I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.

I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people crossing the border illegally into Mexico.. So gun traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move across a supposedly porous border which only works on way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer 90% or more of their business is directly to the US Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so ignorant of the world around himself that it is surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico without being virtually a government insider shows just how foolish he is.

And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't that unusual at all.

Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in the US.

Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is also a complete lie.

" the public is led to believe that random incidents of mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156 incidents that it defines as “mass shootings.”

Just 12, though, meet the FBI’s definition of a “mass murder.” At least seven of them were domestic violence incidents, and just five are included in the Washington Post database as traditional “mass killing” incidents.

In 70 of the Gun Violence Archive’s 156 mass shootings, a full 45%, no one was killed. In 118 of them (76%), either no one or one person was killed. Just three percent (five out of 156) meet the commonly understood definition of a “mass killing.”

The Gun Violence Archive’s database is valuable as a tool for statistical analysis, but when politicians or members of the media cite it to make the point that “mass shootings happen every day in America,” they confuse the public into believing that the overwhelming majority of these incidents are not domestic violence or gang-related shootouts that kill or injure innocent bystanders as well as the intended targets.

In reality, most are. This is not to say that any of them are in any way acceptable, but it is simply not true to suggest that one might die simply by going to the mall. Researchers in 2015 examined each one of the 358 mass shooting incidents in the Gun Violence Archive’s database that year and found that two-thirds of them were either gang-related or resulted from arguments between groups of people—many of whom were drunk or high.

Another 11% of the mass shooting incidents were domestic violence-related, resulting in a full 31% of all deaths in mass shootings that year. A substantial number of the remaining 24% of mass shooting incidents were robbery-related or committed in the commission of some other crime in high-crime areas of major or mid-sized cities. A staggering 90% of all mass shootings occurred in areas with higher-than-average poverty rates."

Frank as he was led to believe that he was an engineer, has also been led to believe that mass shootings are common and a threat to him.

This in itself proves that he was NEVER and engineer who is always taught to be skeptical of statistics that he himself hasn't generated.

On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 8:54:28 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
>
> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move across a supposedly porous border which only works on way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer 90% or more of their business is directly to the US Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so ignorant of the world around himself that it is surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico without being virtually a government insider shows just how foolish he is.
>
> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't that unusual at all.
>
> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in the US.
>
> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is also a complete lie.
>
> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156 incidents that it defines as “mass shootings.”
>
> Just 12, though, meet the FBI’s definition of a “mass murder.” At least seven of them were domestic violence incidents, and just five are included in the Washington Post database as traditional “mass killing” incidents.
>
> In 70 of the Gun Violence Archive’s 156 mass shootings, a full 45%, no one was killed. In 118 of them (76%), either no one or one person was killed. Just three percent (five out of 156) meet the commonly understood definition of a “mass killing.”
>
> The Gun Violence Archive’s database is valuable as a tool for statistical analysis, but when politicians or members of the media cite it to make the point that “mass shootings happen every day in America,” they confuse the public into believing that the overwhelming majority of these incidents are not domestic violence or gang-related shootouts that kill or injure innocent bystanders as well as the intended targets.
>
> In reality, most are. This is not to say that any of them are in any way acceptable, but it is simply not true to suggest that one might die simply by going to the mall. Researchers in 2015 examined each one of the 358 mass shooting incidents in the Gun Violence Archive’s database that year and found that two-thirds of them were either gang-related or resulted from arguments between groups of people—many of whom were drunk or high.
>
> Another 11% of the mass shooting incidents were domestic violence-related, resulting in a full 31% of all deaths in mass shootings that year. A substantial number of the remaining 24% of mass shooting incidents were robbery-related or committed in the commission of some other crime in high-crime areas of major or mid-sized cities. A staggering 90% of all mass shootings occurred in areas with higher-than-average poverty rates."
>
> Frank as he was led to believe that he was an engineer, has also been led to believe that mass shootings are common and a threat to him.
>
> This in itself proves that he was NEVER and engineer who is always taught to be skeptical of statistics that he himself hasn't generated.
https://nypost.com/2018/08/30/america-doesnt-actually-lead-the-world-in-mass-shootings/ So it turns out that when you cherry pick shootings it looks bad. When you actually analyze the data, the US is not different than other countries. That the people of the US are some especially vicious and murderous sort but the same as everyone else in the world.

More proof of the mental illness of the Democrats and their flunky Frank who is willing to claim that there is something wrong with the US and not as the Bible claims - with man himself. The mental illness of the hateful 6 on this site shows up more and more clearly every day.

On 6/6/2022 11:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was complaining about ...

No, Tom, you didn't get an email. You read the posts. Quit pretending.
Nobody believes you.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
>
> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move across a supposedly porous border which only works on way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer 90% or more of their business is directly to the US Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so ignorant of the world around himself that it is surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico without being virtually a government insider shows just how foolish he is.
>
> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't that unusual at all.
>
> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in the US.
>
> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is also a complete lie.
>
> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156 incidents that it defines as “mass shootings.”
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings in the USA in 2022" page. This is in addition to the Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages. The mass shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a day by day upkeep on them. Gosh.

> Just 12, though, meet the FBI’s definition of a “mass murder.” At least seven of them were domestic violence incidents, and just five are included in the Washington Post database as traditional “mass killing” incidents.
>
> In 70 of the Gun Violence Archive’s 156 mass shootings, a full 45%, no one was killed. In 118 of them (76%), either no one or one person was killed. Just three percent (five out of 156) meet the commonly understood definition of a “mass killing.”
>
> The Gun Violence Archive’s database is valuable as a tool for statistical analysis, but when politicians or members of the media cite it to make the point that “mass shootings happen every day in America,” they confuse the public into believing that the overwhelming majority of these incidents are not domestic violence or gang-related shootouts that kill or injure innocent bystanders as well as the intended targets.
>
> In reality, most are. This is not to say that any of them are in any way acceptable, but it is simply not true to suggest that one might die simply by going to the mall. Researchers in 2015 examined each one of the 358 mass shooting incidents in the Gun Violence Archive’s database that year and found that two-thirds of them were either gang-related or resulted from arguments between groups of people—many of whom were drunk or high.
>
> Another 11% of the mass shooting incidents were domestic violence-related, resulting in a full 31% of all deaths in mass shootings that year. A substantial number of the remaining 24% of mass shooting incidents were robbery-related or committed in the commission of some other crime in high-crime areas of major or mid-sized cities. A staggering 90% of all mass shootings occurred in areas with higher-than-average poverty rates."
>
> Frank as he was led to believe that he was an engineer, has also been led to believe that mass shootings are common and a threat to him.
>
> This in itself proves that he was NEVER and engineer who is always taught to be skeptical of statistics that he himself hasn't generated.

On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
>>
>> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
>> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move across a supposedly porous border which only works on way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer 90% or more of their business is directly to the US Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so ignorant of the world around himself that it is surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
>> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico without being virtually a government insider shows just how foolish he is.
>>
>> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't that unusual at all.
>>
>> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in the US.
>>
>> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is also a complete lie.
>>
>> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156 incidents that it defines as “mass shootings.”
>>
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
>I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings in the USA in 2022" page. This is in addition to the Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages. The mass shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a day by day upkeep on them. Gosh.

Use different wording "massacre" will find a substantial number from
1777 to 2022.

But perhaps it is human nature? I came across this the other day:
"According to Will and Ariel Durant, in their Lessons of History,
there have already been approximately 268 scattered years without war
over the past 3,421 years."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Durant
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 6/8/2022 2:41 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
>>>
>>> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
>>> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move across a supposedly porous border which only works on way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer 90% or more of their business is directly to the US Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so ignorant of the world around himself that it is surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
>>> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico without being virtually a government insider shows just how foolish he is.
>>>
>>> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't that unusual at all.
>>>
>>> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in the US.
>>>
>>> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is also a complete lie.
>>>
>>> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156 incidents that it defines as “mass shootings.”
>>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
>> I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings in the USA in 2022" page. This is in addition to the Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages. The mass shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a day by day upkeep on them. Gosh.
>
> Use different wording "massacre" will find a substantial number from
> 1777 to 2022.

