You hear a constant strain of gun control coming from anyone with communist tendencies such as Frank.

Why haven't they said a word about every single movie coming from Hollywood is a constant stream of killing in some cases into the hundreds? These are the movies that are fed in a constant stream to kids but Frank doesn't think that has the slightest effect on these kids. He thinks that it is the guns themselves that do all of the killing.

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:15:14 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> You hear a constant strain of gun control coming from anyone with communist tendencies such as Frank.
>
> Why haven't they said a word about every single movie coming from Hollywood is a constant stream of killing in some cases into the hundreds? These are the movies that are fed in a constant stream to kids but Frank doesn't think that has the slightest effect on these kids. He thinks that it is the guns themselves that do all of the killing.

Tommy, unless someone takes the metal movie reel and bashes another person on the head and kills them that way, the guns do the killing. Not the movies. Yes, the person pulling the trigger or swinging the movie reel is the killer and has to do the action to commit murder. But I have not heard about too many people being struck over the head with movie reels.

Now, as far as movies persuading people to violence. Very possible. After all, Adolf Hitler persuaded German citizens to murder lots of people. So persuasion is very powerful. Putin is using it right now to promote his killing in Ukraine amongst his Russian citizens. And Trump and other Republicans are using speeches today to undermine democracy and America. And Tucker Carlson persuaded the killer in Buffalo to murder ten black people because of his replacement theory speeches. So propaganda is very powerful. We need more, better, speeches, talks, explaining that movies are fiction. Reality is different. And as for Trump, Republicans, Tucker, we need to explain, repeatedly, that they are lying and trying to deceive and con people.

On 6/5/2022 4:49 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:15:14 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> You hear a constant strain of gun control coming from anyone with communist tendencies such as Frank.
>>
>> Why haven't they said a word about every single movie coming from Hollywood is a constant stream of killing in some cases into the hundreds? These are the movies that are fed in a constant stream to kids but Frank doesn't think that has the slightest effect on these kids. He thinks that it is the guns themselves that do all of the killing.
>
> Tommy, unless someone takes the metal movie reel and bashes another person on the head and kills them that way, the guns do the killing. Not the movies. Yes, the person pulling the trigger or swinging the movie reel is the killer and has to do the action to commit murder. But I have not heard about too many people being struck over the head with movie reels.
>
> Now, as far as movies persuading people to violence. Very possible. After all, Adolf Hitler persuaded German citizens to murder lots of people. So persuasion is very powerful. Putin is using it right now to promote his killing in Ukraine amongst his Russian citizens. And Trump and other Republicans are using speeches today to undermine democracy and America. And Tucker Carlson persuaded the killer in Buffalo to murder ten black people because of his replacement theory speeches. So propaganda is very powerful. We need more, better, speeches, talks, explaining that movies are fiction. Reality is different. And as for Trump, Republicans, Tucker, we need to explain, repeatedly, that they are lying and trying to deceive and con people.
>

You may be thinking of a different incident.
Buffalo wacko self identifies as an 'eco socialist'[1]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-buffalo-shooter-was-an-eco-socialist-racist-who-hated-fox-news-and-ben-shapiro

https://www.westernjournal.com/confirmed-buffalo-killer-wasnt-conservative-also-despised-fox-news-greg-gutfeld-ben-shapiro-rupert-murdoch/

[1] whatever the hell that means
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 6/5/2022 5:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> You hear a constant strain of gun control coming from anyone with communist tendencies such as Frank.
>
> Why haven't they said a word about every single movie coming from Hollywood is a constant stream of killing in some cases into the hundreds? These are the movies that are fed in a constant stream to kids but Frank doesn't think that has the slightest effect on these kids. He thinks that it is the guns themselves that do all of the killing.

Tom Kunich, 2/23/22: "I will filter out John, Frank, Jeff, Russell and
Flunky and only address bicycle related postings."

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 6/5/2022 6:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/5/2022 4:49 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:15:14 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> You hear a constant strain of gun control coming from anyone with
>>> communist tendencies such as Frank.
>>>
>>> Why haven't they said a word about every single movie coming from
>>> Hollywood is a constant stream of killing in some cases into the
>>> hundreds? These are the movies that are fed in a constant stream to
>>> kids but Frank doesn't think that has the slightest effect on these
>>> kids. He thinks that it is the guns themselves that do all of the
>>> killing.
>>
>> Tommy, unless someone takes the metal movie reel and bashes another
>> person on the head and kills them that way, the guns do the killing.
>> Not the movies.  Yes, the person pulling the trigger or swinging the
>> movie reel is the killer and has to do the action to commit murder.
>> But I have not heard about too many people being struck over the head
>> with movie reels.
>>
>> Now, as far as movies persuading people to violence.  Very possible.
>> After all, Adolf Hitler persuaded German citizens to murder lots of
>> people.  So persuasion is very powerful.  Putin is using it right now
>> to promote his killing in Ukraine amongst his Russian citizens.  And
>> Trump and other Republicans are using speeches today to undermine
>> democracy and America.  And Tucker Carlson persuaded the killer in
>> Buffalo to murder ten black people because of his replacement theory
>> speeches.  So propaganda is very powerful.  We need more, better,
>> speeches, talks, explaining that movies are fiction.  Reality is
>> different.  And as for Trump, Republicans, Tucker, we need to explain,
>> repeatedly, that they are lying and trying to deceive and con people.
>>
>
>
> You may be thinking of a different incident.
> Buffalo wacko self identifies as an 'eco socialist'[1]
>
> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-buffalo-shooter-was-an-eco-socialist-racist-who-hated-fox-news-and-ben-shapiro
>
>
> https://www.westernjournal.com/confirmed-buffalo-killer-wasnt-conservative-also-despised-fox-news-greg-gutfeld-ben-shapiro-rupert-murdoch/
>
>
>
> [1] whatever the hell that means

