Am 11.06.2021 um 04:09 schrieb Michael Moroney:
> On 6/10/2021 3:14 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 10.06.2021 um 14:12 schrieb Michael Moroney:
>>> On 6/10/2021 2:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>>>> The only way for the material to vanish is therefor into the ground.
>>>
>>> You mean into the 70' of basement levels below the towers.
>>>>
>>>> But there was the PATH-train station and 'The Mall', which was not
>>>> full of rubble.
>>>
>>> Yes, as https://kenfm.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/911nn898.jpg shows,
>>> below the towers collapsed, not below the towers often relatively
>>> undamaged.
>>
>>
>> Look at this video from CBS. It contains several parts, which show how
>> the basement looked like:
>
> Does it show the footprint of the towers? If not, it's irrelevant, as I
> never claimed the entire subbasement area is filled solid with debris,
> nor does https://kenfm.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/911nn898.jpg.
> Please stay on topic.

Well, actually I have never been in New York and - of course - never in
the basement of the former WTC.

Therefore, I had to pass, because I don't know, which particular
structure or shop was exactly below each of the towers.

But certainly other people know.

As this is an off-topic-discussion, anyhow, I would like to redirect you
to the website of Judy Wood, who wrote extensivly about the missing
building materials.

I think, that about a million tons went missing (as a rough estimate).

It looks, as if an exotic space-based weapon was used, which can
transform steel and concrete into dust and nothing.

But that is just a guess.

But in case this assumption is true, it would require a cabal off
extreme stupidity, because such a weapon should have never been used in
a peace time scenario, because now every single power in the world will
try to rebuild such a device.

And sooner or later one will have a success.

And THAT would be extremely dangerous, to say the least.

TH

On 6/12/2021 4:07 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 11.06.2021 um 04:09 schrieb Michael Moroney:
>> On 6/10/2021 3:14 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 10.06.2021 um 14:12 schrieb Michael Moroney:
>>>> On 6/10/2021 2:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>>>>> The only way for the material to vanish is therefor into the ground.
>>>>
>>>> You mean into the 70' of basement levels below the towers.
>>>>>
>>>>> But there was the PATH-train station and 'The Mall', which was not
>>>>> full of rubble.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, as https://kenfm.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/911nn898.jpg shows,
>>>> below the towers collapsed, not below the towers often relatively
>>>> undamaged.
>>>
>>>
>>> Look at this video from CBS. It contains several parts, which show how
>>> the basement looked like:
>>
>> Does it show the footprint of the towers?  If not, it's irrelevant, as I
>> never claimed the entire subbasement area is filled solid with debris,
>> nor does https://kenfm.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/911nn898.jpg.
>> Please stay on topic.
>
> Well, actually I have never been in New York and - of course - never in
> the basement of the former WTC.
>
> Therefore, I had to pass, because I don't know, which particular
> structure or shop was exactly below each of the towers.

Once again, https://kenfm.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/911nn898.jpg
shows the PATH train and tower footprints, and it shows the tower
footprints as collapsed totally and much of the rest of the basement as
not collapsed. Can you not understand a simple diagram?

I was in New York in December 2001. By then they had dug "the pile" down
to street level, so there was plenty more to go. If I recall they held a
ceremonial last debris removed (a large column) around May-June 2002.
>
> But certainly other people know.

And you can see some info from
https://kenfm.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/911nn898.jpg.
>
> As this is an off-topic-discussion, anyhow, I would like to redirect you
> to the website of Judy Wood, who wrote extensivly about the missing
> building materials.

That name sounds familiar, as a total wacko.
>
>
> I think, that about a million tons went missing (as a rough estimate).

They posted a figure of the total amount of debris removed at the end of
removal. I was following the news fairly closely at the time. It
exceeded the mass of the towers by quite a bit. It would be less than
the total mass of the site (other buildings, basements, contents)
partially because much became dust and much burned. Nowhere close to a
million tons missing however.
>
> It looks, as if an exotic space-based weapon was used, which can
> transform steel and concrete into dust and nothing.
>
> But that is just a guess.

And a really stupid guess.
>
> But in case this assumption is true, it would require a cabal off
> extreme stupidity, because such a weapon should have never been used in
> a peace time scenario, because now every single power in the world will
> try to rebuild such a device.
>
> And sooner or later one will have a success.
>
> And THAT would be extremely dangerous, to say the least.

Do you really expect this "cabal [of] extreme stupidity" to be smart
enough to invent such an exotic space-based weapon, and use it for no
apparent purpose, and then fake the data stating most of the expected
mass was removed from the site?

Am 13.06.2021 um 20:17 schrieb Michael Moroney:
....
>>
>> Well, actually I have never been in New York and - of course - never
>> in the basement of the former WTC.
>>
>> Therefore, I had to pass, because I don't know, which particular
>> structure or shop was exactly below each of the towers.
>
> Once again, https://kenfm.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/911nn898.jpg
> shows the PATH train and tower footprints, and it shows the tower
> footprints as collapsed totally and much of the rest of the basement as
> not collapsed. Can you not understand a simple diagram?
>
> I was in New York in December 2001. By then they had dug "the pile" down
> to street level, so there was plenty more to go. If I recall they held a
> ceremonial last debris removed (a large column) around May-June 2002.
>>
>> But certainly other people know.
>
> And you can see some info from
> https://kenfm.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/911nn898.jpg.
>>
>> As this is an off-topic-discussion, anyhow, I would like to redirect
>> you to the website of Judy Wood, who wrote extensivly about the
>> missing building materials.
>
> That name sounds familiar, as a total wacko.

I think, that Judy Wood was quite correct, because I had the same
impression, that there was way too little debris.

She quoted John Hutchison, who apparently invented the so called
'Hutchison effect', which was possibly the foundation of the used device.

This guy is a Canadian inventor and certainly a little strange. But I
have heard about his experiments long ago and tried to find out, how
that worked (before 9/11).

So, I kind of think, that Hutchison was correct, hence Judy Wood, too.

>>
>> I think, that about a million tons went missing (as a rough estimate).
>
> They posted a figure of the total amount of debris removed at the end of
> removal. I was following the news fairly closely at the time. It
> exceeded the mass of the towers by quite a bit. It would be less than
> the total mass of the site (other buildings, basements, contents)
> partially because much became dust and much burned. Nowhere close to a
> million tons missing however.
>>
>> It looks, as if an exotic space-based weapon was used, which can
>> transform steel and concrete into dust and nothing.
>>
>> But that is just a guess.
>
> And a really stupid guess.

The first building destroyed was the costoms office building WTC 6.

That building had a huge hole in the middle, which was more or less empty.

It looked like a spaceship had used a beam like the 'phaser' of the
'Enterprise', which turned the content of the building into dust and
nothing.

The reason to think about a spaceship was, that the hole was vertical
and looked like burned into the building from above.

>> But in case this assumption is true, it would require a cabal off
>> extreme stupidity, because such a weapon should have never been used
>> in a peace time scenario, because now every single power in the world
>> will try to rebuild such a device.
>>
>> And sooner or later one will have a success.
>>
>> And THAT would be extremely dangerous, to say the least.
>
> Do you really expect this "cabal [of] extreme stupidity" to be smart
> enough to invent such an exotic space-based weapon, and use it for no
> apparent purpose, and then fake the data stating most of the expected
> mass was removed from the site?

As usual: the inventors were smart, but the users were stupid.

In this case, the stupidity was so collossal, that most people cannot
comprehend it.

The thing is, that people will never ever give up to search for a
solution to the riddle, how the towers were brought down and who did it.

This is like many other historic events: JFK assasination, Guy Fawkes,
Hitler and Stalin, the pyramids and so forth.

People will not stop digging for a solution and sooner or later someone
will find something.

In case of a weapon, that would dwarf all other weapons, you should be
certain, that everybody would like to have one for his own use.

But then entire categories of existing arms and defense systems become
obsolete and the cards are shouffled again.

Much worse would be the actual use of such beam weapons, because in this
case bunkers, skyscrapers, carriers or entire city could suddenly disappear.

TH

Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
> Am 13.06.2021 um 20:17 schrieb Michael Moroney:
> ...
>>>
>>> Well, actually I have never been in New York and - of course - never
>>> in the basement of the former WTC.
>>>
>>> Therefore, I had to pass, because I don't know, which particular
>>> structure or shop was exactly below each of the towers.
>>
>> Once again, https://kenfm.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/911nn898.jpg
>> shows the PATH train and tower footprints, and it shows the tower
>> footprints as collapsed totally and much of the rest of the basement as
>> not collapsed. Can you not understand a simple diagram?
>>
>> I was in New York in December 2001. By then they had dug "the pile" down
>> to street level, so there was plenty more to go. If I recall they held a
>> ceremonial last debris removed (a large column) around May-June 2002.
>>>
>>> But certainly other people know.
>>
>> And you can see some info from
>> https://kenfm.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/911nn898.jpg.
>>>
>>> As this is an off-topic-discussion, anyhow, I would like to redirect
>>> you to the website of Judy Wood, who wrote extensivly about the
>>> missing building materials.
>>
>> That name sounds familiar, as a total wacko.
>
> I think, that Judy Wood was quite correct, because I had the same
> impression, that there was way too little debris.
>
> She quoted John Hutchison, who apparently invented the so called
> 'Hutchison effect', which was possibly the foundation of the used device.
>
> This guy is a Canadian inventor and certainly a little strange. But I
> have heard about his experiments long ago and tried to find out, how
> that worked (before 9/11).
>
> So, I kind of think, that Hutchison was correct, hence Judy Wood, too.
>
>>>
>>> I think, that about a million tons went missing (as a rough estimate).
>>
>> They posted a figure of the total amount of debris removed at the end of
>> removal. I was following the news fairly closely at the time. It
>> exceeded the mass of the towers by quite a bit. It would be less than
>> the total mass of the site (other buildings, basements, contents)
>> partially because much became dust and much burned. Nowhere close to a
>> million tons missing however.
>>>
>>> It looks, as if an exotic space-based weapon was used, which can
>>> transform steel and concrete into dust and nothing.
>>>
>>> But that is just a guess.
>>
>> And a really stupid guess.
>
>
> The first building destroyed was the costoms office building WTC 6.
>
> That building had a huge hole in the middle, which was more or less empty.
>
> It looked like a spaceship had used a beam like the 'phaser' of the
> 'Enterprise', which turned the content of the building into dust and
> nothing.
>
> The reason to think about a spaceship was, that the hole was vertical
> and looked like burned into the building from above.
>
>>> But in case this assumption is true, it would require a cabal off
>>> extreme stupidity, because such a weapon should have never been used
>>> in a peace time scenario, because now every single power in the world
>>> will try to rebuild such a device.
>>>
>>> And sooner or later one will have a success.
>>>
>>> And THAT would be extremely dangerous, to say the least.
>>
>> Do you really expect this "cabal [of] extreme stupidity" to be smart
>> enough to invent such an exotic space-based weapon, and use it for no
>> apparent purpose, and then fake the data stating most of the expected
>> mass was removed from the site?
>
>
> As usual: the inventors were smart, but the users were stupid.
>
> In this case, the stupidity was so collossal, that most people cannot
> comprehend it.
>

Ah, except those conspiracy nuts who have deep insight.

A key moment for some psychiatric patients is when they realize they are
having a break from reality and start calling it for what it is.

>
> The thing is, that people will never ever give up to search for a
> solution to the riddle, how the towers were brought down and who did it.
>
> This is like many other historic events: JFK assasination, Guy Fawkes,
> Hitler and Stalin, the pyramids and so forth.
>
> People will not stop digging for a solution and sooner or later someone
> will find something.
>
> In case of a weapon, that would dwarf all other weapons, you should be
> certain, that everybody would like to have one for his own use.
>
>
> But then entire categories of existing arms and defense systems become
> obsolete and the cards are shouffled again.
>
> Much worse would be the actual use of such beam weapons, because in this
> case bunkers, skyscrapers, carriers or entire city could suddenly disappear.
>
>
> TH
>

--
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Monday, 14 June 2021 at 13:01:32 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

> A key moment for some psychiatric patients is when they realize they are
> having a break from reality and start calling it for what it is.

No hope for you, poor idiot.

On 6/14/2021 1:40 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 13.06.2021 um 20:17 schrieb Michael Moroney:
> ...
>>>
>>> Well, actually I have never been in New York and - of course - never
>>> in the basement of the former WTC.
>>>
>>> Therefore, I had to pass, because I don't know, which particular
>>> structure or shop was exactly below each of the towers.
>>
>> Once again, https://kenfm.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/911nn898.jpg
>> shows the PATH train and tower footprints, and it shows the tower
>> footprints as collapsed totally and much of the rest of the basement as
>> not collapsed.  Can you not understand a simple diagram?
>>
>> I was in New York in December 2001. By then they had dug "the pile" down
>> to street level, so there was plenty more to go. If I recall they held a
>> ceremonial last debris removed (a large column) around May-June 2002.
>>>
>>> But certainly other people know.
>>
>> And you can see some info from
>> https://kenfm.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/911nn898.jpg.
>>>
>>> As this is an off-topic-discussion, anyhow, I would like to redirect
>>> you to the website of Judy Wood, who wrote extensivly about the
>>> missing building materials.
>>
>> That name sounds familiar, as a total wacko.
>
> I think, that Judy Wood was quite correct, because I had the same
> impression, that there was way too little debris.
>
> She quoted John Hutchison, who apparently invented the so called
> 'Hutchison effect', which was possibly the foundation of the used device.

'Total wacko' is correct! John Hutchison/the so called 'Hutchison
effect' is a complete scammer and his scam. He claimed to have
rediscovered Tesla's discoveries but his 'demonstrations' have been
shown as fraudulent (such as showing 'levitation' by videos from
upside-down cameras) and later claiming to be unable to reproduce the
effects. 9/11 kooktards latched onto his claims to make material vanish.
>
> This guy is a Canadian inventor and certainly a little strange. But I
> have heard about his experiments long ago and tried to find out, how
> that worked (before 9/11).
>
> So, I kind of think, that Hutchison was correct, hence Judy Wood, too.

You should be ashamed of yourself for falling for that scam.
>
>>>
>>> I think, that about a million tons went missing (as a rough estimate).
>>
>> They posted a figure of the total amount of debris removed at the end of
>> removal. I was following the news fairly closely at the time. It
>> exceeded the mass of the towers by quite a bit.  It would be less than
>> the total mass of the site  (other buildings, basements, contents)
>> partially because much became dust and much burned.  Nowhere close to a
>> million tons missing however.
>>>
>>> It looks, as if an exotic space-based weapon was used, which can
>>> transform steel and concrete into dust and nothing.
>>>
>>> But that is just a guess.
>>
>> And a really stupid guess.
>
>
> The first building destroyed was the costoms office building WTC 6.
>
> That building had a huge hole in the middle, which was more or less empty.

A huge panel of iron columns falling 100 floors may just do something
like that. (remember, you yourself pointed out buildings are 90% empty
space. More, I think)
>
> It looked like a spaceship had used a beam like the 'phaser' of the
> 'Enterprise', which turned the content of the building into dust and
> nothing.
>
> The reason to think about a spaceship was, that the hole was vertical
> and looked like burned into the building from above.

