David Hartung wrote:
> On 3/16/24 18:25, Siri Cruise wrote:
>> David Hartung wrote:
>>> but it does not explain how life came to be
>>
>> Nor do biologist propose natural selection to explain the origin.
>
> If I were to guess, no honest scientist would do so, but
> knuckleheads such as Rudy do it all the time.
>

Natural selection requires inheritable variations. Without life
there's no reproduction and so no inheritance.

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David Hartung wrote:
> On 3/15/24 13:46, Siri Cruise wrote:

>
> Natural selection may explain how species change as conditions change,
> but it does not explain how life came to be, or how life "evolved" from
> simple forms to complex forms. It seems that scientists have no managed
> to create artificial RNA molecules, but that is a long way from an
> artificial life form. At this point the belief that there is an
> intelligent designer behind creation is as rational as the belief that
> no such designer exists.

Despite a lack of evidence?

David Hartung wrote:
> On 3/15/24 20:58, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in

>>>>
>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
>>>> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just
>>>> happen.
>>>
>>> Just happen?
>>
>>      Yes.
>>
>>> What is you evidence for that?
>>
>>      Geology, botany, paleontology,
>> microbiology, astronomy, climatology,
>> archeology, cosmology.............
>>
>> https://opengeology.org/historicalgeology/a-brief-history-of-earth/
>
> This is the only link which discusses the origin of life and possible
> evolution. Here is the first paragraph in that section:
> [...]
> Early life in the Archean and earlier is poorly documented in the fossil
> record. Based on chemical evidence and evolutionary theory, scientists
> propose this life would have been single-celled photosynthetic
> organisms, such as the cyanobacteria that created stromatolites.
> Cyanobacteria produced free oxygen in the atmosphere through
> photosynthesis. Cyanobacteria, archaea, and bacteria are
> prokaryotes—primitive organisms made of single cells that lack cell
> nuclei and other organelles.
> [...]
>
> "Scientists propose". In other words, we don't yet know.

"propose" based on the evidence.

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 3/11/2024 4:58 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
>> Kualinar wrote:
>>> Le 2024-03-10 à 21:37, Siri Cruise a écrit :
>>>> Jon Brady wrote:
>>>>>>>> Life was not created by "god." That's only a childish fair tale.
>>>>>>> Where did the RNA come from?
>>>>>> Random mixing of molecules.
>>>>> Who created the molecules so they could do that, Rudy?
>>>>
>>>> Experiments like Miller-Urey show that simple molecules can be
>>>> synthesised into complex molecules, some significant to terrestrial
>>>> life, with modest input energy like ultraviolet light or electric
>>>> discharges.
>>>>
>>>> Additional experiments show some molecules have limitted abiotic
>>>> creation and longetivity.
>>>>
>>>> We mostly know how DNA is replicated using proteins.
>>>> RNA replication without proteins? That's what the news is about, an
>>>> example of replicating RNA without bootstrapping proteins.
>>>>
>>>> We got theories to take us from models of early earth almost to
>>>> most of the molecules of inefficient but possible life. Best on
>>>> chance and organic chemistry without needing a god. It's rational
>>>> for a person to conclude we will be able to explain everything
>>>> without a god.
>>>>
>>>> There's no evidence a god was not involved. It remains that it is
>>>> as rational to believe in a creator god as to disbelieve.
>>>>
>>>> It comes done to choice, an unforced choice, to believe or disbelieve.
>>>>
>>> Adding a god does nothing but add complexity to the problem and
>>> don't solve anything.
>>
>> Either a god added itself or no god. Your aesthetics are irrelevant.
>> Reality is what reality is, and we're whistling past the graveyard
>> with all our theories and philosophies. Belief and disbelief are
>> equally rational.
>>
>
> Problem is that there are an infinite number of "beliefs" but really
> only one "disbelief".  As the "beliefs" contradict each other, at
> least in some respects, they cannot all be true; how to choose?  On
> the other hand, "disbelief" is at least falsifiable, which makes it
> more rational than all the others, because "disbelief" opens itself up
> to being proved wrong.