It's interesting to click the "Date" column heading and sort this by
date: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States

I'm sure it's not a complete list. But note the increasing frequency as
time goes on. The last couple decades witnessed so many "massacres!"

Also (and obviously related): Early massacres in the list tend to
involve groups of assailants. Those in the past 30 years are almost all
solo efforts, enabled by combat-optimized gun technology.

> But perhaps it is human nature?

Since those were all perpetrated by humans, I'd say that's self-evident.
But I'd also say one of the main functions of society is to control
harmful aspects of human nature.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 6/8/2022 10:14 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 6/8/2022 2:41 AM, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT),
>> "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5,
>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was
>>>> complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only
>>>> country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
>>>>
>>>> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so
>>>> lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
>>>> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's
>>>> favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people
>>>> crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun
>>>> traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move
>>>> across a supposedly porous border which only works on
>>>> way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while
>>>> Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer
>>>> 90% or more of their business is directly to the US
>>>> Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in
>>>> the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so
>>>> ignorant of the world around himself that it is
>>>> surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
>>>> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the
>>>> "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of
>>>> Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico
>>>> without being virtually a government insider shows just
>>>> how foolish he is.
>>>>
>>>> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you
>>>> stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't
>>>> that unusual at all.
>>>>
>>>> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden
>>>> claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if
>>>> you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South
>>>> America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in
>>>> the US.
>>>>
>>>> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is
>>>> also a complete lie.
>>>>
>>>> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of
>>>> mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in
>>>> 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156
>>>> incidents that it defines as “mass shootings.”
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
>>>
>>> I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings
>>> in the USA in 2022" page. This is in addition to the
>>> Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages. The mass
>>> shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a
>>> day by day upkeep on them. Gosh.
>>
>> Use different wording "massacre" will find a substantial
>> number from
>> 1777 to 2022.
>
> It's interesting to click the "Date" column heading and sort
> this by date:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
>
>
> I'm sure it's not a complete list. But note the increasing
> frequency as time goes on. The last couple decades witnessed
> so many "massacres!"
>
> Also (and obviously related): Early massacres in the list
> tend to involve groups of assailants. Those in the past 30
> years are almost all solo efforts, enabled by
> combat-optimized gun technology.
>
>> But perhaps it is human nature?
>
> Since those were all perpetrated by humans, I'd say that's
> self-evident. But I'd also say one of the main functions of
> society is to control harmful aspects of human nature.
>

Oh, single actor massacre?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/

There's nothing trivial about these tragedies, but they are
outliers. Something like 99% of firearm homicides are urban
pistol events. But hey keep ignoring the elephant while
hunting that mosquito.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 8:27:14 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/8/2022 10:14 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 6/8/2022 2:41 AM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT),
> >> "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5,
> >>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was
> >>>> complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only
> >>>> country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so
> >>>> lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
> >>>> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's
> >>>> favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people
> >>>> crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun
> >>>> traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move
> >>>> across a supposedly porous border which only works on
> >>>> way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while
> >>>> Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer
> >>>> 90% or more of their business is directly to the US
> >>>> Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in
> >>>> the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so
> >>>> ignorant of the world around himself that it is
> >>>> surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
> >>>> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the
> >>>> "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of
> >>>> Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico
> >>>> without being virtually a government insider shows just
> >>>> how foolish he is.
> >>>>
> >>>> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you
> >>>> stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't
> >>>> that unusual at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden
> >>>> claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if
> >>>> you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South
> >>>> America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in
> >>>> the US.
> >>>>
> >>>> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is
> >>>> also a complete lie.
> >>>>
> >>>> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of
> >>>> mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in
> >>>> 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156
> >>>> incidents that it defines as “mass shootings.â€
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
> >>>
> >>> I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings
> >>> in the USA in 2022" page. This is in addition to the
> >>> Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages. The mass
> >>> shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a
> >>> day by day upkeep on them. Gosh.
> >>
> >> Use different wording "massacre" will find a substantial
> >> number from
> >> 1777 to 2022.
> >
> > It's interesting to click the "Date" column heading and sort
> > this by date:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
> >
> >
> > I'm sure it's not a complete list. But note the increasing
> > frequency as time goes on. The last couple decades witnessed
> > so many "massacres!"
> >
> > Also (and obviously related): Early massacres in the list
> > tend to involve groups of assailants. Those in the past 30
> > years are almost all solo efforts, enabled by
> > combat-optimized gun technology.
> >
> >> But perhaps it is human nature?
> >
> > Since those were all perpetrated by humans, I'd say that's
> > self-evident. But I'd also say one of the main functions of
> > society is to control harmful aspects of human nature.
> >
> Oh, single actor massacre?
> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/
>
> There's nothing trivial about these tragedies, but they are
> outliers. Something like 99% of firearm homicides are urban
> pistol events. But hey keep ignoring the elephant while
> hunting that mosquito.
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Google in a try to eliminate the idea that the US people are the only one's in the world that kill people or that insanity is strictly a US condition will NOT show you the rather common "mass shootings" around the globe and even in Europe. You had better hold tightly to your guns and start shooting Google employees and Slime Stream Media writers until they get the idea that it isn't safe for them to lie to us.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html

The question is - why are we being lied to in such a continuous stream? Central and South America are FAR more dangerous than the USA and Brazil makes the US look friendly - Brazil is a giant ghetto and that is what causes murders to arise when people can only get ahead by taking what is yours - sort of like what Frank wants to do in the USA.

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 9:48:37 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 8:27:14 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 6/8/2022 10:14 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 6/8/2022 2:41 AM, John B. wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT),
> > >> "russell...@yahoo.com"
> > >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5,
> > >>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was
> > >>>> complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only
> > >>>> country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so
> > >>>> lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
> > >>>> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's
> > >>>> favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people
> > >>>> crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun
> > >>>> traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move
> > >>>> across a supposedly porous border which only works on
> > >>>> way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while
> > >>>> Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer
> > >>>> 90% or more of their business is directly to the US
> > >>>> Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in
> > >>>> the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so
> > >>>> ignorant of the world around himself that it is
> > >>>> surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
> > >>>> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the
> > >>>> "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of
> > >>>> Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico
> > >>>> without being virtually a government insider shows just
> > >>>> how foolish he is.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you
> > >>>> stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't
> > >>>> that unusual at all.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden
> > >>>> claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if
> > >>>> you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South
> > >>>> America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in
> > >>>> the US.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is
> > >>>> also a complete lie.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of
> > >>>> mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in
> > >>>> 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156
> > >>>> incidents that it defines as “mass shootings.â€
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
> > >>>
> > >>> I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings
> > >>> in the USA in 2022" page. This is in addition to the
> > >>> Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages. The mass
> > >>> shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a
> > >>> day by day upkeep on them. Gosh.
> > >>
> > >> Use different wording "massacre" will find a substantial
> > >> number from
> > >> 1777 to 2022.
> > >
> > > It's interesting to click the "Date" column heading and sort
> > > this by date:
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm sure it's not a complete list. But note the increasing
> > > frequency as time goes on. The last couple decades witnessed
> > > so many "massacres!"
> > >
> > > Also (and obviously related): Early massacres in the list
> > > tend to involve groups of assailants. Those in the past 30
> > > years are almost all solo efforts, enabled by
> > > combat-optimized gun technology.
> > >
> > >> But perhaps it is human nature?
> > >
> > > Since those were all perpetrated by humans, I'd say that's
> > > self-evident. But I'd also say one of the main functions of
> > > society is to control harmful aspects of human nature.
> > >
> > Oh, single actor massacre?
> > https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/
> >
> > There's nothing trivial about these tragedies, but they are
> > outliers. Something like 99% of firearm homicides are urban
> > pistol events. But hey keep ignoring the elephant while
> > hunting that mosquito.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> Google in a try to eliminate the idea that the US people are the only one's in the world that kill people or that insanity is strictly a US condition will NOT show you the rather common "mass shootings" around the globe and even in Europe. You had better hold tightly to your guns and start shooting Google employees and Slime Stream Media writers until they get the idea that it isn't safe for them to lie to us.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html
>
> The question is - why are we being lied to in such a continuous stream? Central and South America are FAR more dangerous than the USA and Brazil makes the US look friendly - Brazil is a giant ghetto and that is what causes murders to arise when people can only get ahead by taking what is yours - sort of like what Frank wants to do in the USA.

