars-mounted screen with sound!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Incredibly, e-bike riders don’t need licenses. But the two-wheel terrors
> >>>>>>> are a license to kill and maim.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The city that closes restaurants over a dead fly winks at the electric-
> >>>>>>> powered “pedal-boosting” bikes that bear down on hapless pedestrians at 25
> >>>>>>> mph — silently, often from the wrong direction, and frequently on
> >>>>>>> sidewalks (where not even regular bikes are allowed).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cycling proponents cite the pandemic for helping to popularize e-bikes.
> >>>>>>> The logic of that isn’t clear, unless it’s that the lockdowns of 2020 and
> >>>>>>> lingering, needless restrictions caused everyone to lose their minds.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Politicians and biking “advocates” forever propose brainstorms to wish
> >>>>>>> away the e-bike carnage. Require licenses! Register the bikes! Install
> >>>>>>> more bike lanes! Tougher enforcement!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But it would be easier to hold back a killer-bees invasion with a single
> >>>>>>> can of Raid. Our streets and sidewalks are overrun. With the number of e-
> >>>>>>> bike rides in the city more than doubling from 2.7 million in 2020 to 6.7
> >>>>>>> million last year, no Mickey Mouse-level tinkering could make a
> >>>>>>> difference.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Department of Transportation says there has been one death by e-bike
> >>>>>>> this year, and three in 2021. But the statistics, or lack thereof — the
> >>>>>>> agency does not break out non-fatal collisions — belie the disorder they
> >>>>>>> add to already near-lawless streets, and the dread they bring to millions
> >>>>>>> of New Yorkers every day.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> E-bikes scare the bejeezus out of everyone except the people riding them.
> >>>>>>> Elderly and less-mobile people rightly cower at their approach.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Uptown and downtown, food deliverers zoom between restaurant sidewalk
> >>>>>>> seats and dining tents in the street heedless of traffic lights — or of
> >>>>>>> waiters who risk their lives bringing dishes to tables.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> E-bikers in my Upper East Side neighborhood play a game of chicken. Ha,
> >>>>>>> ha! Let’s see how close I can come to crippling you without hitting you!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But there’s nothing funny about it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My friend, former New York Post writer Doree Lewak, was nearly killed by a
> >>>>>>> wrong-way e-bike four years ago. The hit-and-run strike on Sixth Avenue at
> >>>>>>> West 37th Street knocked out a half-dozen of her teeth, damaged ten more,
> >>>>>>> and left her with permanent injuries.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> “Gone Girl” actress Lisa Banes died of brain injuries last June after an
> >>>>>>> electric scooter, the e-bikes’ close cousin, ran her down on the Upper
> >>>>>>> West Side. An Upper West Side restaurant manager perished last summer
> >>>>>>> after being struck by an e-bike on Amsterdam Avenue.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This year, the highest body count is so far among e-bikers themselves.
> >>>>>>> Among them: an off-duty NYPD cop who lost control in Flatbush; another
> >>>>>>> Brooklyn man run over by a car after his e-bike brakes locked, causing him
> >>>>>>> to be ejected; and one man killed and a second hurt when they drove their
> >>>>>>> e-bike into a parked truck in Gravesend.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The damn things are a menace even when they aren’t even moving. Lithium
> >>>>>>> ion batteries were responsible for more than 40 fires, one of them fatal,
> >>>>>>> in the Big Apple so far this year.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It won’t be easy for Mayor Adams, the City Council or the auto-hating DOT
> >>>>>>> to pull the e-bikes’ plug. Many “progressives” would like to see them
> >>>>>>> replace cars altogether.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> True leadership calls for guts. But I wouldn’t count on the pols and
> >>>>>>> bureaucrats finding their spines before the next tragedies that are
> >>>>>>> waiting to happen.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> "LOCKDOWN", left-wing COVID fearmongering. 95% of COVID infections
> >>>>>>> recover with no after effects.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.
> >>>>>>> Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Donald J. Trump, cheated out of a second term by fraudulent "mail-in"
> >>>>>>> ballots. Report voter fraud: sf.n...@mail.house.gov
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama / Biden
> >>>>>>> fiasco, President Trump.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
> >>>>>>> The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
> >>>>>>> queer liberal democrat donors.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions, appointed
> >>>>>>> dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You might as well be spitting into the wind. The leftist here would rather be executed by their present leftist regime than say so much as a single word against them. Looking at the past postings it is easy to see why, not one of them has a hold on reality any tighter than on a billion dollars.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The leftist here" ????
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But what is a "leftist"? the term is usually used to designate those
> >>>>> of a socialistic leaning... you know, those who are living on the
> >>>>> Government Dole.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And I read:
> >>>>> "In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from
> >>>>> one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated
> >>>>> 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released
> >>>>> last October."
> >>>>> https://tinyurl.com/5ee3txts
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
> >>>>> And that was in reference to the 2012 Census. No telling what the
> >>>>> numbers are today.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Whoops! Here is a later report:
> >>>>> "the Biden Administration’s revised Build Back Better Act would be by
> >>>>> far the largest increase in means-tested welfare spending in U.S.
> >>>>> history, piled on top of the existing welfare system that costs $1.16
> >>>>> trillion per year. The average poor family with children already
> >>>>> receives $65,200 in cash, food, housing, medical care, and educational
> >>>>> support from the taxpayer each year. The Biden plan would add at least
> >>>>> another $11,300, with payoffs to special-interest groups"
> >>>>> https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/largest-welfare-increase-us-history-will-boost-government-support-76400-poor-family
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gee.. 65,200/52 is $1253 a week, if no vacation is taken.
> >>>>> So... something like half of the U.S. population is getting all this
> >>>>> "bread" and you talk about "leftists", "Socialists" and "Communists".
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> "Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
> >>>> Yes, that would seem to be the problem.
> >>>
> >>> I see that John believes that if a person takes money being handed to him that he is of definition a communist. He also has the belief that communist is somehow different than socialist. The only difference is in name alone. When the Russian socialist party went to register as a party, the name socialist was already taken so they registered as communist. Don't you find it comical that people like Frank and John that they spew communist crap and can't even recognize it for what it is? When you're so stupid that you cannot recognize social security as nothing more than a self paid retirement fund you're not able to understand anything. But stupid people remain stupid no matter what.
> >>
> >> No Tommy, I didn't say that. And yes there is a difference, albeit
> >> small in come cases, between socialism and communism, although
> >> admittedly things blur in usage. But basically communism controls the
> >> entire economy, N. Vietnam and China, in the old days, are examples.
> >>
> >> Socialism, as the perhaps more modern usage, is the government taking
> >> care of the population while allowing some, perhaps all, businesses to
> >> be owned and managed outside the government. (sort of in the direction
> >> the U.S. is headed)
> >>
> >> N. Korea and (I believe) Cuba are pure Communist governments while the
> >> Scandinavian countries and modern China (to some extent) are examples
> >> of the modern form of Socialism. In these terms socialism if a far
> >> more efficient system then communism while still providing the same
> >> advantages.
> >>
> >> Your description of the Russians using "Communism" because the name
> >> "socialist" was already taken is illogical to the point that it is
> >> just plain silly.
> >>
> >> After the Russian revolution of 1917 two political parties formed, the
> >> Bolsheviks were a far-left party, led by Vladimir Lenin and the
> >> Mensheviks. Mensheviks is a Russian word meaning "minority"while
> >> Bolshevik means majority. The two words were used in reference to
> >> members of the Russian Congress. In November 1917, Bolsheviks
> >> overthrowing the Provisional Government became the only ruling party
> >> in the subsequent Soviet Russia.
> >>
> >> And as the winning party could, and did, just as they damn pleased
> >> including naming things as they pleased.
> >>
> >
> >One might parse these things in various ways but you omitted
> >the classic case(s) of the Futurists. They became the
> >Fascists. By directing and regulating industry & commerce,
> >they avoided many of the crippling inefficiencies of the
> >more ardent communists who suffered State 'management'.
> >We're moving our economy and culture much more toward
> >Mussolini, Hitler and Peron than toward Stalin, Kim and Castro.
> Well... I was replying to Tommy and I thought that he might be able to
> manage a discussion with two "forces", this the referent to the
> Mensheviks and Bolsheviks, rather then the host of minority parties
> all trying to get a place in the sun.
>
> But direct Governmental control of industries when referring to Nazi
> Germany, for example isn't exactly correct as over all the government
> took the position that State ownership was to be avoided unless it was
> absolutely necessary... Thus one of the main factors of the Nazi
> government efforts to aid German recovery was to privatize a great
> many industries. But it was more complex then that as the German
> Government also passed laws giving it the right to form "cartels" and
> to some extent control them.
>
> Take for example, the German aircraft industry, certainly encouraged
> by the government but directly managed internally. Or the V-1 which, I
> believe wax developed by a group of three companies.
>
> But my point was largely to educate Tommy a bit of the meanings of the
> words, "leftists", "Socialists" and "Communists" which he tosses about
> as symbols of defamation.
>
> And, well in my view, the U.S with it's multiple welfare schemes is
> sliding toward socialism, in the sense of the government taking care
> of the population, like a loving mother.