FWIW: If you want a law that says "Eco socialists are not be allowed to
buy rapid fire weapons," I'd be fine with that. At least it would be a
first step.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 21:40:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 6/5/2022 6:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 6/5/2022 4:49 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:15:14 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> You hear a constant strain of gun control coming from anyone with
>>>> communist tendencies such as Frank.
>>>>
>>>> Why haven't they said a word about every single movie coming from
>>>> Hollywood is a constant stream of killing in some cases into the
>>>> hundreds? These are the movies that are fed in a constant stream to
>>>> kids but Frank doesn't think that has the slightest effect on these
>>>> kids. He thinks that it is the guns themselves that do all of the
>>>> killing.
>>>
>>> Tommy, unless someone takes the metal movie reel and bashes another
>>> person on the head and kills them that way, the guns do the killing.
>>> Not the movies.  Yes, the person pulling the trigger or swinging the
>>> movie reel is the killer and has to do the action to commit murder.
>>> But I have not heard about too many people being struck over the head
>>> with movie reels.
>>>
>>> Now, as far as movies persuading people to violence.  Very possible.
>>> After all, Adolf Hitler persuaded German citizens to murder lots of
>>> people.  So persuasion is very powerful.  Putin is using it right now
>>> to promote his killing in Ukraine amongst his Russian citizens.  And
>>> Trump and other Republicans are using speeches today to undermine
>>> democracy and America.  And Tucker Carlson persuaded the killer in
>>> Buffalo to murder ten black people because of his replacement theory
>>> speeches.  So propaganda is very powerful.  We need more, better,
>>> speeches, talks, explaining that movies are fiction.  Reality is
>>> different.  And as for Trump, Republicans, Tucker, we need to explain,
>>> repeatedly, that they are lying and trying to deceive and con people.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You may be thinking of a different incident.
>> Buffalo wacko self identifies as an 'eco socialist'[1]
>>
>> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-buffalo-shooter-was-an-eco-socialist-racist-who-hated-fox-news-and-ben-shapiro
>>
>>
>> https://www.westernjournal.com/confirmed-buffalo-killer-wasnt-conservative-also-despised-fox-news-greg-gutfeld-ben-shapiro-rupert-murdoch/
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] whatever the hell that means
>
>FWIW: If you want a law that says "Eco socialists are not be allowed to
>buy rapid fire weapons," I'd be fine with that. At least it would be a
>first step.

But Frank, looking at states by gun ownership and gun crime there
doesn't seem to be a correlation between gun ownership and gun crime
rate.

For example:

Delaware has the lowest gun ownership of 5.2% and a gun murder rate of
5.5/100,000
Rhode Island - Guns 5.8% and gun murder rate of 0.9/100,000

In fact the state with the highest gun ownership rate - Alaska - guns
61.7 has a murder rate of 5.3, that is lower then the state with the
lowest gun ownership.

And even more enlightening is that the nine states with the highest
level of gun ownership all have a lower murder rate then Delaware, the
state with the lowest ownership.

As for your silly assertion "Eco socialists are not be allowed to
buy rapid fire weapons"? Well as Andrew has told you Jerry Miculek,
fastest revolver shooter ever, fired 8 rounds in 1 sec. that is a rate
of fire of 480 rounds/minute. The M-16 has a rate of fire of 700 - 950
rounds/minute
Should we specify "rapid fire - greater then 480 rounds/minute"
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 9:16:12 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 21:40:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 6/5/2022 6:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 6/5/2022 4:49 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:15:14 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> You hear a constant strain of gun control coming from anyone with
> >>>> communist tendencies such as Frank.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why haven't they said a word about every single movie coming from
> >>>> Hollywood is a constant stream of killing in some cases into the
> >>>> hundreds? These are the movies that are fed in a constant stream to
> >>>> kids but Frank doesn't think that has the slightest effect on these
> >>>> kids. He thinks that it is the guns themselves that do all of the
> >>>> killing.
> >>>
> >>> Tommy, unless someone takes the metal movie reel and bashes another
> >>> person on the head and kills them that way, the guns do the killing.
> >>> Not the movies. Yes, the person pulling the trigger or swinging the
> >>> movie reel is the killer and has to do the action to commit murder.
> >>> But I have not heard about too many people being struck over the head
> >>> with movie reels.
> >>>
> >>> Now, as far as movies persuading people to violence. Very possible.
> >>> After all, Adolf Hitler persuaded German citizens to murder lots of
> >>> people. So persuasion is very powerful. Putin is using it right now
> >>> to promote his killing in Ukraine amongst his Russian citizens. And
> >>> Trump and other Republicans are using speeches today to undermine
> >>> democracy and America. And Tucker Carlson persuaded the killer in
> >>> Buffalo to murder ten black people because of his replacement theory
> >>> speeches. So propaganda is very powerful. We need more, better,
> >>> speeches, talks, explaining that movies are fiction. Reality is
> >>> different. And as for Trump, Republicans, Tucker, we need to explain,
> >>> repeatedly, that they are lying and trying to deceive and con people.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> You may be thinking of a different incident.
> >> Buffalo wacko self identifies as an 'eco socialist'[1]
> >>
> >> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-buffalo-shooter-was-an-eco-socialist-racist-who-hated-fox-news-and-ben-shapiro
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.westernjournal.com/confirmed-buffalo-killer-wasnt-conservative-also-despised-fox-news-greg-gutfeld-ben-shapiro-rupert-murdoch/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] whatever the hell that means
> >
> >FWIW: If you want a law that says "Eco socialists are not be allowed to
> >buy rapid fire weapons," I'd be fine with that. At least it would be a
> >first step.
> But Frank, looking at states by gun ownership and gun crime there
> doesn't seem to be a correlation between gun ownership and gun crime
> rate.
>
> For example:
>
> Delaware has the lowest gun ownership of 5.2% and a gun murder rate of
> 5.5/100,000
> Rhode Island - Guns 5.8% and gun murder rate of 0.9/100,000

