I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.

So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.

Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB. Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern about them is just they can be more finicky and require more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on the Habby I have now spins like a top.

I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out more for the right bike.
Deacon Mark

On 7/19/22 12:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>
> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>
> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB. Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern about them is just they can be more finicky and require more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>
> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out more for the right bike.

If I was in the market (only if my 1982 racer would fail) I'd share your
goals. Disk is certainly superior. For a road bike a mechanical disk
brake system can be ok if you aren't overweight and don't carry lots of
stuff. Of course, hydraulic is better but also more maintenance. If you
transport your bike often laying down in a truck bed or an SUV a
hydraulic system can be squishy for a few miles afterwards.

Threaded BB is a must for me, no pressed stuff.

My preference would be steel. No plastics. Titanium is great but pricey
and probably almost unobtanium right now. Mounting facilities for racks
would be another requirement for me.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 3:12:21 PM UTC-4, deaco...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not have BSA thread BB.. I could go Habanero.
>
> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>
> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB. Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern about them is just they can be more finicky and require more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>
> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out more for the right bike.
> Deacon Mark

I have a friend with a relatively new Habanero Ti gravel bike that he's over the moon about. He also said the company is great to deal with, he took delivery in late 2019, so prepandemic...don't know how they've fared since then.

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:12:21 PM UTC+2, deaco...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not have BSA thread BB.. I could go Habanero.
>
> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>
> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB. Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern about them is just they can be more finicky and require more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>
> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out more for the right bike.
> Deacon Mark

$3000 for complete Ti bike with hydraulic disks? Well I better keep quiet then.

Lou

On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>
> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>
> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB. Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern about them is just they can be more finicky and require more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>
> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out more for the right bike.
> Deacon Mark

.... and marketing claims another victim!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 12:12:21 PM UTC-7, deaco...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not have BSA thread BB.. I could go Habanero.
>
> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>
> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB. Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern about them is just they can be more finicky and require more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>
> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out more for the right bike.
> Deacon Mark
I have had a Felt or two and was impressed with them. I also very much prefer 105 parts which are make without any trick manufacturing processes which might cause parts to fail. https://feltbicycles.com/products/fr-race-bike?variant=31975553663094

On 7/19/2022 2:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>
> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>
> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB. Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern about them is just they can be more finicky and require more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>
> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out more for the right bike.
> Deacon Mark
>

You might have a look at the Gunnar Road Disc:
www.gunnarbikes.com

The limiting factor will be continuing shortages of components.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 7/19/2022 12:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>
> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>
> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB. Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern about them is just they can be more finicky and require more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>
> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out more for the right bike.
> Deacon Mark

<http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/disc-brake-roadbikes/lechampion-ti-disc-brake-titanium-road-bikes.htm>

Those frames come from Ora in Taiwan that makes most of the titanium
frames in the world.

Those titanium frame Motobecanes sell out quickly and they are sold out
at this time.

But this has a BSA bottom bracket. I think you're obsessing about the
bottom bracket. Ultegra not 105.

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 1:48:26 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 7/19/2022 2:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
> > I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
> >
> > So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
> >
> > Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB. Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern about them is just they can be more finicky and require more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on the Habby I have now spins like a top.
> >
> > I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out more for the right bike.
> > Deacon Mark
> >
> You might have a look at the Gunnar Road Disc:
> www.gunnarbikes.com
>
> The limiting factor will be continuing shortages of components.

Also very good.

On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want
>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want
>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not
>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>>
>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are
>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked
>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>>
>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB.
>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
>> required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on
>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>>
>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I
>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I
>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out
>> more for the right bike.
>> Deacon Mark
>
> ... and marketing claims another victim!
>

Could be, but you don't know that.
He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want
>>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
>>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
>>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want
>>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not
>>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>>>
>>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
>>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are
>>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked
>>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>>>
>>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB.
>>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
>>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
>>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
>>> required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on
>>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>>>
>>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
>>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I
>>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I
>>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out
>>> more for the right bike.
>>> Deacon Mark
>>
>> ... and marketing claims another victim!
>>
>
> Could be, but you don't know that.
> He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.

