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 by: Tom Kunich - Thu, 21 Jul 2022 17:48 UTC

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/

I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.

The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.

Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.

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 by: Sepp Ruf - Thu, 21 Jul 2022 20:29 UTC

Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
>
>>
> I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich
> intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too
> many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe
> that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women
> that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were
> stupid and do not deserve children.
>
> The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis
> which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the
> population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough
> lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival
> for them.
>
> Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is
> putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown
> that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their
> very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.

Medium IQ will claim victory successfully attacking you for your rotten
source. Higher IQ knows whom to ask to gain access to a real copy of
the edition in question. High IQ owns the book signed by the author,
and is still alive -- Andre might have met some in 20th century Paris.

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 by: Tom Kunich - Thu, 21 Jul 2022 20:55 UTC

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 1:29:31 PM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
> >
> >>
> > I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich
> > intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too
> > many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe
> > that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women
> > that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were
> > stupid and do not deserve children.
> >
> > The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis
> > which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the
> > population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough
> > lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival
> > for them.
> >
> > Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is
> > putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown
> > that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their
> > very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
> Medium IQ will claim victory successfully attacking you for your rotten
> source. Higher IQ knows whom to ask to gain access to a real copy of
> the edition in question. High IQ owns the book signed by the author,
> and is still alive -- Andre might have met some in 20th century Paris.

I suppose you could claim that an entire movement cannot be accurately expressed by citing one book on the subject. But I have personally met people who have claimed repeatedly that the world has too many people and some way had to be found to reduce the population. While only being a single example (mine) it was from several sources. I worked my entire life in mostly medical and laboratory science to STOP or at least slow the deaths of people and to ease their suffering while they were here. I never met one person in the medical or support areas that would have said that there are too many people in the world.

Stabilizing the world's population is in fact pretty simple - the richer you make people the less they feel the need to reproduce to protect themselves in their older ages. Using this position, increasing the use of energy to make each person in the world richer would quite rapidly reduce population growth. So why are the present world governments moving in quite the opposite direction?

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 by: Andre Jute - Thu, 21 Jul 2022 22:16 UTC

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 9:55:17 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Stabilizing the world's population is in fact pretty simple - the richer you make people the less they feel the need to reproduce to protect themselves in their older ages. Using this position, increasing the use of energy to make each person in the world richer would quite rapidly reduce population growth. So why are the present world governments moving in quite the opposite direction?
>
This is first class advice if you believe there are too many people. Since energy and consumption of its products are the baseline input on both the micro and macro levels of economics, and it is universally observable that (with a lag of two generations or less) increased prosperity lowers population increase by natural fertility, the advice follows naturally from the mouth of almost every economist. The problem is that the West has been so successful in following this advice, we have now voluntarily reached a stage where fertility is in it's so-called low-low stage (a reproductive rate per couple of 1.4-1.6 children) from which no nation has ever recovered to a stable population (2.1 children per family). Many nations in the EU and elsewhere are already in a bottomless population decline, and the only reason they're not panicking yet is that instead they're panicking over how they will provide for a nation in which 40-60 per cent of the population consists of geriatric pensioners who will live longer than any other cohort in the history of the world.
>
Two side issues are worth mentioning. a) Everyone with eyes can see that idiotic attempts to replace young workers with unskilled "refugees" from the Near East and North Africa are giving the EU and Britain away to militant Islam. The Chinese rolling genocide of its Muslims won't prevent the disaster in the previous paragraph overtaking them; they will not become evenly rich before they become too old to work and innovate; they've had their shot at it, and missed, and the writing is on the wall for those not so politically correct that they won't speaks of it. Japan, which has strict race-based immigration policies is already in decline. The other side issue is that in the best models Latin America is a generation away from being wealthy, and with present political arrangements further, and the shortest timespan foreseeable for Africa is two generations. Meanwhile those unschooled and unskilled poor masses will grow. Maybe they will inherit the earth that once belonged to the Europeans, the Americans and latterly the Japanese, Koreans and Taiwanese. The Muslims, in the short and the medium term will be immensely destructive, because their religion has no constructive elements, but in the long term Black and Latino demographic will roll over them too.
>
Empires in genteel decline, such as those we're living in, are probably the most comfortable to live in, with more than enough food (we waste about 40% of all food we produce), highly refined infrastructures and cultures, with vast attention to entertainment at all levels. Check life expectancy at birth to get a handy single facet of our lives which can be an analogy for our ease.
>
Do not be misled by the elegant narrative style of the best economists: these are rules of nature, in particular human nature; economics is the study of the human animal in action.
>
I've never believed there were too many people. That's a separate matter though from observing that the outcomes of various human groups, and within them, are highly varied and concluding that the most beneficial people are wrongly distributed. The current Western pickle is the direct result of the perverse policies of the left and of feminists.
>
Andre Jute
My economic specialty is demographics, the science of populations. My psychology specialty is mass motivation. At their conjunction lies the cutting edge of tomorrow's world.
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 by: Frank Krygowski - Thu, 21 Jul 2022 22:50 UTC

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 1:39:23 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/

What happened to Tom's promise that he would address only bicycling related topics?

So little self control!

- Frank Krygowski

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 by: Tom Kunich - Thu, 21 Jul 2022 23:23 UTC

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:17:00 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 9:55:17 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Stabilizing the world's population is in fact pretty simple - the richer you make people the less they feel the need to reproduce to protect themselves in their older ages. Using this position, increasing the use of energy to make each person in the world richer would quite rapidly reduce population growth. So why are the present world governments moving in quite the opposite direction?
> >
> This is first class advice if you believe there are too many people. Since energy and consumption of its products are the baseline input on both the micro and macro levels of economics, and it is universally observable that (with a lag of two generations or less) increased prosperity lowers population increase by natural fertility, the advice follows naturally from the mouth of almost every economist. The problem is that the West has been so successful in following this advice, we have now voluntarily reached a stage where fertility is in it's so-called low-low stage (a reproductive rate per couple of 1.4-1.6 children) from which no nation has ever recovered to a stable population (2.1 children per family). Many nations in the EU and elsewhere are already in a bottomless population decline, and the only reason they're not panicking yet is that instead they're panicking over how they will provide for a nation in which 40-60 per cent of the population consists of geriatric pensioners who will live longer than any other cohort in the history of the world.
> >
> Two side issues are worth mentioning. a) Everyone with eyes can see that idiotic attempts to replace young workers with unskilled "refugees" from the Near East and North Africa are giving the EU and Britain away to militant Islam. The Chinese rolling genocide of its Muslims won't prevent the disaster in the previous paragraph overtaking them; they will not become evenly rich before they become too old to work and innovate; they've had their shot at it, and missed, and the writing is on the wall for those not so politically correct that they won't speaks of it. Japan, which has strict race-based immigration policies is already in decline. The other side issue is that in the best models Latin America is a generation away from being wealthy, and with present political arrangements further, and the shortest timespan foreseeable for Africa is two generations. Meanwhile those unschooled and unskilled poor masses will grow. Maybe they will inherit the earth that once belonged to the Europeans, the Americans and latterly the Japanese, Koreans and Taiwanese. The Muslims, in the short and the medium term will be immensely destructive, because their religion has no constructive elements, but in the long term Black and Latino demographic will roll over them too.
> >
> Empires in genteel decline, such as those we're living in, are probably the most comfortable to live in, with more than enough food (we waste about 40% of all food we produce), highly refined infrastructures and cultures, with vast attention to entertainment at all levels. Check life expectancy at birth to get a handy single facet of our lives which can be an analogy for our ease.
> >
> Do not be misled by the elegant narrative style of the best economists: these are rules of nature, in particular human nature; economics is the study of the human animal in action.
> >
> I've never believed there were too many people. That's a separate matter though from observing that the outcomes of various human groups, and within them, are highly varied and concluding that the most beneficial people are wrongly distributed. The current Western pickle is the direct result of the perverse policies of the left and of feminists.
> >
> Andre Jute
> My economic specialty is demographics, the science of populations. My psychology specialty is mass motivation. At their conjunction lies the cutting edge of tomorrow's world.
> >