???????????
John, you will have to provide support for your gun ownership percentages. To put it very bluntly, your percentages for Delaware and Rhode Island in the 5% range are stupid sounding. At least based on some of the links I found. Your Alaska of 61.7% below does sound correct though. So please provide support if you want to continue this discussion. Your above numbers are stupid.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownership-by-state
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/gun-ownership-rates-by-state/7/
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/gun-ownership.html

As for your gun murder numbers, I found some sources that disagree with you.. Although they are firearm deaths, not gun murders. So suicides are included.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-deaths-by-state

Lets look at only the links from worldpopulationreview.com to compare gun deaths and gun ownership. Same source. But different years unfortunately. 2018 for deaths and 2022 for ownership.

Here are the 10 states with the highest rates of gun death:
Alaska (23 per 100,000 people)
Alabama (21.4 per 100,000 people)
Louisiana (21.2 per 100,000 people)
Mississippi (19.8 per 100,000 people)
Oklahoma (19.6 per 100,000 people)
Montana (19 per 100,000 people)
Missouri (18.8 per 100,000 people)
New Mexico (18.2 per 100,000 people)
Arkansas (17.7 per 100,000 people)
South Carolina (17.7 per 100,000 people)

Here are the 10 states with the highest rates of gun ownership:
Montana (66.30%)
Wyoming (66.20%)
Alaska (64.50%)
Idaho (60.10%)
West Virginia (58.50%)
Arkansas (57.20%)
Mississippi (55.80%)
Alabama (55.50%)
South Dakota (55.30%)
North Dakota (55.10%)

Correlation time. These are the states that appear in both lists: Alaska, Montana, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas.

Please note that all of these states with the highest gun ownership, and the highest gun deaths, are also extremely Republican states. And have extremely lax, no, gun laws of any kind at all.

John, I have proven this post by you is very nonsensical.