On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:41:30 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 8:32:47 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On 5/15/2022 9:33 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 15 May 2022 08:34:00 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>> On 5/14/2022 8:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-7, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>> >>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/beware-the-e-bike-menace-in-nyc-they-must-
>> >>>>>>> be-banned/
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Are you about to cross the street? Look both ways — and pray.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The e-bike swarm makes a stroll to the other side so risky, it’s a wonder
>> >>>>>>> that pedestrians aren’t required to sign a liability release before
>> >>>>>>> stepping off the curb.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The menace that sets New Yorkers scrambling for their lives at every
>> >>>>>>> corner calls for only one solution:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Ban e-bikes completely, no matter how much car-hating bike advocates
>> >>>>>>> scream and impatient New Yorkers gripe about their General Tso’s chicken
>> >>>>>>> taking a few minutes longer to arrive.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> New Yorkers must watch out for muggers and crazies lurking under scaffolds
>> >>>>>>> and on subway platforms. Now, since the state legalized e-bikes in 2020,
>> >>>>>>> we put our lives on the line every time we step out of our homes in broad
>> >>>>>>> daylight. It will be even worse as spring turns to summer. Citi Bikes just
>> >>>>>>> began rolling out 1,500 more, fancier e-bikes to its 5,000-strong fleet.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The new e-bikes have handlebar LED screens to show speed and directions.
>> >>>>>>> Imagine, riders who rarely bother to look left or right can now focus all
>> >>>>>>> their attention on a tiny, handlebars-mounted screen with sound!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Incredibly, e-bike riders don’t need licenses. But the two-wheel terrors
>> >>>>>>> are a license to kill and maim.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The city that closes restaurants over a dead fly winks at the electric-
>> >>>>>>> powered “pedal-boosting” bikes that bear down on hapless pedestrians at 25
>> >>>>>>> mph — silently, often from the wrong direction, and frequently on
>> >>>>>>> sidewalks (where not even regular bikes are allowed).
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Cycling proponents cite the pandemic for helping to popularize e-bikes.
>> >>>>>>> The logic of that isn’t clear, unless it’s that the lockdowns of 2020 and
>> >>>>>>> lingering, needless restrictions caused everyone to lose their minds.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Politicians and biking “advocates” forever propose brainstorms to wish
>> >>>>>>> away the e-bike carnage. Require licenses! Register the bikes! Install
>> >>>>>>> more bike lanes! Tougher enforcement!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> But it would be easier to hold back a killer-bees invasion with a single
>> >>>>>>> can of Raid. Our streets and sidewalks are overrun. With the number of e-
>> >>>>>>> bike rides in the city more than doubling from 2.7 million in 2020 to 6.7
>> >>>>>>> million last year, no Mickey Mouse-level tinkering could make a
>> >>>>>>> difference.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The Department of Transportation says there has been one death by e-bike
>> >>>>>>> this year, and three in 2021. But the statistics, or lack thereof — the
>> >>>>>>> agency does not break out non-fatal collisions — belie the disorder they
>> >>>>>>> add to already near-lawless streets, and the dread they bring to millions
>> >>>>>>> of New Yorkers every day.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> E-bikes scare the bejeezus out of everyone except the people riding them.
>> >>>>>>> Elderly and less-mobile people rightly cower at their approach.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Uptown and downtown, food deliverers zoom between restaurant sidewalk
>> >>>>>>> seats and dining tents in the street heedless of traffic lights — or of
>> >>>>>>> waiters who risk their lives bringing dishes to tables.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> E-bikers in my Upper East Side neighborhood play a game of chicken. Ha,
>> >>>>>>> ha! Let’s see how close I can come to crippling you without hitting you!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> But there’s nothing funny about it.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> My friend, former New York Post writer Doree Lewak, was nearly killed by a
>> >>>>>>> wrong-way e-bike four years ago. The hit-and-run strike on Sixth Avenue at
>> >>>>>>> West 37th Street knocked out a half-dozen of her teeth, damaged ten more,
>> >>>>>>> and left her with permanent injuries.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> “Gone Girl” actress Lisa Banes died of brain injuries last June after an
>> >>>>>>> electric scooter, the e-bikes’ close cousin, ran her down on the Upper
>> >>>>>>> West Side. An Upper West Side restaurant manager perished last summer
>> >>>>>>> after being struck by an e-bike on Amsterdam Avenue.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> This year, the highest body count is so far among e-bikers themselves.
>> >>>>>>> Among them: an off-duty NYPD cop who lost control in Flatbush; another
>> >>>>>>> Brooklyn man run over by a car after his e-bike brakes locked, causing him
>> >>>>>>> to be ejected; and one man killed and a second hurt when they drove their
>> >>>>>>> e-bike into a parked truck in Gravesend.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The damn things are a menace even when they aren’t even moving. Lithium
>> >>>>>>> ion batteries were responsible for more than 40 fires, one of them fatal,
>> >>>>>>> in the Big Apple so far this year.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It won’t be easy for Mayor Adams, the City Council or the auto-hating DOT
>> >>>>>>> to pull the e-bikes’ plug. Many “progressives” would like to see them
>> >>>>>>> replace cars altogether.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> True leadership calls for guts. But I wouldn’t count on the pols and
>> >>>>>>> bureaucrats finding their spines before the next tragedies that are
>> >>>>>>> waiting to happen.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> "LOCKDOWN", left-wing COVID fearmongering. 95% of COVID infections
>> >>>>>>> recover with no after effects.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.
>> >>>>>>> Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Donald J. Trump, cheated out of a second term by fraudulent "mail-in"
>> >>>>>>> ballots. Report voter fraud: sf.n...@mail.house.gov
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama / Biden
>> >>>>>>> fiasco, President Trump.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
>> >>>>>>> The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
>> >>>>>>> queer liberal democrat donors.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions, appointed
>> >>>>>>> dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You might as well be spitting into the wind. The leftist here would rather be executed by their present leftist regime than say so much as a single word against them. Looking at the past postings it is easy to see why, not one of them has a hold on reality any tighter than on a billion dollars.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "The leftist here" ????
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> But what is a "leftist"? the term is usually used to designate those
>> >>>>> of a socialistic leaning... you know, those who are living on the
>> >>>>> Government Dole.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> And I read:
>> >>>>> "In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from
>> >>>>> one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated
>> >>>>> 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released
>> >>>>> last October."
>> >>>>> https://tinyurl.com/5ee3txts
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
>> >>>>> And that was in reference to the 2012 Census. No telling what the
>> >>>>> numbers are today.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Whoops! Here is a later report:
>> >>>>> "the Biden Administration’s revised Build Back Better Act would be by
>> >>>>> far the largest increase in means-tested welfare spending in U.S.
>> >>>>> history, piled on top of the existing welfare system that costs $1.16
>> >>>>> trillion per year. The average poor family with children already
>> >>>>> receives $65,200 in cash, food, housing, medical care, and educational
>> >>>>> support from the taxpayer each year. The Biden plan would add at least
>> >>>>> another $11,300, with payoffs to special-interest groups"
>> >>>>> https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/largest-welfare-increase-us-history-will-boost-government-support-76400-poor-family
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Gee.. 65,200/52 is $1253 a week, if no vacation is taken.
>> >>>>> So... something like half of the U.S. population is getting all this
>> >>>>> "bread" and you talk about "leftists", "Socialists" and "Communists".
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> "Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
>> >>>> Yes, that would seem to be the problem.
>> >>>
>> >>> I see that John believes that if a person takes money being handed to him that he is of definition a communist. He also has the belief that communist is somehow different than socialist. The only difference is in name alone. When the Russian socialist party went to register as a party, the name socialist was already taken so they registered as communist. Don't you find it comical that people like Frank and John that they spew communist crap and can't even recognize it for what it is? When you're so stupid that you cannot recognize social security as nothing more than a self paid retirement fund you're not able to understand anything. But stupid people remain stupid no matter what.
>> >>
>> >> No Tommy, I didn't say that. And yes there is a difference, albeit
>> >> small in come cases, between socialism and communism, although
>> >> admittedly things blur in usage. But basically communism controls the
>> >> entire economy, N. Vietnam and China, in the old days, are examples.
>> >>
>> >> Socialism, as the perhaps more modern usage, is the government taking
>> >> care of the population while allowing some, perhaps all, businesses to
>> >> be owned and managed outside the government. (sort of in the direction
>> >> the U.S. is headed)
>> >>
>> >> N. Korea and (I believe) Cuba are pure Communist governments while the
>> >> Scandinavian countries and modern China (to some extent) are examples
>> >> of the modern form of Socialism. In these terms socialism if a far
>> >> more efficient system then communism while still providing the same
>> >> advantages.
>> >>
>> >> Your description of the Russians using "Communism" because the name
>> >> "socialist" was already taken is illogical to the point that it is
>> >> just plain silly.
>> >>
>> >> After the Russian revolution of 1917 two political parties formed, the
>> >> Bolsheviks were a far-left party, led by Vladimir Lenin and the
>> >> Mensheviks. Mensheviks is a Russian word meaning "minority"while
>> >> Bolshevik means majority. The two words were used in reference to
>> >> members of the Russian Congress. In November 1917, Bolsheviks
>> >> overthrowing the Provisional Government became the only ruling party
>> >> in the subsequent Soviet Russia.
>> >>
>> >> And as the winning party could, and did, just as they damn pleased
>> >> including naming things as they pleased.
>> >>
>> >
>> >One might parse these things in various ways but you omitted
>> >the classic case(s) of the Futurists. They became the
>> >Fascists. By directing and regulating industry & commerce,
>> >they avoided many of the crippling inefficiencies of the
>> >more ardent communists who suffered State 'management'.
>> >We're moving our economy and culture much more toward
>> >Mussolini, Hitler and Peron than toward Stalin, Kim and Castro.
>> Well... I was replying to Tommy and I thought that he might be able to
>> manage a discussion with two "forces", this the referent to the
>> Mensheviks and Bolsheviks, rather then the host of minority parties
>> all trying to get a place in the sun.
>>
>> But direct Governmental control of industries when referring to Nazi
>> Germany, for example isn't exactly correct as over all the government
>> took the position that State ownership was to be avoided unless it was
>> absolutely necessary... Thus one of the main factors of the Nazi
>> government efforts to aid German recovery was to privatize a great
>> many industries. But it was more complex then that as the German
>> Government also passed laws giving it the right to form "cartels" and
>> to some extent control them.
>>
>> Take for example, the German aircraft industry, certainly encouraged
>> by the government but directly managed internally. Or the V-1 which, I
>> believe wax developed by a group of three companies.
>>
>> But my point was largely to educate Tommy a bit of the meanings of the
>> words, "leftists", "Socialists" and "Communists" which he tosses about
>> as symbols of defamation.
>>
>> And, well in my view, the U.S with it's multiple welfare schemes is
>> sliding toward socialism, in the sense of the government taking care
>> of the population, like a loving mother.
>
>I think you have to modify your "population" for the US. Some of the population, the select chosen ones, are taken care of in a socialist manner. But its called capitalism to dress it up. Not socialism. And then there are other sections of the population that are not taken care of. They are harangued, castigated, and denigrated. Is it really socialism if you only take care of a select few and openly harm the others?

