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* 11 speed power shift and ultra shiftTom Kunich
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 by: Tom Kunich - Fri, 10 Jun 2022 21:25 UTC

Quite some time ago Anderw brough to our attention the fact that Campy said that the lower range components were incompatible with the upper range parts.

Looking up the cable pull amounts on both of them showed the same pull. So I was very skeptical. Andrew was merely reading off of the manual so he was only repeating what Campy said.

Since no one here knows shit from Shinola about upper range components other than Andrew, I went off to other technical groups and asked there. A mechanical engineer (the real kind) said that he used Record 11 levers with his Centaur 11 rear derailleur and that it worked fine.

Since I have lately also broken the myth that Campy and Shimano 11 speed Cassettes don't shift with each other, I found a set of Chorus levers and ordered them to try on the Trek. My C50 has a complete Chorus group on it so it will be easy to test.

I'll let everyone know after the tests are over.

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Subject: Re: 11 speed power shift and ultra shift
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 by: Lou Holtman - Fri, 10 Jun 2022 21:37 UTC

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 11:25:45 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> Quite some time ago Anderw brough to our attention the fact that Campy said that the lower range components were incompatible with the upper range parts.
>
> Looking up the cable pull amounts on both of them showed the same pull. So I was very skeptical. Andrew was merely reading off of the manual so he was only repeating what Campy said.
>
> Since no one here knows shit from Shinola about upper range components other than Andrew, I went off to other technical groups and asked there. A mechanical engineer (the real kind) said that he used Record 11 levers with his Centaur 11 rear derailleur and that it worked fine.
>
> Since I have lately also broken the myth that Campy and Shimano 11 speed Cassettes don't shift with each other, I found a set of Chorus levers and ordered them to try on the Trek. My C50 has a complete Chorus group on it so it will be easy to test.
>
> I'll let everyone know after the tests are over.

I ride 11 speed upper level Campagnolo groups (Chorus, Record, Super Record with Potenza spare RD) for 8 years now. You are a beginner and a slow learner.

Lou

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Subject: Re: 11 speed power shift and ultra shift
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 by: Tom Kunich - Fri, 10 Jun 2022 21:46 UTC

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 2:37:30 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 11:25:45 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > Quite some time ago Anderw brough to our attention the fact that Campy said that the lower range components were incompatible with the upper range parts.
> >
> > Looking up the cable pull amounts on both of them showed the same pull. So I was very skeptical. Andrew was merely reading off of the manual so he was only repeating what Campy said.
> >
> > Since no one here knows shit from Shinola about upper range components other than Andrew, I went off to other technical groups and asked there. A mechanical engineer (the real kind) said that he used Record 11 levers with his Centaur 11 rear derailleur and that it worked fine.
> >
> > Since I have lately also broken the myth that Campy and Shimano 11 speed Cassettes don't shift with each other, I found a set of Chorus levers and ordered them to try on the Trek. My C50 has a complete Chorus group on it so it will be easy to test.
> >
> > I'll let everyone know after the tests are over.
> I ride 11 speed upper level Campagnolo groups (Chorus, Record, Super Record with Potenza spare RD) for 8 years now. You are a beginner and a slow learner.

Lou, in which case I have to ask why you didn't say anything at the time that Andrew was telling us what the Campy tech manual said?

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Subject: Re: 11 speed power shift and ultra shift
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 by: Lou Holtman - Fri, 10 Jun 2022 21:56 UTC

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 11:46:10 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 2:37:30 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 11:25:45 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > Quite some time ago Anderw brough to our attention the fact that Campy said that the lower range components were incompatible with the upper range parts.
> > >
> > > Looking up the cable pull amounts on both of them showed the same pull. So I was very skeptical. Andrew was merely reading off of the manual so he was only repeating what Campy said.
> > >
> > > Since no one here knows shit from Shinola about upper range components other than Andrew, I went off to other technical groups and asked there. A mechanical engineer (the real kind) said that he used Record 11 levers with his Centaur 11 rear derailleur and that it worked fine.
> > >
> > > Since I have lately also broken the myth that Campy and Shimano 11 speed Cassettes don't shift with each other, I found a set of Chorus levers and ordered them to try on the Trek. My C50 has a complete Chorus group on it so it will be easy to test.
> > >
> > > I'll let everyone know after the tests are over.
> > I ride 11 speed upper level Campagnolo groups (Chorus, Record, Super Record with Potenza spare RD) for 8 years now. You are a beginner and a slow learner.
> Lou, in which case I have to ask why you didn't say anything at the time that Andrew was telling us what the Campy tech manual said?

I did when Andrew mentioned Potenza. I don’t know about Centaur; I trust Andrew about that.

Lou

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 by: Tom Kunich - Fri, 10 Jun 2022 23:26 UTC

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 2:56:17 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 11:46:10 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 2:37:30 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 11:25:45 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > Quite some time ago Anderw brough to our attention the fact that Campy said that the lower range components were incompatible with the upper range parts.
> > > >
> > > > Looking up the cable pull amounts on both of them showed the same pull. So I was very skeptical. Andrew was merely reading off of the manual so he was only repeating what Campy said.
> > > >
> > > > Since no one here knows shit from Shinola about upper range components other than Andrew, I went off to other technical groups and asked there.. A mechanical engineer (the real kind) said that he used Record 11 levers with his Centaur 11 rear derailleur and that it worked fine.
> > > >
> > > > Since I have lately also broken the myth that Campy and Shimano 11 speed Cassettes don't shift with each other, I found a set of Chorus levers and ordered them to try on the Trek. My C50 has a complete Chorus group on it so it will be easy to test.
> > > >
> > > > I'll let everyone know after the tests are over.
> > > I ride 11 speed upper level Campagnolo groups (Chorus, Record, Super Record with Potenza spare RD) for 8 years now. You are a beginner and a slow learner.
> > Lou, in which case I have to ask why you didn't say anything at the time that Andrew was telling us what the Campy tech manual said?
> I did when Andrew mentioned Potenza. I don’t know about Centaur; I trust Andrew about that.

Well, I somehow missed that and I was following the conversation enough to investigate the cable pull length of all of the levers. So that hardly makes be a beginner and slow learner.

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 by: AMuzi - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 01:07 UTC

On 6/10/2022 4:56 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 11:46:10 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 2:37:30 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 11:25:45 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> Quite some time ago Anderw brough to our attention the fact that Campy said that the lower range components were incompatible with the upper range parts.
>>>>
>>>> Looking up the cable pull amounts on both of them showed the same pull. So I was very skeptical. Andrew was merely reading off of the manual so he was only repeating what Campy said.
>>>>
>>>> Since no one here knows shit from Shinola about upper range components other than Andrew, I went off to other technical groups and asked there. A mechanical engineer (the real kind) said that he used Record 11 levers with his Centaur 11 rear derailleur and that it worked fine.
>>>>
>>>> Since I have lately also broken the myth that Campy and Shimano 11 speed Cassettes don't shift with each other, I found a set of Chorus levers and ordered them to try on the Trek. My C50 has a complete Chorus group on it so it will be easy to test.
>>>>
>>>> I'll let everyone know after the tests are over.
>>> I ride 11 speed upper level Campagnolo groups (Chorus, Record, Super Record with Potenza spare RD) for 8 years now. You are a beginner and a slow learner.
>> Lou, in which case I have to ask why you didn't say anything at the time that Andrew was telling us what the Campy tech manual said?
>
> I did when Andrew mentioned Potenza. I don’t know about Centaur; I trust Andrew about that.
>
> Lou
>

That's right, Mr Holtman. Thank you.
We just never had occasion to set up those combinations
(different customer, mostly).

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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 by: Tom Kunich - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 01:58 UTC

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 6:07:23 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/10/2022 4:56 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 11:46:10 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 2:37:30 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >>> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 11:25:45 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>> Quite some time ago Anderw brough to our attention the fact that Campy said that the lower range components were incompatible with the upper range parts.
> >>>>
> >>>> Looking up the cable pull amounts on both of them showed the same pull. So I was very skeptical. Andrew was merely reading off of the manual so he was only repeating what Campy said.
> >>>>
> >>>> Since no one here knows shit from Shinola about upper range components other than Andrew, I went off to other technical groups and asked there. A mechanical engineer (the real kind) said that he used Record 11 levers with his Centaur 11 rear derailleur and that it worked fine.
> >>>>
> >>>> Since I have lately also broken the myth that Campy and Shimano 11 speed Cassettes don't shift with each other, I found a set of Chorus levers and ordered them to try on the Trek. My C50 has a complete Chorus group on it so it will be easy to test.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll let everyone know after the tests are over.
> >>> I ride 11 speed upper level Campagnolo groups (Chorus, Record, Super Record with Potenza spare RD) for 8 years now. You are a beginner and a slow learner.
> >> Lou, in which case I have to ask why you didn't say anything at the time that Andrew was telling us what the Campy tech manual said?
> >
> > I did when Andrew mentioned Potenza. I don’t know about Centaur; I trust Andrew about that.
> >
> > Lou
> >
>
> That's right, Mr Holtman. Thank you.
> We just never had occasion to set up those combinations
> (different customer, mostly).

Well I remember you referring to the Campy manual that said that they were incompatible. I looked back four pages and couldn't find where that conversation was.

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