>
> In fact the state with the highest gun ownership rate - Alaska - guns
> 61.7 has a murder rate of 5.3, that is lower then the state with the
> lowest gun ownership.
>
> And even more enlightening is that the nine states with the highest
> level of gun ownership all have a lower murder rate then Delaware, the
> state with the lowest ownership.
>
> As for your silly assertion "Eco socialists are not be allowed to
> buy rapid fire weapons"? Well as Andrew has told you Jerry Miculek,
> fastest revolver shooter ever, fired 8 rounds in 1 sec. that is a rate
> of fire of 480 rounds/minute. The M-16 has a rate of fire of 700 - 950
> rounds/minute
> Should we specify "rapid fire - greater then 480 rounds/minute"
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 19:55:05 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 9:16:12 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 21:40:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 6/5/2022 6:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> On 6/5/2022 4:49 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:15:14 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>> You hear a constant strain of gun control coming from anyone with
>> >>>> communist tendencies such as Frank.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Why haven't they said a word about every single movie coming from
>> >>>> Hollywood is a constant stream of killing in some cases into the
>> >>>> hundreds? These are the movies that are fed in a constant stream to
>> >>>> kids but Frank doesn't think that has the slightest effect on these
>> >>>> kids. He thinks that it is the guns themselves that do all of the
>> >>>> killing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Tommy, unless someone takes the metal movie reel and bashes another
>> >>> person on the head and kills them that way, the guns do the killing.
>> >>> Not the movies. Yes, the person pulling the trigger or swinging the
>> >>> movie reel is the killer and has to do the action to commit murder.
>> >>> But I have not heard about too many people being struck over the head
>> >>> with movie reels.
>> >>>
>> >>> Now, as far as movies persuading people to violence. Very possible.
>> >>> After all, Adolf Hitler persuaded German citizens to murder lots of
>> >>> people. So persuasion is very powerful. Putin is using it right now
>> >>> to promote his killing in Ukraine amongst his Russian citizens. And
>> >>> Trump and other Republicans are using speeches today to undermine
>> >>> democracy and America. And Tucker Carlson persuaded the killer in
>> >>> Buffalo to murder ten black people because of his replacement theory
>> >>> speeches. So propaganda is very powerful. We need more, better,
>> >>> speeches, talks, explaining that movies are fiction. Reality is
>> >>> different. And as for Trump, Republicans, Tucker, we need to explain,
>> >>> repeatedly, that they are lying and trying to deceive and con people.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You may be thinking of a different incident.
>> >> Buffalo wacko self identifies as an 'eco socialist'[1]
>> >>
>> >> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-buffalo-shooter-was-an-eco-socialist-racist-who-hated-fox-news-and-ben-shapiro
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> https://www.westernjournal.com/confirmed-buffalo-killer-wasnt-conservative-also-despised-fox-news-greg-gutfeld-ben-shapiro-rupert-murdoch/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [1] whatever the hell that means
>> >
>> >FWIW: If you want a law that says "Eco socialists are not be allowed to
>> >buy rapid fire weapons," I'd be fine with that. At least it would be a
>> >first step.
>> But Frank, looking at states by gun ownership and gun crime there
>> doesn't seem to be a correlation between gun ownership and gun crime
>> rate.
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> Delaware has the lowest gun ownership of 5.2% and a gun murder rate of
>> 5.5/100,000
>> Rhode Island - Guns 5.8% and gun murder rate of 0.9/100,000
>
>???????????
>John, you will have to provide support for your gun ownership percentages. To put it very bluntly, your percentages for Delaware and Rhode Island in the 5% range are stupid sounding. At least based on some of the links I found. Your Alaska of 61.7% below does sound correct though. So please provide support if you want to continue this discussion. Your above numbers are stupid.
>
>https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownership-by-state
>https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/gun-ownership-rates-by-state/7/
>https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/gun-ownership.html
>
>As for your gun murder numbers, I found some sources that disagree with you. Although they are firearm deaths, not gun murders. So suicides are included.
>
>https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
>https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-deaths-by-state
>
>Lets look at only the links from worldpopulationreview.com to compare gun deaths and gun ownership. Same source. But different years unfortunately. 2018 for deaths and 2022 for ownership.
>
>Here are the 10 states with the highest rates of gun death:
>Alaska (23 per 100,000 people)
>Alabama (21.4 per 100,000 people)
>Louisiana (21.2 per 100,000 people)
>Mississippi (19.8 per 100,000 people)
>Oklahoma (19.6 per 100,000 people)
>Montana (19 per 100,000 people)
>Missouri (18.8 per 100,000 people)
>New Mexico (18.2 per 100,000 people)
>Arkansas (17.7 per 100,000 people)
>South Carolina (17.7 per 100,000 people)
>
>Here are the 10 states with the highest rates of gun ownership:
>Montana (66.30%)
>Wyoming (66.20%)
>Alaska (64.50%)
>Idaho (60.10%)
>West Virginia (58.50%)
>Arkansas (57.20%)
>Mississippi (55.80%)
>Alabama (55.50%)
>South Dakota (55.30%)
>North Dakota (55.10%)
>
>Correlation time. These are the states that appear in both lists: Alaska, Montana, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas.
>
>Please note that all of these states with the highest gun ownership, and the highest gun deaths, are also extremely Republican states. And have extremely lax, no, gun laws of any kind at all.
>
>John, I have proven this post by you is very nonsensical.
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state#cite_note-4
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 6/5/2022 8:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 6/5/2022 6:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 6/5/2022 4:49 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:15:14 PM UTC-5,
>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> You hear a constant strain of gun control coming from
>>>> anyone with communist tendencies such as Frank.
>>>>
>>>> Why haven't they said a word about every single movie
>>>> coming from Hollywood is a constant stream of killing in
>>>> some cases into the hundreds? These are the movies that
>>>> are fed in a constant stream to kids but Frank doesn't
>>>> think that has the slightest effect on these kids. He
>>>> thinks that it is the guns themselves that do all of the
>>>> killing.
>>>
>>> Tommy, unless someone takes the metal movie reel and
>>> bashes another person on the head and kills them that
>>> way, the guns do the killing. Not the movies. Yes, the
>>> person pulling the trigger or swinging the movie reel is
>>> the killer and has to do the action to commit murder. But
>>> I have not heard about too many people being struck over
>>> the head with movie reels.
>>>
>>> Now, as far as movies persuading people to violence.Â
>>> Very possible. After all, Adolf Hitler persuaded German
>>> citizens to murder lots of people. So persuasion is
>>> very powerful. Putin is using it right now to promote
>>> his killing in Ukraine amongst his Russian citizens.Â
>>> And Trump and other Republicans are using speeches today
>>> to undermine democracy and America. And Tucker Carlson
>>> persuaded the killer in Buffalo to murder ten black
>>> people because of his replacement theory speeches. So
>>> propaganda is very powerful. We need more, better,
>>> speeches, talks, explaining that movies are fiction.Â
>>> Reality is different. And as for Trump, Republicans,
>>> Tucker, we need to explain, repeatedly, that they are
>>> lying and trying to deceive and con people.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You may be thinking of a different incident.
>> Buffalo wacko self identifies as an 'eco socialist'[1]
>>
>> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-buffalo-shooter-was-an-eco-socialist-racist-who-hated-fox-news-and-ben-shapiro
>>
>>
>> https://www.westernjournal.com/confirmed-buffalo-killer-wasnt-conservative-also-despised-fox-news-greg-gutfeld-ben-shapiro-rupert-murdoch/
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] whatever the hell that means
>
> FWIW: If you want a law that says "Eco socialists are not be
> allowed to buy rapid fire weapons," I'd be fine with that.
> At least it would be a first step.
>

As Milton Friedman pithily noted on many subjects, the real
issue is , "Who decides?". The history of 'arms control'
shows a decided trend (US blacks, Jews in Germany and
Austria, etc etc)