We agree up to a point. Venezuela, Peru and the central American countries were ALL but one generation from widespread wealth but they threw it away by believing that they could be rich without working for it. Now they are all poor and losers.

People in Africa who are far more willing to work become quite successful under the Free Enterprise system without government holding a bootheel over their necks via taxation. As Reagan said, nothing should frighten you more than the words "We're from the government and we're here to help."

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On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
>
>I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
>
>The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
>
>Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.

Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
ever post on this site!

"a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
with the Earth is too many people."

Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.

Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?

Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?

Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
Microsoft?

Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
Internet!

--
Cheers,

John B.

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On 7/21/2022 7:24 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
>>
>> I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
>>
>> The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
>>
>> Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
>
> Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
> go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
> ever post on this site!
>
> "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
> with the Earth is too many people."
>
> Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
>
> Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
> really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
> decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
>
> Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
>
> Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> Microsoft?
>
> Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
> Internet!
>

I'm probably among the lowest earning and smallest asset
participants here. But I've learned to live within my means,
I sleep well and I owe no man anything.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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 by: Andre Jute - Fri, 22 Jul 2022 04:29 UTC

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 9:29:31 PM UTC+1, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
> >
> >>
> > I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich
> > intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too
> > many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe
> > that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women
> > that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were
> > stupid and do not deserve children.
> >
> > The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis
> > which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the
> > population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough
> > lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival
> > for them.
> >
> > Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is
> > putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown
> > that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their
> > very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
> Medium IQ will claim victory successfully attacking you for your rotten
> source. Higher IQ knows whom to ask to gain access to a real copy of
> the edition in question. High IQ owns the book signed by the author,
> and is still alive -- Andre might have met some in 20th century Paris.
>
If you mean clowns like J-P Sartre or Derrida, they were third carbons of second-rate Germans. They might have fucked the French mind but the French have ceased to matter. I saw Sartre on a few occasions and was once at a large dinner where he was also a guest, but I wasn't impressed enough to arrange an introduction. I met Derrida. I quipped about him that Derrida was the perfect reason to go into business rather than academe, and some people, French and German grad students, walked out of the room. "Fucking Baader-Meinhofs," a drunken British professor muttered about them to me.

The greatest damage to the West was done by a German Marxist working in the States to whom the befuddlement of the American mind in the last six decades can be directly traced, including everything that followed from it, especially the self-indulgent relativism and self-entitlement so disastrously spread by the American education system and now virtually ineradicable in American thought on any subject, and thus on politics and governance. His name was Herbert Marcuse. Slow Johnny will be along shortly (sorry, pun not intended) with a link to Marcuse's life and times, but I'm pretty sure you know who he was.

I interviewed Marcuse at the peak of his form. He'd been told the apartheid government in South Africa had twice exiled me, so he naturally assumed I was a left-winger who had come to do a soft-soap shuffle with him, all easy questions and admiration. The first thing he said after the greeting and seating phase of our meeting was, "So few young men have the good taste to go to the right tailor. Huntsman, is it not? My own tailor." University professors are perfectly reasonably paid if they live well but not extravagantly. But they're not paid Savile Row money. He was wearing half a year's salary on his back. To me, by contrast, it was a drop in the bucket if I had to pay for it myself, but I charged my tailor and haberdasher and bookmaker's bills to my expense account, which was many multiples of his salary. -- This is a Marxist? -- I wondered. We were eating in the restaurant of the Pierre, where the agency kept an apartment for me to sleep in if on any of 61 nights pa that I stayed in the US I didn't feel like driving to the houses in Connecticut or Long Island. I ordered what he ordered, an unsubtle form of flattery, then said, "You order wine for us," the perfect courtier sitting at the feet of the master. Instead of taking the wine list the sommelier offered, he ordered three excellent premier cru, probably the same as I would have ordered. Some Marxist! The wine alone was probably eight hundred dollars, back then roundabout the income of an average family for a week. How does a Marxist even know about such wines? After desert, he reached across the table and without asking took my cigar case from its inside pocket where my jacket swung open, and helped himself to a cigar from the case. I passed him my clipper, which he turned over to look for a maker's mark (his only slip; there wasn't one, it was custom-carved from a block of gold by a girlfriend), and my lighter which he identified as a Dunhill (an expensive piece of jewellery made by a client of an ad agency where I'd been an intern) even upside down. My cigars of course didn't have tubes or bands or even a cellophane sheath -- they were custom-made in Cuba, where my Isle of Man registered plane landed without paperwork twice a year to pick them up. Marcuse drew on the cigar with deep satisfaction while I cut and lit one for myself. "Romeo y Julieta" he identified this rare and wonderful unmarked cigar, absolutely correctly. "Banned in the United States, of course." -- Gotcha! -- I thought and turned up the charm another couple of notches. "But let's keep it nash," I murmured. Nash is Russian policy-level intelligence slang, common meaning "ours", intended meaning members of the Party, insiders, with us. He chuckled richly. The man was a fraud on a monumental scale. A Marxist, my arse.
>
The publisher whose editor-in-chief had commissioned the piece invited me to his office and gave me a glass of 75 year-old brandy made by a cousin (don't know our relationship's nth degree because the aunt who kept track of the family whom I'd ask these things died at near enough a 100 in the last year; the reason for the kid-gloves treatment not usually given to writers was that if he pissed me off I could withhold tens of millions of advertising revenue from the publications in his group). They intended to pay me in full and give me a bonus, he explained, but they had no intention of publishing the article, and not for the normal reason, that their lawyers fear a libel suit, though the article was, as I no doubt knew, very definitely libellous. "No," he said. "We're not publishing it because it is too well written to piss up against the wall all in one splurge. We want to keep it and mine it for nuggets every time we straighten out that pinko. Your article will provide the strong backbone for our researchers and writers." So for years I saw my words as pull quotes on other peoples articles every time they put the boot into Marcuse. I don't know if that was the right choice -- one of my agents was absolutely convinced it was because "you win this sort of thing bit by bit, not signalling all your punches at once", and Norman Mailer told me they paid nobody else as much, even without the bonus. But for being agreeable, many years later a design house I was connected with won the contract to redesign all the publications in the group, which was a big deal.
>
It may look now like Marcuse won, but appearances are deceptive. I think the far-left thought they'd won permanently, always a mistake in any real- or near-democracy, and let all their extreme policies hang out at once, Biden's foolish actions was the straw that weighed a ton, all of which will keep the left out of power for several years or perhaps a decade.
>
Andre Jute
Nothing is ever permanent. The only guarantee is change.
>

