I NEED A REBUILD! I dropped it off at a shop some weeks back , only
to discover recently that the business had changed hands - and the new
owner was not informed about my transmission . We got that straightened
out , and though he doesn't usually work on 700R4's he agreed to do some
minor stuff .
I got a call early this morning ... he found what he considered
excessive amounts of metal "dust" in the oil , and declined to do the
mods I wanted , he recommended a full rebuild . Fortunately there's a
garage here in town that has lots of experience with these and he agreed
to build this one for me . And at a very agreeable price too . So this
morning I picked it up from the first guy (and paid him for the shift
kit he ordered in for me , with a few bucks added for his time) and
dropped it off at the other shop .
An update on the motor - I had the bottom end buttoned up , but was
unsure if I had the right bolt for my new high flow oil pump . So I
pulled the pan back off and checked again , and decided that I didn't
have enough thread engagement . I'm now awaiting the arrival of a stud
kit that will engage all the threads in the bearing cap the pump mounts
on . As soon as that is taken care of I'll be bolting the heads on and
getting the valves adjusted . I sure hope the light I'm seeing at the
end of the tunnel isn't a train !
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On 3/31/2022 7:34 PM, Snag wrote:
>   I NEED A REBUILD! I dropped it off at a shop some weeks back , only
> to discover recently that the business had changed hands - and the new
> owner was not informed about my transmission . We got that straightened
> out , and though he doesn't usually work on 700R4's he agreed to do some
> minor stuff .
>   I got a call early this morning ... he found what he considered
> excessive amounts of metal "dust" in the oil , and declined to do the
> mods I wanted , he recommended a full rebuild . Fortunately there's a
> garage here in town that has lots of experience with these and he agreed
> to build this one for me . And at a very agreeable price too . So this
> morning I picked it up from the first guy (and paid him for the shift
> kit he ordered in for me , with a few bucks added for his time) and
> dropped it off at the other shop .
>   An update on the motor - I had the bottom end buttoned up , but was
> unsure if I had the right bolt for my new high flow oil pump . So I
> pulled the pan back off and checked again , and decided that I didn't
> have enough thread engagement . I'm now awaiting the arrival of a stud
> kit that will engage all the threads in the bearing cap the pump mounts
> on . As soon as that is taken care of I'll be bolting the heads on and
> getting the valves adjusted . I sure hope the light I'm seeing at the
> end of the tunnel isn't a train !

A word of warning. If you have a high flow or high volume oil pump you
may need a larger sump pan so that you do not get a drop in oil pressure
when running at higher RPM or when you rev up the motor. Its something
I ran across in doing some research on putting my dad's old Bronco on
the road again. I recall he had been fighting low oil pressure after
his last rebuild. It has the typical Ford crap idiot gages from that
era, so he put in a direct pressure gage below the dash, and confirmed
it. I recall him saying he had put a high volume oil pump in it, and it
doing some Internet sleuthing I ran across a few reference to this as a
problem. I don't recall al the details, but it might be a worth a bit of
Internet sleuthing of your own.