Also, have you noticed that the people committing these acts aren't having their immigration status reported?

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 9:48:37 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 8:27:14 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 6/8/2022 10:14 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 6/8/2022 2:41 AM, John B. wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT),
> > >> "russell...@yahoo.com"
> > >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5,
> > >>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was
> > >>>> complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only
> > >>>> country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so
> > >>>> lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
> > >>>> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's
> > >>>> favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people
> > >>>> crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun
> > >>>> traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move
> > >>>> across a supposedly porous border which only works on
> > >>>> way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while
> > >>>> Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer
> > >>>> 90% or more of their business is directly to the US
> > >>>> Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in
> > >>>> the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so
> > >>>> ignorant of the world around himself that it is
> > >>>> surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
> > >>>> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the
> > >>>> "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of
> > >>>> Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico
> > >>>> without being virtually a government insider shows just
> > >>>> how foolish he is.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you
> > >>>> stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't
> > >>>> that unusual at all.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden
> > >>>> claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if
> > >>>> you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South
> > >>>> America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in
> > >>>> the US.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is
> > >>>> also a complete lie.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of
> > >>>> mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in
> > >>>> 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156
> > >>>> incidents that it defines as “mass shootings.â€
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
> > >>>
> > >>> I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings
> > >>> in the USA in 2022" page. This is in addition to the
> > >>> Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages. The mass
> > >>> shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a
> > >>> day by day upkeep on them. Gosh.
> > >>
> > >> Use different wording "massacre" will find a substantial
> > >> number from
> > >> 1777 to 2022.
> > >
> > > It's interesting to click the "Date" column heading and sort
> > > this by date:
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm sure it's not a complete list. But note the increasing
> > > frequency as time goes on. The last couple decades witnessed
> > > so many "massacres!"
> > >
> > > Also (and obviously related): Early massacres in the list
> > > tend to involve groups of assailants. Those in the past 30
> > > years are almost all solo efforts, enabled by
> > > combat-optimized gun technology.
> > >
> > >> But perhaps it is human nature?
> > >
> > > Since those were all perpetrated by humans, I'd say that's
> > > self-evident. But I'd also say one of the main functions of
> > > society is to control harmful aspects of human nature.
> > >
> > Oh, single actor massacre?
> > https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/
> >
> > There's nothing trivial about these tragedies, but they are
> > outliers. Something like 99% of firearm homicides are urban
> > pistol events. But hey keep ignoring the elephant while
> > hunting that mosquito.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> Google in a try to eliminate the idea that the US people are the only one's in the world that kill people or that insanity is strictly a US condition will NOT show you the rather common "mass shootings" around the globe and even in Europe. You had better hold tightly to your guns and start shooting Google employees and Slime Stream Media writers until they get the idea that it isn't safe for them to lie to us.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html
>
> The question is - why are we being lied to in such a continuous stream? Central and South America are FAR more dangerous than the USA and Brazil makes the US look friendly - Brazil is a giant ghetto and that is what causes murders to arise when people can only get ahead by taking what is yours - sort of like what Frank wants to do in the USA.

Do you think that the Paris attack was unusual?

attacks 13 November 2015 Paris 130 (+368 injured) ISIL Eight radical Islamists men of ISIL perform coordinated attacks upon the French public at various locations in Paris using assault rifles and explosives;[20]

2016 Nice truck attack 14 July 2016 Nice 86 (+434 injured) Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel A Tunisian/French radical Islamist man attacks the French public celebrating Bastille Day, he drives a 19 tonne cargo truck through the public on the street thereby killing indiscriminately.
Carcassonne and Trèbes attack 23 March 2018 Trèbes and Carcassonne 4 (+15 injured) Redouane Lakdim Islamist terrorist Redouane Lakdim shoots and stabs four people to death.

2018 Strasbourg attack 11 December 2018 Strasbourg 5 (+12 injured) Chérif Chekatt
(29 years old) Islamist terrorist Chérif Chekatt shoots five people to death with a revolver and injures several people by stabbing with a knife. Chekatt was killed 2 days later by the police, after a razzia in Strasbourgs district Neudorf. He was shot after opening the fire on several police officers.

February 2019 Paris fire 5 February 2019 Paris 10 (+36 injured) Unknown Arson at an apartment block.
Paris police headquarters stabbing 3 October 2019 Paris 4 (+2 injured) Mickaël Harpon Police employee stab four colleagues to death.

Toulouse summer 2020 attacks[21] 13 July 2020 - 7 September 2020 Toulouse 5 (+3 injured) Unknown 1 (+1 injured) in September, 2 (+2 injured) in August, 2 in July.

Since the push is on to condemn the US as the most dangerous place in the world, Wikipedia isn't publishing how dangerous the rest of the world is.

On 6/8/2022 11:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/8/2022 10:14 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 6/8/2022 2:41 AM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT),
>>> "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>>> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5,
>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was
>>>>> complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only
>>>>> country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so
>>>>> lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
>>>>> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's
>>>>> favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people
>>>>> crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun
>>>>> traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move
>>>>> across a supposedly porous border which only works on
>>>>> way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while
>>>>> Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer
>>>>> 90% or more of their business is directly to the US
>>>>> Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in
>>>>> the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so
>>>>> ignorant of the world around himself that it is
>>>>> surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
>>>>> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the
>>>>> "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of
>>>>> Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico
>>>>> without being virtually a government insider shows just
>>>>> how foolish he is.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you
>>>>> stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't
>>>>> that unusual at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden
>>>>> claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if
>>>>> you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South
>>>>> America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in
>>>>> the US.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is
>>>>> also a complete lie.
>>>>>
>>>>> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of
>>>>> mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in
>>>>> 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156
>>>>> incidents that it defines as “mass shootings.”
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings
>>>> in the USA in 2022" page.  This is in addition to the
>>>> Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages.  The mass
>>>> shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a
>>>> day by day upkeep on them.  Gosh.
>>>
>>> Use different wording "massacre" will find a substantial
>>> number from
>>> 1777 to 2022.
>>
>> It's interesting to click the "Date" column heading and sort
>> this by date:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
>>
>>
>> I'm sure it's not a complete list. But note the increasing
>> frequency as time goes on. The last couple decades witnessed
>> so many "massacres!"
>>
>> Also (and obviously related): Early massacres in the list
>> tend to involve groups of assailants. Those in the past 30
>> years are almost all solo efforts, enabled by
>> combat-optimized gun technology.
>>
>>> But perhaps it is human nature?
>>
>> Since those were all perpetrated by humans, I'd say that's
>> self-evident. But I'd also say one of the main functions of
>> society is to control harmful aspects of human nature.
>>
>
> Oh, single actor massacre?
> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/
>
>
> There's nothing trivial about these tragedies, but they are outliers.
> Something like 99% of firearm homicides are urban pistol events. But hey
> keep ignoring the elephant while hunting that mosquito.

The urban pistols used in those events are also optimized for killing
humans.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 6/8/2022 12:57 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
wrote:
>
>> Google in a try to eliminate the idea [... um, sic?? ] that the US
people are the only one's in the world that kill people or that insanity
is strictly a US condition will NOT show you the rather common "mass
shootings" around the globe and even in Europe. You had better hold
tightly to your guns and start shooting Google employees and Slime
Stream Media writers until they get the idea that it isn't safe for them
to lie to us.
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html
>>
>> The question is - why are we being lied to in such a continuous
stream? Central and South America are FAR more dangerous than the USA
and Brazil makes the US look friendly - Brazil is a giant ghetto and
that is what causes murders to arise when people can only get ahead by
taking what is yours - sort of like what Frank wants to do in the USA.
As I've repeatedly said, I think the appropriate comparison is between
similar countries: those with stable democracies and prosperous modern
economies.

Your argument above comes down to two points:

1) Nobody tells us about all the mass murders in France! I _know_ there
are tons of them!

(OK, then start telling us, with citations. We don't trust your memory
nor your imagination.)