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:59:33 AM UTC+2, John B. wrote:

>
> Example... when I was a young man my father, who worked in the Post
> Office, could afford to send his kids, my brother and I, to collage.
> No loans, no borrowing money from relatives, just a check every month
> for the tuition and so on. Today I read about all the government
> collage loans and the difficulties young people have in repaying them.
> --
> Cheers,

And why is this?

Lou

Am 17.05.2022 um 10:32 schrieb Lou Holtman:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:59:33 AM UTC+2, John B. wrote:
>
>>
>> Example... when I was a young man my father, who worked in the Post
>> Office, could afford to send his kids, my brother and I, to collage.
>> No loans, no borrowing money from relatives, just a check every month
>> for the tuition and so on. Today I read about all the government
>> collage loans and the difficulties young people have in repaying them.
>
> And why is this?

A typical "delay feedback loop":

1) Studies find out that people with a college degree earn significantly
more money during their lifetime
2) More people are willing to pay to go to college
3) colleges increase their tuition fees massively
4)more college graduates one the market reduce the wage gap between
college graduates and non-graduates

Step 3 mostly happend during the 1990's, step 4 is still ongoing

In Germany, standard University education is paid for by the govermnent,
students only have to take out loans (or jobs) for their cost of living.

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 11:12:56 AM UTC+2, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 17.05.2022 um 10:32 schrieb Lou Holtman:
> > On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:59:33 AM UTC+2, John B. wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Example... when I was a young man my father, who worked in the Post
> >> Office, could afford to send his kids, my brother and I, to collage.
> >> No loans, no borrowing money from relatives, just a check every month
> >> for the tuition and so on. Today I read about all the government
> >> collage loans and the difficulties young people have in repaying them.
> >
> > And why is this?
>
> A typical "delay feedback loop":
>
> 1) Studies find out that people with a college degree earn significantly
> more money during their lifetime
> 2) More people are willing to pay to go to college
> 3) colleges increase their tuition fees massively
> 4)more college graduates one the market reduce the wage gap between
> college graduates and non-graduates
>
> Step 3 mostly happend during the 1990's, step 4 is still ongoing
>
> In Germany, standard University education is paid for by the govermnent,
> students only have to take out loans (or jobs) for their cost of living.

My question was about why a family with one full time paid job can't support a family anymore.