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On 4/2/2022 7:08 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 3/31/2022 7:34 PM, Snag wrote:
>>    I NEED A REBUILD! I dropped it off at a shop some weeks back , only
>> to discover recently that the business had changed hands - and the new
>> owner was not informed about my transmission . We got that
>> straightened out , and though he doesn't usually work on 700R4's he
>> agreed to do some minor stuff .
>>    I got a call early this morning ... he found what he considered
>> excessive amounts of metal "dust" in the oil , and declined to do the
>> mods I wanted , he recommended a full rebuild . Fortunately there's a
>> garage here in town that has lots of experience with these and he
>> agreed to build this one for me . And at a very agreeable price too .
>> So this morning I picked it up from the first guy (and paid him for
>> the shift kit he ordered in for me , with a few bucks added for his
>> time) and dropped it off at the other shop .
>>    An update on the motor - I had the bottom end buttoned up , but was
>> unsure if I had the right bolt for my new high flow oil pump . So I
>> pulled the pan back off and checked again , and decided that I didn't
>> have enough thread engagement . I'm now awaiting the arrival of a stud
>> kit that will engage all the threads in the bearing cap the pump
>> mounts on . As soon as that is taken care of I'll be bolting the heads
>> on and getting the valves adjusted . I sure hope the light I'm seeing
>> at the end of the tunnel isn't a train !
>
>
> A word of warning.  If you have a high flow or high volume oil pump you
> may need a larger sump pan so that you do not get a drop in oil pressure
> when running at higher RPM or when you rev up the motor.  Its something
> I ran across in doing some research on putting my dad's old Bronco on
> the road again.  I recall he had been fighting low oil pressure after
> his last rebuild.  It has the typical Ford crap idiot gages from that
> era, so he put in a direct pressure gage below the dash, and confirmed
> it.  I recall him saying he had put a high volume oil pump in it, and it
> doing some Internet sleuthing I ran across a few reference to this as a
> problem. I don't recall al the details, but it might be a worth a bit of
> Internet sleuthing of your own.
>

That's something I hadn't considered ... I'm not planning on this
motor seeing much high RPM operation . But I will be watching that oil
pressure gauge if I do wind it up ! I'm not sure what to expect , this
motor always ran about 45 PSI except at idle it was around 40 .
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On 4/3/2022 5:22 AM, Snag wrote:
> On 4/2/2022 7:08 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 3/31/2022 7:34 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>    I NEED A REBUILD! I dropped it off at a shop some weeks back ,
>>> only to discover recently that the business had changed hands - and
>>> the new owner was not informed about my transmission . We got that
>>> straightened out , and though he doesn't usually work on 700R4's he
>>> agreed to do some minor stuff .
>>>    I got a call early this morning ... he found what he considered
>>> excessive amounts of metal "dust" in the oil , and declined to do the
>>> mods I wanted , he recommended a full rebuild . Fortunately there's a
>>> garage here in town that has lots of experience with these and he
>>> agreed to build this one for me . And at a very agreeable price too .
>>> So this morning I picked it up from the first guy (and paid him for
>>> the shift kit he ordered in for me , with a few bucks added for his
>>> time) and dropped it off at the other shop .
>>>    An update on the motor - I had the bottom end buttoned up , but
>>> was unsure if I had the right bolt for my new high flow oil pump . So
>>> I pulled the pan back off and checked again , and decided that I
>>> didn't have enough thread engagement . I'm now awaiting the arrival
>>> of a stud kit that will engage all the threads in the bearing cap the
>>> pump mounts on . As soon as that is taken care of I'll be bolting the
>>> heads on and getting the valves adjusted . I sure hope the light I'm
>>> seeing at the end of the tunnel isn't a train !
>>
>>
>> A word of warning.  If you have a high flow or high volume oil pump
>> you may need a larger sump pan so that you do not get a drop in oil
>> pressure when running at higher RPM or when you rev up the motor.  Its
>> something I ran across in doing some research on putting my dad's old
>> Bronco on the road again.  I recall he had been fighting low oil
>> pressure after his last rebuild.  It has the typical Ford crap idiot
>> gages from that era, so he put in a direct pressure gage below the
>> dash, and confirmed it.  I recall him saying he had put a high volume
>> oil pump in it, and it doing some Internet sleuthing I ran across a
>> few reference to this as a problem. I don't recall al the details, but
>> it might be a worth a bit of Internet sleuthing of your own.
>>
>
>   That's something I hadn't considered ... I'm not planning on this
> motor seeing much high RPM operation . But I will be watching that oil
> pressure gauge if I do wind it up ! I'm not sure what to expect , this
> motor always ran about 45 PSI except at idle it was around 40 .

Depending on the year and if you are running the stock Ford gage cluster
that may have been an idiot gage. A certain range for Ford years didn't
actually show actual oil pressure. They just showed a good appearing
range unless it actually had a serious oil pressure problem. They were
no better than idiot lights.