2) "Hey, at least we're better than Rwanda or someplace."

(That's pretty weak, when we're so much worse than Canada and all of
western Europe.)
> Do you think that the Paris attack was unusual?
Yes!
> attacks 13 November 2015 Paris 130 (+368 injured) ISIL Eight radical
Islamists men of ISIL perform coordinated attacks upon the French public
at various locations in Paris using assault rifles and explosives;[20]
>
> 2016 Nice truck attack 14 July 2016 Nice 86 (+434 injured) Mohamed
Lahouaiej-Bouhlel A Tunisian/French radical Islamist man attacks the
French public celebrating Bastille Day, he drives a 19 tonne cargo truck
through the public on the street thereby killing indiscriminately.
> Carcassonne and Trèbes attack 23 March 2018 Trèbes and Carcassonne 4
(+15 injured) Redouane Lakdim Islamist terrorist Redouane Lakdim shoots
and stabs four people to death.
>
> 2018 Strasbourg attack 11 December 2018 Strasbourg 5 (+12 injured)
Chérif Chekatt
> (29 years old) Islamist terrorist Chérif Chekatt shoots five people
to death with a revolver and injures several people by stabbing with a
knife. Chekatt was killed 2 days later by the police, after a razzia in
Strasbourgs district Neudorf. He was shot after opening the fire on
several police officers.
>
> February 2019 Paris fire 5 February 2019 Paris 10 (+36 injured)
Unknown Arson at an apartment block.
> Paris police headquarters stabbing 3 October 2019 Paris 4 (+2
injured) Mickaël Harpon Police employee stab four colleagues to death.
>
> Toulouse summer 2020 attacks[21] 13 July 2020 - 7 September 2020
Toulouse 5 (+3 injured) Unknown 1 (+1 injured) in September, 2 (+2
injured) in August, 2 in July.
>
> Since the push is on to condemn the US as the most dangerous place in
the world, Wikipedia isn't publishing how dangerous the rest of the
world is.
Tom, you're sweeping in every attack of any kind you can find in any
year in France, and you still don't match a bad month or two in the U.S.

Give us a complete list of all the mass shootings you can find in
France. Don't just allude to those in your imagination. Let's compare
that list with a complete list of U.S. mass shootings.

Or have you listed all of France's mass shootings that you know about?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 9:48:37 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 8:27:14 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 6/8/2022 10:14 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > On 6/8/2022 2:41 AM, John B. wrote:
> > > >> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT),
> > > >> "russell...@yahoo.com"
> > > >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5,
> > > >>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was
> > > >>>> complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only
> > > >>>> country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so
> > > >>>> lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
> > > >>>> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's
> > > >>>> favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people
> > > >>>> crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun
> > > >>>> traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move
> > > >>>> across a supposedly porous border which only works on
> > > >>>> way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while
> > > >>>> Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer
> > > >>>> 90% or more of their business is directly to the US
> > > >>>> Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in
> > > >>>> the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so
> > > >>>> ignorant of the world around himself that it is
> > > >>>> surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
> > > >>>> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the
> > > >>>> "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of
> > > >>>> Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico
> > > >>>> without being virtually a government insider shows just
> > > >>>> how foolish he is.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you
> > > >>>> stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't
> > > >>>> that unusual at all.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden
> > > >>>> claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if
> > > >>>> you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South
> > > >>>> America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in
> > > >>>> the US.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is
> > > >>>> also a complete lie.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of
> > > >>>> mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in
> > > >>>> 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156
> > > >>>> incidents that it defines as “mass shootings..â€
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings
> > > >>> in the USA in 2022" page. This is in addition to the
> > > >>> Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages. The mass
> > > >>> shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a
> > > >>> day by day upkeep on them. Gosh.
> > > >>
> > > >> Use different wording "massacre" will find a substantial
> > > >> number from
> > > >> 1777 to 2022.
> > > >
> > > > It's interesting to click the "Date" column heading and sort
> > > > this by date:
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure it's not a complete list. But note the increasing
> > > > frequency as time goes on. The last couple decades witnessed
> > > > so many "massacres!"
> > > >
> > > > Also (and obviously related): Early massacres in the list
> > > > tend to involve groups of assailants. Those in the past 30
> > > > years are almost all solo efforts, enabled by
> > > > combat-optimized gun technology.
> > > >
> > > >> But perhaps it is human nature?
> > > >
> > > > Since those were all perpetrated by humans, I'd say that's
> > > > self-evident. But I'd also say one of the main functions of
> > > > society is to control harmful aspects of human nature.
> > > >
> > > Oh, single actor massacre?
> > > https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/
> > >
> > > There's nothing trivial about these tragedies, but they are
> > > outliers. Something like 99% of firearm homicides are urban
> > > pistol events. But hey keep ignoring the elephant while
> > > hunting that mosquito.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew Muzi
> > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > Google in a try to eliminate the idea that the US people are the only one's in the world that kill people or that insanity is strictly a US condition will NOT show you the rather common "mass shootings" around the globe and even in Europe. You had better hold tightly to your guns and start shooting Google employees and Slime Stream Media writers until they get the idea that it isn't safe for them to lie to us.
> >
> > https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html
> >
> > The question is - why are we being lied to in such a continuous stream? Central and South America are FAR more dangerous than the USA and Brazil makes the US look friendly - Brazil is a giant ghetto and that is what causes murders to arise when people can only get ahead by taking what is yours - sort of like what Frank wants to do in the USA.
> Do you think that the Paris attack was unusual?
>
> attacks 13 November 2015 Paris 130 (+368 injured) ISIL Eight radical Islamists men of ISIL perform coordinated attacks upon the French public at various locations in Paris using assault rifles and explosives;[20]
>
> 2016 Nice truck attack 14 July 2016 Nice 86 (+434 injured) Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel A Tunisian/French radical Islamist man attacks the French public celebrating Bastille Day, he drives a 19 tonne cargo truck through the public on the street thereby killing indiscriminately.
> Carcassonne and Trèbes attack 23 March 2018 Trèbes and Carcassonne 4 (+15 injured) Redouane Lakdim Islamist terrorist Redouane Lakdim shoots and stabs four people to death.
>
> 2018 Strasbourg attack 11 December 2018 Strasbourg 5 (+12 injured) Chérif Chekatt
> (29 years old) Islamist terrorist Chérif Chekatt shoots five people to death with a revolver and injures several people by stabbing with a knife. Chekatt was killed 2 days later by the police, after a razzia in Strasbourgs district Neudorf. He was shot after opening the fire on several police officers.
>
> February 2019 Paris fire 5 February 2019 Paris 10 (+36 injured) Unknown Arson at an apartment block.
> Paris police headquarters stabbing 3 October 2019 Paris 4 (+2 injured) Mickaël Harpon Police employee stab four colleagues to death.
>
> Toulouse summer 2020 attacks[21] 13 July 2020 - 7 September 2020 Toulouse 5 (+3 injured) Unknown 1 (+1 injured) in September, 2 (+2 injured) in August, 2 in July.
>
> Since the push is on to condemn the US as the most dangerous place in the world, Wikipedia isn't publishing how dangerous the rest of the world is.

The plain facts are the the ISA is a GREAT DEAL safer than most of the rest of the world. I'm sure that people like Frank, Russell, Scharf and Flunky won't agree but then that is their problem.

The US actually ranks 83rd in the world in murders per capita (out of 193 UN-recognized countries), while its 5.35 murders per 100,000 residents is well below the world average of 7.03.