He could speak to that point. But of the people I know who have bought
disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of them has
mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.

Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with discs." Some,
afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had never mentioned
any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly never had stopping
problems when I've ridden with them.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
> >>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want
> >>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
> >>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
> >>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want
> >>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not
> >>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
> >>>
> >>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
> >>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are
> >>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked
> >>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
> >>>
> >>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB.
> >>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
> >>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
> >>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
> >>> required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on
> >>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
> >>>
> >>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
> >>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I
> >>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I
> >>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out
> >>> more for the right bike.
> >>> Deacon Mark
> >>
> >> ... and marketing claims another victim!
> >>
> >
> > Could be, but you don't know that.
> > He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.
> He could speak to that point. But of the people I know who have bought
> disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of them has
> mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.
>
> Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with discs." Some,
> afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had never mentioned
> any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly never had stopping
> problems when I've ridden with them.
>
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
I have a Habanero TI road bike it is fantastic I just was wanting a disk bike I could ride and go with 30mm tires for a change of pace. I still would like some thoughts on the BSA threaded BB. It it completely need or do we just deal with press fit. Also does Gunnar sell a whole bike or just frames do you need to go through dealers they do make great bikes
Deacon mark

On 7/19/2022 6:17 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want
>>>>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
>>>>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
>>>>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want
>>>>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not
>>>>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
>>>>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are
>>>>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked
>>>>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB.
>>>>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
>>>>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
>>>>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
>>>>> required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on
>>>>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>>>>>
>>>>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
>>>>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I
>>>>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I
>>>>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out
>>>>> more for the right bike.
>>>>> Deacon Mark
>>>>
>>>> ... and marketing claims another victim!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Could be, but you don't know that.
>>> He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.
>> He could speak to that point. But of the people I know who have bought
>> disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of them has
>> mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.
>>
>> Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with discs." Some,
>> afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had never mentioned
>> any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly never had stopping
>> problems when I've ridden with them.
>>
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
> I have a Habanero TI road bike it is fantastic I just was wanting a disk bike I could ride and go with 30mm tires for a change of pace. I still would like some thoughts on the BSA threaded BB. It it completely need or do we just deal with press fit. Also does Gunnar sell a whole bike or just frames do you need to go through dealers they do make great bikes
> Deacon mark
>

Frames and forks and yes sold through dealers who assemble
to your specs.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 7/19/2022 7:17 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want
>>>>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
>>>>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
>>>>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want
>>>>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not
>>>>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
>>>>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are
>>>>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked
>>>>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB.
>>>>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
>>>>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
>>>>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
>>>>> required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on
>>>>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>>>>>
>>>>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
>>>>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I
>>>>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I
>>>>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out
>>>>> more for the right bike.
>>>>> Deacon Mark
>>>>
>>>> ... and marketing claims another victim!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Could be, but you don't know that.
>>> He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.
>> He could speak to that point. But of the people I know who have bought
>> disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of them has
>> mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.
>>
>> Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with discs." Some,
>> afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had never mentioned
>> any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly never had stopping
>> problems when I've ridden with them.
>>
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
> I have a Habanero TI road bike it is fantastic I just was wanting a disk bike I could ride and go with 30mm tires for a change of pace.

So what you really want is a titanium bike that accepts 30mm tires, not
necessarily a disc brake bike.

You've posted descriptions of your terrain and riding style. Nothing
you've mentioned has called for discs.