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On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 11:55:44 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:

>On 4/3/2022 5:22 AM, Snag wrote:
>> On 4/2/2022 7:08 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> On 3/31/2022 7:34 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>    I NEED A REBUILD! I dropped it off at a shop some weeks back ,
>>>> only to discover recently that the business had changed hands - and
>>>> the new owner was not informed about my transmission . We got that
>>>> straightened out , and though he doesn't usually work on 700R4's he
>>>> agreed to do some minor stuff .
>>>>    I got a call early this morning ... he found what he considered
>>>> excessive amounts of metal "dust" in the oil , and declined to do the
>>>> mods I wanted , he recommended a full rebuild . Fortunately there's a
>>>> garage here in town that has lots of experience with these and he
>>>> agreed to build this one for me . And at a very agreeable price too .
>>>> So this morning I picked it up from the first guy (and paid him for
>>>> the shift kit he ordered in for me , with a few bucks added for his
>>>> time) and dropped it off at the other shop .
>>>>    An update on the motor - I had the bottom end buttoned up , but
>>>> was unsure if I had the right bolt for my new high flow oil pump . So
>>>> I pulled the pan back off and checked again , and decided that I
>>>> didn't have enough thread engagement . I'm now awaiting the arrival
>>>> of a stud kit that will engage all the threads in the bearing cap the
>>>> pump mounts on . As soon as that is taken care of I'll be bolting the
>>>> heads on and getting the valves adjusted . I sure hope the light I'm
>>>> seeing at the end of the tunnel isn't a train !
>>>
>>>
>>> A word of warning.  If you have a high flow or high volume oil pump
>>> you may need a larger sump pan so that you do not get a drop in oil
>>> pressure when running at higher RPM or when you rev up the motor.  Its
>>> something I ran across in doing some research on putting my dad's old
>>> Bronco on the road again.  I recall he had been fighting low oil
>>> pressure after his last rebuild.  It has the typical Ford crap idiot
>>> gages from that era, so he put in a direct pressure gage below the
>>> dash, and confirmed it.  I recall him saying he had put a high volume
>>> oil pump in it, and it doing some Internet sleuthing I ran across a
>>> few reference to this as a problem. I don't recall al the details, but
>>> it might be a worth a bit of Internet sleuthing of your own.
>>>
>>
>>   That's something I hadn't considered ... I'm not planning on this
>> motor seeing much high RPM operation . But I will be watching that oil
>> pressure gauge if I do wind it up ! I'm not sure what to expect , this
>> motor always ran about 45 PSI except at idle it was around 40 .
>
>
>Depending on the year and if you are running the stock Ford gage cluster
>that may have been an idiot gage. A certain range for Ford years didn't
>actually show actual oil pressure. They just showed a good appearing
>range unless it actually had a serious oil pressure problem. They were
>no better than idiot lights.
That is virtually every Ford olil pressure guage since at leat the
late '80s Grounf the sensor wire and they jump to roughk=ly half scale
(and not ONLY Ford - although I believe they were the first to pull
the stunt.)