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:59:55 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 9:48:37 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 8:27:14 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > On 6/8/2022 10:14 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > On 6/8/2022 2:41 AM, John B. wrote:
> > > > >> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > >> "russell...@yahoo.com"
> > > > >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5,
> > > > >>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >>>> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was
> > > > >>>> complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only
> > > > >>>> country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so
> > > > >>>> lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
> > > > >>>> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's
> > > > >>>> favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people
> > > > >>>> crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun
> > > > >>>> traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move
> > > > >>>> across a supposedly porous border which only works on
> > > > >>>> way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while
> > > > >>>> Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer
> > > > >>>> 90% or more of their business is directly to the US
> > > > >>>> Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in
> > > > >>>> the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so
> > > > >>>> ignorant of the world around himself that it is
> > > > >>>> surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
> > > > >>>> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the
> > > > >>>> "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of
> > > > >>>> Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico
> > > > >>>> without being virtually a government insider shows just
> > > > >>>> how foolish he is.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you
> > > > >>>> stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't
> > > > >>>> that unusual at all.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden
> > > > >>>> claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if
> > > > >>>> you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South
> > > > >>>> America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in
> > > > >>>> the US.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is
> > > > >>>> also a complete lie.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of
> > > > >>>> mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in
> > > > >>>> 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156
> > > > >>>> incidents that it defines as “mass shootings.â€
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings
> > > > >>> in the USA in 2022" page. This is in addition to the
> > > > >>> Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages. The mass
> > > > >>> shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a
> > > > >>> day by day upkeep on them. Gosh.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Use different wording "massacre" will find a substantial
> > > > >> number from
> > > > >> 1777 to 2022.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's interesting to click the "Date" column heading and sort
> > > > > this by date:
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sure it's not a complete list. But note the increasing
> > > > > frequency as time goes on. The last couple decades witnessed
> > > > > so many "massacres!"
> > > > >
> > > > > Also (and obviously related): Early massacres in the list
> > > > > tend to involve groups of assailants. Those in the past 30
> > > > > years are almost all solo efforts, enabled by
> > > > > combat-optimized gun technology.
> > > > >
> > > > >> But perhaps it is human nature?
> > > > >
> > > > > Since those were all perpetrated by humans, I'd say that's
> > > > > self-evident. But I'd also say one of the main functions of
> > > > > society is to control harmful aspects of human nature.
> > > > >
> > > > Oh, single actor massacre?
> > > > https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/
> > > >
> > > > There's nothing trivial about these tragedies, but they are
> > > > outliers. Something like 99% of firearm homicides are urban
> > > > pistol events. But hey keep ignoring the elephant while
> > > > hunting that mosquito.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andrew Muzi
> > > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > > Google in a try to eliminate the idea that the US people are the only one's in the world that kill people or that insanity is strictly a US condition will NOT show you the rather common "mass shootings" around the globe and even in Europe. You had better hold tightly to your guns and start shooting Google employees and Slime Stream Media writers until they get the idea that it isn't safe for them to lie to us.
> > >
> > > https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html
> > >
> > > The question is - why are we being lied to in such a continuous stream? Central and South America are FAR more dangerous than the USA and Brazil makes the US look friendly - Brazil is a giant ghetto and that is what causes murders to arise when people can only get ahead by taking what is yours - sort of like what Frank wants to do in the USA.
> > Do you think that the Paris attack was unusual?
> >
> > attacks 13 November 2015 Paris 130 (+368 injured) ISIL Eight radical Islamists men of ISIL perform coordinated attacks upon the French public at various locations in Paris using assault rifles and explosives;[20]
> >
> > 2016 Nice truck attack 14 July 2016 Nice 86 (+434 injured) Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel A Tunisian/French radical Islamist man attacks the French public celebrating Bastille Day, he drives a 19 tonne cargo truck through the public on the street thereby killing indiscriminately.
> > Carcassonne and Trèbes attack 23 March 2018 Trèbes and Carcassonne 4 (+15 injured) Redouane Lakdim Islamist terrorist Redouane Lakdim shoots and stabs four people to death.
> >
> > 2018 Strasbourg attack 11 December 2018 Strasbourg 5 (+12 injured) Chérif Chekatt
> > (29 years old) Islamist terrorist Chérif Chekatt shoots five people to death with a revolver and injures several people by stabbing with a knife. Chekatt was killed 2 days later by the police, after a razzia in Strasbourgs district Neudorf. He was shot after opening the fire on several police officers.
> >
> > February 2019 Paris fire 5 February 2019 Paris 10 (+36 injured) Unknown Arson at an apartment block.
> > Paris police headquarters stabbing 3 October 2019 Paris 4 (+2 injured) Mickaël Harpon Police employee stab four colleagues to death.
> >
> > Toulouse summer 2020 attacks[21] 13 July 2020 - 7 September 2020 Toulouse 5 (+3 injured) Unknown 1 (+1 injured) in September, 2 (+2 injured) in August, 2 in July.
> >
> > Since the push is on to condemn the US as the most dangerous place in the world, Wikipedia isn't publishing how dangerous the rest of the world is..
> The plain facts are the the ISA is a GREAT DEAL safer than most of the rest of the world. I'm sure that people like Frank, Russell, Scharf and Flunky won't agree but then that is their problem.
>
> The US actually ranks 83rd in the world in murders per capita (out of 193 UN-recognized countries), while its 5.35 murders per 100,000 residents is well below the world average of 7.03.
USA not ISA

On 6/8/2022 1:10 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 6/8/2022 11:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 6/8/2022 10:14 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 6/8/2022 2:41 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT),
>>>> "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>>>> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5,
>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was
>>>>>> complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only
>>>>>> country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so
>>>>>> lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
>>>>>> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's
>>>>>> favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people
>>>>>> crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun
>>>>>> traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move
>>>>>> across a supposedly porous border which only works on
>>>>>> way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while
>>>>>> Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer
>>>>>> 90% or more of their business is directly to the US
>>>>>> Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in
>>>>>> the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so
>>>>>> ignorant of the world around himself that it is
>>>>>> surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
>>>>>> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the
>>>>>> "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of
>>>>>> Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico
>>>>>> without being virtually a government insider shows just
>>>>>> how foolish he is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you
>>>>>> stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't
>>>>>> that unusual at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden
>>>>>> claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if
>>>>>> you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South
>>>>>> America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in
>>>>>> the US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is
>>>>>> also a complete lie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of
>>>>>> mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in
>>>>>> 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156
>>>>>> incidents that it defines as “mass
>>>>>> shootings.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings
>>>>> in the USA in 2022" page.� This is in addition to the
>>>>> Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages.� The mass
>>>>> shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a
>>>>> day by day upkeep on them.� Gosh.
>>>>
>>>> Use different wording "massacre" will find a substantial
>>>> number from
>>>> 1777 to 2022.
>>>
>>> It's interesting to click the "Date" column heading and sort
>>> this by date:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sure it's not a complete list. But note the increasing
>>> frequency as time goes on. The last couple decades witnessed
>>> so many "massacres!"
>>>
>>> Also (and obviously related): Early massacres in the list
>>> tend to involve groups of assailants. Those in the past 30
>>> years are almost all solo efforts, enabled by
>>> combat-optimized gun technology.
>>>
>>>> But perhaps it is human nature?
>>>
>>> Since those were all perpetrated by humans, I'd say that's
>>> self-evident. But I'd also say one of the main functions of
>>> society is to control harmful aspects of human nature.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, single actor massacre?
>> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/
>>
>>
>> There's nothing trivial about these tragedies, but they
>> are outliers. Something like 99% of firearm homicides are
>> urban pistol events. But hey keep ignoring the elephant
>> while hunting that mosquito.
>
> The urban pistols used in those events are also optimized
> for killing humans.
>
>

Sort of a weasel word, 'optimized', with fuzzy borders.

One might posit that pistols are 'adequate' but a pair of
twin .50 MA2 would be 'optimal'. Especially for crowds.

That said, the large end of the problem are stolen pistols
wielded by career criminals. So you're probably thinking,
'what ever could be done?'. Good question because we've
seen this movie before! We know what to do.

NYC, under Police Commissioners Ray Kelly and Bill Bratton
with strong mayoral support, sharply reduced firearms
discharges, injuries and deaths for about 20 years[1]. DAs
recommended the mandatory minimum sentences for felon in
possession and for firearm in commission of a felony. It
became more dangerous for criminals to walk around with an
illegal weapon. Good police commissioners under Mr Bloomberg
continued and built on that success. It was the safest large
city in our country.

As criminologists have studied exhaustively for the past 40
years or so, most urban crime is from an astonishingly small
number of prolific young men. Once they're gone, streets are
safer.