Lou

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 10:16:20 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:

> >
> One might parse these things in various ways but you omitted
> the classic case(s) of the Futurists. They became the
> Fascists. By directing and regulating industry & commerce,
> they avoided many of the crippling inefficiencies of the
> more ardent communists who suffered State 'management'.
> We're moving our economy and culture much more toward
> Mussolini, Hitler and Peron than toward Stalin, Kim and Castro.

yup, I see the big plans from the evil communist greenies to nationalize US private industries being announced daily <eyeroll>. Oh and I'm sure the conservatives _never_ made any attempts to take over a private business, right?

> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 17 May 2022 02:25:54 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 11:12:56 AM UTC+2, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 17.05.2022 um 10:32 schrieb Lou Holtman:
>> > On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:59:33 AM UTC+2, John B. wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Example... when I was a young man my father, who worked in the Post
>> >> Office, could afford to send his kids, my brother and I, to collage.
>> >> No loans, no borrowing money from relatives, just a check every month
>> >> for the tuition and so on. Today I read about all the government
>> >> collage loans and the difficulties young people have in repaying them.
>> >
>> > And why is this?
>>
>> A typical "delay feedback loop":
>>
>> 1) Studies find out that people with a college degree earn significantly
>> more money during their lifetime
>> 2) More people are willing to pay to go to college
>> 3) colleges increase their tuition fees massively
>> 4)more college graduates one the market reduce the wage gap between
>> college graduates and non-graduates
>>
>> Step 3 mostly happend during the 1990's, step 4 is still ongoing
>>
>> In Germany, standard University education is paid for by the govermnent,
>> students only have to take out loans (or jobs) for their cost of living.
>
>
>My question was about why a family with one full time paid job can't support a family anymore.
>
>Lou

I suggest it is the level of luxury that one sees as normal. People
used to walk, for example. From the age of 6 I walked about a mile to
school, and yes, there was a school bus... for those that lived more
then a mile from the school.

Today? Walk? A whole mile? "You've got to be kidding".

The average US family has 2.5 TV's and about a third have more then 4
https://www.sidmartinbio.org/how-many-tvs-does-the-average-house-have/

Cars? The average seems to be 1.8 per family and 35 percent of
American households own three cars or more.