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 by: Andre Jute - Fri, 22 Jul 2022 07:58 UTC

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:24:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
> >
> >I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people.. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
> >
> >The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
> >
> >Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
> Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
> go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
> ever post on this site!
> "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
> with the Earth is too many people."
> Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
>
> Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
> really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
> decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
>
> Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
>
> Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> Microsoft?
>
> Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
> Internet!
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.
>
I agree with Tom, Slow Johnny. Your IQ is shorter than your really short ass in inches and this post is another demonstration of it.
>
First you agree with Tom:
>
> Well, O.K.,
>
and then you stupidly try to put words in his mouth:
>
but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
>
Nope, you're blowing smoke over apples and oranges, Little Man.
>
Mr Muzi has already shot down your shoddy logic, not to mention your impertinence.
>
Not content with making an asshole of yourself, yet again, by you transparent lies, you get so giddy, we can hear you salivating as you extend your non-sequitur of what Tom never said but for which you demand to decry him anyway.
>
> Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> decrease their customer base?
>
Show us where Tom said anything about the Ford Motor Company, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
>
>Or Microsoft, for that matter?
Show us where Tom said anything about the Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
>
> Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> Microsoft?
>
> Show us where Tom said anything about investors in Ford or Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
>
You're a shortass with a shorter brain, Slow Johnny, and as a "fact checker" in your second childhood, you're a transparent scumbag of a wannabe schoolyard bully.
>
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 by: Tom Kunich - Fri, 22 Jul 2022 20:38 UTC

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 5:24:52 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
> >
> >I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people.. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
> >
> >The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
> >
> >Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
> Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
> go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
> ever post on this site!
> "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
> with the Earth is too many people."
> Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
>
> Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
> really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
> decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
>
> Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
>
> Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> Microsoft?
>
> Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
> Internet!
>
> --
> Cheers,

Too bad you thought you had a handle on this subject and failed to use even the poor source of intelligence at your disposal you ignorant freak. Caucasians in the US and European countries are already below replacement levels.. Asians that are American citizens are approaching that rapidly. American blacks have already gone from 13% of the population to 7% after being convinced that they are nothing. Somebody as stupid as you no doubt believe Ford wants this. That's why car sales have been in the toilet for years and the only way they've managed to stay in business is selling big, expensive trucks. On your best day you make Biden look normal.

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 by: Tom Kunich - Fri, 22 Jul 2022 20:40 UTC

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 12:58:46 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:24:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
> > >
> > >I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
> > >
> > >The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
> > >
> > >Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
> > Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
> > go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
> > ever post on this site!
> > "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
> > with the Earth is too many people."
> > Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
> >
> > Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
> > really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
> > decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
> >
> > Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> > decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
> >
> > Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> > Microsoft?
> >
> > Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
> > Internet!
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John B.
> >
> I agree with Tom, Slow Johnny. Your IQ is shorter than your really short ass in inches and this post is another demonstration of it.
> >
> First you agree with Tom:
> >
> > Well, O.K.,
> >
> and then you stupidly try to put words in his mouth:
> >
> but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
> >
> Nope, you're blowing smoke over apples and oranges, Little Man.
> >
> Mr Muzi has already shot down your shoddy logic, not to mention your impertinence.
> >
> Not content with making an asshole of yourself, yet again, by you transparent lies, you get so giddy, we can hear you salivating as you extend your non-sequitur of what Tom never said but for which you demand to decry him anyway.
> >
> > Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> > decrease their customer base?
> >
> Show us where Tom said anything about the Ford Motor Company, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> >
> >Or Microsoft, for that matter?
> Show us where Tom said anything about the Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> >
> > Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> > Microsoft?
> >
> > Show us where Tom said anything about investors in Ford or Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> >
> You're a shortass with a shorter brain, Slow Johnny, and as a "fact checker" in your second childhood, you're a transparent scumbag of a wannabe schoolyard bully.
> >
> This message is authorised by Andre Jute
> "Hear the school bullies crackle underfoot. This one is so undersized, he only emits a pipsqueak."
It is like watching Biden in Japan shaking hands with thin air.

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On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:38:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 5:24:52 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
>> >
>> >I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
>> >
>> >The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
>> >
>> >Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
>> Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
>> go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
>> ever post on this site!
>> "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
>> with the Earth is too many people."
>> Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
>>
>> Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
>> really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
>> decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
>>
>> Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
>> decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
>>
>> Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
>> Microsoft?
>>
>> Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
>> Internet!
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>
>Too bad you thought you had a handle on this subject and failed to use even the poor source of intelligence at your disposal you ignorant freak. Caucasians in the US and European countries are already below replacement levels. Asians that are American citizens are approaching that rapidly. American blacks have already gone from 13% of the population to 7% after being convinced that they are nothing. Somebody as stupid as you no doubt believe Ford wants this. That's why car sales have been in the toilet for years and the only way they've managed to stay in business is selling big, expensive trucks. On your best day you make Biden look normal.

Tommy, tell us. are you a fool or just a simple liar?

The Caucasian population of the U.S. is about 61%. The Black
population is about 12.4%,

But cheer up Tommy, it seems that about 40% of the population is
comprised of fools and ignominiousness so you are "right at home" here
in the U.S.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-humanity-naturally/202010/are-americans-just-stupid
--
Cheers,

John B.