Then, with a change of administrations and staff, lack of
enforcement made illegal use of firearms a paying
proposition again. Which was bad enough until DA Bragg 'no
one gets locked up' was elected. Now criminals note they
would rather be caught with a firearm (wrist slap) than
without (unarmed facing the other gangs). And here we are.
The way out is not a mystery.

[1]during which period firearms sales surged nationally for
legal firearms owners.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 6/8/2022 3:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/8/2022 1:10 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 6/8/2022 11:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 6/8/2022 10:14 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 6/8/2022 2:41 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>> "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>>>>> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5,
>>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was
>>>>>>> complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only
>>>>>>> country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so
>>>>>>> lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
>>>>>>> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's
>>>>>>> favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people
>>>>>>> crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun
>>>>>>> traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move
>>>>>>> across a supposedly porous border which only works on
>>>>>>> way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while
>>>>>>> Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer
>>>>>>> 90% or more of their business is directly to the US
>>>>>>> Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in
>>>>>>> the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so
>>>>>>> ignorant of the world around himself that it is
>>>>>>> surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
>>>>>>> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the
>>>>>>> "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of
>>>>>>> Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico
>>>>>>> without being virtually a government insider shows just
>>>>>>> how foolish he is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you
>>>>>>> stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't
>>>>>>> that unusual at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden
>>>>>>> claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if
>>>>>>> you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South
>>>>>>> America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in
>>>>>>> the US.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is
>>>>>>> also a complete lie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of
>>>>>>> mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in
>>>>>>> 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156
>>>>>>> incidents that it defines as “mass
>>>>>>> shootings.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings
>>>>>> in the USA in 2022" page.  This is in addition to the
>>>>>> Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages.  The mass
>>>>>> shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a
>>>>>> day by day upkeep on them.  Gosh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Use different wording "massacre" will find a substantial
>>>>> number from
>>>>> 1777 to 2022.
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting to click the "Date" column heading and sort
>>>> this by date:
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure it's not a complete list. But note the increasing
>>>> frequency as time goes on. The last couple decades witnessed
>>>> so many "massacres!"
>>>>
>>>> Also (and obviously related): Early massacres in the list
>>>> tend to involve groups of assailants. Those in the past 30
>>>> years are almost all solo efforts, enabled by
>>>> combat-optimized gun technology.
>>>>
>>>>> But perhaps it is human nature?
>>>>
>>>> Since those were all perpetrated by humans, I'd say that's
>>>> self-evident. But I'd also say one of the main functions of
>>>> society is to control harmful aspects of human nature.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, single actor massacre?
>>> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There's nothing trivial about these tragedies, but they
>>> are outliers. Something like 99% of firearm homicides are
>>> urban pistol events. But hey keep ignoring the elephant
>>> while hunting that mosquito.
>>
>> The urban pistols used in those events are also optimized
>> for killing humans.
>>
>>
>
> Sort of a weasel word, 'optimized', with fuzzy borders.
>
> One might posit that pistols are 'adequate' but a pair of twin .50 MA2
> would be 'optimal'. Especially for crowds.
>
> That said, the large end of the problem are stolen pistols wielded by
> career criminals. So you're probably thinking, 'what ever could be
> done?'.  Good question because we've seen this movie before! We know
> what to do.
>
> NYC, under Police Commissioners Ray Kelly and Bill Bratton with strong
> mayoral support, sharply reduced firearms discharges, injuries and
> deaths for about 20 years[1].  DAs recommended the mandatory minimum
> sentences for felon in possession and for firearm in commission of a
> felony. It became more dangerous for criminals to walk around with an
> illegal weapon. Good police commissioners under Mr Bloomberg continued
> and built on that success. It was the safest large city in our country.
>
> As criminologists have studied exhaustively for the past 40 years or so,
> most urban crime is from an astonishingly small number of prolific young
> men. Once they're gone, streets are safer.
>
> Then, with a change of administrations and staff, lack of enforcement
> made illegal use of firearms a paying proposition again. Which was bad
> enough until DA Bragg 'no one gets locked up' was elected. Now criminals
> note they would rather be caught with a firearm (wrist slap) than
> without (unarmed facing the other gangs). And here we are. The way out
> is not a mystery.

While I don't know the details of the history you just gave, your
description of the fundamentals of Kelly's and Bratton's approach sound
very good to me.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:13:42 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/8/2022 1:10 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 6/8/2022 11:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 6/8/2022 10:14 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 6/8/2022 2:41 AM, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT),
> >>>> "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5,
> >>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was
> >>>>>> complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only
> >>>>>> country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so
> >>>>>> lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
> >>>>>> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's
> >>>>>> favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people
> >>>>>> crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun
> >>>>>> traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move
> >>>>>> across a supposedly porous border which only works on
> >>>>>> way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while
> >>>>>> Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer
> >>>>>> 90% or more of their business is directly to the US
> >>>>>> Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in
> >>>>>> the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so
> >>>>>> ignorant of the world around himself that it is
> >>>>>> surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
> >>>>>> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the
> >>>>>> "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of
> >>>>>> Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico
> >>>>>> without being virtually a government insider shows just
> >>>>>> how foolish he is.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you
> >>>>>> stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't
> >>>>>> that unusual at all.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden
> >>>>>> claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if
> >>>>>> you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South
> >>>>>> America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in
> >>>>>> the US.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is
> >>>>>> also a complete lie.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of
> >>>>>> mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in
> >>>>>> 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156
> >>>>>> incidents that it defines as “mass
> >>>>>> shootings.â€Â
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings
> >>>>> in the USA in 2022" page. This is in addition to the
> >>>>> Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages. The mass
> >>>>> shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a
> >>>>> day by day upkeep on them. Gosh.
> >>>>
> >>>> Use different wording "massacre" will find a substantial
> >>>> number from
> >>>> 1777 to 2022.
> >>>
> >>> It's interesting to click the "Date" column heading and sort
> >>> this by date:
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure it's not a complete list. But note the increasing
> >>> frequency as time goes on. The last couple decades witnessed
> >>> so many "massacres!"
> >>>
> >>> Also (and obviously related): Early massacres in the list
> >>> tend to involve groups of assailants. Those in the past 30
> >>> years are almost all solo efforts, enabled by
> >>> combat-optimized gun technology.
> >>>
> >>>> But perhaps it is human nature?
> >>>
> >>> Since those were all perpetrated by humans, I'd say that's
> >>> self-evident. But I'd also say one of the main functions of
> >>> society is to control harmful aspects of human nature.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Oh, single actor massacre?
> >> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1927-bombing-remains-americas-deadliest-school-massacre-180963355/
> >>
> >>
> >> There's nothing trivial about these tragedies, but they
> >> are outliers. Something like 99% of firearm homicides are
> >> urban pistol events. But hey keep ignoring the elephant
> >> while hunting that mosquito.
> >
> > The urban pistols used in those events are also optimized
> > for killing humans.
> >
> >
> Sort of a weasel word, 'optimized', with fuzzy borders.
>
> One might posit that pistols are 'adequate' but a pair of
> twin .50 MA2 would be 'optimal'. Especially for crowds.
>
> That said, the large end of the problem are stolen pistols
> wielded by career criminals. So you're probably thinking,
> 'what ever could be done?'. Good question because we've
> seen this movie before! We know what to do.
>
> NYC, under Police Commissioners Ray Kelly and Bill Bratton
> with strong mayoral support, sharply reduced firearms
> discharges, injuries and deaths for about 20 years[1]. DAs
> recommended the mandatory minimum sentences for felon in
> possession and for firearm in commission of a felony. It
> became more dangerous for criminals to walk around with an
> illegal weapon. Good police commissioners under Mr Bloomberg
> continued and built on that success. It was the safest large
> city in our country.
>
> As criminologists have studied exhaustively for the past 40
> years or so, most urban crime is from an astonishingly small
> number of prolific young men. Once they're gone, streets are
> safer.
>
> Then, with a change of administrations and staff, lack of
> enforcement made illegal use of firearms a paying
> proposition again. Which was bad enough until DA Bragg 'no
> one gets locked up' was elected. Now criminals note they
> would rather be caught with a firearm (wrist slap) than
> without (unarmed facing the other gangs). And here we are.
> The way out is not a mystery.
>
> [1]during which period firearms sales surged nationally for
> legal firearms owners.

The San Francisco DA known for releasing career criminals without bail has been recalled so thoroughly that no amount of election fraud will keep Soros picked DA candidate in office. In November a Republican DA is slated to take over. Even the LGBTQ crowd realized that getting "respect" doesn't mean a damned thing if you're dead and can't appreciate it.

A soldier that knows the rifles that were being used in that Texas school shooting went right down the line of what those guns actually cost and it was $10,000 in rifles and ammunition. So this kid did NOT buy those guns. So exactly who did? Was it George Soros or the Democrat Party that deeply needs a means and a method to disarm the population. Or do you suppose that Frank in a pitiful try to make himself SAFE by eliminating those horrible guns was willing to buy the guns for this crazy kid that was posting all over social media that he was going to kill children. Seems to me exactly the sort of thing that Frank would do after watching everything he has been saying over the last ten years.

On 6/8/2022 2:59 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> The US actually ranks 83rd in the world in murders per capita (out of 193 UN-recognized countries), while its 5.35 murders per 100,000 residents is well below the world average of 7.03.

I know there are countries more dangerous than the U.S. AFAIK, those are
all far less advanced societies, far less prosperous, with far less
stable governments. See
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-violent-countries

Yes, Afghanistan sucks. So does Somalia. I have a friend stationed in
Iraq right now, and I wouldn't want to be there. But shouldn't we be
better than Rwanda?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 11:14:50 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 6/8/2022 2:41 AM, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> I got an email saying that it wasn't Russell who was complaining about my showing that the USA isn't the only country with mass shootings but Frank Kragowski.
>>>>
>>>> I'm told that he thinks that gun control in Mexico is so lackadaisical because of the proximity of the USA.
>>>> 1. The Mexican border patrol is NOT that of Kragowski's favorite President, Biden, they shoot to kill people crossing the border illegally into Mexico. So gun traffickers so not as is Franks fondest desire move across a supposedly porous border which only works on way - gun trafficking is via ocean and while Lockheed-Martin is the world's largest gun manufacturer 90% or more of their business is directly to the US Government. That leaves the largest gun manufacturers in the world in Europe and shows that Frank, as usual is so ignorant of the world around himself that it is surprising that he ever thought himself educated.
>>>> 2. The Gun Control in Mexico is TOTAL and only the "chosen few" can obtain weapons of any sort. The idea of Frank that anyone at all could get a gun in Mexico without being virtually a government insider shows just how foolish he is.
>>>>
>>>> And yet there were 33 mass shootings in 45 days. Gee you stupid ass Frank - it looks like mass shootings aren't that unusual at all.
>>>>
>>>> Because the Slime Stream Media is in on the false Biden claim that only in the USA do mass shootings occur, if you do a search for Mass Shootings in Central or South America, all you get is articles about mass shootings in the US.
>>>>
>>>> Moreover the mythology that mass shootings are common is also a complete lie.
>>>>
>>>> " the public is led to believe that random incidents of mass murder happen all the time in America. So far in 2021, the Gun Violence Archive has recorded 156 incidents that it defines as “mass shootings.”
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022
>>> I find it really sad that Wikipedia has a "Mass Shootings in the USA in 2022" page. This is in addition to the Biggest Mass Shootings in USA History pages. The mass shootings, and killings, are so frequent that we need a day by day upkeep on them. Gosh.
>>
>> Use different wording "massacre" will find a substantial number from
>> 1777 to 2022.
>
>It's interesting to click the "Date" column heading and sort this by
>date: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
>
>I'm sure it's not a complete list. But note the increasing frequency as
>time goes on. The last couple decades witnessed so many "massacres!"
>
>Also (and obviously related): Early massacres in the list tend to
>involve groups of assailants. Those in the past 30 years are almost all
>solo efforts, enabled by combat-optimized gun technology.
>
>> But perhaps it is human nature?
>
>Since those were all perpetrated by humans, I'd say that's self-evident.
>But I'd also say one of the main functions of society is to control
>harmful aspects of human nature.

Well look at the incarceration rate in the U.S.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._incarceration_rates_1925_onwards.png
And for the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
Which should tell you something.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 14:13:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>
>Sort of a weasel word, 'optimized', with fuzzy borders.
>
>One might posit that pistols are 'adequate' but a pair of
>twin .50 MA2 would be 'optimal'. Especially for crowds.
>
>That said, the large end of the problem are stolen pistols
>wielded by career criminals. So you're probably thinking,
>'what ever could be done?'. Good question because we've
>seen this movie before! We know what to do.
>
>NYC, under Police Commissioners Ray Kelly and Bill Bratton
>with strong mayoral support, sharply reduced firearms
>discharges, injuries and deaths for about 20 years[1]. DAs
see
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/ray-kelly-bill-bratton-new-york-police-crime-rates/422256/
there seems to be some difference of opinion there (:-)

>recommended the mandatory minimum sentences for felon in
>possession and for firearm in commission of a felony. It
>became more dangerous for criminals to walk around with an
>illegal weapon. Good police commissioners under Mr Bloomberg
>continued and built on that success. It was the safest large
>city in our country.

It was a bit more complex.

Kelly, for example:
"instituting the Safe Streets, Safe City program, which put thousands
more cops on the streets, where they would be visible to and able to
get to know and interact with local communities."
and the so called stop-and-frisk policy, a New York City Police
Department practice of temporarily detaining, questioning, and at
times searching civilians and suspects on the street for weapons and
other contraband.

Not that this is bad, but rather that the reduction of crime was a bit
more complex then just increases in sentencing.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 7:19:08 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 14:13:38 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Sort of a weasel word, 'optimized', with fuzzy borders.
> >
> >One might posit that pistols are 'adequate' but a pair of
> >twin .50 MA2 would be 'optimal'. Especially for crowds.
> >
> >That said, the large end of the problem are stolen pistols
> >wielded by career criminals. So you're probably thinking,
> >'what ever could be done?'. Good question because we've
> >seen this movie before! We know what to do.
> >
> >NYC, under Police Commissioners Ray Kelly and Bill Bratton
> >with strong mayoral support, sharply reduced firearms
> >discharges, injuries and deaths for about 20 years[1]. DAs
> see
> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/ray-kelly-bill-bratton-new-york-police-crime-rates/422256/
> there seems to be some difference of opinion there (:-)
> >recommended the mandatory minimum sentences for felon in
> >possession and for firearm in commission of a felony. It
> >became more dangerous for criminals to walk around with an
> >illegal weapon. Good police commissioners under Mr Bloomberg
> >continued and built on that success. It was the safest large
> >city in our country.
> It was a bit more complex.
>
> Kelly, for example:
> "instituting the Safe Streets, Safe City program, which put thousands
> more cops on the streets, where they would be visible to and able to
> get to know and interact with local communities."
> and the so called stop-and-frisk policy, a New York City Police
> Department practice of temporarily detaining, questioning, and at
> times searching civilians and suspects on the street for weapons and
> other contraband.
>
> Not that this is bad, but rather that the reduction of crime was a bit
> more complex then just increases in sentencing.

Good to know.

Come to think of it, I believe one of the fundamentals of criminology is that harsher
penalties have far less effect than increased chances of getting caught. Of course,
the two strategies are not mutually exclusive. Best is probably a combination of both,
along with policies that make an honest living easier to attain.

- Frank Krygowski

On 6/8/2022 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 14:13:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Sort of a weasel word, 'optimized', with fuzzy borders.
>>
>> One might posit that pistols are 'adequate' but a pair of
>> twin .50 MA2 would be 'optimal'. Especially for crowds.
>>
>> That said, the large end of the problem are stolen pistols
>> wielded by career criminals. So you're probably thinking,
>> 'what ever could be done?'. Good question because we've
>> seen this movie before! We know what to do.
>>
>> NYC, under Police Commissioners Ray Kelly and Bill Bratton
>> with strong mayoral support, sharply reduced firearms
>> discharges, injuries and deaths for about 20 years[1]. DAs
> see
> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/ray-kelly-bill-bratton-new-york-police-crime-rates/422256/
> there seems to be some difference of opinion there (:-)
>
>> recommended the mandatory minimum sentences for felon in
>> possession and for firearm in commission of a felony. It
>> became more dangerous for criminals to walk around with an
>> illegal weapon. Good police commissioners under Mr Bloomberg
>> continued and built on that success. It was the safest large
>> city in our country.
>
> It was a bit more complex.
>
> Kelly, for example:
> "instituting the Safe Streets, Safe City program, which put thousands
> more cops on the streets, where they would be visible to and able to
> get to know and interact with local communities."
> and the so called stop-and-frisk policy, a New York City Police
> Department practice of temporarily detaining, questioning, and at
> times searching civilians and suspects on the street for weapons and
> other contraband.
>
> Not that this is bad, but rather that the reduction of crime was a bit
> more complex then just increases in sentencing.
>

Yes that's right. I had assumed most people were familiar.

It was a broad concerted effort and with great success. One
detail- back then (before 'decarceration', before 'defund
the police') turnstile jumpers were arrested and some
significant proportion of those had outstanding warrants,
contraband or illegal firearms. Now, there's no enforcement;
pay the fare or not, your choice (!).

Regarding the Bratton-Kelly tiff, even the At5lantic notes
that 2014/15 was a very low crime period with 335~340
homicides. At the end of the Dinkins administration it was
about 2000 per year. That reduction over 12 years counts as
a major victory in my opinion.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 6/8/2022 6:52 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 7:19:08 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 14:13:38 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Sort of a weasel word, 'optimized', with fuzzy borders.
>>>
>>> One might posit that pistols are 'adequate' but a pair of
>>> twin .50 MA2 would be 'optimal'. Especially for crowds.
>>>
>>> That said, the large end of the problem are stolen pistols
>>> wielded by career criminals. So you're probably thinking,
>>> 'what ever could be done?'. Good question because we've
>>> seen this movie before! We know what to do.
>>>
>>> NYC, under Police Commissioners Ray Kelly and Bill Bratton
>>> with strong mayoral support, sharply reduced firearms
>>> discharges, injuries and deaths for about 20 years[1]. DAs
>> see
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/ray-kelly-bill-bratton-new-york-police-crime-rates/422256/
>> there seems to be some difference of opinion there (:-)
>>> recommended the mandatory minimum sentences for felon in
>>> possession and for firearm in commission of a felony. It
>>> became more dangerous for criminals to walk around with an
>>> illegal weapon. Good police commissioners under Mr Bloomberg
>>> continued and built on that success. It was the safest large
>>> city in our country.
>> It was a bit more complex.
>>
>> Kelly, for example:
>> "instituting the Safe Streets, Safe City program, which put thousands
>> more cops on the streets, where they would be visible to and able to
>> get to know and interact with local communities."
>> and the so called stop-and-frisk policy, a New York City Police
>> Department practice of temporarily detaining, questioning, and at
>> times searching civilians and suspects on the street for weapons and
>> other contraband.
>>
>> Not that this is bad, but rather that the reduction of crime was a bit
>> more complex then just increases in sentencing.
>
> Good to know.
>
> Come to think of it, I believe one of the fundamentals of criminology is that harsher
> penalties have far less effect than increased chances of getting caught. Of course,
> the two strategies are not mutually exclusive. Best is probably a combination of both,
> along with policies that make an honest living easier to attain.
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>
+1

We've found common ground at last.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 16:52:23 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 7:19:08 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 14:13:38 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Sort of a weasel word, 'optimized', with fuzzy borders.
>> >
>> >One might posit that pistols are 'adequate' but a pair of
>> >twin .50 MA2 would be 'optimal'. Especially for crowds.
>> >
>> >That said, the large end of the problem are stolen pistols
>> >wielded by career criminals. So you're probably thinking,
>> >'what ever could be done?'. Good question because we've
>> >seen this movie before! We know what to do.
>> >
>> >NYC, under Police Commissioners Ray Kelly and Bill Bratton
>> >with strong mayoral support, sharply reduced firearms
>> >discharges, injuries and deaths for about 20 years[1]. DAs
>> see
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/ray-kelly-bill-bratton-new-york-police-crime-rates/422256/
>> there seems to be some difference of opinion there (:-)
>> >recommended the mandatory minimum sentences for felon in
>> >possession and for firearm in commission of a felony. It
>> >became more dangerous for criminals to walk around with an
>> >illegal weapon. Good police commissioners under Mr Bloomberg
>> >continued and built on that success. It was the safest large
>> >city in our country.
>> It was a bit more complex.
>>
>> Kelly, for example:
>> "instituting the Safe Streets, Safe City program, which put thousands
>> more cops on the streets, where they would be visible to and able to
>> get to know and interact with local communities."
>> and the so called stop-and-frisk policy, a New York City Police
>> Department practice of temporarily detaining, questioning, and at
>> times searching civilians and suspects on the street for weapons and
>> other contraband.
>>
>> Not that this is bad, but rather that the reduction of crime was a bit
>> more complex then just increases in sentencing.
>
>Good to know.
>
>Come to think of it, I believe one of the fundamentals of criminology is that harsher
>penalties have far less effect than increased chances of getting caught. Of course,
>the two strategies are not mutually exclusive. Best is probably a combination of both,
>along with policies that make an honest living easier to attain.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

Somewhere I have read a study that showed that a "cop on the beat" was
the most effective crime deterrent so far discovered. But, we are
informed, "it costs so much money". In fact I seem to remember SMS
going on in some detail about how the town couldn't afford it.

There is an old saying, "You pays your money and you takes your
choice" that apparently dates back to at least the 1800's, which if
true would seem to indicate that the U.S. by not being willing to"pay
the money" has made the choice.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 19:27:26 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 6/8/2022 6:18 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 14:13:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Sort of a weasel word, 'optimized', with fuzzy borders.
>>>
>>> One might posit that pistols are 'adequate' but a pair of
>>> twin .50 MA2 would be 'optimal'. Especially for crowds.
>>>
>>> That said, the large end of the problem are stolen pistols
>>> wielded by career criminals. So you're probably thinking,
>>> 'what ever could be done?'. Good question because we've
>>> seen this movie before! We know what to do.
>>>
>>> NYC, under Police Commissioners Ray Kelly and Bill Bratton
>>> with strong mayoral support, sharply reduced firearms
>>> discharges, injuries and deaths for about 20 years[1]. DAs
>> see
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/ray-kelly-bill-bratton-new-york-police-crime-rates/422256/
>> there seems to be some difference of opinion there (:-)
>>
>>> recommended the mandatory minimum sentences for felon in
>>> possession and for firearm in commission of a felony. It
>>> became more dangerous for criminals to walk around with an
>>> illegal weapon. Good police commissioners under Mr Bloomberg
>>> continued and built on that success. It was the safest large
>>> city in our country.
>>
>> It was a bit more complex.
>>
>> Kelly, for example:
>> "instituting the Safe Streets, Safe City program, which put thousands
>> more cops on the streets, where they would be visible to and able to
>> get to know and interact with local communities."
>> and the so called stop-and-frisk policy, a New York City Police
>> Department practice of temporarily detaining, questioning, and at
>> times searching civilians and suspects on the street for weapons and
>> other contraband.
>>
>> Not that this is bad, but rather that the reduction of crime was a bit
>> more complex then just increases in sentencing.
>>
>
>Yes that's right. I had assumed most people were familiar.
>
>It was a broad concerted effort and with great success. One
>detail- back then (before 'decarceration', before 'defund
>the police') turnstile jumpers were arrested and some
>significant proportion of those had outstanding warrants,
>contraband or illegal firearms. Now, there's no enforcement;
>pay the fare or not, your choice (!).
>
>Regarding the Bratton-Kelly tiff, even the At5lantic notes
>that 2014/15 was a very low crime period with 335~340
>homicides. At the end of the Dinkins administration it was
>about 2000 per year. That reduction over 12 years counts as
>a major victory in my opinion.

I suggest, I haven't actually researched this, that the largest
problem in crime suppression is money. Imagine a situation, even in
your own town, when the Mayor announces that "taxes will be increases
X% to pay for a larger police force". Admittedly I am guessing but I
suspect that the outcry would be "heard 'round the world", so to
speak.
--
Cheers,

John B.