yes disbelief is the most rational position

>
> Dawn

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The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

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Siri Cruise wrote:
> Maximus wrote:
>>>
>>>      This "designer" cannot be very intelligent,
>>> given that 99% of the species it created failed
>>> went extinct.
>>
>> It must also be a creature that takes delight in human suffering
>>
>>
>
> See also the Book of Job. The bible oft repeats to fear god. That
> doesn't change whether there is god. The Truth is what it is whether
> you approve or no.
>

and the truth is it's entirely rational that if God created this world
and all that is in it he takes at least some pleasure in human
suffering, is indifferent to it, or has no desire to prevent it, and yes
I do disapprove. fortunately there are many great and noble people in
various fields of human endeavor, who dedicate themselves entirely to
the cause of the betterment of mankind, and whatever can be done to
reduce and eliminate human suffering however possible, as there has been
throughout history.

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"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"Religion is an evil who's goal is mind control"

Siri Cruise wrote:

> Rod Flanders wrote:
> >> Let's hope he can explain what he really means by 'just happen' : )
> >
> > Processes don't just happen, only a mind is can invent one.
> >
> > Natural selection is seen so we know God invented it.
> >
>
> You can't see natural selection. Just like you can't General
> Relativity except as printed on a piece of paper. You can see
> evolution without human breeding for which natural selection is
> the current best theory. You're confusing facts and explanation of
> facts.

Only God can create natural selection.

You should stick to baking bread and ironing shirts.

On 17/03/2024 3:04 am, Kualinar wrote:
> Le 2024-03-16 à 05:31, Whisper a écrit :
>>
>>
>> I don't believe in god without evidence.  I do believe in natural
>> selection, but that doesn't answer my other question 'how did natural
>> selection start?'.  You dismissed it as stupidity on my part, but that
>> just makes you sound like you have no fucking idea, which is obvious
>> when reading your posts.  Your answer is no different to 'god did it'.
>>
>>
> Natural selection started when life emerged. Evolution and natural
> selections are natural processes. Life is a natural process. The
> question «how did natural selection start ?» is just an attempt at
> reversing the burden of proof.

So natural selection started when life emerged? How did life emerge?

On 17/03/2024 6:36 am, Rod Flanders wrote:
> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 16/03/2024 2:45 am, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two posts,
>>>> you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
>>>> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just
>>>> happen.
>>>
>>> Just happen?
>>> What is you evidence for that?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Let's hope he can explain what he really means by 'just happen' : )
>
>
> Processes don't just happen, only a mind is can invent one.
>
> Natural selection is seen so we know God invented it.
>

Not sure why god would bother creating natural selection?

On 17/03/2024 11:18 am, Maximus wrote:
> Whisper wrote:
>> On 16/03/2024 9:27 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 13:57, David Hartung a écrit :
>>
>>
>> I don't believe in god without evidence.  I do believe in natural
>> selection, but that doesn't answer my other question 'how did natural
>> selection start?'.
>
> so your question then is, how did life begin. science has progressively
> been trying to answer that. natural selection however is simply
> organism's response to their environment.
>

But why is the organism responding to the environment? What caused that
ability/function?

On 17/03/2024 1:19 pm, Siri Cruise wrote:
> Kualinar wrote:
>> Adding a god does nothing but add complexity to the problem and don't
>> solve anything.
>
> Truth doesn't depend on what you deem necessary. Truth is.
>

Who gets to decide what the truth is?

On 17/03/2024 9:06 pm, Rod Flanders wrote:
> Siri Cruise wrote:
>
>> Rod Flanders wrote:
>>>> Let's hope he can explain what he really means by 'just happen' : )
>>>
>>> Processes don't just happen, only a mind is can invent one.
>>>
>>> Natural selection is seen so we know God invented it.
>>>
>>
>> You can't see natural selection. Just like you can't General
>> Relativity except as printed on a piece of paper. You can see
>> evolution without human breeding for which natural selection is
>> the current best theory. You're confusing facts and explanation of
>> facts.
>
>
> Only God can create natural selection.
>

Why would he bother creating natural selection? Why create galaxies,
round planets etc? Surely a god would just create a flat earth with a
bunch of humans he can judge as they go through their lives and decide
who gets to uplevel to next round?