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 by: russellseaton1@yahoo - Sat, 23 Jul 2022 00:28 UTC

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 6:00:59 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:38:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 5:24:52 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
> >> >
> >> >I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
> >> >
> >> >The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
> >> >
> >> >Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
> >> Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
> >> go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
> >> ever post on this site!
> >> "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
> >> with the Earth is too many people."
> >> Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
> >>
> >> Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
> >> really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
> >> decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
> >>
> >> Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> >> decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
> >>
> >> Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> >> Microsoft?
> >>
> >> Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
> >> Internet!
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >
> >Too bad you thought you had a handle on this subject and failed to use even the poor source of intelligence at your disposal you ignorant freak. Caucasians in the US and European countries are already below replacement levels. Asians that are American citizens are approaching that rapidly. American blacks have already gone from 13% of the population to 7% after being convinced that they are nothing. Somebody as stupid as you no doubt believe Ford wants this. That's why car sales have been in the toilet for years and the only way they've managed to stay in business is selling big, expensive trucks. On your best day you make Biden look normal.
> Tommy, tell us. are you a fool or just a simple liar?
>

Ooooh Oooooh Ooooooh. I want to be the first to guess.
Both!

> The Caucasian population of the U.S. is about 61%. The Black
> population is about 12.4%,
>
> But cheer up Tommy, it seems that about 40% of the population is
> comprised of fools and ignominiousness so you are "right at home" here
> in the U.S.
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-humanity-naturally/202010/are-americans-just-stupid
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

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On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 17:28:14 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 6:00:59 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:38:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 5:24:52 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
>> >> >
>> >> >I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
>> >> >
>> >> >The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
>> >> >
>> >> >Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
>> >> Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
>> >> go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
>> >> ever post on this site!
>> >> "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
>> >> with the Earth is too many people."
>> >> Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
>> >>
>> >> Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
>> >> really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
>> >> decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
>> >>
>> >> Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
>> >> decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
>> >>
>> >> Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
>> >> Microsoft?
>> >>
>> >> Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
>> >> Internet!
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers,
>> >
>> >Too bad you thought you had a handle on this subject and failed to use even the poor source of intelligence at your disposal you ignorant freak. Caucasians in the US and European countries are already below replacement levels. Asians that are American citizens are approaching that rapidly. American blacks have already gone from 13% of the population to 7% after being convinced that they are nothing. Somebody as stupid as you no doubt believe Ford wants this. That's why car sales have been in the toilet for years and the only way they've managed to stay in business is selling big, expensive trucks. On your best day you make Biden look normal.
>> Tommy, tell us. are you a fool or just a simple liar?
>>
>
>Ooooh Oooooh Ooooooh. I want to be the first to guess.
>Both!
>
Perhaps, with Jeff's help, we can define a new category consisting of
a foolish lie, or perhaps a stupid lie.

We could name it "a Tommy" (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

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On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 07:46:52 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
(chomp)
>Perhaps, with Jeff's help, we can define a new category consisting of
>a foolish lie, or perhaps a stupid lie.
>
>We could name it "a Tommy" (:-)

Glad to help. With a list of types of lies, I don't need to provide
details and simply provide the number. I did some Googling and found
various lists for types of lies. They varied from 3 to 12 lies.
Here's a list with 12 types, many of which sound very familiar:

"12 Types of Lies and Deceptions"
<https://annsilvers.com/blogs/news/how-do-they-lie-let-me-count-the-ways>

1. Pretending they are someone they are not
They weave stories that present themselves as someone very different
than reality in order to hook the listener or hide their true self.

2. Creating a cover story
They present a story about their whereabouts/actions or someone elseÂ’s
actions with the goal of preempting doubts or concerns someone may
have about them.

3. "Me thinks thou doth protest too much"
They go out of their way to talk about how abhorrent a particular
behavior is while they are secretly doing that same thing.

4. Burying the lead
They disclose that they have done something not-good but itÂ’s said
quietly, when the hearer is distracted, or buried in amongst other
information; then they can safely assume the person wonÂ’t hear it, but
they can say they said it.

5. Telling half-truths
They say things that are partially true with flair and a twist,
leading the hearer to draw conclusions that arenÂ’t true.

6. Diverting
They change the subject when someone is honing in on something they
donÂ’t want them to know.

7. Minimizing
They minimize their wrongdoing to make it seem less important or "bad"
than it really is, and/or they minimize someone else's accomplishments
and attributes to make the other person seem less "good."

8. Exaggerating
They exaggerate their accomplishments, contributions, abilities . . .,
and/or they exaggerate another person's shortcomings.

9. Denying the truth
They claim that that which is true - is false.
This is a form of gaslighting.

10. Withholding information
They lie by omission rather than commission.

11. Selective memory
They claim that conversations or events that happened didnÂ’t happen.

12. Straight-up lying
As one woman described her husband: "If his lips are moving, heÂ’s
lying."

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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 by: russellseaton1@yahoo - Sat, 23 Jul 2022 04:27 UTC

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 10:08:37 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 07:46:52 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> (chomp)
> >Perhaps, with Jeff's help, we can define a new category consisting of
> >a foolish lie, or perhaps a stupid lie.
> >
> >We could name it "a Tommy" (:-)
> Glad to help. With a list of types of lies, I don't need to provide
> details and simply provide the number. I did some Googling and found
> various lists for types of lies. They varied from 3 to 12 lies.
> Here's a list with 12 types, many of which sound very familiar:

For fun, lets apply this to Tommy.

>
> "12 Types of Lies and Deceptions"
> <https://annsilvers.com/blogs/news/how-do-they-lie-let-me-count-the-ways>
>
> 1. Pretending they are someone they are not
> They weave stories that present themselves as someone very different
> than reality in order to hook the listener or hide their true self.

Tommy pretends to be an engineer. And a weather scientist, meteorologist. And a yacht ship captain. And many more things I can't even think of.

>
> 2. Creating a cover story
> They present a story about their whereabouts/actions or someone else’s
> actions with the goal of preempting doubts or concerns someone may
> have about them.

This may not be correct. But I'm going to use Tommy's story of the Mexican roofers stealing his bike from his shed in the backyard. He saw them up there and knew they were watching him. Plotting and scheming to steal his valuable bikes.

>
> 3. "Me thinks thou doth protest too much"
> They go out of their way to talk about how abhorrent a particular
> behavior is while they are secretly doing that same thing.

I think Tommy's nonstop lies about everything on earth while at the same time saying everyone else is telling lies and making up stuff about him qualifies.

>
> 4. Burying the lead
> They disclose that they have done something not-good but it’s said
> quietly, when the hearer is distracted, or buried in amongst other
> information; then they can safely assume the person won’t hear it, but
> they can say they said it.

This one does not apply to Tommy. He has never ever done something not-good. Everything Tommy does is spectacular and grand and amazing. Just listen, he will tell you.

>
> 5. Telling half-truths
> They say things that are partially true with flair and a twist,
> leading the hearer to draw conclusions that aren’t true.

I think Tommy's living arrangements apply here. He told us he was living in his momma's basement. Then he told us he bought her the house. Then Jeff I think looked it up and saw the title never changed hands or something to cast doubt on Tommy's lies. And throw in Tommy telling us all he paid for his momma's surgery and medical care.