On 4/3/2022 12:44 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 11:55:44 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/3/2022 5:22 AM, Snag wrote:
>>> On 4/2/2022 7:08 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 3/31/2022 7:34 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>>    I NEED A REBUILD! I dropped it off at a shop some weeks back ,
>>>>> only to discover recently that the business had changed hands - and
>>>>> the new owner was not informed about my transmission . We got that
>>>>> straightened out , and though he doesn't usually work on 700R4's he
>>>>> agreed to do some minor stuff .
>>>>>    I got a call early this morning ... he found what he considered
>>>>> excessive amounts of metal "dust" in the oil , and declined to do the
>>>>> mods I wanted , he recommended a full rebuild . Fortunately there's a
>>>>> garage here in town that has lots of experience with these and he
>>>>> agreed to build this one for me . And at a very agreeable price too .
>>>>> So this morning I picked it up from the first guy (and paid him for
>>>>> the shift kit he ordered in for me , with a few bucks added for his
>>>>> time) and dropped it off at the other shop .
>>>>>    An update on the motor - I had the bottom end buttoned up , but
>>>>> was unsure if I had the right bolt for my new high flow oil pump . So
>>>>> I pulled the pan back off and checked again , and decided that I
>>>>> didn't have enough thread engagement . I'm now awaiting the arrival
>>>>> of a stud kit that will engage all the threads in the bearing cap the
>>>>> pump mounts on . As soon as that is taken care of I'll be bolting the
>>>>> heads on and getting the valves adjusted . I sure hope the light I'm
>>>>> seeing at the end of the tunnel isn't a train !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A word of warning.  If you have a high flow or high volume oil pump
>>>> you may need a larger sump pan so that you do not get a drop in oil
>>>> pressure when running at higher RPM or when you rev up the motor.  Its
>>>> something I ran across in doing some research on putting my dad's old
>>>> Bronco on the road again.  I recall he had been fighting low oil
>>>> pressure after his last rebuild.  It has the typical Ford crap idiot
>>>> gages from that era, so he put in a direct pressure gage below the
>>>> dash, and confirmed it.  I recall him saying he had put a high volume
>>>> oil pump in it, and it doing some Internet sleuthing I ran across a
>>>> few reference to this as a problem. I don't recall al the details, but
>>>> it might be a worth a bit of Internet sleuthing of your own.
>>>>
>>>
>>>   That's something I hadn't considered ... I'm not planning on this
>>> motor seeing much high RPM operation . But I will be watching that oil
>>> pressure gauge if I do wind it up ! I'm not sure what to expect , this
>>> motor always ran about 45 PSI except at idle it was around 40 .
>>
>>
>> Depending on the year and if you are running the stock Ford gage cluster
>> that may have been an idiot gage. A certain range for Ford years didn't
>> actually show actual oil pressure. They just showed a good appearing
>> range unless it actually had a serious oil pressure problem. They were
>> no better than idiot lights.
> That is virtually every Ford olil pressure guage since at leat the
> late '80s Grounf the sensor wire and they jump to roughk=ly half scale
> (and not ONLY Ford - although I believe they were the first to pull
> the stunt.)

Early 80s. The Bronco was an 82. I don't know about my 76 F150 and 78
F250 Ford pickups. I never checked.

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On 4/3/2022 1:55 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 4/3/2022 5:22 AM, Snag wrote:
>> On 4/2/2022 7:08 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> On 3/31/2022 7:34 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>    I NEED A REBUILD! I dropped it off at a shop some weeks back ,
>>>> only to discover recently that the business had changed hands - and
>>>> the new owner was not informed about my transmission . We got that
>>>> straightened out , and though he doesn't usually work on 700R4's he
>>>> agreed to do some minor stuff .
>>>>    I got a call early this morning ... he found what he considered
>>>> excessive amounts of metal "dust" in the oil , and declined to do
>>>> the mods I wanted , he recommended a full rebuild . Fortunately
>>>> there's a garage here in town that has lots of experience with these
>>>> and he agreed to build this one for me . And at a very agreeable
>>>> price too . So this morning I picked it up from the first guy (and
>>>> paid him for the shift kit he ordered in for me , with a few bucks
>>>> added for his time) and dropped it off at the other shop .
>>>>    An update on the motor - I had the bottom end buttoned up , but
>>>> was unsure if I had the right bolt for my new high flow oil pump .
>>>> So I pulled the pan back off and checked again , and decided that I
>>>> didn't have enough thread engagement . I'm now awaiting the arrival
>>>> of a stud kit that will engage all the threads in the bearing cap
>>>> the pump mounts on . As soon as that is taken care of I'll be
>>>> bolting the heads on and getting the valves adjusted . I sure hope
>>>> the light I'm seeing at the end of the tunnel isn't a train !
>>>
>>>
>>> A word of warning.  If you have a high flow or high volume oil pump
>>> you may need a larger sump pan so that you do not get a drop in oil
>>> pressure when running at higher RPM or when you rev up the motor.
>>> Its something I ran across in doing some research on putting my dad's
>>> old Bronco on the road again.  I recall he had been fighting low oil
>>> pressure after his last rebuild.  It has the typical Ford crap idiot
>>> gages from that era, so he put in a direct pressure gage below the
>>> dash, and confirmed it.  I recall him saying he had put a high volume
>>> oil pump in it, and it doing some Internet sleuthing I ran across a
>>> few reference to this as a problem. I don't recall al the details,
>>> but it might be a worth a bit of Internet sleuthing of your own.
>>>
>>
>>    That's something I hadn't considered ... I'm not planning on this
>> motor seeing much high RPM operation . But I will be watching that oil
>> pressure gauge if I do wind it up ! I'm not sure what to expect , this
>> motor always ran about 45 PSI except at idle it was around 40 .
>
>
> Depending on the year and if you are running the stock Ford gage cluster
> that may have been an idiot gage.  A certain range for Ford years didn't
> actually show actual oil pressure.  They just showed a good appearing
> range unless it actually had a serious oil pressure problem.  They were
> no better than idiot lights.
>
>
>