Whisper wrote:
> On 17/03/2024 11:18 am, Maximus wrote:
>> Whisper wrote:
>>> On 16/03/2024 9:27 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 13:57, David Hartung a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe in god without evidence.  I do believe in natural
>>> selection, but that doesn't answer my other question 'how did
>>> natural selection start?'.
>>
>> so your question then is, how did life begin. science has
>> progressively been trying to answer that. natural selection however
>> is simply organism's response to their environment.
>>
>
>
> But why is the organism responding to the environment?

to survive, to exist

>   What caused that ability/function?
>

being alive

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"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"Religion is an evil who's goal is mind control"

Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in news:ut5lkh$3ai0t$1@dont-
email.me:

> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> This "designer" cannot be very intelligent,
>> given that 99% of the species it created failed
>> went extinct.
>
> That's your arrogance again. Unless you know what a supposed
> designer was designing you are in no position to evaluate the
> design.

What is this designer trying to do
and why so many failed attempts at it?

Le 2024-03-17 à 06:37, Whisper a écrit :
> On 17/03/2024 11:18 am, Maximus wrote:
>> Whisper wrote:
>>> On 16/03/2024 9:27 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 13:57, David Hartung a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe in god without evidence.  I do believe in natural
>>> selection, but that doesn't answer my other question 'how did natural
>>> selection start?'.
>>
>> so your question then is, how did life begin. science has
>> progressively been trying to answer that. natural selection however is
>> simply organism's response to their environment.
>>
>
>
> But why is the organism responding to the environment?  What caused that
> ability/function?
>
You really sound like a tiddler asking Why ?

Le 2024-03-16 à 21:32, Mitchell Holman a écrit :
> Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in
> news:B9mJN.578041$xHn7.27465@fx14.iad:
>
>> On 3/16/2024 5:50 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 3/15/24 20:58, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>> news:UySdnTsgoMGt8Gn4nZ2dnZfqnPsAAAAA@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>> kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
>>>>>> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another
>>>>>> natural process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural
>>>>>> processes just happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just happen?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Yes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What is you evidence for that?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Geology, botany, paleontology,
>>>> microbiology, astronomy, climatology,
>>>> archeology, cosmology.............
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://opengeology.org/historicalgeology/a-brief-history-of-earth/
>>>
>>> This is the only link which discusses the origin of life and possible
>>> evolution. Here is the first paragraph in that section:
>>> [...]
>>> Early life in the Archean and earlier is poorly documented in the
>>> fossil record. Based on chemical evidence and evolutionary theory,
>>> scientists propose this life would have been single-celled
>>> photosynthetic organisms, such as the cyanobacteria that created
>>> stromatolites. Cyanobacteria produced free oxygen in the atmosphere
>>> through photosynthesis. Cyanobacteria, archaea, and bacteria are
>>> prokaryotes—primitive organisms made of single cells that lack cell
>>> nuclei and other organelles.
>>
>> A whole bunch of words Hartung has never heard nor read before.
>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> "Scientists propose". In other words, we don't yet know.
>>
>> And so you propose your "god of the gaps" fallacy to supply an answer
>> that you find comforting, but not necessarily right...and probably
>> wrong.
>>
>
>
> Hartung doesn't care if an answer is
> right or wrong, only that it is biblical.
>
> Because the Bible has never been
> disproved, you know.
>
>
>
>
> "Had anything in the Bible been disproved,
> you might have a point."
> David Hartung, Jan 10, 2012

Well... There ARE so many things from the bible that HAVE been disproved.
Just one, but, a pretty big one :
When the Israelite came upon Jericho, it was NOT a big city surrounded
by stone walls. It was a small village, barely more than a hamlet,
surrounded by a wooden palisade to keep wild animals and wandering
raiders at bay.