and so on and on and on.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/17/2022 12:59 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:41:30 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 8:32:47 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/15/2022 9:33 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 08:34:00 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/14/2022 8:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:00:31 PM UTC-7, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/beware-the-e-bike-menace-in-nyc-they-must-
>>>>>>>>>> be-banned/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you about to cross the street? Look both ways — and pray.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The e-bike swarm makes a stroll to the other side so risky, it’s a wonder
>>>>>>>>>> that pedestrians aren’t required to sign a liability release before
>>>>>>>>>> stepping off the curb.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The menace that sets New Yorkers scrambling for their lives at every
>>>>>>>>>> corner calls for only one solution:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ban e-bikes completely, no matter how much car-hating bike advocates
>>>>>>>>>> scream and impatient New Yorkers gripe about their General Tso’s chicken
>>>>>>>>>> taking a few minutes longer to arrive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> New Yorkers must watch out for muggers and crazies lurking under scaffolds
>>>>>>>>>> and on subway platforms. Now, since the state legalized e-bikes in 2020,
>>>>>>>>>> we put our lives on the line every time we step out of our homes in broad
>>>>>>>>>> daylight. It will be even worse as spring turns to summer. Citi Bikes just
>>>>>>>>>> began rolling out 1,500 more, fancier e-bikes to its 5,000-strong fleet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The new e-bikes have handlebar LED screens to show speed and directions.
>>>>>>>>>> Imagine, riders who rarely bother to look left or right can now focus all
>>>>>>>>>> their attention on a tiny, handlebars-mounted screen with sound!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Incredibly, e-bike riders don’t need licenses. But the two-wheel terrors
>>>>>>>>>> are a license to kill and maim.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The city that closes restaurants over a dead fly winks at the electric-
>>>>>>>>>> powered “pedal-boosting” bikes that bear down on hapless pedestrians at 25
>>>>>>>>>> mph — silently, often from the wrong direction, and frequently on
>>>>>>>>>> sidewalks (where not even regular bikes are allowed).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cycling proponents cite the pandemic for helping to popularize e-bikes.
>>>>>>>>>> The logic of that isn’t clear, unless it’s that the lockdowns of 2020 and
>>>>>>>>>> lingering, needless restrictions caused everyone to lose their minds.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Politicians and biking “advocates” forever propose brainstorms to wish
>>>>>>>>>> away the e-bike carnage. Require licenses! Register the bikes! Install
>>>>>>>>>> more bike lanes! Tougher enforcement!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But it would be easier to hold back a killer-bees invasion with a single
>>>>>>>>>> can of Raid. Our streets and sidewalks are overrun. With the number of e-
>>>>>>>>>> bike rides in the city more than doubling from 2.7 million in 2020 to 6.7
>>>>>>>>>> million last year, no Mickey Mouse-level tinkering could make a
>>>>>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Department of Transportation says there has been one death by e-bike
>>>>>>>>>> this year, and three in 2021. But the statistics, or lack thereof — the
>>>>>>>>>> agency does not break out non-fatal collisions — belie the disorder they
>>>>>>>>>> add to already near-lawless streets, and the dread they bring to millions
>>>>>>>>>> of New Yorkers every day.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> E-bikes scare the bejeezus out of everyone except the people riding them.
>>>>>>>>>> Elderly and less-mobile people rightly cower at their approach.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Uptown and downtown, food deliverers zoom between restaurant sidewalk
>>>>>>>>>> seats and dining tents in the street heedless of traffic lights — or of
>>>>>>>>>> waiters who risk their lives bringing dishes to tables.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> E-bikers in my Upper East Side neighborhood play a game of chicken. Ha,
>>>>>>>>>> ha! Let’s see how close I can come to crippling you without hitting you!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But there’s nothing funny about it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My friend, former New York Post writer Doree Lewak, was nearly killed by a
>>>>>>>>>> wrong-way e-bike four years ago. The hit-and-run strike on Sixth Avenue at
>>>>>>>>>> West 37th Street knocked out a half-dozen of her teeth, damaged ten more,
>>>>>>>>>> and left her with permanent injuries.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “Gone Girl” actress Lisa Banes died of brain injuries last June after an
>>>>>>>>>> electric scooter, the e-bikes’ close cousin, ran her down on the Upper
>>>>>>>>>> West Side. An Upper West Side restaurant manager perished last summer
>>>>>>>>>> after being struck by an e-bike on Amsterdam Avenue.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This year, the highest body count is so far among e-bikers themselves.
>>>>>>>>>> Among them: an off-duty NYPD cop who lost control in Flatbush; another
>>>>>>>>>> Brooklyn man run over by a car after his e-bike brakes locked, causing him
>>>>>>>>>> to be ejected; and one man killed and a second hurt when they drove their
>>>>>>>>>> e-bike into a parked truck in Gravesend.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The damn things are a menace even when they aren’t even moving. Lithium
>>>>>>>>>> ion batteries were responsible for more than 40 fires, one of them fatal,
>>>>>>>>>> in the Big Apple so far this year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It won’t be easy for Mayor Adams, the City Council or the auto-hating DOT
>>>>>>>>>> to pull the e-bikes’ plug. Many “progressives” would like to see them
>>>>>>>>>> replace cars altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> True leadership calls for guts. But I wouldn’t count on the pols and
>>>>>>>>>> bureaucrats finding their spines before the next tragedies that are
>>>>>>>>>> waiting to happen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> "LOCKDOWN", left-wing COVID fearmongering. 95% of COVID infections
>>>>>>>>>> recover with no after effects.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.
>>>>>>>>>> Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Donald J. Trump, cheated out of a second term by fraudulent "mail-in"
>>>>>>>>>> ballots. Report voter fraud: sf.n...@mail.house.gov
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama / Biden
>>>>>>>>>> fiasco, President Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America became the
>>>>>>>>>> The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
>>>>>>>>>> queer liberal democrat donors.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions, appointed