>
> 6. Diverting
> They change the subject when someone is honing in on something they
> don’t want them to know.

No response. The computers of the world would run out of storage space if I tried to write all the times Tommy has changed the subject in posts.

>
> 7. Minimizing
> They minimize their wrongdoing to make it seem less important or "bad"
> than it really is, and/or they minimize someone else's accomplishments
> and attributes to make the other person seem less "good."

Tommy is always saying John never served in the Air Force and he did. Or saying John was never in charge of anything. Or never served at SAC. Something like that. That is just one example. There are many others too.

>
> 8. Exaggerating
> They exaggerate their accomplishments, contributions, abilities . . .,
> and/or they exaggerate another person's shortcomings.

Oh my!!!!!!! I'm lost to where to even begin. Tommy exaggerates everything!!!!!

>
> 9. Denying the truth
> They claim that that which is true - is false.
> This is a form of gaslighting.

Covid and the CDC apply here. Tommy says nobody died from Covid. And respiratory illnesses and such are the same as shown by the CDC. And vaccines kill everyone.

>
> 10. Withholding information
> They lie by omission rather than commission.

I'm going to put Tommy's high school diploma, dropout, GED, whatever in here. Dropout? Flunk out? Kicked out? Left early to join the Air Force? GED? No GED? High school diploma because his picture is in the yearbook? Who knows. I think he has said or alluded to everyone of these or against everyone multiple times.

>
> 11. Selective memory
> They claim that conversations or events that happened didn’t happen.

Tommy does have the habit of distorting and/or forgetting what everyone else actually wrote. And everyone is always questioning Tommy's memory. Heck, even Tommy questions his own memory after falling down.

>
> 12. Straight-up lying
> As one woman described her husband: "If his lips are moving, he’s
> lying."

This is the ongoing debate right now. Tommy is a liar. But does he lie out of default? Or is he scheming and plotting to use his lies for some purpose? Or as Jeff pointed out several times, Tommy lies about things that are irrelevant. Such as which direction he rode yesterday. Or what the temperature was on the ride yesterday. Or what time he rode yesterday.

>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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 by: Tom Kunich - Sat, 23 Jul 2022 23:12 UTC

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-7, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 12:58:46 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:24:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
> > > On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
> > > >
> > > >I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
> > > >
> > > >The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
> > > >
> > > >Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
> > > Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
> > > go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
> > > ever post on this site!
> > > "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
> > > with the Earth is too many people."
> > > Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
> > >
> > > Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
> > > really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
> > > decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
> > >
> > > Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> > > decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
> > >
> > > Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> > > Microsoft?
> > >
> > > Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
> > > Internet!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > John B.
> > >
> > I agree with Tom, Slow Johnny. Your IQ is shorter than your really short ass in inches and this post is another demonstration of it.
> > >
> > First you agree with Tom:
> > >
> > > Well, O.K.,
> > >
> > and then you stupidly try to put words in his mouth:
> > >
> > but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
> > >
> > Nope, you're blowing smoke over apples and oranges, Little Man.
> > >
> > Mr Muzi has already shot down your shoddy logic, not to mention your impertinence.
> > >
> > Not content with making an asshole of yourself, yet again, by you transparent lies, you get so giddy, we can hear you salivating as you extend your non-sequitur of what Tom never said but for which you demand to decry him anyway.
> > >
> > > Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> > > decrease their customer base?
> > >
> > Show us where Tom said anything about the Ford Motor Company, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> > >
> > >Or Microsoft, for that matter?
> > Show us where Tom said anything about the Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> > >
> > > Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> > > Microsoft?
> > >
> > > Show us where Tom said anything about investors in Ford or Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> > >
> > You're a shortass with a shorter brain, Slow Johnny, and as a "fact checker" in your second childhood, you're a transparent scumbag of a wannabe schoolyard bully.
> > >
> > This message is authorised by Andre Jute
> > "Hear the school bullies crackle underfoot. This one is so undersized, he only emits a pipsqueak."
> It is like watching Biden in Japan shaking hands with thin air.

I said that the black population had dropped from 14% to 7%. Someone sent me a reference to a Pew study which actually said that it had grown from 10 to 14%. I don't know what game that Pew was playing because all you had to do is SEE what they were calling blacks to realize that they were NOT speaking of American born blacks. This totally misrepresented the case of the American born black. All you had to do was to look at what I said - indeed the European and American Caucasian people are below replacement levels and in some cases dramatically so. Are there more black people now than before? Probably so but they did not originate in the USA and they have not had it screamed in their faces that they are not adequate and THIS from other blacks. People who didn't grow up in the time of the Black Panthers et. al. have no idea what happened then. Foreign born blacks have done very well for themselves. Or at least until the Democrats used voter fraud to gain the Whitehouse. But I would hate to see American blacks from the time of slavery disappear because they are told they aren't worth anything.

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On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 16:12:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-7, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 12:58:46 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:24:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
>> > > On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > >> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
>> > > >
>> > > >I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
>> > > >
>> > > >The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
>> > > >
>> > > >Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
>> > > Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
>> > > go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
>> > > ever post on this site!
>> > > "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
>> > > with the Earth is too many people."
>> > > Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
>> > >
>> > > Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
>> > > really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
>> > > decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
>> > >
>> > > Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
>> > > decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
>> > >
>> > > Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
>> > > Microsoft?
>> > >
>> > > Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
>> > > Internet!
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Cheers,
>> > >
>> > > John B.
>> > >
>> > I agree with Tom, Slow Johnny. Your IQ is shorter than your really short ass in inches and this post is another demonstration of it.
>> > >
>> > First you agree with Tom:
>> > >
>> > > Well, O.K.,
>> > >
>> > and then you stupidly try to put words in his mouth:
>> > >
>> > but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
>> > >
>> > Nope, you're blowing smoke over apples and oranges, Little Man.
>> > >
>> > Mr Muzi has already shot down your shoddy logic, not to mention your impertinence.
>> > >
>> > Not content with making an asshole of yourself, yet again, by you transparent lies, you get so giddy, we can hear you salivating as you extend your non-sequitur of what Tom never said but for which you demand to decry him anyway.
>> > >
>> > > Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
>> > > decrease their customer base?
>> > >
>> > Show us where Tom said anything about the Ford Motor Company, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
>> > >
>> > >Or Microsoft, for that matter?
>> > Show us where Tom said anything about the Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
>> > >
>> > > Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
>> > > Microsoft?
>> > >
>> > > Show us where Tom said anything about investors in Ford or Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
>> > >
>> > You're a shortass with a shorter brain, Slow Johnny, and as a "fact checker" in your second childhood, you're a transparent scumbag of a wannabe schoolyard bully.
>> > >
>> > This message is authorised by Andre Jute
>> > "Hear the school bullies crackle underfoot. This one is so undersized, he only emits a pipsqueak."
>> It is like watching Biden in Japan shaking hands with thin air.
>
>I said that the black population had dropped from 14% to 7%. Someone sent me a reference to a Pew study which actually said that it had grown from 10 to 14%. I don't know what game that Pew was playing because all you had to do is SEE what they were calling blacks to realize that they were NOT speaking of American born blacks. This totally misrepresented the case of the American born black. All you had to do was to look at what I said - indeed the European and American Caucasian people are below replacement levels and in some cases dramatically so. Are there more black people now than before? Probably so but they did not originate in the USA and they have not had it screamed in their faces that they are not adequate and THIS from other blacks. People who didn't grow up in the time of the Black Panthers et. al. have no idea what happened then. Foreign born blacks have done very well for themselves. Or at least until the Democrats used voter fraud to gain the Whitehouse. But I would
>hate to see American blacks from the time of slavery disappear because they are told they aren't worth anything.