I currently have 28mm tires on my touring bike, but have fitted as fat
as 37 in the past. Five other bikes have 32mm or wider. None of my bikes
have disc brakes.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 19:46:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 7/19/2022 7:17 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>>>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want
>>>>>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
>>>>>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
>>>>>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want
>>>>>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not
>>>>>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
>>>>>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are
>>>>>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked
>>>>>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB.
>>>>>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
>>>>>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
>>>>>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
>>>>>> required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on
>>>>>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
>>>>>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I
>>>>>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I
>>>>>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out
>>>>>> more for the right bike.
>>>>>> Deacon Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> ... and marketing claims another victim!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Could be, but you don't know that.
>>>> He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.
>>> He could speak to that point. But of the people I know who have bought
>>> disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of them has
>>> mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.
>>>
>>> Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with discs." Some,
>>> afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had never mentioned
>>> any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly never had stopping
>>> problems when I've ridden with them.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> I have a Habanero TI road bike it is fantastic I just was wanting a disk bike I could ride and go with 30mm tires for a change of pace.
>
>So what you really want is a titanium bike that accepts 30mm tires, not
>necessarily a disc brake bike.
>
>You've posted descriptions of your terrain and riding style. Nothing
>you've mentioned has called for discs.
>
>I currently have 28mm tires on my touring bike, but have fitted as fat
>as 37 in the past. Five other bikes have 32mm or wider. None of my bikes
>have disc brakes.

But Frank! Everyone knows that disc brakes are better!
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 7/19/2022 7:28 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 19:46:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 7/19/2022 7:17 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>>>>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want
>>>>>>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
>>>>>>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
>>>>>>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want
>>>>>>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not
>>>>>>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
>>>>>>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are
>>>>>>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked
>>>>>>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB.
>>>>>>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
>>>>>>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
>>>>>>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
>>>>>>> required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on
>>>>>>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
>>>>>>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I
>>>>>>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I
>>>>>>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out
>>>>>>> more for the right bike.
>>>>>>> Deacon Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... and marketing claims another victim!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Could be, but you don't know that.
>>>>> He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.
>>>> He could speak to that point. But of the people I know who have bought
>>>> disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of them has
>>>> mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.
>>>>
>>>> Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with discs." Some,
>>>> afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had never mentioned
>>>> any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly never had stopping
>>>> problems when I've ridden with them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>> I have a Habanero TI road bike it is fantastic I just was wanting a disk bike I could ride and go with 30mm tires for a change of pace.
>>
>> So what you really want is a titanium bike that accepts 30mm tires, not
>> necessarily a disc brake bike.
>>
>> You've posted descriptions of your terrain and riding style. Nothing
>> you've mentioned has called for discs.
>>
>> I currently have 28mm tires on my touring bike, but have fitted as fat
>> as 37 in the past. Five other bikes have 32mm or wider. None of my bikes
>> have disc brakes.
>
>
> But Frank! Everyone knows that disc brakes are better!
>

Oh really?
'Everyone' said my Weinmann sidepulls were the best in 1965.
'Everyone' told me Mafac centerpulls were better in 1970.
It's so hard to keep up.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 20:04:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 7/19/2022 7:28 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 19:46:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/19/2022 7:17 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want
>>>>>>>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
>>>>>>>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
>>>>>>>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want
>>>>>>>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not
>>>>>>>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
>>>>>>>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are
>>>>>>>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked
>>>>>>>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB.
>>>>>>>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
>>>>>>>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
>>>>>>>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
>>>>>>>> required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on
>>>>>>>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
>>>>>>>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I
>>>>>>>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I
>>>>>>>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out
>>>>>>>> more for the right bike.
>>>>>>>> Deacon Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... and marketing claims another victim!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could be, but you don't know that.
>>>>>> He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.
>>>>> He could speak to that point. But of the people I know who have bought
>>>>> disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of them has
>>>>> mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with discs." Some,
>>>>> afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had never mentioned
>>>>> any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly never had stopping
>>>>> problems when I've ridden with them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>> I have a Habanero TI road bike it is fantastic I just was wanting a disk bike I could ride and go with 30mm tires for a change of pace.
>>>
>>> So what you really want is a titanium bike that accepts 30mm tires, not
>>> necessarily a disc brake bike.
>>>
>>> You've posted descriptions of your terrain and riding style. Nothing
>>> you've mentioned has called for discs.
>>>
>>> I currently have 28mm tires on my touring bike, but have fitted as fat
>>> as 37 in the past. Five other bikes have 32mm or wider. None of my bikes
>>> have disc brakes.
>>
>>
>> But Frank! Everyone knows that disc brakes are better!
>>
>
>Oh really?
>'Everyone' said my Weinmann sidepulls were the best in 1965.
>'Everyone' told me Mafac centerpulls were better in 1970.
>It's so hard to keep up.