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 5:44:30 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/5/2022 8:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 6/5/2022 6:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 6/5/2022 4:49 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:15:14 PM UTC-5,
> >>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> You hear a constant strain of gun control coming from
> >>>> anyone with communist tendencies such as Frank.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why haven't they said a word about every single movie
> >>>> coming from Hollywood is a constant stream of killing in
> >>>> some cases into the hundreds? These are the movies that
> >>>> are fed in a constant stream to kids but Frank doesn't
> >>>> think that has the slightest effect on these kids. He
> >>>> thinks that it is the guns themselves that do all of the
> >>>> killing.
> >>>
> >>> Tommy, unless someone takes the metal movie reel and
> >>> bashes another person on the head and kills them that
> >>> way, the guns do the killing. Not the movies. Yes, the
> >>> person pulling the trigger or swinging the movie reel is
> >>> the killer and has to do the action to commit murder. But
> >>> I have not heard about too many people being struck over
> >>> the head with movie reels.
> >>>
> >>> Now, as far as movies persuading people to violence.Â
> >>> Very possible. After all, Adolf Hitler persuaded German
> >>> citizens to murder lots of people. So persuasion is
> >>> very powerful. Putin is using it right now to promote
> >>> his killing in Ukraine amongst his Russian citizens.Â
> >>> And Trump and other Republicans are using speeches today
> >>> to undermine democracy and America. And Tucker Carlson
> >>> persuaded the killer in Buffalo to murder ten black
> >>> people because of his replacement theory speeches. So
> >>> propaganda is very powerful. We need more, better,
> >>> speeches, talks, explaining that movies are fiction.Â
> >>> Reality is different. And as for Trump, Republicans,
> >>> Tucker, we need to explain, repeatedly, that they are
> >>> lying and trying to deceive and con people.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> You may be thinking of a different incident.
> >> Buffalo wacko self identifies as an 'eco socialist'[1]
> >>
> >> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-buffalo-shooter-was-an-eco-socialist-racist-who-hated-fox-news-and-ben-shapiro
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.westernjournal.com/confirmed-buffalo-killer-wasnt-conservative-also-despised-fox-news-greg-gutfeld-ben-shapiro-rupert-murdoch/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] whatever the hell that means
> >
> > FWIW: If you want a law that says "Eco socialists are not be
> > allowed to buy rapid fire weapons," I'd be fine with that.
> > At least it would be a first step.
> >
> As Milton Friedman pithily noted on many subjects, the real
> issue is , "Who decides?". The history of 'arms control'
> shows a decided trend (US blacks, Jews in Germany and
> Austria, etc etc)
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Frank wants to limit firearms to white police officers. He is the quintessential Democrat. A communist at heart that prefers total control of a population that he doesn't understand.

On 6/5/2022 10:16 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> But Frank, looking at states by gun ownership and gun crime there
> doesn't seem to be a correlation between gun ownership and gun crime
> rate.

Nation to nation, the correlation is pretty strong.

> For example:
>
> Delaware has the lowest gun ownership of 5.2% and a gun murder rate of
> 5.5/100,000
> Rhode Island - Guns 5.8% and gun murder rate of 0.9/100,000
>
> In fact the state with the highest gun ownership rate - Alaska - guns
> 61.7 has a murder rate of 5.3, that is lower then the state with the
> lowest gun ownership.

Your thinking tends toward the simplistic. You seem to be able to focus
on only one data bit at a time. Try controlling for population density.

> As for your silly assertion "Eco socialists are not be allowed to
> buy rapid fire weapons"? Well as Andrew has told you Jerry Miculek,
> fastest revolver shooter ever, fired 8 rounds in 1 sec. that is a rate
> of fire of 480 rounds/minute. The M-16 has a rate of fire of 700 - 950
> rounds/minute
> Should we specify "rapid fire - greater then 480 rounds/minute"

Since you seem to have forgotten what I've said many times before, I'll
state my position yet again. Here it is:

I see no reason any ordinary citizen should be allowed to own a gun that
can fire more than ten rounds in one minute.

In the past, this confused you greatly. You conflated instantaneous,
short term firing _rate_ with what I posted. As an example, your logic
was (somehow?) that Miculek's 480 rounds per minute proved my proposed
limit was bad. That never made logical sense.

But pay attention, please, and take notes:

A) By my proposed standard, Miculek's gun would be legal provided its
magazine (if fitted) carried no more than ten rounds, and the gun
required the rest of a minute to reload.

B) Miculek's trick has no practical purpose anyway! It's a silly macho
display as valueless as a hot rod's smoking "burn out" at a traffic light.

The only reason for rapid fire guns is to facilitate killing people.
That goes into the "disadvantage" column. I can think of no practical
advantage. Thus those guns fail the "benefits vs. detriments" test that
continues to baffle you.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 6/6/2022 8:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/5/2022 8:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>> FWIW: If you want a law that says "Eco socialists are not be
>> allowed to buy rapid fire weapons," I'd be fine with that.
>> At least it would be a first step.
>>
>
> As Milton Friedman pithily noted on many subjects, the real issue is ,
> "Who decides?". The history of 'arms control' shows a decided trend (US
> blacks, Jews in Germany and Austria, etc etc)

So many bogeymen! So much paranoia!

How about the modern history of Canada? Australia? New Zealand? Britain?
Ireland? Netherlands? ... and on and on ...

Which of those allow unfettered ownership (and even carrying) of rapid
fire weapons optimized for killing people?