The U.S. Census
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120220
states that as of 1 July 2021 has it that some 13.6% of the U.S.
population is Black. White is 75.8% and Hispanic is 18.9%
--
Cheers,

John B.

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On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 1:55:59 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 16:12:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-7, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 12:58:46 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:24:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
> >> > > On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> > > >> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
> >> > > Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
> >> > > go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
> >> > > ever post on this site!
> >> > > "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
> >> > > with the Earth is too many people."
> >> > > Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site..
> >> > >
> >> > > Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
> >> > > really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
> >> > > decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
> >> > >
> >> > > Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> >> > > decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
> >> > >
> >> > > Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> >> > > Microsoft?
> >> > >
> >> > > Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
> >> > > Internet!
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > >
> >> > > John B.
> >> > >
> >> > I agree with Tom, Slow Johnny. Your IQ is shorter than your really short ass in inches and this post is another demonstration of it.
> >> > >
> >> > First you agree with Tom:
> >> > >
> >> > > Well, O.K.,
> >> > >
> >> > and then you stupidly try to put words in his mouth:
> >> > >
> >> > but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
> >> > >
> >> > Nope, you're blowing smoke over apples and oranges, Little Man.
> >> > >
> >> > Mr Muzi has already shot down your shoddy logic, not to mention your impertinence.
> >> > >
> >> > Not content with making an asshole of yourself, yet again, by you transparent lies, you get so giddy, we can hear you salivating as you extend your non-sequitur of what Tom never said but for which you demand to decry him anyway.
> >> > >
> >> > > Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> >> > > decrease their customer base?
> >> > >
> >> > Show us where Tom said anything about the Ford Motor Company, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> >> > >
> >> > >Or Microsoft, for that matter?
> >> > Show us where Tom said anything about the Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> >> > >
> >> > > Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> >> > > Microsoft?
> >> > >
> >> > > Show us where Tom said anything about investors in Ford or Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> >> > >
> >> > You're a shortass with a shorter brain, Slow Johnny, and as a "fact checker" in your second childhood, you're a transparent scumbag of a wannabe schoolyard bully.
> >> > >
> >> > This message is authorised by Andre Jute
> >> > "Hear the school bullies crackle underfoot. This one is so undersized, he only emits a pipsqueak."
> >> It is like watching Biden in Japan shaking hands with thin air.
> >
> >I said that the black population had dropped from 14% to 7%. Someone sent me a reference to a Pew study which actually said that it had grown from 10 to 14%. I don't know what game that Pew was playing because all you had to do is SEE what they were calling blacks to realize that they were NOT speaking of American born blacks. This totally misrepresented the case of the American born black. All you had to do was to look at what I said - indeed the European and American Caucasian people are below replacement levels and in some cases dramatically so. Are there more black people now than before? Probably so but they did not originate in the USA and they have not had it screamed in their faces that they are not adequate and THIS from other blacks. People who didn't grow up in the time of the Black Panthers et. al. have no idea what happened then. Foreign born blacks have done very well for themselves. Or at least until the Democrats used voter fraud to gain the Whitehouse. But I would
> >hate to see American blacks from the time of slavery disappear because they are told they aren't worth anything.
> The U.S. Census
> https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120220
> states that as of 1 July 2021 has it that some 13.6% of the U.S.
> population is Black. White is 75.8% and Hispanic is 18.9%
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.
>
Does the Census you're looking at tell you what percentage of the black population is Americn-born. Slow Johnny? Or are you again spraying out headlines without understanding the underlying data, as you do daily?
>
Andre Jute
Educated and sophisticated people with brains want to know.
>
PS I laugh uncontrollably at some of your misunderstandings. Probably the best of your many outstanding dumb fuckups was the one was when you tried to appear as if you knew everything about Saul Alinsky but clearly didn't know why Alinsky was important to the subject then under discussion by those better informed than you. Has anyone helped you out of your miserable ignorance yet? Meanwhile, thanks for the giggle. Who said a thick kulack can't be a comic butt just because he's a shortass?
>

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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 7:55:59 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 16:12:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-7, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 12:58:46 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:24:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
> >> > > On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> > > >> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
> >> > > Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
> >> > > go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
> >> > > ever post on this site!
> >> > > "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
> >> > > with the Earth is too many people."
> >> > > Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site..
> >> > >
> >> > > Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
> >> > > really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
> >> > > decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
> >> > >
> >> > > Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> >> > > decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
> >> > >
> >> > > Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> >> > > Microsoft?
> >> > >
> >> > > Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
> >> > > Internet!
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > >
> >> > > John B.
> >> > >
> >> > I agree with Tom, Slow Johnny. Your IQ is shorter than your really short ass in inches and this post is another demonstration of it.
> >> > >
> >> > First you agree with Tom:
> >> > >
> >> > > Well, O.K.,
> >> > >
> >> > and then you stupidly try to put words in his mouth:
> >> > >
> >> > but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
> >> > >
> >> > Nope, you're blowing smoke over apples and oranges, Little Man.
> >> > >
> >> > Mr Muzi has already shot down your shoddy logic, not to mention your impertinence.
> >> > >
> >> > Not content with making an asshole of yourself, yet again, by you transparent lies, you get so giddy, we can hear you salivating as you extend your non-sequitur of what Tom never said but for which you demand to decry him anyway.
> >> > >
> >> > > Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> >> > > decrease their customer base?
> >> > >
> >> > Show us where Tom said anything about the Ford Motor Company, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> >> > >
> >> > >Or Microsoft, for that matter?
> >> > Show us where Tom said anything about the Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> >> > >
> >> > > Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> >> > > Microsoft?
> >> > >
> >> > > Show us where Tom said anything about investors in Ford or Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> >> > >
> >> > You're a shortass with a shorter brain, Slow Johnny, and as a "fact checker" in your second childhood, you're a transparent scumbag of a wannabe schoolyard bully.
> >> > >
> >> > This message is authorised by Andre Jute
> >> > "Hear the school bullies crackle underfoot. This one is so undersized, he only emits a pipsqueak."
> >> It is like watching Biden in Japan shaking hands with thin air.
> >
> >I said that the black population had dropped from 14% to 7%. Someone sent me a reference to a Pew study which actually said that it had grown from 10 to 14%. I don't know what game that Pew was playing because all you had to do is SEE what they were calling blacks to realize that they were NOT speaking of American born blacks. This totally misrepresented the case of the American born black. All you had to do was to look at what I said - indeed the European and American Caucasian people are below replacement levels and in some cases dramatically so. Are there more black people now than before? Probably so but they did not originate in the USA and they have not had it screamed in their faces that they are not adequate and THIS from other blacks. People who didn't grow up in the time of the Black Panthers et. al. have no idea what happened then. Foreign born blacks have done very well for themselves. Or at least until the Democrats used voter fraud to gain the Whitehouse. But I would
> >hate to see American blacks from the time of slavery disappear because they are told they aren't worth anything.
> The U.S. Census
> https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120220
> states that as of 1 July 2021 has it that some 13.6% of the U.S.
> population is Black. White is 75.8% and Hispanic is 18.9%
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