Of course I was being facetious (:-)

But one of the best stopping brakes I ever had on a bicycle was Vee
brakes. Properly adjusted they would stop either the front or rear
wheel from turning, on dry "blacktop" pavement when coasting down a
hill at 25 kpm.

And, I suspect that the side pull brakes on my "road" bikes work
equally well although admittedly I have never actually tested them but
once in traffic - maybe 15 kpm - a car stopped rather abruptly in
front of me and I grabbed the front brake and the rear wheel came off
the ground. (I eased off the brake to avoid a "header" and hit the
car.)

--
Cheers,

John B.

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want
>>>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
>>>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
>>>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want
>>>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not
>>>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>>>>
>>>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
>>>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are
>>>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked
>>>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>>>>
>>>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB.
>>>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
>>>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
>>>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
>>>> required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on
>>>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>>>>
>>>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
>>>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I
>>>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I
>>>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out
>>>> more for the right bike.
>>>> Deacon Mark
>>>
>>> ... and marketing claims another victim!
>>>
>>
>> Could be, but you don't know that.
>> He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.
>
> He could speak to that point. But of the people I know who have bought
> disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of them has
> mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.
>
> Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with discs." Some,
> afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had never mentioned
> any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly never had stopping
> problems when I've ridden with them.
>
>

The next bike I buy will probably have disk brakes, partially because they
should stop my bike better than the crappy Tektro cantilevers on my current
bike. I could maybe adjust them to get acceptable braking, but then I’d
have to remove the fenders to get the straddle cable low enough.

So there. Now you have heard of somebody who complained about sub-optimal
braking with rim brakes before buying a bike with disks.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 1:10:04 a.m. UTC-4, Ralph Barone wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
> >>>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want
> >>>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
> >>>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
> >>>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want
> >>>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not
> >>>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
> >>>>
> >>>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
> >>>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are
> >>>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked
> >>>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB.
> >>>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
> >>>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
> >>>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
> >>>> required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on
> >>>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
> >>>>
> >>>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
> >>>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I
> >>>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I
> >>>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out
> >>>> more for the right bike.
> >>>> Deacon Mark
> >>>
> >>> ... and marketing claims another victim!
> >>>
> >>
> >> Could be, but you don't know that.
> >> He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.
> >
> > He could speak to that point. But of the people I know who have bought
> > disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of them has
> > mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.
> >
> > Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with discs." Some,
> > afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had never mentioned
> > any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly never had stopping
> > problems when I've ridden with them.
> >
> >
> The next bike I buy will probably have disk brakes, partially because they
> should stop my bike better than the crappy Tektro cantilevers on my current
> bike. I could maybe adjust them to get acceptable braking, but then I’d
> have to remove the fenders to get the straddle cable low enough.
>
> So there. Now you have heard of somebody who complained about sub-optimal
> braking with rim brakes before buying a bike with disks.

On my MTB in winter in snow or slush I far prefer the V-brakes I installed after removing the cantilever ones. The V-brakes have a LOT better stopping than did my PROPERLY adjusted cantilever brakes.

Cheers

Ralph Barone <ralph@invalid.com> wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want
>>>>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
>>>>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
>>>>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want
>>>>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not
>>>>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
>>>>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are
>>>>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked
>>>>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB.
>>>>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
>>>>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
>>>>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
>>>>> required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on
>>>>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>>>>>
>>>>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
>>>>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I
>>>>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I
>>>>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out
>>>>> more for the right bike.
>>>>> Deacon Mark
>>>>
>>>> ... and marketing claims another victim!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Could be, but you don't know that.
>>> He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.
>>
>> He could speak to that point. But of the people I know who have bought
>> disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of them has
>> mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.
>>
>> Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with discs." Some,
>> afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had never mentioned
>> any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly never had stopping
>> problems when I've ridden with them.
>>
>>
>
> The next bike I buy will probably have disk brakes, partially because they
> should stop my bike better than the crappy Tektro cantilevers on my current
> bike. I could maybe adjust them to get acceptable braking, but then I’d
> have to remove the fenders to get the straddle cable low enough.
>
> So there. Now you have heard of somebody who complained about sub-optimal
> braking with rim brakes before buying a bike with disks.
>
>
I’ve said it was the main reason for moving from my CX bike cantilever to
the Gravel bike cable and now hydraulic disks.