Then, there are the 1000's of internal contradictions...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Why are you so fearful?
>

Le 2024-03-16 à 15:36, Rod Flanders a écrit :
> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 16/03/2024 2:45 am, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>, kuakinar@videotron.ca
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all come
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two posts,
>>>> you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another natural
>>>> process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural processes just
>>>> happen.
>>>
>>> Just happen?
>>> What is you evidence for that?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Let's hope he can explain what he really means by 'just happen' : )
>
>
> Processes don't just happen, only a mind is can invent one.
Yes they do. ALL natural processes just happen, and they don't need a
mind to «invent» them. The mind is just there to discover, identify,
describe and explain them. The mind is required to NAME the process, but
not to «invent» them, as they are not invented.
>
> Natural selection is seen so we know God invented it.
>
Plugging your god of the gaps again.

Le 2024-03-17 à 06:40, Whisper a écrit :
> On 17/03/2024 1:19 pm, Siri Cruise wrote:
>> Kualinar wrote:
>>> Adding a god does nothing but add complexity to the problem and don't
>>> solve anything.
>>
>> Truth doesn't depend on what you deem necessary. Truth is.
>>
>
>
> Who gets to decide what the truth is?
Truth is what concord the best with reality.

On 3/17/2024 3:40 AM, Whisper wrote:
> On 17/03/2024 1:19 pm, Siri Cruise wrote:
>> Kualinar wrote:
>>> Adding a god does nothing but add complexity to the problem and don't solve
>>> anything.
>>
>> Truth doesn't depend on what you deem necessary. Truth is.
>>
>
>
> Who gets to decide what the truth is?

"David Hurley is the current governor-general of Australia."

Did someone "decide" if that's a true statement, or is it just a true statement,
full stop?

You idiot.

On 3/17/24 10:50, Kualinar wrote:
> Le 2024-03-16 à 21:32, Mitchell Holman a écrit :
>> Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in
>> news:B9mJN.578041$xHn7.27465@fx14.iad:
>>
>>> On 3/16/2024 5:50 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/24 20:58, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:UySdnTsgoMGt8Gn4nZ2dnZfqnPsAAAAA@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>>>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
>>>>>>> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another
>>>>>>> natural process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural
>>>>>>> processes just happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just happen?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What is you evidence for that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       Geology, botany, paleontology,
>>>>> microbiology, astronomy, climatology,
>>>>> archeology, cosmology.............
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://opengeology.org/historicalgeology/a-brief-history-of-earth/
>>>>
>>>> This is the only link which discusses the origin of life and possible
>>>> evolution. Here is the first paragraph in that section:
>>>> [...]
>>>> Early life in the Archean and earlier is poorly documented in the
>>>> fossil record. Based on chemical evidence and evolutionary theory,
>>>> scientists propose this life would have been single-celled
>>>> photosynthetic organisms, such as the cyanobacteria that created
>>>> stromatolites. Cyanobacteria produced free oxygen in the atmosphere
>>>> through photosynthesis. Cyanobacteria, archaea, and bacteria are
>>>> prokaryotes—primitive organisms made of single cells that lack cell
>>>> nuclei and other organelles.
>>>
>>> A whole bunch of words Hartung has never heard nor read before.
>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> "Scientists propose". In other words, we don't yet know.
>>>
>>> And so you propose your "god of the gaps" fallacy to supply an answer
>>> that you find comforting, but not necessarily right...and probably
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>
>>       Hartung doesn't care if an answer is
>> right or wrong, only that it is biblical.
>>
>>       Because the Bible has never been
>> disproved, you know.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Had anything in the Bible been disproved,
>> you might have a point."
>> David Hartung, Jan 10, 2012
>
> Well... There ARE so many things from the bible that HAVE been disproved.
> Just one, but, a pretty big one :
> When the Israelite came upon Jericho, it was NOT a big city surrounded
> by stone walls. It was a small village, barely more than a hamlet,
> surrounded by a wooden palisade to keep wild animals and wandering
> raiders at bay.