Really bad reasoning. First this was a disaster unlike anything before.
Second, after falling some 1000' the falling columns were going pretty
much straight down.
>
>>> But in case this assumption is true, it would require a cabal off
>>> extreme stupidity, because such a weapon should have never been used
>>> in a peace time scenario, because now every single power in the world
>>> will try to rebuild such a device.
>>>
>>> And sooner or later one will have a success.
>>>
>>> And THAT would be extremely dangerous, to say the least.
>>
>> Do you really expect this "cabal [of] extreme stupidity" to be smart
>> enough to invent such an exotic space-based weapon, and use it for no
>> apparent purpose, and then fake the data stating most of the expected
>> mass was removed from the site?
>
>
> As usual: the inventors were smart, but the users were stupid.

OK, I'll play along some more. How did this supposed stupid "cabal of
extreme stupidity" get its hands on such a weapon, a space-based weapon
(meaning only a few governments had that capability) and so secret that
nobody at all knew of it until used? And once used, everyone is trying
to recreate it? And this "cabal of extreme stupidity" was smart enough
to successfully aim it at the WTC in NYC, yet so stupid to waste its
ability to destroy a skyscraper complex and kill thousands for...no
reason whatsoever? And in all the physics research up to now, there was
no peer-reviewed discoveries that would show something behind this
'weapon'? (all attempts to recreate Hutchison's effects failed)
>
> In this case, the stupidity was so collossal, that most people cannot
> comprehend it.

As is the stupidity of actually believing that.

Again, how could such colossal stupidity get access to space-based
weapons and manage to use it to strike such a site and kill, with no (?)
motive?
>
>
> The thing is, that people will never ever give up to search for a
> solution to the riddle, how the towers were brought down and who did it.

Those who actually know such things found the real solution.
>
> This is like many other historic events: JFK assasination, Guy Fawkes,
> Hitler and Stalin, the pyramids and so forth.

Some will never believe the solved problems and continue with their
conspiracy theories.
>
> People will not stop digging for a solution and sooner or later someone
> will find something.
>
> In case of a weapon, that would dwarf all other weapons, you should be
> certain, that everybody would like to have one for his own use.

If such existed, of course.
>
>
> But then entire categories of existing arms and defense systems become
> obsolete and the cards are shouffled again.
>
> Much worse would be the actual use of such beam weapons, because in this
> case bunkers, skyscrapers, carriers or entire city could suddenly
> disappear.

Show me the science behind such a weapon.

Am 14.06.2021 um 13:01 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
....

>> The first building destroyed was the costoms office building WTC 6.
>>
>> That building had a huge hole in the middle, which was more or less empty.
>>
>> It looked like a spaceship had used a beam like the 'phaser' of the
>> 'Enterprise', which turned the content of the building into dust and
>> nothing.
>>
>> The reason to think about a spaceship was, that the hole was vertical
>> and looked like burned into the building from above.
>>
>>>> But in case this assumption is true, it would require a cabal off
>>>> extreme stupidity, because such a weapon should have never been used
>>>> in a peace time scenario, because now every single power in the world
>>>> will try to rebuild such a device.
>>>>
>>>> And sooner or later one will have a success.
>>>>
>>>> And THAT would be extremely dangerous, to say the least.
>>>
>>> Do you really expect this "cabal [of] extreme stupidity" to be smart
>>> enough to invent such an exotic space-based weapon, and use it for no
>>> apparent purpose, and then fake the data stating most of the expected
>>> mass was removed from the site?
>>
>>
>> As usual: the inventors were smart, but the users were stupid.
>>
>> In this case, the stupidity was so collossal, that most people cannot
>> comprehend it.
>>
>
> Ah, except those conspiracy nuts who have deep insight.

'conspiracy nuts' would fit, but most of the time they call themselves
by other names ('elite' for example).

TH