Hmmmmm.
75.8+18.9+13.6=108.3
I am not a math major. Although I did take a few math and statistics classes in college to earn my degrees. Unlike Tommy. But I am pretty sure 100% is the maximum total you can get to when adding up percentages. Not 108.3%. So I think John's numbers have a little ambiguity. Looking at John's link, it appears as if the 75.8% for white also includes the 18.9% hispanic. John's link shows whites, not hispanic, as 59.3%.

So the USA population is roughly
white 59.3
hispanic 18.9
black 13.6
asian 6.1
american indians 1.3
Hawaii island 0.3
That totals 99.5%. Pretty close to accurate.

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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 8:10:40 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 1:55:59 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 16:12:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-7, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 12:58:46 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > >> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:24:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
> > >> > > On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > >> > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >> > > >> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
> > >> > > Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
> > >> > > go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
> > >> > > ever post on this site!
> > >> > > "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
> > >> > > with the Earth is too many people."
> > >> > > Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
> > >> > > really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
> > >> > > decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> > >> > > decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> > >> > > Microsoft?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
> > >> > > Internet!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Cheers,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > John B.
> > >> > >
> > >> > I agree with Tom, Slow Johnny. Your IQ is shorter than your really short ass in inches and this post is another demonstration of it.
> > >> > >
> > >> > First you agree with Tom:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Well, O.K.,
> > >> > >
> > >> > and then you stupidly try to put words in his mouth:
> > >> > >
> > >> > but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
> > >> > >
> > >> > Nope, you're blowing smoke over apples and oranges, Little Man.
> > >> > >
> > >> > Mr Muzi has already shot down your shoddy logic, not to mention your impertinence.
> > >> > >
> > >> > Not content with making an asshole of yourself, yet again, by you transparent lies, you get so giddy, we can hear you salivating as you extend your non-sequitur of what Tom never said but for which you demand to decry him anyway.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
> > >> > > decrease their customer base?
> > >> > >
> > >> > Show us where Tom said anything about the Ford Motor Company, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Or Microsoft, for that matter?
> > >> > Show us where Tom said anything about the Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
> > >> > > Microsoft?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Show us where Tom said anything about investors in Ford or Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
> > >> > >
> > >> > You're a shortass with a shorter brain, Slow Johnny, and as a "fact checker" in your second childhood, you're a transparent scumbag of a wannabe schoolyard bully.
> > >> > >
> > >> > This message is authorised by Andre Jute
> > >> > "Hear the school bullies crackle underfoot. This one is so undersized, he only emits a pipsqueak."
> > >> It is like watching Biden in Japan shaking hands with thin air.
> > >
> > >I said that the black population had dropped from 14% to 7%. Someone sent me a reference to a Pew study which actually said that it had grown from 10 to 14%. I don't know what game that Pew was playing because all you had to do is SEE what they were calling blacks to realize that they were NOT speaking of American born blacks. This totally misrepresented the case of the American born black. All you had to do was to look at what I said - indeed the European and American Caucasian people are below replacement levels and in some cases dramatically so. Are there more black people now than before? Probably so but they did not originate in the USA and they have not had it screamed in their faces that they are not adequate and THIS from other blacks. People who didn't grow up in the time of the Black Panthers et. al.. have no idea what happened then. Foreign born blacks have done very well for themselves. Or at least until the Democrats used voter fraud to gain the Whitehouse. But I would
> > >hate to see American blacks from the time of slavery disappear because they are told they aren't worth anything.
> > The U.S. Census
> > https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120220
> > states that as of 1 July 2021 has it that some 13.6% of the U.S.
> > population is Black. White is 75.8% and Hispanic is 18.9%
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John B.
> >
> Does the Census you're looking at tell you what percentage of the black population is Americn-born. Slow Johnny? Or are you again spraying out headlines without understanding the underlying data, as you do daily?
> >
> Andre Jute
> Educated and sophisticated people with brains want to know.
> >
> PS I laugh uncontrollably at some of your misunderstandings. Probably the best of your many outstanding dumb fuckups was the one was when you tried to appear as if you knew everything about Saul Alinsky but clearly didn't know why Alinsky was important to the subject then under discussion by those better informed than you. Has anyone helped you out of your miserable ignorance yet? Meanwhile, thanks for the giggle. Who said a thick kulack can't be a comic butt just because he's a shortass?

People who don't even have the slightest ideas of the problems they are talking about are always shouting the loudest. All you had to do was look at that "study" on black population growth to see that it was FOREIGNERS ENTERING THE COUNTRY that are almost entirely the growth of the black population - that the American born black is being lost. They have been taught that the very people attempting to give a helping hand are out to get them. They can hardly speak clear English. This has become an entirely racial trait. How can you get a job if no one can understand what you're saying? Why is it that when I was a kid that the blacks from "The Projects" (wartime built housing) spoke perfectly clear and concise English. That all of the respectable black people in the neighborhood spoke educated English? Today it is "in" to hide your education, even from the people who are trying to hire you.

Living in bas-akwards Thailand Slocum wants to tell us about America. He stopped being an American a very long time ago. Is he trying to convince himself that he is still an American? How many years do you suppose he has been living in a plutocracy without even knowing what it is?