As a early Gravel bike it has not much bigger tyres, so largely it was
disks that made the choice.

I’ve said this number of times, and the difference both off and on road is
fairly significant.

Roger Merriman

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 7/19/2022 7:17 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>>>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want
>>>>>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
>>>>>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
>>>>>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want
>>>>>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not
>>>>>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
>>>>>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are
>>>>>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked
>>>>>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB.
>>>>>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
>>>>>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
>>>>>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
>>>>>> required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on
>>>>>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
>>>>>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I
>>>>>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I
>>>>>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out
>>>>>> more for the right bike.
>>>>>> Deacon Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> ... and marketing claims another victim!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Could be, but you don't know that.
>>>> He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.
>>> He could speak to that point. But of the people I know who have bought
>>> disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of them has
>>> mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.
>>>
>>> Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with discs." Some,
>>> afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had never mentioned
>>> any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly never had stopping
>>> problems when I've ridden with them.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> I have a Habanero TI road bike it is fantastic I just was wanting a disk
>> bike I could ride and go with 30mm tires for a change of pace.
>
> So what you really want is a titanium bike that accepts 30mm tires, not
> necessarily a disc brake bike.
>
> You've posted descriptions of your terrain and riding style. Nothing
> you've mentioned has called for discs.
>
> I currently have 28mm tires on my touring bike, but have fitted as fat
> as 37 in the past. Five other bikes have 32mm or wider. None of my bikes
> have disc brakes.
>
>
That is one of the advantages of disks that road bike frames will accept
wider tyres.

Ignoring braking just having wider tyres on normal roads is a far more
relaxed ride.

Roger Merriman

On 7/20/2022 8:55 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 7/19/2022 7:17 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>>>>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I want
>>>>>>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
>>>>>>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
>>>>>>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not want
>>>>>>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do not
>>>>>>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
>>>>>>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel bikes are
>>>>>>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I checked
>>>>>>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread BB.
>>>>>>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
>>>>>>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
>>>>>>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
>>>>>>> required any maintenance and I getting close to 40,000 on
>>>>>>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
>>>>>>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay what I
>>>>>>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over $4500. I
>>>>>>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could fork out
>>>>>>> more for the right bike.
>>>>>>> Deacon Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... and marketing claims another victim!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Could be, but you don't know that.
>>>>> He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.
>>>> He could speak to that point. But of the people I know who have bought
>>>> disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of them has
>>>> mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.
>>>>
>>>> Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with discs." Some,
>>>> afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had never mentioned
>>>> any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly never had stopping
>>>> problems when I've ridden with them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>> I have a Habanero TI road bike it is fantastic I just was wanting a disk
>>> bike I could ride and go with 30mm tires for a change of pace.
>>
>> So what you really want is a titanium bike that accepts 30mm tires, not
>> necessarily a disc brake bike.
>>
>> You've posted descriptions of your terrain and riding style. Nothing
>> you've mentioned has called for discs.
>>
>> I currently have 28mm tires on my touring bike, but have fitted as fat
>> as 37 in the past. Five other bikes have 32mm or wider. None of my bikes
>> have disc brakes.
>>
>>
> That is one of the advantages of disks that road bike frames will accept
> wider tyres.

I just measured a bunch of tires mounted on our bikes. 28mm, 32mm, 37mm,
40mm, 48mm. No disc brakes.

> Ignoring braking just having wider tyres on normal roads is a far more
> relaxed ride.

Not many years ago, I was saying here that close clearance frames
limiting tire width to 25mm made no sense. Posters here vigorously
defended the manufacturers of those bikes, saying "... aerodynamics!..."
or "... stiffness!..." or other nonsense.