What problems have they had as a result of their rational gun policies?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 11:01:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 6/5/2022 10:16 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> But Frank, looking at states by gun ownership and gun crime there
>> doesn't seem to be a correlation between gun ownership and gun crime
>> rate.
>
>Nation to nation, the correlation is pretty strong.
>
>> For example:
>>
>> Delaware has the lowest gun ownership of 5.2% and a gun murder rate of
>> 5.5/100,000
>> Rhode Island - Guns 5.8% and gun murder rate of 0.9/100,000
>>
>> In fact the state with the highest gun ownership rate - Alaska - guns
>> 61.7 has a murder rate of 5.3, that is lower then the state with the
>> lowest gun ownership.
>
>Your thinking tends toward the simplistic. You seem to be able to focus
>on only one data bit at a time. Try controlling for population density.
>
>> As for your silly assertion "Eco socialists are not be allowed to
>> buy rapid fire weapons"? Well as Andrew has told you Jerry Miculek,
>> fastest revolver shooter ever, fired 8 rounds in 1 sec. that is a rate
>> of fire of 480 rounds/minute. The M-16 has a rate of fire of 700 - 950
>> rounds/minute
>> Should we specify "rapid fire - greater then 480 rounds/minute"
>
>Since you seem to have forgotten what I've said many times before, I'll
>state my position yet again. Here it is:
>
>I see no reason any ordinary citizen should be allowed to own a gun that
>can fire more than ten rounds in one minute.
>
>In the past, this confused you greatly. You conflated instantaneous,
>short term firing _rate_ with what I posted. As an example, your logic
>was (somehow?) that Miculek's 480 rounds per minute proved my proposed
>limit was bad. That never made logical sense.
>
>But pay attention, please, and take notes:
>
>A) By my proposed standard, Miculek's gun would be legal provided its
>magazine (if fitted) carried no more than ten rounds, and the gun
>required the rest of a minute to reload.
>
>B) Miculek's trick has no practical purpose anyway! It's a silly macho
>display as valueless as a hot rod's smoking "burn out" at a traffic light.
>
>The only reason for rapid fire guns is to facilitate killing people.
>That goes into the "disadvantage" column. I can think of no practical
>advantage. Thus those guns fail the "benefits vs. detriments" test that
>continues to baffle you.

Frank, are you really that stupid?

You keep rabbeting on and on about these demon designed rapid fire
guns but obviously you, "don no nottin". The gun that Jerry Miculek
was a bog standard 8 shot revolver. As you are not leaping about and
shouting about the gun that Miculek used one can only assume that
rapid fire, per se, is not the defining factor.

So we are reduced to 10 shot magazines.... but Frank many, even most
today, "automatic pistols" (actually semi-automatic) can be fired just
as rapidly as a "civilian" assault rifle, and hold more then 10 rounds
in the magazine. The GLOCK 19 seems to be the most commonly used
"police sidearm" which will fire as fast as the trigger can be pulled
and holds 15 rounds.... and is freely available on the civilian
market.

So, tell us Frank. Is all your screaming and shouting an indication of
ignorance? Or the onset of dementia?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 8:01:14 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 11:01:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>

> >In the past, this confused you greatly. You conflated instantaneous,
> >short term firing _rate_ with what I posted. As an example, your logic
> >was (somehow?) that Miculek's 480 rounds per minute proved my proposed
> >limit was bad. That never made logical sense.
> >
> >But pay attention, please, and take notes:
> >
> >A) By my proposed standard, Miculek's gun would be legal provided its
> >magazine (if fitted) carried no more than ten rounds, and the gun
> >required the rest of a minute to reload.
> >
> >B) Miculek's trick has no practical purpose anyway! It's a silly macho
> >display as valueless as a hot rod's smoking "burn out" at a traffic light.
> >
> >The only reason for rapid fire guns is to facilitate killing people.
> >That goes into the "disadvantage" column. I can think of no practical
> >advantage. Thus those guns fail the "benefits vs. detriments" test that
> >continues to baffle you.
> Frank, are you really that stupid?
>
> You keep rabbeting on and on about these demon designed rapid fire
> guns but obviously you, "don no nottin". The gun that Jerry Miculek
> was a bog standard 8 shot revolver. As you are not leaping about and
> shouting about the gun that Miculek used one can only assume that
> rapid fire, per se, is not the defining factor.

How long does it take you to reload a revolver, John? I think a minute for the shots
plus the reload might be reasonable. Yes, it can probably be done faster - but it's still
a vast improvement over a gun that will allow any newbie to blast 30 kids within
a minute.

> So we are reduced to 10 shot magazines.... but Frank many, even most
> today, "automatic pistols" (actually semi-automatic) can be fired just
> as rapidly as a "civilian" assault rifle, and hold more then 10 rounds
> in the magazine.

I know that, John! Good grief! That's much of what I'm complaining about!

> So, tell us Frank. Is all your screaming and shouting an indication of
> ignorance? Or the onset of dementia?

I'm not screaming or shouting. I'm quite calm while typing, especially given the illogic
that's being spewed by gun defenders. You are the one who is now resorting to insults,
apparently because you can't counter my points logically.

Really, John, you're acting more like Tom every day. That should make you pause
and reflect deeply.

- Frank Krygowski

On 6/6/2022 8:56 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 8:01:14 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 11:01:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>
>>> In the past, this confused you greatly. You conflated instantaneous,
>>> short term firing _rate_ with what I posted. As an example, your logic
>>> was (somehow?) that Miculek's 480 rounds per minute proved my proposed
>>> limit was bad. That never made logical sense.
>>>
>>> But pay attention, please, and take notes:
>>>
>>> A) By my proposed standard, Miculek's gun would be legal provided its
>>> magazine (if fitted) carried no more than ten rounds, and the gun
>>> required the rest of a minute to reload.
>>>
>>> B) Miculek's trick has no practical purpose anyway! It's a silly macho
>>> display as valueless as a hot rod's smoking "burn out" at a traffic light.
>>>
>>> The only reason for rapid fire guns is to facilitate killing people.
>>> That goes into the "disadvantage" column. I can think of no practical
>>> advantage. Thus those guns fail the "benefits vs. detriments" test that
>>> continues to baffle you.
>> Frank, are you really that stupid?
>>
>> You keep rabbeting on and on about these demon designed rapid fire
>> guns but obviously you, "don no nottin". The gun that Jerry Miculek
>> was a bog standard 8 shot revolver. As you are not leaping about and
>> shouting about the gun that Miculek used one can only assume that
>> rapid fire, per se, is not the defining factor.
>
> How long does it take you to reload a revolver, John? I think a minute for the shots
> plus the reload might be reasonable. Yes, it can probably be done faster - but it's still
> a vast improvement over a gun that will allow any newbie to blast 30 kids within
> a minute.
>
>> So we are reduced to 10 shot magazines.... but Frank many, even most
>> today, "automatic pistols" (actually semi-automatic) can be fired just
>> as rapidly as a "civilian" assault rifle, and hold more then 10 rounds
>> in the magazine.
>
> I know that, John! Good grief! That's much of what I'm complaining about!
>
>> So, tell us Frank. Is all your screaming and shouting an indication of
>> ignorance? Or the onset of dementia?
>
> I'm not screaming or shouting. I'm quite calm while typing, especially given the illogic
> that's being spewed by gun defenders. You are the one who is now resorting to insults,
> apparently because you can't counter my points logically.
>
> Really, John, you're acting more like Tom every day. That should make you pause
> and reflect deeply.
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>

