Bigger is better, right?

https://bikeclydesdale.com/ebfg/
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Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 6:59:00 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> Bigger is better, right?
>
> https://bikeclydesdale.com/ebfg/
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I'll bet that they have a guaranteed audience of at least 20 people in the US. I am well above the average height and in the top 3% of people around the world even though the tallest people are usually in the Netherlands and Germany, I am still 4" or more above their average. This is why I have always had problems finding a bike to fit me or people to sell my bikes to.

On Tue, 10 May 2022 08:58:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>Bigger is better, right?
>
>https://bikeclydesdale.com/ebfg/

Hey! It says right there in the top R.H, corner, it is a Super Bike.
And bigger is super... isn't it? Or is it that Super IS Bigger?

AND! Only $7,950.00!
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Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:59:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> Bigger is better, right?
>
> https://bikeclydesdale.com/ebfg/
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A number of years ago I met riders on the local bike ride. One participant on the trail ride was well above 6 and a half feet. He had a Gunnar road bike. It looked odd. Odd because the head tube was nearly the length of a top tube for small bikes. It did not look like a Gunnar bike. Another friend owns a Gunner bike. He is 5 feet 10. The tall guy's bike was a bike of course. But it just did not look right. The proportions were wrong.

On another ride, we met another rider about 20 miles from home. On the trail. He was 6 feet 8 or maybe 6 feet 10. But his bike looked normal. Normal for his size anyway. It was a mountain or hybrid style bike. With 36 inch wheels. Everything about his bike was sized to the 36 inch wheels it used. So everything was the right proportion. He talked to us about getting 36 inch wheels and a bike to fit that size wheels. Given his height, it made sense to start with a much bigger wheel and scale everything to fit that starting point. Rather than to start with little regular sized wheels, 700C. And scale up the bike frame to meet his larger size. So his bike looked like a normal bike. If you saw his bike, you would think normal bike. It was just 150% bigger on everything. But overall, it was a normal looking bike.

On Tue, 10 May 2022 16:36:36 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>A number of years ago I met riders on the local bike ride. One participant on the trail ride was well above 6 and a half feet. He had a Gunnar road bike. It looked odd. Odd because the head tube was nearly the length of a top tube for small bikes. It did not look like a Gunnar bike. Another friend owns a Gunner bike. He is 5 feet 10. The tall guy's bike was a bike of course. But it just did not look right. The proportions were wrong.
>
>On another ride, we met another rider about 20 miles from home. On the trail. He was 6 feet 8 or maybe 6 feet 10. But his bike looked normal. Normal for his size anyway. It was a mountain or hybrid style bike. With 36 inch wheels. Everything about his bike was sized to the 36 inch wheels it used. So everything was the right proportion. He talked to us about getting 36 inch wheels and a bike to fit that size wheels. Given his height, it made sense to start with a much bigger wheel and scale everything to fit that starting point. Rather than to start with little regular sized wheels, 700C. And scale up the bike frame to meet his larger size. So his bike looked like a normal bike. If you saw his bike, you would think normal bike. It was just 150% bigger on everything. But overall, it was a normal looking bike.

The odd Gunnar frame geometry might have been due to the owner having
Marfan Syndrome:
<https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/marfan-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20350782>
Symptoms include long, thin and disproportionate arms, legs and
fingers. Abraham Lincoln may have had Marfan Syndrome:
<https://www.clinicalcorrelations.org/2013/04/19/did-abraham-lincoln-have-marfan-syndrome/>
<https://time.com/5135506/abraham-lincoln-marfan-syndrome/>
However, bicycle riding is usually not recommended for those with
Marfan Syndrome because heart defects are often associated with the
disease.
<https://info.marfan.org/hubfs/FINAL%20Physical%20Activity%20Guidelines%2011_17.pdf>
Hard to be certain from here.
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Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 5/10/2022 6:36 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:59:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> Bigger is better, right?
>>
>> https://bikeclydesdale.com/ebfg/