Now people are defending the manufacturers who say "You must have discs
so you can mount wide enough tires."

Ah, fashion!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 7/20/2022 9:24 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 7/20/2022 8:55 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2022 7:17 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, Frank
>>>> Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
>>>>>>>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
>>>>>>>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
>>>>>>>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel
>>>>>>>> bikes are
>>>>>>>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I
>>>>>>>> checked
>>>>>>>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread
>>>>>>>> BB.
>>>>>>>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
>>>>>>>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
>>>>>>>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
>>>>>>>> required any maintenance and I getting close to
>>>>>>>> 40,000 on
>>>>>>>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
>>>>>>>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay
>>>>>>>> what I
>>>>>>>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over
>>>>>>>> $4500. I
>>>>>>>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could
>>>>>>>> fork out
>>>>>>>> more for the right bike.
>>>>>>>> Deacon Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... and marketing claims another victim!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could be, but you don't know that.
>>>>>> He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.
>>>>> He could speak to that point. But of the people I know
>>>>> who have bought
>>>>> disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of
>>>>> them has
>>>>> mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with
>>>>> discs." Some,
>>>>> afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had
>>>>> never mentioned
>>>>> any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly
>>>>> never had stopping
>>>>> problems when I've ridden with them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>> I have a Habanero TI road bike it is fantastic I just
>>>> was wanting a disk
>>>> bike I could ride and go with 30mm tires for a change of
>>>> pace.
>>>
>>> So what you really want is a titanium bike that accepts
>>> 30mm tires, not
>>> necessarily a disc brake bike.
>>>
>>> You've posted descriptions of your terrain and riding
>>> style. Nothing
>>> you've mentioned has called for discs.
>>>
>>> I currently have 28mm tires on my touring bike, but have
>>> fitted as fat
>>> as 37 in the past. Five other bikes have 32mm or wider.
>>> None of my bikes
>>> have disc brakes.
>>>
>>>
>> That is one of the advantages of disks that road bike
>> frames will accept
>> wider tyres.
>
> I just measured a bunch of tires mounted on our bikes. 28mm,
> 32mm, 37mm, 40mm, 48mm. No disc brakes.
>
>> Ignoring braking just having wider tyres on normal roads
>> is a far more
>> relaxed ride.
>
> Not many years ago, I was saying here that close clearance
> frames limiting tire width to 25mm made no sense. Posters
> here vigorously defended the manufacturers of those bikes,
> saying "... aerodynamics!..." or "... stiffness!..." or
> other nonsense.
>
> Now people are defending the manufacturers who say "You must
> have discs so you can mount wide enough tires."
>
> Ah, fashion!
>

I own and ride both very short (<1m) tight clearance frames
and longer slacker machines with mudguards etc. They are
very different in handling, response and road feel. Neither
is better; I like both for different reasons, different
rides, different days. Nothing wrong with choice IMHO.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 7/20/2022 1:09 AM, Ralph Barone wrote:
>
> The next bike I buy will probably have disk brakes, partially because they
> should stop my bike better than the crappy Tektro cantilevers on my current
> bike. I could maybe adjust them to get acceptable braking, but then I’d
> have to remove the fenders to get the straddle cable low enough.
>
> So there. Now you have heard of somebody who complained about sub-optimal
> braking with rim brakes before buying a bike with disks.

Maybe we should talk about your brake setup in detail. I say that
because I have three bikes with conventional cantilevers and fenders and
absolutely no braking problems. (That's not counting the direct pull or
"v-brake" bikes.)

Our tandem has low profile SunTour XC cantis with grey Kool Stop shoes.
That setup works fine for stopping almost 300 pounds of riders plus
almost 50 pounds of bike.