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On 7/23/2022 6:12 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-7, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 12:58:46 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:24:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
>>>>>
>>>>> I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
>>>>>
>>>>> The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
>>>> Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
>>>> go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
>>>> ever post on this site!
>>>> "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
>>>> with the Earth is too many people."
>>>> Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
>>>> really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
>>>> decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
>>>>
>>>> Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
>>>> decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
>>>>
>>>> Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
>>>> Microsoft?
>>>>
>>>> Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
>>>> Internet!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> John B.
>>>>
>>> I agree with Tom, Slow Johnny. Your IQ is shorter than your really short ass in inches and this post is another demonstration of it.
>>>>
>>> First you agree with Tom:
>>>>
>>>> Well, O.K.,
>>>>
>>> and then you stupidly try to put words in his mouth:
>>>>
>>> but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
>>>>
>>> Nope, you're blowing smoke over apples and oranges, Little Man.
>>>>
>>> Mr Muzi has already shot down your shoddy logic, not to mention your impertinence.
>>>>
>>> Not content with making an asshole of yourself, yet again, by you transparent lies, you get so giddy, we can hear you salivating as you extend your non-sequitur of what Tom never said but for which you demand to decry him anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
>>>> decrease their customer base?
>>>>
>>> Show us where Tom said anything about the Ford Motor Company, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
>>>>
>>>> Or Microsoft, for that matter?
>>> Show us where Tom said anything about the Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
>>>>
>>>> Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
>>>> Microsoft?
>>>>
>>>> Show us where Tom said anything about investors in Ford or Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
>>>>
>>> You're a shortass with a shorter brain, Slow Johnny, and as a "fact checker" in your second childhood, you're a transparent scumbag of a wannabe schoolyard bully.
>>>>
>>> This message is authorised by Andre Jute
>>> "Hear the school bullies crackle underfoot. This one is so undersized, he only emits a pipsqueak."
>> It is like watching Biden in Japan shaking hands with thin air.
>
> I said that the black population had dropped from 14% to 7%. Someone sent me a reference to a Pew study which actually said that it had grown from 10 to 14%. I don't know what game that Pew was playing because all you had to do is SEE what they were calling blacks to realize that they were NOT speaking of American born blacks. This totally misrepresented the case of the American born black. All you had to do was to look at what I said - indeed the European and American Caucasian people are below replacement levels and in some cases dramatically so. Are there more black people now than before? Probably so but they did not originate in the USA and they have not had it screamed in their faces that they are not adequate and THIS from other blacks. People who didn't grow up in the time of the Black Panthers et. al. have no idea what happened then. Foreign born blacks have done very well for themselves. Or at least until the Democrats used voter fraud to gain the Whitehouse. But I woul
d hate to see American blacks from the time of slavery disappear because they are told they aren't worth anything.
>

Criminologists commonly ignore black women and halve the
13~14% to seven or so (black men) when discussing rates. I'm
not making an argument, just reporting on a general trend.
That's how you assumed 7% I think.

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On 7/23/2022 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 16:12:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM UTC-7, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 12:58:46 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:24:52 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:39:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/nenxel/jacques_attali_a_bilderberg_member_who_was_then/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've informed you many times that there was a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem with the Earth is too many people. The abortion issue is part of their making. They believe that low class people should not be allowed to reproduce. That women that would get pregnant without their lives already planned out were stupid and do not deserve children.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The climate "crisis" and the energy "crisis" and the food crisis which is soon to be upon us is all part of the plan to reduce the population so that the rich intellectuals feel that there are enough lower grade people left to do all of the important work of survival for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps I put it too crudely by saying that following these people is putting yourself in bondage. But the stupid six already have shown that they are ready and willing to follow these people into their very graves. Low IQ will always show itself.
>>>>> Tommy boy, you really do "take the cake", don't you. In fact I would
>>>>> go so far as to say that you must be the most stupid individual to
>>>>> ever post on this site!
>>>>> "a large group of the rich intellectuals that believe that the problem
>>>>> with the Earth is too many people."
>>>>> Well, O.K., but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew may well be, in terms of posters here, a wealthy person. Do you
>>>>> really believe that he wants to decrease the population and thus
>>>>> decrease the number of customers who buy his bicycles?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
>>>>> decrease their customer base? Or Microsoft, for that matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
>>>>> Microsoft?
>>>>>
>>>>> Lets hear it, Three Cheers for Tommy, the dumbest dude on the
>>>>> Internet!
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> John B.
>>>>>
>>>> I agree with Tom, Slow Johnny. Your IQ is shorter than your really short ass in inches and this post is another demonstration of it.
>>>>>
>>>> First you agree with Tom:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, O.K.,
>>>>>
>>>> and then you stupidly try to put words in his mouth:
>>>>>
>>>> but lets put it in terms of folks posting on this site.
>>>>>
>>>> Nope, you're blowing smoke over apples and oranges, Little Man.
>>>>>
>>>> Mr Muzi has already shot down your shoddy logic, not to mention your impertinence.
>>>>>
>>>> Not content with making an asshole of yourself, yet again, by you transparent lies, you get so giddy, we can hear you salivating as you extend your non-sequitur of what Tom never said but for which you demand to decry him anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or in a much broader sense, does Ford Motorcar Company want to
>>>>> decrease their customer base?
>>>>>
>>>> Show us where Tom said anything about the Ford Motor Company, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or Microsoft, for that matter?
>>>> Show us where Tom said anything about the Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or in an even broader sense, those who have invested in Ford or
>>>>> Microsoft?
>>>>>
>>>>> Show us where Tom said anything about investors in Ford or Microsoft, or apologise for lying, scumbag.
>>>>>
>>>> You're a shortass with a shorter brain, Slow Johnny, and as a "fact checker" in your second childhood, you're a transparent scumbag of a wannabe schoolyard bully.
>>>>>
>>>> This message is authorised by Andre Jute
>>>> "Hear the school bullies crackle underfoot. This one is so undersized, he only emits a pipsqueak."
>>> It is like watching Biden in Japan shaking hands with thin air.
>>
>> I said that the black population had dropped from 14% to 7%. Someone sent me a reference to a Pew study which actually said that it had grown from 10 to 14%. I don't know what game that Pew was playing because all you had to do is SEE what they were calling blacks to realize that they were NOT speaking of American born blacks. This totally misrepresented the case of the American born black. All you had to do was to look at what I said - indeed the European and American Caucasian people are below replacement levels and in some cases dramatically so. Are there more black people now than before? Probably so but they did not originate in the USA and they have not had it screamed in their faces that they are not adequate and THIS from other blacks. People who didn't grow up in the time of the Black Panthers et. al. have no idea what happened then. Foreign born blacks have done very well for themselves. Or at least until the Democrats used voter fraud to gain the Whitehouse. But I wou
ld
>> hate to see American blacks from the time of slavery disappear because they are told they aren't worth anything.
>
> The U.S. Census
> https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120220
> states that as of 1 July 2021 has it that some 13.6% of the U.S.
> population is Black. White is 75.8% and Hispanic is 18.9%
>

Copy error. Those numbers sum, to 108.3% with no asians.

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