Your source for this?

> Then, there are the 1000's of internal contradictions...

Such as?

On 3/17/2024 10:10 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 3/17/24 10:50, Kualinar wrote:
>> Le 2024-03-16 à 21:32, Mitchell Holman a écrit :
>>> Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in
>>> news:B9mJN.578041$xHn7.27465@fx14.iad:
>>>
>>>> On 3/16/2024 5:50 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 3/15/24 20:58, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:UySdnTsgoMGt8Gn4nZ2dnZfqnPsAAAAA@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>>>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
>>>>>>>> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another
>>>>>>>> natural process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural
>>>>>>>> processes just happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just happen?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is you evidence for that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Geology, botany, paleontology,
>>>>>> microbiology, astronomy, climatology,
>>>>>> archeology, cosmology.............
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://opengeology.org/historicalgeology/a-brief-history-of-earth/
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the only link which discusses the origin of life and possible
>>>>> evolution. Here is the first paragraph in that section:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>> Early life in the Archean and earlier is poorly documented in the
>>>>> fossil record. Based on chemical evidence and evolutionary theory,
>>>>> scientists propose this life would have been single-celled
>>>>> photosynthetic organisms, such as the cyanobacteria that created
>>>>> stromatolites. Cyanobacteria produced free oxygen in the atmosphere
>>>>> through photosynthesis. Cyanobacteria, archaea, and bacteria are
>>>>> prokaryotes—primitive organisms made of single cells that lack cell
>>>>> nuclei and other organelles.
>>>>
>>>> A whole bunch of words Hartung has never heard nor read before.
>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> "Scientists propose". In other words, we don't yet know.
>>>>
>>>> And so you propose your "god of the gaps" fallacy to supply an answer
>>>> that you find comforting, but not necessarily right...and probably
>>>> wrong.
>>>>
>>>
>>>       Hartung doesn't care if an answer is
>>> right or wrong, only that it is biblical.
>>>
>>>       Because the Bible has never been
>>> disproved, you know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Had anything in the Bible been disproved,
>>> you might have a point."
>>> David Hartung, Jan 10, 2012
>>
>> Well... There ARE so many things from the bible that HAVE been disproved.
>> Just one, but, a pretty big one :
>> When the Israelite came upon Jericho, it was NOT a big city surrounded by
>> stone walls. It was a small village, barely more than a hamlet, surrounded by
>> a wooden palisade to keep wild animals and wandering raiders at bay.
>
> Your source for this?
>
>> Then, there are the 1000's of internal contradictions...
>
> Such as?

https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/biblical-contradictions/

David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
news:ynWdncb1J6WduWr4nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com:

> On 3/17/24 10:50, Kualinar wrote:
>> Le 2024-03-16 à 21:32, Mitchell Holman a écrit :
>>> Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in
>>> news:B9mJN.578041$xHn7.27465@fx14.iad:
>>>
>>>> On 3/16/2024 5:50 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 3/15/24 20:58, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:UySdnTsgoMGt8Gn4nZ2dnZfqnPsAAAAA@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>>>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
>>>>>>>> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another
>>>>>>>> natural process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural
>>>>>>>> processes just happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just happen?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is you evidence for that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Geology, botany, paleontology,
>>>>>> microbiology, astronomy, climatology,
>>>>>> archeology, cosmology.............
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://opengeology.org/historicalgeology/a-brief-history-of-earth
>>>>>> /
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the only link which discusses the origin of life and
>>>>> possible evolution. Here is the first paragraph in that section:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>> Early life in the Archean and earlier is poorly documented in the
>>>>> fossil record. Based on chemical evidence and evolutionary theory,
>>>>> scientists propose this life would have been single-celled
>>>>> photosynthetic organisms, such as the cyanobacteria that created
>>>>> stromatolites. Cyanobacteria produced free oxygen in the
>>>>> atmosphere through photosynthesis. Cyanobacteria, archaea, and
>>>>> bacteria are prokaryotes—primitive organisms made of single
>>>>> cells that lack cell nuclei and other organelles.
>>>>
>>>> A whole bunch of words Hartung has never heard nor read before.
>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> "Scientists propose". In other words, we don't yet know.
>>>>
>>>> And so you propose your "god of the gaps" fallacy to supply an
>>>> answer that you find comforting, but not necessarily right...and
>>>> probably wrong.
>>>>
>>>
>>>       Hartung doesn't care if an answer is
>>> right or wrong, only that it is biblical.
>>>
>>>       Because the Bible has never been
>>> disproved, you know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Had anything in the Bible been disproved,
>>> you might have a point."
>>> David Hartung, Jan 10, 2012
>>
>> Well... There ARE so many things from the bible that HAVE been
>> disproved. Just one, but, a pretty big one :
>> When the Israelite came upon Jericho, it was NOT a big city
>> surrounded by stone walls. It was a small village, barely more than a
>> hamlet, surrounded by a wooden palisade to keep wild animals and
>> wandering raiders at bay.
>
> Your source for this?