You need to get out more. Revolver speedloaders are not at
all new technology. As quick as a typical semi magazine
change. 1 minute video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dUjBmD_NQ

I find it handy with new shooters at the range so as not to
break the conversation. Dump, load, click. This is with a
..38 Special revolver
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/rangnm.jpg

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:18:10 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/6/2022 8:56 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >
> >
> > How long does it take you to reload a revolver, John? I think a minute for the shots
> > plus the reload might be reasonable. Yes, it can probably be done faster - but it's still
> > a vast improvement over a gun that will allow any newbie to blast 30 kids within
> > a minute.
> >
> >> So we are reduced to 10 shot magazines.... but Frank many, even most
> >> today, "automatic pistols" (actually semi-automatic) can be fired just
> >> as rapidly as a "civilian" assault rifle, and hold more then 10 rounds
> >> in the magazine.
> >
> > I know that, John! Good grief! That's much of what I'm complaining about!
> >
> >> So, tell us Frank. Is all your screaming and shouting an indication of
> >> ignorance? Or the onset of dementia?
> >
> > I'm not screaming or shouting. I'm quite calm while typing, especially given the illogic
> > that's being spewed by gun defenders. You are the one who is now resorting to insults,
> > apparently because you can't counter my points logically.
> >
> > Really, John, you're acting more like Tom every day. That should make you pause
> > and reflect deeply.
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> You need to get out more. Revolver speedloaders are not at
> all new technology. As quick as a typical semi magazine
> change. 1 minute video:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dUjBmD_NQ
>
> I find it handy with new shooters at the range so as not to
> break the conversation. Dump, load, click. This is with a
> .38 Special revolver
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/rangnm.jpg

I'd heard only vaguely about speedloaders, and know nothing about them. Given the
state of things, I guess I'm not surprised.

But I have to ask, what's the point of the guy blasting away rapidly even at a target?
What is he practicing for? When does he expect to use that skill? To kill what or whom?
How is that even mentally healthy?

- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 21:17:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 6/6/2022 8:56 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 8:01:14 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 11:01:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> In the past, this confused you greatly. You conflated instantaneous,
>>>> short term firing _rate_ with what I posted. As an example, your logic
>>>> was (somehow?) that Miculek's 480 rounds per minute proved my proposed
>>>> limit was bad. That never made logical sense.
>>>>
>>>> But pay attention, please, and take notes:
>>>>
>>>> A) By my proposed standard, Miculek's gun would be legal provided its
>>>> magazine (if fitted) carried no more than ten rounds, and the gun
>>>> required the rest of a minute to reload.
>>>>
>>>> B) Miculek's trick has no practical purpose anyway! It's a silly macho
>>>> display as valueless as a hot rod's smoking "burn out" at a traffic light.
>>>>
>>>> The only reason for rapid fire guns is to facilitate killing people.
>>>> That goes into the "disadvantage" column. I can think of no practical
>>>> advantage. Thus those guns fail the "benefits vs. detriments" test that
>>>> continues to baffle you.
>>> Frank, are you really that stupid?
>>>
>>> You keep rabbeting on and on about these demon designed rapid fire
>>> guns but obviously you, "don no nottin". The gun that Jerry Miculek
>>> was a bog standard 8 shot revolver. As you are not leaping about and
>>> shouting about the gun that Miculek used one can only assume that
>>> rapid fire, per se, is not the defining factor.
>>
>> How long does it take you to reload a revolver, John? I think a minute for the shots
>> plus the reload might be reasonable. Yes, it can probably be done faster - but it's still
>> a vast improvement over a gun that will allow any newbie to blast 30 kids within
>> a minute.
>>
>>> So we are reduced to 10 shot magazines.... but Frank many, even most
>>> today, "automatic pistols" (actually semi-automatic) can be fired just
>>> as rapidly as a "civilian" assault rifle, and hold more then 10 rounds
>>> in the magazine.
>>
>> I know that, John! Good grief! That's much of what I'm complaining about!
>>
>>> So, tell us Frank. Is all your screaming and shouting an indication of
>>> ignorance? Or the onset of dementia?
>>
>> I'm not screaming or shouting. I'm quite calm while typing, especially given the illogic
>> that's being spewed by gun defenders. You are the one who is now resorting to insults,
>> apparently because you can't counter my points logically.
>>
>> Really, John, you're acting more like Tom every day. That should make you pause
>> and reflect deeply.
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>
>You need to get out more. Revolver speedloaders are not at
>all new technology. As quick as a typical semi magazine
>change. 1 minute video:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dUjBmD_NQ
>
>I find it handy with new shooters at the range so as not to
>break the conversation. Dump, load, click. This is with a
>.38 Special revolver
>http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/rangnm.jpg

All my stories seem to start, "Well long ago" :-)

Anyway, I once knew a State Policeman, he used to practice on the Base
pistol range with us, and one day he was practicing for some sort of
police shooting match and one of the stages were 5 rounds, reload, 5
shots at (from memory) about 10 feet, in 1 minute. WOW! Anyway this
guy did it several times.... without a speed loader.

For those that think a pistol is a short range weapon, the same guy
used to go back to the 100 yard line, on the rifle range, and shoot at
a 1 gallon oil can and hit it 4 out of 5 shots. With a 4 inch barrel
S&W .38 cal (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 19:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:18:10 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 6/6/2022 8:56 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > How long does it take you to reload a revolver, John? I think a minute for the shots
>> > plus the reload might be reasonable. Yes, it can probably be done faster - but it's still
>> > a vast improvement over a gun that will allow any newbie to blast 30 kids within
>> > a minute.
>> >
>> >> So we are reduced to 10 shot magazines.... but Frank many, even most
>> >> today, "automatic pistols" (actually semi-automatic) can be fired just
>> >> as rapidly as a "civilian" assault rifle, and hold more then 10 rounds
>> >> in the magazine.
>> >
>> > I know that, John! Good grief! That's much of what I'm complaining about!
>> >
>> >> So, tell us Frank. Is all your screaming and shouting an indication of
>> >> ignorance? Or the onset of dementia?
>> >
>> > I'm not screaming or shouting. I'm quite calm while typing, especially given the illogic
>> > that's being spewed by gun defenders. You are the one who is now resorting to insults,
>> > apparently because you can't counter my points logically.
>> >
>> > Really, John, you're acting more like Tom every day. That should make you pause
>> > and reflect deeply.
>> >
>> > - Frank Krygowski
>> >
>> You need to get out more. Revolver speedloaders are not at
>> all new technology. As quick as a typical semi magazine
>> change. 1 minute video:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dUjBmD_NQ
>>
>> I find it handy with new shooters at the range so as not to
>> break the conversation. Dump, load, click. This is with a
>> .38 Special revolver
>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/rangnm.jpg
>
>I'd heard only vaguely about speedloaders, and know nothing about them. Given the
>state of things, I guess I'm not surprised.
>
>But I have to ask, what's the point of the guy blasting away rapidly even at a target?
>What is he practicing for? When does he expect to use that skill? To kill what or whom?
>How is that even mentally healthy?
>
>- Frank Krygowski

Well yes. Sort of like bicycle riding isn't it. After all, by the time
you buy the bicycle, the fancy blouse, the shorts, the shoes and (Oh
Yes) the helmet you are out several thousand dollars and even better
quality exercise can be accomplished quicker with a $100 pair
of"running shoes".
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 7:18:10 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/6/2022 8:56 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 8:01:14 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >> On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 11:01:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>
> >
> >>> In the past, this confused you greatly. You conflated instantaneous,
> >>> short term firing _rate_ with what I posted. As an example, your logic
> >>> was (somehow?) that Miculek's 480 rounds per minute proved my proposed
> >>> limit was bad. That never made logical sense.
> >>>
> >>> But pay attention, please, and take notes:
> >>>
> >>> A) By my proposed standard, Miculek's gun would be legal provided its
> >>> magazine (if fitted) carried no more than ten rounds, and the gun
> >>> required the rest of a minute to reload.
> >>>
> >>> B) Miculek's trick has no practical purpose anyway! It's a silly macho
> >>> display as valueless as a hot rod's smoking "burn out" at a traffic light.
> >>>
> >>> The only reason for rapid fire guns is to facilitate killing people.
> >>> That goes into the "disadvantage" column. I can think of no practical
> >>> advantage. Thus those guns fail the "benefits vs. detriments" test that
> >>> continues to baffle you.
> >> Frank, are you really that stupid?
> >>
> >> You keep rabbeting on and on about these demon designed rapid fire
> >> guns but obviously you, "don no nottin". The gun that Jerry Miculek
> >> was a bog standard 8 shot revolver. As you are not leaping about and
> >> shouting about the gun that Miculek used one can only assume that
> >> rapid fire, per se, is not the defining factor.
> >
> > How long does it take you to reload a revolver, John? I think a minute for the shots
> > plus the reload might be reasonable. Yes, it can probably be done faster - but it's still
> > a vast improvement over a gun that will allow any newbie to blast 30 kids within
> > a minute.
> >
> >> So we are reduced to 10 shot magazines.... but Frank many, even most
> >> today, "automatic pistols" (actually semi-automatic) can be fired just
> >> as rapidly as a "civilian" assault rifle, and hold more then 10 rounds
> >> in the magazine.
> >
> > I know that, John! Good grief! That's much of what I'm complaining about!
> >
> >> So, tell us Frank. Is all your screaming and shouting an indication of
> >> ignorance? Or the onset of dementia?
> >
> > I'm not screaming or shouting. I'm quite calm while typing, especially given the illogic
> > that's being spewed by gun defenders. You are the one who is now resorting to insults,
> > apparently because you can't counter my points logically.
> >
> > Really, John, you're acting more like Tom every day. That should make you pause
> > and reflect deeply.
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> You need to get out more. Revolver speedloaders are not at
> all new technology. As quick as a typical semi magazine
> change. 1 minute video:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dUjBmD_NQ
>
> I find it handy with new shooters at the range so as not to
> break the conversation. Dump, load, click. This is with a
> .38 Special revolver
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/rangnm.jpg

Frank has slipped so far over the edge that he has lost all contact with reality. Speed loaders can give you the ability to fire nearly as fast as with a automatic pistol and reload just as fast as inserting a clip, with practice. Even John knows what is going on with Frank now. You might say that the air is clearing and more and more people are seeing exactly what these sock puppets are doing.