Why would I have Ford cluster in my 1986 GMC pickup ?
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:t2cqjf$mre$1@gioia.aioe.org...

Depending on the year and if you are running the stock Ford gage cluster
that may have been an idiot gage. A certain range for Ford years didn't
actually show actual oil pressure. They just showed a good appearing
range unless it actually had a serious oil pressure problem. They were
no better than idiot lights.

------------------

On my '91 there is a 200 ohm resistor in the gauge that fakes a good
pressure reading as long as the pressure SWITCH is closed. Supposedly a
Diesel engine resistive pressure sender can make the gauge meter swing, but
the scale is not graduated.

On 4/3/2022 2:54 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 4/3/2022 1:55 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 4/3/2022 5:22 AM, Snag wrote:
>>> On 4/2/2022 7:08 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 3/31/2022 7:34 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>>    I NEED A REBUILD! I dropped it off at a shop some weeks back ,
>>>>> only to discover recently that the business had changed hands - and
>>>>> the new owner was not informed about my transmission . We got that
>>>>> straightened out , and though he doesn't usually work on 700R4's he
>>>>> agreed to do some minor stuff .
>>>>>    I got a call early this morning ... he found what he considered
>>>>> excessive amounts of metal "dust" in the oil , and declined to do
>>>>> the mods I wanted , he recommended a full rebuild . Fortunately
>>>>> there's a garage here in town that has lots of experience with
>>>>> these and he agreed to build this one for me . And at a very
>>>>> agreeable price too . So this morning I picked it up from the first
>>>>> guy (and paid him for the shift kit he ordered in for me , with a
>>>>> few bucks added for his time) and dropped it off at the other shop .
>>>>>    An update on the motor - I had the bottom end buttoned up , but
>>>>> was unsure if I had the right bolt for my new high flow oil pump .
>>>>> So I pulled the pan back off and checked again , and decided that I
>>>>> didn't have enough thread engagement . I'm now awaiting the arrival
>>>>> of a stud kit that will engage all the threads in the bearing cap
>>>>> the pump mounts on . As soon as that is taken care of I'll be
>>>>> bolting the heads on and getting the valves adjusted . I sure hope
>>>>> the light I'm seeing at the end of the tunnel isn't a train !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A word of warning.  If you have a high flow or high volume oil pump
>>>> you may need a larger sump pan so that you do not get a drop in oil
>>>> pressure when running at higher RPM or when you rev up the motor.
>>>> Its something I ran across in doing some research on putting my
>>>> dad's old Bronco on the road again.  I recall he had been fighting
>>>> low oil pressure after his last rebuild.  It has the typical Ford
>>>> crap idiot gages from that era, so he put in a direct pressure gage
>>>> below the dash, and confirmed it.  I recall him saying he had put a
>>>> high volume oil pump in it, and it doing some Internet sleuthing I
>>>> ran across a few reference to this as a problem. I don't recall al
>>>> the details, but it might be a worth a bit of Internet sleuthing of
>>>> your own.
>>>>
>>>
>>>    That's something I hadn't considered ... I'm not planning on this
>>> motor seeing much high RPM operation . But I will be watching that
>>> oil pressure gauge if I do wind it up ! I'm not sure what to expect ,
>>> this motor always ran about 45 PSI except at idle it was around 40 .
>>
>>
>> Depending on the year and if you are running the stock Ford gage
>> cluster that may have been an idiot gage.  A certain range for Ford
>> years didn't actually show actual oil pressure.  They just showed a
>> good appearing range unless it actually had a serious oil pressure
>> problem.  They were no better than idiot lights.
>>
>>
>>
>
>   Why would I have  Ford cluster in my 1986 GMC pickup ?