Like most "cities" in the area
Jericho was destroyed and rebuilt
over and over again. There is nothing
special about any "Joshus" attacking it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho

>
>> Then, there are the 1000's of internal contradictions...
>
> Such as?

You really should read the
Bible sometime, Hartung.

(2 Sam. 21:12);
When David was told what Aiah�s daughter Rizpah,
Saul�s concubine, had done,he went and took the
bones of Saul and his son Jonathan from the citizens
of Jabesh Gilead. They had stolen their bodies from
the public square at Beth Shan, where the Philistines
had hung them after they struck Saul down on Gilboa.

= Saul was killed by the Phillistines.

(1 Sam.1:10)
"I happened to be on Mount Gilboa," the young
man said, "and there was Saul, leaning on his
spear, with the chariots and their drivers in
hot pursuit."He asked me, "Who are you?"
An Amalekite," I answered.
Then he said to me, "Stand here by me
and kill me! I�m in the throes of death,
but I�m still alive." So I stood beside
him and killed him, because I knew that
after he had fallen he could not survive.

= Saul was killed by a young Amalekite

(1 Sam. 31:4)
"Saul said to his armor-bearer, �Draw your sword
and run me through, or these uncircumcised fellows
will come and run me through and abuse me." But his
armor-bearer was terrified and would not do it; so
Saul took his own sword and fell on it.

= Saul killed himself.

On 3/13/2024 9:06 AM, Kualinar wrote:
> Le 2024-03-12 à 20:14, Skeeter a écrit :
>
>> So you were there?
> By the reasoning behind that question, NO crime could ever be resolved
> as the inspectors where NEVER there to witness the crime being
> committed. The defendant would just have to ask the detective or expert
> «Where you there ?», and, if the answer is «No», then, the case will be
> simply thrown out.
>
> No, I was not «there», BUT, we DO have evidences about what happened.
> From those evidences, we made models. Those models describe what we
> observe and can make predictions. So, those models are valid. Using
> those models, we can go back in time and get a pretty good idea of how
> things where millions to billions of years ago.
>
> I never pretended that we know EXACTLY what happened, but, we do have a
> pretty good idea of what happened. Over time, that idea get more refined
> as we make new discoveries.

Bingo! Ask Skeeter if he believes in the death penalty. Some 30 years
or so ago before Virginia abolished capital punishment (for now at
least), an individual was executed in their electric chair based solely
upon DNA evidence.

Do you accept DNA forensic evidence, Skeeter? (Now, everyone, watch,
not-so-carefully, as this question is evaded.)

Dawn

P.S. Ken Ham made the same "rebuttal" to Dr. Bill Nye during their
debate at The Creation Museum a decade ago.