>>>>>>>>>> dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might as well be spitting into the wind. The leftist here would rather be executed by their present leftist regime than say so much as a single word against them. Looking at the past postings it is easy to see why, not one of them has a hold on reality any tighter than on a billion dollars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The leftist here" ????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But what is a "leftist"? the term is usually used to designate those
>>>>>>>> of a socialistic leaning... you know, those who are living on the
>>>>>>>> Government Dole.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I read:
>>>>>>>> "In 2011 some 49.2 percent of U.S. households received benefits from
>>>>>>>> one or more government programs—about 151 million out of an estimated
>>>>>>>> 306.8 million Americans—according to U.S. Census Bureau data released
>>>>>>>> last October."
>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/5ee3txts
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
>>>>>>>> And that was in reference to the 2012 Census. No telling what the
>>>>>>>> numbers are today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whoops! Here is a later report:
>>>>>>>> "the Biden Administration’s revised Build Back Better Act would be by
>>>>>>>> far the largest increase in means-tested welfare spending in U.S.
>>>>>>>> history, piled on top of the existing welfare system that costs $1.16
>>>>>>>> trillion per year. The average poor family with children already
>>>>>>>> receives $65,200 in cash, food, housing, medical care, and educational
>>>>>>>> support from the taxpayer each year. The Biden plan would add at least
>>>>>>>> another $11,300, with payoffs to special-interest groups"
>>>>>>>> https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/largest-welfare-increase-us-history-will-boost-government-support-76400-poor-family
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gee.. 65,200/52 is $1253 a week, if no vacation is taken.
>>>>>>>> So... something like half of the U.S. population is getting all this
>>>>>>>> "bread" and you talk about "leftists", "Socialists" and "Communists".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Sounds like about half of the U.S. is "leftist".
>>>>>>> Yes, that would seem to be the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that John believes that if a person takes money being handed to him that he is of definition a communist. He also has the belief that communist is somehow different than socialist. The only difference is in name alone. When the Russian socialist party went to register as a party, the name socialist was already taken so they registered as communist. Don't you find it comical that people like Frank and John that they spew communist crap and can't even recognize it for what it is? When you're so stupid that you cannot recognize social security as nothing more than a self paid retirement fund you're not able to understand anything. But stupid people remain stupid no matter what.
>>>>>
>>>>> No Tommy, I didn't say that. And yes there is a difference, albeit
>>>>> small in come cases, between socialism and communism, although
>>>>> admittedly things blur in usage. But basically communism controls the
>>>>> entire economy, N. Vietnam and China, in the old days, are examples.
>>>>>
>>>>> Socialism, as the perhaps more modern usage, is the government taking
>>>>> care of the population while allowing some, perhaps all, businesses to
>>>>> be owned and managed outside the government. (sort of in the direction
>>>>> the U.S. is headed)
>>>>>
>>>>> N. Korea and (I believe) Cuba are pure Communist governments while the
>>>>> Scandinavian countries and modern China (to some extent) are examples
>>>>> of the modern form of Socialism. In these terms socialism if a far
>>>>> more efficient system then communism while still providing the same
>>>>> advantages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your description of the Russians using "Communism" because the name
>>>>> "socialist" was already taken is illogical to the point that it is
>>>>> just plain silly.
>>>>>
>>>>> After the Russian revolution of 1917 two political parties formed, the
>>>>> Bolsheviks were a far-left party, led by Vladimir Lenin and the
>>>>> Mensheviks. Mensheviks is a Russian word meaning "minority"while
>>>>> Bolshevik means majority. The two words were used in reference to
>>>>> members of the Russian Congress. In November 1917, Bolsheviks
>>>>> overthrowing the Provisional Government became the only ruling party
>>>>> in the subsequent Soviet Russia.
>>>>>
>>>>> And as the winning party could, and did, just as they damn pleased
>>>>> including naming things as they pleased.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One might parse these things in various ways but you omitted
>>>> the classic case(s) of the Futurists. They became the
>>>> Fascists. By directing and regulating industry & commerce,
>>>> they avoided many of the crippling inefficiencies of the
>>>> more ardent communists who suffered State 'management'.
>>>> We're moving our economy and culture much more toward
>>>> Mussolini, Hitler and Peron than toward Stalin, Kim and Castro.
>>> Well... I was replying to Tommy and I thought that he might be able to
>>> manage a discussion with two "forces", this the referent to the
>>> Mensheviks and Bolsheviks, rather then the host of minority parties
>>> all trying to get a place in the sun.
>>>
>>> But direct Governmental control of industries when referring to Nazi
>>> Germany, for example isn't exactly correct as over all the government
>>> took the position that State ownership was to be avoided unless it was
>>> absolutely necessary... Thus one of the main factors of the Nazi
>>> government efforts to aid German recovery was to privatize a great
>>> many industries. But it was more complex then that as the German
>>> Government also passed laws giving it the right to form "cartels" and
>>> to some extent control them.
>>>
>>> Take for example, the German aircraft industry, certainly encouraged
>>> by the government but directly managed internally. Or the V-1 which, I
>>> believe wax developed by a group of three companies.
>>>
>>> But my point was largely to educate Tommy a bit of the meanings of the
>>> words, "leftists", "Socialists" and "Communists" which he tosses about
>>> as symbols of defamation.
>>>
>>> And, well in my view, the U.S with it's multiple welfare schemes is
>>> sliding toward socialism, in the sense of the government taking care
>>> of the population, like a loving mother.
>>
>> I think you have to modify your "population" for the US. Some of the population, the select chosen ones, are taken care of in a socialist manner. But its called capitalism to dress it up. Not socialism. And then there are other sections of the population that are not taken care of. They are harangued, castigated, and denigrated. Is it really socialism if you only take care of a select few and openly harm the others?
>
> No, I believe that you've got it wrong. In the U.S. you have a sort of
> modified capitalist system... We gonna do it but we gotta do it the
> way the gomment say.
>
> And you have a sort of modified socialism in that something like 56
> million people receive some sort of welfare from the government. Then
> add in subsidies (even the oil industry gets subsidies) and various
> other freebees.
>
> Example... when I was a young man my father, who worked in the Post
> Office, could afford to send his kids, my brother and I, to collage.
> No loans, no borrowing money from relatives, just a check every month
> for the tuition and so on. Today I read about all the government
> collage loans and the difficulties young people have in repaying them.
>

On 5/17/2022 5:03 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 10:16:20 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
>
>>>
>> One might parse these things in various ways but you omitted
>> the classic case(s) of the Futurists. They became the
>> Fascists. By directing and regulating industry & commerce,
>> they avoided many of the crippling inefficiencies of the
>> more ardent communists who suffered State 'management'.
>> We're moving our economy and culture much more toward
>> Mussolini, Hitler and Peron than toward Stalin, Kim and Castro.
>
> yup, I see the big plans from the evil communist greenies to nationalize US private industries being announced daily <eyeroll>. Oh and I'm sure the conservatives _never_ made any attempts to take over a private business, right?
>
>

The large political parties both have deep corruption and
that's not secret. Nor news.

Trend to a diminished regulated economy with less freedom
and less prosperity is not getting better:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/may/12/joe-biden-cancels-massive-oil-and-gas-lease-sale-d/

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> writes:

> Am 17.05.2022 um 10:32 schrieb Lou Holtman:
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:59:33 AM UTC+2, John B. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Example... when I was a young man my father, who worked in the Post
>>> Office, could afford to send his kids, my brother and I, to collage.
>>> No loans, no borrowing money from relatives, just a check every month
>>> for the tuition and so on. Today I read about all the government
>>> collage loans and the difficulties young people have in repaying them.
>>
>> And why is this?
>
> A typical "delay feedback loop":
>
> 1) Studies find out that people with a college degree earn
> significantly more money during their lifetime
> 2) More people are willing to pay to go to college
> 3) colleges increase their tuition fees massively
> 4)more college graduates one the market reduce the wage gap between
> college graduates and non-graduates
>
> Step 3 mostly happend during the 1990's, step 4 is still ongoing
>
> In Germany, standard University education is paid for by the
> govermnent, students only have to take out loans (or jobs) for their
> cost of living.

In the USA the federal government guarantees loans made by commercial
banks to students for tuition and other expenses. These debts cannot be
discharged in bankruptcy. US universities expect to get a full
statement of family finances before making any offers of financial
assistance. In other words they know exactly how much money you have
when they decide how much to charge you -- it's a differential pricing
wet dream.

On 5/17/2022 6:10 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 02:25:54 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
> <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 11:12:56 AM UTC+2, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>> Am 17.05.2022 um 10:32 schrieb Lou Holtman:
>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:59:33 AM UTC+2, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Example... when I was a young man my father, who worked in the Post
>>>>> Office, could afford to send his kids, my brother and I, to collage.
>>>>> No loans, no borrowing money from relatives, just a check every month
>>>>> for the tuition and so on. Today I read about all the government
>>>>> collage loans and the difficulties young people have in repaying them.
>>>>
>>>> And why is this?
>>>
>>> A typical "delay feedback loop":
>>>
>>> 1) Studies find out that people with a college degree earn significantly
>>> more money during their lifetime
>>> 2) More people are willing to pay to go to college
>>> 3) colleges increase their tuition fees massively
>>> 4)more college graduates one the market reduce the wage gap between
>>> college graduates and non-graduates
>>>
>>> Step 3 mostly happend during the 1990's, step 4 is still ongoing
>>>
>>> In Germany, standard University education is paid for by the govermnent,
>>> students only have to take out loans (or jobs) for their cost of living.
>>
>>
>> My question was about why a family with one full time paid job can't support a family anymore.
>>
>> Lou
>
> I suggest it is the level of luxury that one sees as normal. People
> used to walk, for example. From the age of 6 I walked about a mile to
> school, and yes, there was a school bus... for those that lived more
> then a mile from the school.
>
> Today? Walk? A whole mile? "You've got to be kidding".
>
> The average US family has 2.5 TV's and about a third have more then 4
> https://www.sidmartinbio.org/how-many-tvs-does-the-average-house-have/
>
> Cars? The average seems to be 1.8 per family and 35 percent of
> American households own three cars or more.
>
> and so on and on and on.

I agree with John on this. Our family's standard of living is quite a
bit different than, say, our immediate neighbors'. ("What? You don't
have a dishwasher? A 48" TV? A zero turn lawn mower? You don't do a
Caribbean cruise every year? You don't carry a huge credit card balance?")

But our lifestyle is much more luxurious than that of my parents, and
incredibly more luxurious than my grandparents'.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 5/17/2022 10:35 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> writes:
>
>> Am 17.05.2022 um 10:32 schrieb Lou Holtman:
>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:59:33 AM UTC+2, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Example... when I was a young man my father, who worked in the Post
>>>> Office, could afford to send his kids, my brother and I, to collage.
>>>> No loans, no borrowing money from relatives, just a check every month
>>>> for the tuition and so on. Today I read about all the government
>>>> collage loans and the difficulties young people have in repaying them.
>>>
>>> And why is this?
>>
>> A typical "delay feedback loop":
>>
>> 1) Studies find out that people with a college degree earn
>> significantly more money during their lifetime
>> 2) More people are willing to pay to go to college
>> 3) colleges increase their tuition fees massively
>> 4)more college graduates one the market reduce the wage gap between
>> college graduates and non-graduates
>>
>> Step 3 mostly happend during the 1990's, step 4 is still ongoing
>>
>> In Germany, standard University education is paid for by the
>> govermnent, students only have to take out loans (or jobs) for their
>> cost of living.
>
> In the USA the federal government guarantees loans made by commercial
> banks to students for tuition and other expenses. These debts cannot be
> discharged in bankruptcy. US universities expect to get a full
> statement of family finances before making any offers of financial
> assistance. In other words they know exactly how much money you have
> when they decide how much to charge you -- it's a differential pricing
> wet dream.

And as I've mentioned before, things have changed markedly at
universities. When I attended, there were not hundreds of exercise
machines, multiple sports fields, a bunch of on-campus restaurants
besides the dozen independent ones surrounding campus, the landscaping
was far less elaborate with no fountains or sculptures, etc. But today
colleges are competing heavily for students, and the administration's
and trustees' thoughts are that these amenities increase enrollment.
(State subsidy is based heavily on enrollment.)

More important, back then the size of the administration was tiny
compared to today's. I believe administration expenses have soared
faster than any other aspect of the university budget. When I began
teaching at the local university 40-odd years ago, the Provost's Office
was one man plus one secretary. Now it's an entire complex with
something like ten people plus part-time student assistants. Oh, and the
university president's wife is now supplied with a personal shopper. :-/

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 5/17/2022 10:11 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> 'capitalism' is a pejorative term invented by Karl Marx.
>
>  Among his many errors, Marx' fixation on capital ignored the other
> more significant input which is human ingenuity and incentive for
> continued improvement in all ventures. The best examples are the poverty
> where freedom and incentive are lacking.
>
> A more descriptive term is 'free market' where liberty, property rights,
> especially intellectual property, and risk/reward are unfettered.
>
> That does _not_ describe my country at all. We're now some socialist
> declining mess, a 'directed economy' as the Planners claim, with more
> regulation and so less hope year over year.

Are there countries whose economic system you like? What are they? What
are the differences with ours?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 5/17/2022 1:32 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:59:33 AM UTC+2, John B. wrote:
>
>>
>> Example... when I was a young man my father, who worked in the Post
>> Office, could afford to send his kids, my brother and I, to collage.
>> No loans, no borrowing money from relatives, just a check every month
>> for the tuition and so on. Today I read about all the government
>> collage loans and the difficulties young people have in repaying them.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>
> And why is this?

Collages are not expensive. For John's father to have sent his children
to college would have been pretty costly.

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 5:03:01 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 5/17/2022 10:11 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > 'capitalism' is a pejorative term invented by Karl Marx.
> >
> > Among his many errors, Marx' fixation on capital ignored the other
> > more significant input which is human ingenuity and incentive for
> > continued improvement in all ventures. The best examples are the poverty
> > where freedom and incentive are lacking.
> >
> > A more descriptive term is 'free market' where liberty, property rights,
> > especially intellectual property, and risk/reward are unfettered.
> >
> > That does _not_ describe my country at all. We're now some socialist
> > declining mess, a 'directed economy' as the Planners claim, with more
> > regulation and so less hope year over year.
> Are there countries whose economic system you like? What are they? What
> are the differences with ours?
>

It would be the 'leave me alone' economy I think. Everyone should take care of himself.

Lou