>
> A number of years ago I met riders on the local bike ride. One participant on the trail ride was well above 6 and a half feet. He had a Gunnar road bike. It looked odd. Odd because the head tube was nearly the length of a top tube for small bikes. It did not look like a Gunnar bike. Another friend owns a Gunner bike. He is 5 feet 10. The tall guy's bike was a bike of course. But it just did not look right. The proportions were wrong.
>
> On another ride, we met another rider about 20 miles from home. On the trail. He was 6 feet 8 or maybe 6 feet 10. But his bike looked normal. Normal for his size anyway. It was a mountain or hybrid style bike. With 36 inch wheels. Everything about his bike was sized to the 36 inch wheels it used. So everything was the right proportion. He talked to us about getting 36 inch wheels and a bike to fit that size wheels. Given his height, it made sense to start with a much bigger wheel and scale everything to fit that starting point. Rather than to start with little regular sized wheels, 700C. And scale up the bike frame to meet his larger size. So his bike looked like a normal bike. If you saw his bike, you would think normal bike. It was just 150% bigger on everything. But overall, it was a normal looking bike.
>

+1

I was puzzled by '29-inch' until we built up a custom XL
Gunnar mountain bike with them for a very tall rider. It
clicked - proportional is exactly the word.

36 inch wheels may bring their own troubles sourcing
replacements at inopportune times, but the principle is right.

I still don't get XS 29-inch bikes for 5'2" women but we do
see those in service here.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 10 May 2022 07:07:18 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 6:59:00 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> Bigger is better, right?
>>
>> https://bikeclydesdale.com/ebfg/
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

>I'll bet that they have a guaranteed audience of at least 20 people in the US.

You would have lost the bet by a rather large margin.

"STATISTICS - NORMAL DISTRIBUTION- HEIGHTS"
<https://static1.squarespace.com/static/585718168419c246cf6f204e/t/5ab7e2de70a6adbbb6bcf676/1522000606378/STATISTICS%2B-Dimensions%2B-%2B3-19-18%2B%281%29.pdf>
1% of the US population of 332 million is 3.3 million.

Or, maybe about 0.5%:
<https://allcountries.org/uscensus/230_cumulative_percent_distribution_of_population_by.html>
which would be only 1.6 million men.

>I am well above the average height and in the top 3% of people around the world even though the tallest people are usually in the Netherlands and Germany, I am still 4" or more above their average. This is why I have always had problems finding a bike to fit me or people to sell my bikes to.

Bicycles are not your only problem:
"Wilt Chamberlain VW Commercial"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8s4BAB5fEY>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 5/10/2022 7:36 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:59:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> Bigger is better, right?
>>
>> https://bikeclydesdale.com/ebfg/
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> A number of years ago I met riders on the local bike ride. One participant on the trail ride was well above 6 and a half feet. He had a Gunnar road bike. It looked odd. Odd because the head tube was nearly the length of a top tube for small bikes. It did not look like a Gunnar bike. Another friend owns a Gunner bike. He is 5 feet 10. The tall guy's bike was a bike of course. But it just did not look right. The proportions were wrong.
>
> On another ride, we met another rider about 20 miles from home. On the trail. He was 6 feet 8 or maybe 6 feet 10. But his bike looked normal. Normal for his size anyway. It was a mountain or hybrid style bike. With 36 inch wheels. Everything about his bike was sized to the 36 inch wheels it used. So everything was the right proportion. He talked to us about getting 36 inch wheels and a bike to fit that size wheels. Given his height, it made sense to start with a much bigger wheel and scale everything to fit that starting point. Rather than to start with little regular sized wheels, 700C. And scale up the bike frame to meet his larger size. So his bike looked like a normal bike. If you saw his bike, you would think normal bike. It was just 150% bigger on everything. But overall, it was a normal looking bike.

Here's one used by a local guy. Or rather, a guy who was once local:

https://www.bicycling.com/news/a26594733/lebron-james-custom-bike/

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 7:59:41 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2022 16:36:36 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >A number of years ago I met riders on the local bike ride. One participant on the trail ride was well above 6 and a half feet. He had a Gunnar road bike. It looked odd. Odd because the head tube was nearly the length of a top tube for small bikes. It did not look like a Gunnar bike. Another friend owns a Gunner bike. He is 5 feet 10. The tall guy's bike was a bike of course. But it just did not look right. The proportions were wrong.
> >
> >On another ride, we met another rider about 20 miles from home. On the trail. He was 6 feet 8 or maybe 6 feet 10. But his bike looked normal. Normal for his size anyway. It was a mountain or hybrid style bike. With 36 inch wheels. Everything about his bike was sized to the 36 inch wheels it used. So everything was the right proportion. He talked to us about getting 36 inch wheels and a bike to fit that size wheels. Given his height, it made sense to start with a much bigger wheel and scale everything to fit that starting point. Rather than to start with little regular sized wheels, 700C. And scale up the bike frame to meet his larger size. So his bike looked like a normal bike. If you saw his bike, you would think normal bike. It was just 150% bigger on everything. But overall, it was a normal looking bike.
> The odd Gunnar frame geometry might have been due to the owner having
> Marfan Syndrome:
> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/marfan-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20350782>
> Symptoms include long, thin and disproportionate arms, legs and
> fingers. Abraham Lincoln may have had Marfan Syndrome:
> <https://www.clinicalcorrelations.org/2013/04/19/did-abraham-lincoln-have-marfan-syndrome/>
> <https://time.com/5135506/abraham-lincoln-marfan-syndrome/>
> However, bicycle riding is usually not recommended for those with
> Marfan Syndrome because heart defects are often associated with the
> disease.
> <https://info.marfan.org/hubfs/FINAL%20Physical%20Activity%20Guidelines%2011_17.pdf>
> Hard to be certain from here.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

No. He was just a tall man. With probably the biggest Gunnar frame made. Gunnar is Waterford's lower cost frame brand. TIG welded frames. 66-68-70-72 cm frames. Whatever the biggest stock frame they offer. The head tube was 16" long. Or thereabouts. The top tube on my normal size 58cm frame is about 22.5". But I did say the head tube on his Gunnar frame was about the same length as the top tube on a smaller frame size. The smallest Trek carbon frames have a top tube of about 50cm. Little under 20 inches. So I was slightly exaggerating. But not much. 16" to 20".

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:28:55 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 5/10/2022 7:36 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:59:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >> Bigger is better, right?
> >>
> >> https://bikeclydesdale.com/ebfg/
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> > A number of years ago I met riders on the local bike ride. One participant on the trail ride was well above 6 and a half feet. He had a Gunnar road bike. It looked odd. Odd because the head tube was nearly the length of a top tube for small bikes. It did not look like a Gunnar bike. Another friend owns a Gunner bike. He is 5 feet 10. The tall guy's bike was a bike of course. But it just did not look right. The proportions were wrong.
> >
> > On another ride, we met another rider about 20 miles from home. On the trail. He was 6 feet 8 or maybe 6 feet 10. But his bike looked normal. Normal for his size anyway. It was a mountain or hybrid style bike. With 36 inch wheels. Everything about his bike was sized to the 36 inch wheels it used.. So everything was the right proportion. He talked to us about getting 36 inch wheels and a bike to fit that size wheels. Given his height, it made sense to start with a much bigger wheel and scale everything to fit that starting point. Rather than to start with little regular sized wheels, 700C. And scale up the bike frame to meet his larger size. So his bike looked like a normal bike. If you saw his bike, you would think normal bike. It was just 150% bigger on everything. But overall, it was a normal looking bike.
> Here's one used by a local guy. Or rather, a guy who was once local:
>
> https://www.bicycling.com/news/a26594733/lebron-james-custom-bike/
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

Frank, Lebron is using electronic shifters.

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> Bigger is better, right?
>
> https://bikeclydesdale.com/ebfg/

GCN have Conner Dunne 6”8 so have done a whole series of videos with a 36in
wheeled bike which they got built ie frame built and so on.

some free on YouTube others not, did recently do “Battle on the Beach” on
it.

Roger Merriman

On 5/11/2022 12:29 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 7:59:41 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 May 2022 16:36:36 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A number of years ago I met riders on the local bike ride. One participant on the trail ride was well above 6 and a half feet. He had a Gunnar road bike. It looked odd. Odd because the head tube was nearly the length of a top tube for small bikes. It did not look like a Gunnar bike. Another friend owns a Gunner bike. He is 5 feet 10. The tall guy's bike was a bike of course. But it just did not look right. The proportions were wrong.
>>>
>>> On another ride, we met another rider about 20 miles from home. On the trail. He was 6 feet 8 or maybe 6 feet 10. But his bike looked normal. Normal for his size anyway. It was a mountain or hybrid style bike. With 36 inch wheels. Everything about his bike was sized to the 36 inch wheels it used. So everything was the right proportion. He talked to us about getting 36 inch wheels and a bike to fit that size wheels. Given his height, it made sense to start with a much bigger wheel and scale everything to fit that starting point. Rather than to start with little regular sized wheels, 700C. And scale up the bike frame to meet his larger size. So his bike looked like a normal bike. If you saw his bike, you would think normal bike. It was just 150% bigger on everything. But overall, it was a normal looking bike.
>> The odd Gunnar frame geometry might have been due to the owner having
>> Marfan Syndrome:
>> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/marfan-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20350782>
>> Symptoms include long, thin and disproportionate arms, legs and
>> fingers. Abraham Lincoln may have had Marfan Syndrome:
>> <https://www.clinicalcorrelations.org/2013/04/19/did-abraham-lincoln-have-marfan-syndrome/>
>> <https://time.com/5135506/abraham-lincoln-marfan-syndrome/>
>> However, bicycle riding is usually not recommended for those with
>> Marfan Syndrome because heart defects are often associated with the
>> disease.
>> <https://info.marfan.org/hubfs/FINAL%20Physical%20Activity%20Guidelines%2011_17.pdf>
>> Hard to be certain from here.
>> --
>> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
>> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
> No. He was just a tall man. With probably the biggest Gunnar frame made. Gunnar is Waterford's lower cost frame brand. TIG welded frames. 66-68-70-72 cm frames. Whatever the biggest stock frame they offer. The head tube was 16" long. Or thereabouts. The top tube on my normal size 58cm frame is about 22.5". But I did say the head tube on his Gunnar frame was about the same length as the top tube on a smaller frame size. The smallest Trek carbon frames have a top tube of about 50cm. Little under 20 inches. So I was slightly exaggerating. But not much. 16" to 20".
>

The largest Gunnar was in 2004 for a chinese basketball
player named Ming. I can't find a photo although there's a
link but the image won't display for me:

www.gunnarbikes.com/newsletters/10-29-04_ming.jpg

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 5/11/2022 1:36 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:28:55 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 5/10/2022 7:36 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:59:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> Bigger is better, right?
>>>>
>>>> https://bikeclydesdale.com/ebfg/
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>
>>> A number of years ago I met riders on the local bike ride. One participant on the trail ride was well above 6 and a half feet. He had a Gunnar road bike. It looked odd. Odd because the head tube was nearly the length of a top tube for small bikes. It did not look like a Gunnar bike. Another friend owns a Gunner bike. He is 5 feet 10. The tall guy's bike was a bike of course. But it just did not look right. The proportions were wrong.
>>>
>>> On another ride, we met another rider about 20 miles from home. On the trail. He was 6 feet 8 or maybe 6 feet 10. But his bike looked normal. Normal for his size anyway. It was a mountain or hybrid style bike. With 36 inch wheels. Everything about his bike was sized to the 36 inch wheels it used. So everything was the right proportion. He talked to us about getting 36 inch wheels and a bike to fit that size wheels. Given his height, it made sense to start with a much bigger wheel and scale everything to fit that starting point. Rather than to start with little regular sized wheels, 700C. And scale up the bike frame to meet his larger size. So his bike looked like a normal bike. If you saw his bike, you would think normal bike. It was just 150% bigger on everything. But overall, it was a normal looking bike.
>> Here's one used by a local guy. Or rather, a guy who was once local:
>>
>> https://www.bicycling.com/news/a26594733/lebron-james-custom-bike/
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> Frank, Lebron is using electronic shifters.

His needs are different than mine.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 5/11/2022 9:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/11/2022 12:29 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 7:59:41 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 May 2022 16:36:36 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A number of years ago I met riders on the local bike ride. One
>>>> participant on the trail ride was well above 6 and a half feet. He
>>>> had a Gunnar road bike. It looked odd. Odd because the head tube was
>>>> nearly the length of a top tube for small bikes. It did not look
>>>> like a Gunnar bike. Another friend owns a Gunner bike. He is 5 feet
>>>> 10. The tall guy's bike was a bike of course. But it just did not
>>>> look right. The proportions were wrong.
>>>>
>>>> On another ride, we met another rider about 20 miles from home. On
>>>> the trail. He was 6 feet 8 or maybe 6 feet 10. But his bike looked
>>>> normal. Normal for his size anyway. It was a mountain or hybrid
>>>> style bike. With 36 inch wheels. Everything about his bike was sized
>>>> to the 36 inch wheels it used. So everything was the right
>>>> proportion. He talked to us about getting 36 inch wheels and a bike
>>>> to fit that size wheels. Given his height, it made sense to start
>>>> with a much bigger wheel and scale everything to fit that starting
>>>> point. Rather than to start with little regular sized wheels, 700C.
>>>> And scale up the bike frame to meet his larger size. So his bike
>>>> looked like a normal bike. If you saw his bike, you would think
>>>> normal bike. It was just 150% bigger on everything. But overall, it
>>>> was a normal looking bike.
>>> The odd Gunnar frame geometry might have been due to the owner having
>>> Marfan Syndrome:
>>> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/marfan-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20350782>
>>>
>>> Symptoms include long, thin and disproportionate arms, legs and
>>> fingers. Abraham Lincoln may have had Marfan Syndrome:
>>> <https://www.clinicalcorrelations.org/2013/04/19/did-abraham-lincoln-have-marfan-syndrome/>
>>>
>>> <https://time.com/5135506/abraham-lincoln-marfan-syndrome/>
>>> However, bicycle riding is usually not recommended for those with
>>> Marfan Syndrome because heart defects are often associated with the
>>> disease.
>>> <https://info.marfan.org/hubfs/FINAL%20Physical%20Activity%20Guidelines%2011_17.pdf>
>>>
>>> Hard to be certain from here.
>>> --
>>> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
>>> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>>
>> No.  He was just a tall man.  With probably the biggest Gunnar frame
>> made.  Gunnar is Waterford's lower cost frame brand.  TIG welded
>> frames.  66-68-70-72 cm frames.  Whatever the biggest stock frame they
>> offer.  The head tube was 16" long.  Or thereabouts.  The top tube on
>> my normal size 58cm frame is about 22.5".  But I did say the head tube
>> on his Gunnar frame was about the same length as the top tube on a
>> smaller frame size.  The smallest Trek carbon frames have a top tube
>> of about 50cm.  Little under 20 inches.  So I was slightly
>> exaggerating.  But not much.  16" to 20".
>>
>
> The largest Gunnar was in 2004 for a chinese basketball player named
> Ming. I can't find a photo although there's a link but the image won't
> display for me:
>
> www.gunnarbikes.com/newsletters/10-29-04_ming.jpg

It displays fine for me. Do you know the wheel size?

It has sort of a double top tube, actually two tubes crossed or
intersecting halfway between the seat tube and head tube. The head tube
looks to be well over a foot tall.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 6:09:53 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/10/2022 6:36 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:59:00 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >> Bigger is better, right?
> >>
> >> https://bikeclydesdale.com/ebfg/
>
> >
> > A number of years ago I met riders on the local bike ride. One participant on the trail ride was well above 6 and a half feet. He had a Gunnar road bike. It looked odd. Odd because the head tube was nearly the length of a top tube for small bikes. It did not look like a Gunnar bike. Another friend owns a Gunner bike. He is 5 feet 10. The tall guy's bike was a bike of course. But it just did not look right. The proportions were wrong.
> >
> > On another ride, we met another rider about 20 miles from home. On the trail. He was 6 feet 8 or maybe 6 feet 10. But his bike looked normal. Normal for his size anyway. It was a mountain or hybrid style bike. With 36 inch wheels. Everything about his bike was sized to the 36 inch wheels it used.. So everything was the right proportion. He talked to us about getting 36 inch wheels and a bike to fit that size wheels. Given his height, it made sense to start with a much bigger wheel and scale everything to fit that starting point. Rather than to start with little regular sized wheels, 700C. And scale up the bike frame to meet his larger size. So his bike looked like a normal bike. If you saw his bike, you would think normal bike. It was just 150% bigger on everything. But overall, it was a normal looking bike.
> >
> +1
>
> I was puzzled by '29-inch' until we built up a custom XL
> Gunnar mountain bike with them for a very tall rider. It
> clicked - proportional is exactly the word.
>
> 36 inch wheels may bring their own troubles sourcing
> replacements at inopportune times, but the principle is right.
>
> I still don't get XS 29-inch bikes for 5'2" women but we do
> see those in service here.

You should gave seen Jobst's bike. The head tube was very long since we had steel bikes then and Jobst was 6'6" His bike was also VERY flexy and it was sort of scary to watch him not only ride fast but some of the bull shit tricks he did which hurt people all the time. I don't remember any specific crashes but I must have seen them since that is what triggered Jobst's posting my mother's address.

On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:24:50 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > Bigger is better, right?
> >
> > https://bikeclydesdale.com/ebfg/
> GCN have Conner Dunne 6”8 so have done a whole series of videos with a 36in
> wheeled bike which they got built ie frame built and so on.
>
> some free on YouTube others not, did recently do “Battle on the Beach” on
> it.

My idea of the problem is building good wheels. These SpeedDream wheels I have are like nothing I've had before and I would assume a 36" wheel would need 36 spokes to keep the rims straight.

On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 6:00:45 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/11/2022 12:29 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 7:59:41 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Tue, 10 May 2022 16:36:36 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> A number of years ago I met riders on the local bike ride. One participant on the trail ride was well above 6 and a half feet. He had a Gunnar road bike. It looked odd. Odd because the head tube was nearly the length of a top tube for small bikes. It did not look like a Gunnar bike. Another friend owns a Gunner bike. He is 5 feet 10. The tall guy's bike was a bike of course. But it just did not look right. The proportions were wrong.
> >>>
> >>> On another ride, we met another rider about 20 miles from home. On the trail. He was 6 feet 8 or maybe 6 feet 10. But his bike looked normal. Normal for his size anyway. It was a mountain or hybrid style bike. With 36 inch wheels. Everything about his bike was sized to the 36 inch wheels it used. So everything was the right proportion. He talked to us about getting 36 inch wheels and a bike to fit that size wheels. Given his height, it made sense to start with a much bigger wheel and scale everything to fit that starting point. Rather than to start with little regular sized wheels, 700C. And scale up the bike frame to meet his larger size. So his bike looked like a normal bike. If you saw his bike, you would think normal bike. It was just 150% bigger on everything. But overall, it was a normal looking bike.
> >> The odd Gunnar frame geometry might have been due to the owner having
> >> Marfan Syndrome:
> >> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/marfan-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20350782>
> >> Symptoms include long, thin and disproportionate arms, legs and
> >> fingers. Abraham Lincoln may have had Marfan Syndrome:
> >> <https://www.clinicalcorrelations.org/2013/04/19/did-abraham-lincoln-have-marfan-syndrome/>
> >> <https://time.com/5135506/abraham-lincoln-marfan-syndrome/>
> >> However, bicycle riding is usually not recommended for those with
> >> Marfan Syndrome because heart defects are often associated with the
> >> disease.
> >> <https://info.marfan.org/hubfs/FINAL%20Physical%20Activity%20Guidelines%2011_17.pdf>
> >> Hard to be certain from here.
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> >
> > No. He was just a tall man. With probably the biggest Gunnar frame made.. Gunnar is Waterford's lower cost frame brand. TIG welded frames. 66-68-70-72 cm frames. Whatever the biggest stock frame they offer. The head tube was 16" long. Or thereabouts. The top tube on my normal size 58cm frame is about 22.5". But I did say the head tube on his Gunnar frame was about the same length as the top tube on a smaller frame size. The smallest Trek carbon frames have a top tube of about 50cm. Little under 20 inches. So I was slightly exaggerating. But not much. 16" to 20".
> >
> The largest Gunnar was in 2004 for a chinese basketball
> player named Ming. I can't find a photo although there's a
> link but the image won't display for me:
>
> www.gunnarbikes.com/newsletters/10-29-04_ming.jpg

It comes right up for me. It has a triangulated top tube head tube down tube so that they can use normal steel tubes. None of these could be butted since they're too long.