On 3/17/24 12:31, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
> news:ynWdncb1J6WduWr4nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 3/17/24 10:50, Kualinar wrote:
>>> Le 2024-03-16 Г  21:32, Mitchell Holman a Г©critВ :
>>>> Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in
>>>> news:B9mJN.578041$xHn7.27465@fx14.iad:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/16/2024 5:50 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/15/24 20:58, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:UySdnTsgoMGt8Gn4nZ2dnZfqnPsAAAAA@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-15 Г  08:38, Whisper a Г©critВ :
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 Г  17:50, Skeeter a Г©crit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.В  Where did god
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>>>>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
>>>>>>>>> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another
>>>>>>>>> natural process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural
>>>>>>>>> processes just happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just happen?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> В В В В В  Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is you evidence for that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> В В В В В  Geology, botany, paleontology,
>>>>>>> microbiology, astronomy, climatology,
>>>>>>> archeology, cosmology.............
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://opengeology.org/historicalgeology/a-brief-history-of-earth
>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the only link which discusses the origin of life and
>>>>>> possible evolution. Here is the first paragraph in that section:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Early life in the Archean and earlier is poorly documented in the
>>>>>> fossil record. Based on chemical evidence and evolutionary theory,
>>>>>> scientists propose this life would have been single-celled
>>>>>> photosynthetic organisms, such as the cyanobacteria that created
>>>>>> stromatolites. Cyanobacteria produced free oxygen in the
>>>>>> atmosphere through photosynthesis. Cyanobacteria, archaea, and
>>>>>> bacteria are prokaryotes—primitive organisms made of single
>>>>>> cells that lack cell nuclei and other organelles.
>>>>>
>>>>> A whole bunch of words Hartung has never heard nor read before.
>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Scientists propose". In other words, we don't yet know.
>>>>>
>>>>> And so you propose your "god of the gaps" fallacy to supply an
>>>>> answer that you find comforting, but not necessarily right...and
>>>>> probably wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> В В В В В  Hartung doesn't care if an answer is
>>>> right or wrong, only that it is biblical.
>>>>
>>>> В В В В В  Because the Bible has never been
>>>> disproved, you know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Had anything in the Bible been disproved,
>>>> you might have a point."
>>>> David Hartung, Jan 10, 2012
>>>
>>> Well... There ARE so many things from the bible that HAVE been
>>> disproved. Just one, but, a pretty big one :
>>> When the Israelite came upon Jericho, it was NOT a big city
>>> surrounded by stone walls. It was a small village, barely more than a
>>> hamlet, surrounded by a wooden palisade to keep wild animals and
>>> wandering raiders at bay.
>>
>> Your source for this?
>
>
> Like most "cities" in the area
> Jericho was destroyed and rebuilt
> over and over again. There is nothing
> special about any "Joshus" attacking it.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho
>
>
>
>>
>>> Then, there are the 1000's of internal contradictions...
>>
>> Such as?
>
>
> You really should read the
> Bible sometime, Hartung.
>
>
>
>
>
> (2 Sam. 21:12);
> When David was told what Aiah’s daughter Rizpah,
> Saul’s concubine, had done,he went and took the
> bones of Saul and his son Jonathan from the citizens
> of Jabesh Gilead. They had stolen their bodies from
> the public square at Beth Shan, where the Philistines
> had hung them after they struck Saul down on Gilboa.
>
>
> = Saul was killed by the Phillistines.
>
>
>
> (1 Sam.1:10)
> "I happened to be on Mount Gilboa," the young
> man said, "and there was Saul, leaning on his
> spear, with the chariots and their drivers in
> hot pursuit."He asked me, "Who are you?"
> An Amalekite," I answered.
> Then he said to me, "Stand here by me
> and kill me! I’m in the throes of death,
> but I’m still alive." So I stood beside
> him and killed him, because I knew that
> after he had fallen he could not survive.
>
>
>
> = Saul was killed by a young Amalekite
>
>
>
> (1 Sam. 31:4)
> "Saul said to his armor-bearer, “Draw your sword
> and run me through, or these uncircumcised fellows
> will come and run me through and abuse me." But his
> armor-bearer was terrified and would not do it; so
> Saul took his own sword and fell on it.
>
>
> = Saul killed himself.