What problems are you having?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 7/20/2022 10:32 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 7/20/2022 9:24 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 7/20/2022 8:55 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 7/19/2022 7:17 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, Frank
>>>>> Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/19/2022 4:51 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/19/2022 2:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/19/2022 3:12 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I am seriously looking into a new disk road bike. I
>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>> one with Shimano 105 not Sram. I have thought about
>>>>>>>>> Lynskey ( no shimano at this time.) I like Ti but maybe
>>>>>>>>> for a better price CF is the better option. I do not
>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>> a Trek, or a Specialized for sure. Generally they do
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> have BSA thread BB. I could go Habanero.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So what do you recommend in my search. I could even go
>>>>>>>>> steel but even more unsure about how many steel
>>>>>>>>> bikes are
>>>>>>>>> really available. I also want hydraulic braking. I
>>>>>>>>> checked
>>>>>>>>> Canyon and they do not have BSA threaded BB.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, have I put too much in the quest on the thread
>>>>>>>>> BB.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe in the end a press fit is fine. My major concern
>>>>>>>>> about them is just they can be more finicky and require
>>>>>>>>> more maintenance. In my case my thread BB never have
>>>>>>>>> required any maintenance and I getting close to
>>>>>>>>> 40,000 on
>>>>>>>>> the Habby I have now spins like a top.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I take any suggestions maybe Andrew has things I don't
>>>>>>>>> know about. One thing is I sure don't want to pay
>>>>>>>>> what I
>>>>>>>>> have seen for some of the Ti's that run well over
>>>>>>>>> $4500. I
>>>>>>>>> trying to keep this in the $3000 ballpark I could
>>>>>>>>> fork out
>>>>>>>>> more for the right bike.
>>>>>>>>> Deacon Mark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ... and marketing claims another victim!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could be, but you don't know that.
>>>>>>> He may just like the cleaner looks of a road disc bike.
>>>>>> He could speak to that point. But of the people I know
>>>>>> who have bought
>>>>>> disc brake bikes in the past several years, not one of
>>>>>> them has
>>>>>> mentioned "cleaner looks" as a motivation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some have just said, like Mark, "I want a bike with
>>>>>> discs." Some,
>>>>>> afterward, have said "Well, they stop better" but had
>>>>>> never mentioned
>>>>>> any stopping problems beforehand. They've certainly
>>>>>> never had stopping
>>>>>> problems when I've ridden with them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>> I have a Habanero TI road bike it is fantastic I just
>>>>> was wanting a disk
>>>>> bike I could ride and go with 30mm tires for a change of
>>>>> pace.
>>>>
>>>> So what you really want is a titanium bike that accepts
>>>> 30mm tires, not
>>>> necessarily a disc brake bike.
>>>>
>>>> You've posted descriptions of your terrain and riding
>>>> style. Nothing
>>>> you've mentioned has called for discs.
>>>>
>>>> I currently have 28mm tires on my touring bike, but have
>>>> fitted as fat
>>>> as 37 in the past. Five other bikes have 32mm or wider.
>>>> None of my bikes
>>>> have disc brakes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That is one of the advantages of disks that road bike
>>> frames will accept
>>> wider tyres.
>>
>> I just measured a bunch of tires mounted on our bikes. 28mm,
>> 32mm, 37mm, 40mm, 48mm. No disc brakes.
>>
>>> Ignoring braking just having wider tyres on  normal roads
>>> is a far more
>>> relaxed ride.
>>
>> Not many years ago, I was saying here that close clearance
>> frames limiting tire width to 25mm made no sense. Posters
>> here vigorously defended the manufacturers of those bikes,
>> saying "... aerodynamics!..." or "... stiffness!..." or
>> other nonsense.
>>
>> Now people are defending the manufacturers who say "You must
>> have discs so you can mount wide enough tires."
>>
>> Ah, fashion!
>>
>
> I own and ride both very short (<1m) tight clearance frames and longer
> slacker machines with mudguards etc.  They are very different in
> handling, response and road feel. Neither is better; I like both for
> different reasons, different rides, different days. Nothing wrong with
> choice IMHO.

One of my main objections to then-fashionable close clearance frames was
the fact that they _restricted_ choice. When a person bought one, they
eliminated the option of installing tires wider than 28mm, and sometimes
limited choice to 25mm or less.

I suppose a purchaser might say "It's my choice to restrict my choices."
But it never made practical sense.

--
- Frank Krygowski