Well, there is that.

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On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 16:54:10 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 4/3/2022 1:55 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 4/3/2022 5:22 AM, Snag wrote:
>>> On 4/2/2022 7:08 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 3/31/2022 7:34 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>>>    I NEED A REBUILD! I dropped it off at a shop some weeks back ,
>>>>> only to discover recently that the business had changed hands - and
>>>>> the new owner was not informed about my transmission . We got that
>>>>> straightened out , and though he doesn't usually work on 700R4's he
>>>>> agreed to do some minor stuff .
>>>>>    I got a call early this morning ... he found what he considered
>>>>> excessive amounts of metal "dust" in the oil , and declined to do
>>>>> the mods I wanted , he recommended a full rebuild . Fortunately
>>>>> there's a garage here in town that has lots of experience with these
>>>>> and he agreed to build this one for me . And at a very agreeable
>>>>> price too . So this morning I picked it up from the first guy (and
>>>>> paid him for the shift kit he ordered in for me , with a few bucks
>>>>> added for his time) and dropped it off at the other shop .
>>>>>    An update on the motor - I had the bottom end buttoned up , but
>>>>> was unsure if I had the right bolt for my new high flow oil pump .
>>>>> So I pulled the pan back off and checked again , and decided that I
>>>>> didn't have enough thread engagement . I'm now awaiting the arrival
>>>>> of a stud kit that will engage all the threads in the bearing cap
>>>>> the pump mounts on . As soon as that is taken care of I'll be
>>>>> bolting the heads on and getting the valves adjusted . I sure hope
>>>>> the light I'm seeing at the end of the tunnel isn't a train !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A word of warning.  If you have a high flow or high volume oil pump
>>>> you may need a larger sump pan so that you do not get a drop in oil
>>>> pressure when running at higher RPM or when you rev up the motor.
>>>> Its something I ran across in doing some research on putting my dad's
>>>> old Bronco on the road again.  I recall he had been fighting low oil
>>>> pressure after his last rebuild.  It has the typical Ford crap idiot
>>>> gages from that era, so he put in a direct pressure gage below the
>>>> dash, and confirmed it.  I recall him saying he had put a high volume
>>>> oil pump in it, and it doing some Internet sleuthing I ran across a
>>>> few reference to this as a problem. I don't recall al the details,
>>>> but it might be a worth a bit of Internet sleuthing of your own.
>>>>
>>>
>>>    That's something I hadn't considered ... I'm not planning on this
>>> motor seeing much high RPM operation . But I will be watching that oil
>>> pressure gauge if I do wind it up ! I'm not sure what to expect , this
>>> motor always ran about 45 PSI except at idle it was around 40 .
>>
>>
>> Depending on the year and if you are running the stock Ford gage cluster
>> that may have been an idiot gage.  A certain range for Ford years didn't
>> actually show actual oil pressure.  They just showed a good appearing
>> range unless it actually had a serious oil pressure problem.  They were
>> no better than idiot lights.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Why would I have Ford cluster in my 1986 GMC pickup ?
GMC does the same thing on many models - do the "grounf test" to know
for sure. If it is a "real" guage grounding will show fulkl scale