It would be a good idea for you to actually read the Bible instead of
finding out of context, and incorrect quotes.

On 3/17/24 12:34, NoBody wrote:
> On 3/17/2024 10:10 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 3/17/24 10:50, Kualinar wrote:
>>> Le 2024-03-16 à 21:32, Mitchell Holman a écrit :
>>>> Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in
>>>> news:B9mJN.578041$xHn7.27465@fx14.iad:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/16/2024 5:50 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/15/24 20:58, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:UySdnTsgoMGt8Gn4nZ2dnZfqnPsAAAAA@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/15/24 10:29, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-15 à 08:38, Whisper a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/03/2024 7:13 am, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Whisper" <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:65f2d76f$1@news.ausics.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 12:47 am, Kualinar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-03-12 à 17:50, Skeeter a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <usqf5b$g9dd$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kuakinar@videotron.ca says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you can't prove anything else. So where did it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying 'god' is not the answer.  Where did god come
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did human intelligence come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An emerging property if a complex brain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did the brain come from.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Something must have created evolution?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Survival of the fittest, also known as natural selection.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but what created natural selection?
>>>>>>>>> Some say that there are no stupid questions. With your past two
>>>>>>>>> posts, you have proven that to be wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Evolution is a natural process. Natural selection is another
>>>>>>>>> natural process. NOTHING created any natural process. Natural
>>>>>>>>> processes just happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just happen?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is you evidence for that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Geology, botany, paleontology,
>>>>>>> microbiology, astronomy, climatology,
>>>>>>> archeology, cosmology.............
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://opengeology.org/historicalgeology/a-brief-history-of-earth/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the only link which discusses the origin of life and possible
>>>>>> evolution. Here is the first paragraph in that section:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Early life in the Archean and earlier is poorly documented in the
>>>>>> fossil record. Based on chemical evidence and evolutionary theory,
>>>>>> scientists propose this life would have been single-celled
>>>>>> photosynthetic organisms, such as the cyanobacteria that created
>>>>>> stromatolites. Cyanobacteria produced free oxygen in the atmosphere
>>>>>> through photosynthesis. Cyanobacteria, archaea, and bacteria are
>>>>>> prokaryotes—primitive organisms made of single cells that lack cell
>>>>>> nuclei and other organelles.
>>>>>
>>>>> A whole bunch of words Hartung has never heard nor read before.
>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Scientists propose". In other words, we don't yet know.
>>>>>
>>>>> And so you propose your "god of the gaps" fallacy to supply an answer
>>>>> that you find comforting, but not necessarily right...and probably
>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Hartung doesn't care if an answer is
>>>> right or wrong, only that it is biblical.
>>>>
>>>>       Because the Bible has never been
>>>> disproved, you know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Had anything in the Bible been disproved,
>>>> you might have a point."
>>>> David Hartung, Jan 10, 2012
>>>
>>> Well... There ARE so many things from the bible that HAVE been
>>> disproved.
>>> Just one, but, a pretty big one :
>>> When the Israelite came upon Jericho, it was NOT a big city
>>> surrounded by stone walls. It was a small village, barely more than a
>>> hamlet, surrounded by a wooden palisade to keep wild animals and
>>> wandering raiders at bay.
>>
>> Your source for this?
>>
>>> Then, there are the 1000's of internal contradictions...
>>
>> Such as?
>
> https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/biblical-contradictions/

Doesn't work.

On 3/16/2024 6:11 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> Kualinar wrote:
>>
>> YOU are the one making a positive claim, so, YOU are the one with the
>> burden of proof.
>> I just don't accept your claim. I just don't believe in a god, any god.
>
> Once you know deMorgan, 'positive claim' is verbal diarrhea.
>
> The usual rule is proof of an assertion is on the person. The actual
> rule is the burden of proof on whoever wants to change your mind.
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

Or, for those who do not wish to read the entire article:

Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat – the burden of
proof lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies.