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* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
`* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
 `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
  `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
   +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
   |`* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
   | `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
   |  `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
   |   `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
   |    `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
   |     `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
   |      +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
   |      |+* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
   |      ||`* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
   |      || `* Crank Gary Harnagel perseveresDono.
   |      ||  `* Re: Crank Gary Harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
   |      ||   +- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel perseveresDono.
   |      ||   +- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel perseveresHouston Feldhaus
   |      ||   +* Re: Crank Gary Harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
   |      ||   |`- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel perseveresHouston Feldhaus
   |      ||   `- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel perseveresDono.
   |      |`- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
   |      `- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Houston Feldhaus
   `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
    `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Houston Feldhaus
     |`- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Houston Feldhaus
     +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     |+* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||+- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||`* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     || +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     || |`- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     || `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Jim Schreck
     ||  +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |`* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  | +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  | |+* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  | ||+* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  | |||`- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Werner Oberman
     ||  | ||`- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Bertram Schuller
     ||  | |`* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  | | `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  | |  +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  | |  +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  | |  +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  | |  +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  | |  +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  | |  `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  | |   `- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Barry Handshoe
     ||  | `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |  `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |   +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |   |`- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |   `* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    |+- Crank Gary Harnagel jumps framesDono.
     ||  |    |+- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel jumps framesGary Harnagel
     ||  |    |+- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel jumps framesDono.
     ||  |    |+- Crank Gary harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    |+- Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
     ||  |    |+- Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    |+- Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
     ||  |    |+- Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    |+- Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
     ||  |    |+* Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
     ||  |    ||+- Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresBarry Handshoe
     ||  |    ||`- Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresBarry Handshoe
     ||  |    |+- Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
     ||  |    |+- Crank Gary harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    |+* Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
     ||  |    ||`- Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresAce Hubner
     ||  |    |+- Ceank Gary Harnagel hard at workDono.
     ||  |    |+- Re: Ceank Gary Harnagel hard at workGary Harnagel
     ||  |    |+- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel hard at workDono.
     ||  |    |+- Utter crank Gary Harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    |+- Hardened crank Gary Harnagel backpedalsDono.
     ||  |    |+- Dishonest crank Gary Harnagel at workDono.
     ||  |    |+- Crank Gary Harnagel sinks lowerDono.
     ||  |    |+- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel sinks lowerGary Harnagel
     ||  |    |+- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel sinks lowerDono.
     ||  |    |+- Crank Gary Harnagel denies SR validityDono.
     ||  |    |+- crank Gary Harnagel tries to weasel outDono.
     ||  |    |+* Re: Dono keeps dissemblingGary Harnagel
     ||  |    ||`- Re: Dono keeps dissemblingVito Barbosa
     ||  |    |+- Re: Dono's dishonesty doesn't slowGary Harnagel
     ||  |    |+- Uber crank Gary Harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    |+- Re: Uber crank Gary Harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    |+- Re: Uber crank Gary Harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    |+- Re: Cranky Dono believe baloneyGary Harnagel
     ||  |    |+- Crank Gary Harnagel in desoeration modeDono.
     ||  |    |+- Scumbag Gary Harnagel eats shitDono.
     ||  |    |+- Re: Scumbag Gary Harnagel eats shitGary Harnagel
     ||  |    |+- Re: Scumbag Gary Harnagel eats shitDono.
     ||  |    |+* Re: Scumbag Gary Harnagel eats shitGary Harnagel
     ||  |    ||`* Re: Scumbag Gary Harnagel eats shitAbram Husband
     ||  |    || `- Re: Scumbag Gary Harnagel eats shitAbram Husband
     ||  |    |+- Re: Scumbag Gary Harnagel eats shitDono.
     ||  |    |`- Nutter Gary Harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresProkaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresProkaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: Crank Gary harnagel perseveresProkaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Hardened crank Gary Harnagel digs himself deeperDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Hardened imbecile Don'tkon digs himself deeperGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Hardened imbecile Gary Harnagel digs himself deeperDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Prokaryotic Capase Homolog
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Utter crank Gary Harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Utter crank Gary Harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Utter crank Gary Harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Utter crank Gary Harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Utter crank Gary Harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Utter crank Gary Harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Utter crank Gary Harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Utter crank Gary Harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Utter crank Gary Harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Utter crank Gary Harnagel perseveresDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Dishonest imbecile Gary Harnagel keeps on lyingDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Demented ignoramus DON'tknOw keeps proving his imbecilityGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Dishonest imbecile Gary Harnagel keeps up the liesDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Dishonest imbecile Gary Harnagel keeps up the liesGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Dishonest imbecile Gary Harnagel keeps up the liesDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Stubborn crank Gary Harnagel inserts foot in mouthDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Stubborn crank Gary Harnagel inserts foot in mouthGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Stubborn crank Gary Harnagel inserts foot in mouthDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Stubborn crank Gary Harnagel inserts foot in mouthGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: Stubborn crank Gary Harnagel inserts foot in mouthDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Crank Gary Harnagel showcases his dishonestyDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel showcases his dishonestyGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel showcases his dishonestyDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel showcases his dishonestyGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel showcases his dishonestyDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel showcases his dishonestyGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel sinking to new lowsGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: crank Gary Harnagel tries to weasel outGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Dishonest crank Gary Harnagel grsping at strawsDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Stubborn crank Gary Harnagel sinks even lowerDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +* Uber crank Gary Harnagel goes on weaselingDono.
     ||  |    +- Stubborn crank Gary Hatnagel continues to embarrass himselfDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Stubborn crank Gary Hatnagel continues to embarrass himselfGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Stubborn crank Gary Hatnagel continues to embarrass himselfDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- The coin finally drops on uber crank Gary HarnagelDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Uber crank Gary Harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Uber crank Gary Harnagel perseveresGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Cranky Gary Harnagel continues to embarrass himselfDono.
     ||  |    +- Intelligence-challenged Dono continues to embarrass himselfGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Intelligence-challenged Dono continues to embarrass himselfDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Intelligence-challenged Dono continues to embarrass himselfDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Brain-challenged Dono continues to embarrass himselfGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Brain-challenged Dono continues to embarrass himselfDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Brain-challenged Dono continues to embarrass himselfDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Brain-challenged Dono continues to embarrass himselfGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Crank Gary Harnagel keeps digging himself deeperDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Crank Gary Harnagel keeps digging himself deeperGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Hardened Crank Gary Harnagel is left frothing at the mouthDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Dono the Despicable exudes his H2S smellGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Uber crank Gary Harnagel froothes at the mouthDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: Fool, troll and bully Dono projects his dishonestyGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Stubborn crank Gary Harnagel gone crazy after being exposedDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: Prevaricator Dono in dishonest modeGary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Uber crank Gary Harnagel frothes at the mouthDono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    +- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     ||  |    +* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  |    `- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Gary Harnagel
     ||  `- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Rob Acraman
     |`* Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Dono.
     `- Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?Lloyd Oberwise

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Subject: Re: Uber crank Gary Harnagel perseveres
From: eggy2001...@gmail.com (Dono.)
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 by: Dono. - Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:04 UTC

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 7:38:06 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 7:57:49 AM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 5:24:14 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I claim that (1b) is irrelevant because an uninvolved frame doesn't know the "proper order" of events without
> > > querying those involved. I claim that (1a) is refuted because there is no causality violation in S', and there's none
> > > in S if the analysis strictly adheres to the strategy, moral and admonition of Morin, Recami, Taylor and Wheeler.
> >
> > You are one stubborn crank, Gary. You are going to your grave exactly like Ken Shito. And your garbage "paper" is collecting dust.
> Au contraire, demented-breath. They keep getting more and more downloads.
>
....from crank site vixra, crank.

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Subject: Re: Uber crank Gary Harnagel perseveres
From: hitl...@yahoo.com (Gary Harnagel)
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 by: Gary Harnagel - Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:59 UTC

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 9:04:27 AM UTC-6, Dono. BABBLED BALONEY:
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 7:38:06 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > Au contraire, demented-breath. They keep getting more and more downloads.
> >
> ...from crank site vixra, crank.

Yeah, like YOU :-))

But, of course, like the dishonest clown you are, you change your tune from
"collecting dust" (which you could've found out for yourself was untrue, but you're
a lazy bum so you didn't) to "crank site" (again, with no validation whatever for
your slander).

"ViXra.org is an e-print archive set up as an alternative to the popular arXiv.org
service owned by Cornell University. It has been founded by scientists who find
they are unable to submit their articles to arXiv.org because of Cornell University's
policy of endorsements and moderation designed to filter out e-prints that they
consider inappropriate."

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 by: Dono. - Mon, 21 Jun 2021 18:08 UTC

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 9:59:45 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> "ViXra.org is an e-print archive set up as an alternative to the popular arXiv.org

Being on vixra is the stamp of approval. Of being a crank. Continue basking in your crankiness. Gary.

Re: Cranky Dono believe baloney

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Subject: Re: Cranky Dono believe baloney
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 by: Gary Harnagel - Mon, 21 Jun 2021 18:49 UTC

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 12:08:53 PM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
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> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 9:59:45 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > "ViXra.org is an e-print archive set up as an alternative to the popular arXiv.org
>
> Being on vixra is the stamp of approval. Of being a crank. Continue basking in your crankiness. Gary.

Nobody cares what YOU believe, clueless-breath. After you, you doubled and tripled down
on the abysmally-stupid claim that KATRIN measures the DIFFERENCE between the neutrino flavor masses :-)))
That is breathtakingly pathetic!

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Subject: Re: Cranky Gary Harnagel continues to embarrass himself
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On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:49:40 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> claim that KATRIN measures the DIFFERENCE between the neutrino flavor masses :-)))
The differences between the SQUARES of the masses of the neutrino flavors, stubborn imbecile

Intelligence-challenged Dono continues to embarrass himself

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Subject: Intelligence-challenged Dono continues to embarrass himself
From: hitl...@yahoo.com (Gary Harnagel)
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 by: Gary Harnagel - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:45 UTC

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 12:53:49 PM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:49:40 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > claim that KATRIN measures the DIFFERENCE between the neutrino flavor masses :-)))
>
> The differences between the SQUARES of the masses of the neutrino flavors, stubborn imbecile

Yes, of course. Never attribute imbecility to a simple typo, slanderer. The FACT that you're
still in violation of is that KATRIN measures the mass-squared of the neutrion, NOT the
differences between the mass-squared of the different flavors. Now THAT would truly be
an imbecility :-))

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Subject: Re: Intelligence-challenged Dono continues to embarrass himself
From: eggy2001...@gmail.com (Dono.)
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 by: Dono. - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 15:05 UTC

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 6:45:50 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 12:53:49 PM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:49:40 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > > claim that KATRIN measures the DIFFERENCE between the neutrino flavor masses :-)))
> >
> > The differences between the SQUARES of the masses of the neutrino flavors, stubborn imbecile
> Yes, of course. Never attribute imbecility to a simple typo, slanderer. The FACT that you're
> still in violation of is that KATRIN measures the mass-squared of the neutrion,

....and you still persist in your imbecility. The wiki page clearly contradicts your oft repeated cretinism. You see, Gary, it is exactly these type of cretinismes that got your paper rejected, you don't know what you are reading or, even worse, you willfully pervert what you are reading.

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 by: Dono. - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 16:09 UTC

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 8:05:24 AM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 6:45:50 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 12:53:49 PM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
> > >
> > > On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:49:40 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > claim that KATRIN measures the DIFFERENCE between the neutrino flavor masses :-)))
> > >
> > > The differences between the SQUARES of the masses of the neutrino flavors, stubborn imbecile
> > Yes, of course. Never attribute imbecility to a simple typo, slanderer. The FACT that you're
> > still in violation of is that KATRIN measures the mass-squared of the neutrion,
> ...and you still persist in your imbecility. The wiki page clearly contradicts your oft repeated cretinism. You see, Gary, it is exactly these type of cretinisms that got your paper rejected, you don't know what you are reading or, even worse, you willfully pervert what you are reading.

I pointed you before to formula (2) right at the beginning of the KATRIN paper (https://arxiv.org/abs/2101.05253) but you are too much of a dishonest imbecile to acknowledge that you don't know what the paper says.

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On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 9:05:24 AM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 6:45:50 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 12:53:49 PM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
> > >
> > > On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:49:40 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > claim that KATRIN measures the DIFFERENCE between the neutrino flavor masses :-)))
> > >
> > > The differences between the SQUARES of the masses of the neutrino flavors, stubborn imbecile
> >
> > Yes, of course. Never attribute imbecility to a simple typo, slanderer. The FACT that you're
> > still in violation of is that KATRIN measures the mass-squared of the neutrion,
>
> ...and you still persist in your imbecility.

Keep up the IQ-challenged assertions :-))

> The wiki page clearly contradicts your oft repeated cretinism.

WHAT "wiki page" would that be, reading-challenged cave-dweller? This one, perhaps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino#Mass

"neutrino oscillations are sensitive only to the difference in the squares of the masses.
As of 2020, the best-fit valuevalue of the difference of the squares of the masses of mass
eigenstates 1 and 2 is |Δm²21| = 0.000074 eV2, while for eigenstates 2 and 3 it is
|Δm²32| = 0.00251 eV2.

The subject is neutrino OSCILLATIONS, not measurement of neutrino masses. The KATRIN
experiment clearly measures neutrino MASS.

> You see, Gary, it is exactly these type of cretinismes that got your paper rejected,

Your assertions are pathetic wishful-thing, which is the only kind of thinking you're
competent to do.

> you don't know what you are reading or, even worse, you willfully pervert what you are reading.

Pot, kettle, black :-)))

> I pointed you before to formula (2) right at the beginning of the KATRIN paper
> (https://arxiv.org/abs/2101.05253) but you are too much of a dishonest imbecile to
> acknowledge that you don't know what the paper says.

Equation (2) is a SUM, not a DIFFERENCE, math-challenged moron. You're conflating
two different discussions, one about MASS and the other about OSCILLATIONS. It's
what happens when you're incompetent.

Now go crawl back under your bridge and stop bothering rational people with your
silly, baseless opinions.

“People with opinions just go around bothering each other.” -- Buddha

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On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 10:27:29 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 9:05:24 AM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 6:45:50 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > > On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 12:53:49 PM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:49:40 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > claim that KATRIN measures the DIFFERENCE between the neutrino flavor masses :-)))
> > > >
> > > > The differences between the SQUARES of the masses of the neutrino flavors, stubborn imbecile
> > >
> > > Yes, of course. Never attribute imbecility to a simple typo, slanderer. The FACT that you're
> > > still in violation of is that KATRIN measures the mass-squared of the neutrion,
> >
> > ...and you still persist in your imbecility.
> Keep up the IQ-challenged assertions :-))
> > The wiki page clearly contradicts your oft repeated cretinism.
> WHAT "wiki page" would that be, reading-challenged cave-dweller? This one, perhaps:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino#Mass
>
> "neutrino oscillations are sensitive only to the difference in the squares of the masses.
> As of 2020, the best-fit valuevalue of the difference of the squares of the masses of mass
> eigenstates 1 and 2 is |Δm²21| = 0.000074 eV2, while for eigenstates 2 and 3 it is
> |Δm²32| = 0.00251 eV2.
>
> The subject is neutrino OSCILLATIONS, not measurement of neutrino masses. The KATRIN
> experiment clearly measures neutrino MASS.
> > You see, Gary, it is exactly these type of cretinismes that got your paper rejected,
> Your assertions are pathetic wishful-thing, which is the only kind of thinking you're
> competent to do.
> > you don't know what you are reading or, even worse, you willfully pervert what you are reading.
> Pot, kettle, black :-)))
> > I pointed you before to formula (2) right at the beginning of the KATRIN paper
> > (https://arxiv.org/abs/2101.05253) but you are too much of a dishonest imbecile to
> > acknowledge that you don't know what the paper says.
>
> Equation (2) is a SUM, not a DIFFERENCE,

Sigh,

When I pointed out formula (2) to you looong ago, I ALSO pointed out that some of the coefficients U_{ei} are IMAGINARY, so, when squared they are....negative. I also recommended that you read on the Standard Model, so you can learn about the the neutrino, its oscillation among the 3 flavors and why the mass is calcu;lated as per formula (2). Being a stubborn crank, you did do any learning and you preferred to continue to bask in your ignorance. Now you know why your paper is crap.

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Subject: Re: Brain-challenged Dono continues to embarrass himself
From: eggy2001...@gmail.com (Dono.)
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 by: Dono. - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 18:51 UTC

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 10:27:29 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 9:05:24 AM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 6:45:50 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > > On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 12:53:49 PM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:49:40 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > claim that KATRIN measures the DIFFERENCE between the neutrino flavor masses :-)))
> > > >
> > > > The differences between the SQUARES of the masses of the neutrino flavors, stubborn imbecile
> > >
> > > Yes, of course. Never attribute imbecility to a simple typo, slanderer. The FACT that you're
> > > still in violation of is that KATRIN measures the mass-squared of the neutrion,
> >
> > ...and you still persist in your imbecility.
> Keep up the IQ-challenged assertions :-))
> > The wiki page clearly contradicts your oft repeated cretinism.
> WHAT "wiki page" would that be, reading-challenged cave-dweller? This one, perhaps:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino#Mass
>
> "neutrino oscillations are sensitive only to the difference in the squares of the masses.
> As of 2020, the best-fit valuevalue of the difference of the squares of the masses of mass
> eigenstates 1 and 2 is |Δm²21| = 0.000074 eV2, while for eigenstates 2 and 3 it is
> |Δm²32| = 0.00251 eV2.
>
> The subject is neutrino OSCILLATIONS, not measurement of neutrino masses. The KATRIN
> experiment clearly measures neutrino MASS.
> > You see, Gary, it is exactly these type of cretinismes that got your paper rejected,
> Your assertions are pathetic wishful-thing, which is the only kind of thinking you're
> competent to do.
> > you don't know what you are reading or, even worse, you willfully pervert what you are reading.
> Pot, kettle, black :-)))
> > I pointed you before to formula (2) right at the beginning of the KATRIN paper
> > (https://arxiv.org/abs/2101.05253) but you are too much of a dishonest imbecile to
> > acknowledge that you don't know what the paper says.
>
> Equation (2) is a SUM, not a DIFFERENCE,

Sigh,

When I pointed out formula (2) to you looong ago, I ALSO pointed out that some of the coefficients U_{ei} are IMAGINARY, so, when squared, they are.....negative. I also recommended that you read on the Standard Model, so you can learn about the neutrino, its oscillation among the 3 flavors and why the mass is calculated as per formula (2). Being a stubborn crank, you did NOT do any learning and you preferred to continue to bask in your ignorance. Now you know why your paper is crap.

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 by: Gary Harnagel - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 20:23 UTC

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 12:51:01 PM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
? > On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 10:27:29 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 9:05:24 AM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
> > WHAT "wiki page" would that be, reading-challenged cave-dweller? This one, perhaps:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino#Mass
> >
> > "neutrino oscillations are sensitive only to the difference in the squares of the masses.
> > As of 2020, the best-fit valuevalue of the difference of the squares of the masses of mass
> > eigenstates 1 and 2 is |Δm²21| = 0.000074 eV2, while for eigenstates 2 and 3 it is
> > |Δm²32| = 0.00251 eV2.
> >
> > The subject is neutrino OSCILLATIONS, not measurement of neutrino masses. The KATRIN
> > experiment clearly measures neutrino MASS.
>
> > Equation (2) is a SUM, not a DIFFERENCE,
>
> Sigh,
>
> When I pointed out formula (2) to you looong ago, I ALSO pointed out that some of the
> coefficients U_{ei} are IMAGINARY, so, when squared, they are....negative..

You are wrong, imaginary-breath. The U coefficients aren't in the wiki link, they're in the KATRIN
paper, in the INTRODUCTION. So your blathering nonsense is pure unadulterated baloney.
The U coefficients are CLEARLY identified:

"Each spectral component is weighted by the absolute square of the corresponding electron-
flavor matrix element |Uei²." Get that, math-incompetent blatherer? It's a WEIGHTING factor.
Such are NOT "imaginary" and they're NOT "squared."

> I also recommended that you read on the Standard Model, so you can learn about the neutrino,
> its oscillation among the 3 flavors and why the mass is calculated as per formula (2).

I've read it all, mentally-incompetent fool. As I've explained for your pea-sized intellect, KATRIN
measures the electron properties. And knowing the energy cut-off, they calculate the neutrino
mass, and since the neutrino involved in the decay process is the electron antineutrino, then THAT
is what is measured since there is NO time for the neutrino to morph into a different flavor.
..
> Being a stubborn crank, you did NOT do any learning and you preferred to continue to bask in
> your ignorance. Now you know why your paper is crap.

Don't blame me for your inability to grasp the rational concepts of physics.. You're psychologically
imbalanced, besides being a complete fool and projecting your own foibles on others.

He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool ... shun him.
-- Persian Proverb

Now do what I told you to do: crawl back under your bridge, troll, and stop bothering intelligent folk.

Crank Gary Harnagel keeps digging himself deeper

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From: eggy2001...@gmail.com (Dono.)
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 by: Dono. - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 23:04 UTC

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 1:23:44 PM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 12:51:01 PM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
> ?
> > On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 10:27:29 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 9:05:24 AM UTC-6, Dono. wrote:
> > > WHAT "wiki page" would that be, reading-challenged cave-dweller? This one, perhaps:
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino#Mass
> > >
> > > "neutrino oscillations are sensitive only to the difference in the squares of the masses.
> > > As of 2020, the best-fit valuevalue of the difference of the squares of the masses of mass
> > > eigenstates 1 and 2 is |Δm²21| = 0.000074 eV2, while for eigenstates 2 and 3 it is
> > > |Δm²32| = 0.00251 eV2.
> > >
> > > The subject is neutrino OSCILLATIONS, not measurement of neutrino masses. The KATRIN
> > > experiment clearly measures neutrino MASS.
> >
> > > Equation (2) is a SUM, not a DIFFERENCE,
> >
> > Sigh,
> >
> > When I pointed out formula (2) to you looong ago, I ALSO pointed out that some of the
> > coefficients U_{ei} are IMAGINARY, so, when squared, they are....negative.
> The U coefficients aren't in the wiki link,

The coefficients are taken straight out from the Standard Model Matrix , imbecile.
The wiki link simple shows the expression as DIFFERENCE between SQUARED masses.
It is impossible to measure ANYTHING but the DIFFERENCES of the neutrino square masses because the neutrino oscillates continuously among its three flavors.
I understand that you refuse the learn the mainstream science because it contradicts your crank misconceptions. As such, please continue to keep up the entertainment.

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On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 5:04:51 PM UTC-6, Dono. wrote nonsense:
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Stop disposing of your trash on the internet. It's unseemly and inconveniences
bazillions of electrons.

Everyone has the right to be stupid but you’re abusing the priviledge. – Shiv Daddar

They never open their mouths without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge.
– Thomas Brackett Reed

“You are mean because inside you’re tiny. So tiny you cannot hold up the weight of your
own body. You must inflate your ego just to fill the skin. You float around like a helium
balloon. Blown up and bloated and gassy and empty.” ― Rivers Solomon

“Some people should use a glue stick instead of chapstick.” -- Anonymous

Hardened Crank Gary Harnagel is left frothing at the mouth

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Subject: Hardened Crank Gary Harnagel is left frothing at the mouth
From: eggy2001...@gmail.com (Dono.)
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 by: Dono. - Wed, 23 Jun 2021 04:51 UTC

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 8:06:54 PM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 5:04:51 PM UTC-6, Dono. wrote nonsense:
> >
> > [trashy deleted]
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> Stop disposing of your trash on the internet. It's unseemly and inconveniences
> bazillions of electrons.
>
> Everyone has the right to be stupid but you’re abusing the priviledge. – Shiv Daddar
>
> They never open their mouths without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge.
> – Thomas Brackett Reed

The trouble with hardened cranks like you Gary is that you are so obsessed of not being exposed that you refuse to learn even when offered the opportunity. So, you are left with no scientific reply, just frothing at the mouth.. You need to wipe it, you look disgusting.

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Subject: Re: Dono the Despicable exudes his H2S smell
From: hitl...@yahoo.com (Gary Harnagel)
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 by: Gary Harnagel - Wed, 23 Jun 2021 12:05 UTC

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 10:51:05 PM UTC-6, Dono. deficated:
>
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 8:06:54 PM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > Stop disposing of your trash on the internet. It's unseemly and inconveniences
> > bazillions of electrons.
> >
> > Everyone has the right to be stupid but you’re abusing the priviledge. – Shiv Daddar
> >
> > They never open their mouths without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge.
> > – Thomas Brackett Reed
>
> [Unscientific reply deleted]

I enjoy having DISCUSSIONS to discover what is true. You, OTOH, only seem to care about
making yourself appear to be above others.

It's possible that some day you'll write something truthful. Just because it's never happened
doesn't mean that it won't ever happen. But life is short and coherency lies elsewhere.
You, sir, are a fool, a troll and a bully. YOU are the only one that can redeem yourself, but
you've never been seen taking a single step to becoming a decent human being around here.

THAT's why I'll never read another thing you write. If I respond at all, I will simply delete every
attempt of yours to "communicate" (and I use that word VERY loosely). You are persona non
grata.

"He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool ... shun him."
-- Persian Proverb

Uber crank Gary Harnagel froothes at the mouth

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Subject: Uber crank Gary Harnagel froothes at the mouth
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 by: Dono. - Wed, 23 Jun 2021 13:06 UTC

On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 5:05:38 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:

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> I enjoy having DISCUSSIONS to discover what is true.

You need to stop lying, Gary.

Re: Fool, troll and bully Dono projects his dishonesty

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Subject: Re: Fool, troll and bully Dono projects his dishonesty
From: hitl...@yahoo.com (Gary Harnagel)
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 by: Gary Harnagel - Wed, 23 Jun 2021 13:15 UTC

On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 7:06:49 AM UTC-6, Dono. defecated again:
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> On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 5:05:38 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > I enjoy having DISCUSSIONS to discover what is true.

> [Dishonest Dono's defecations deleted]

"There is a big difference between a human being and being human.'
-- Anonymous

Stubborn crank Gary Harnagel gone crazy after being exposed

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Subject: Stubborn crank Gary Harnagel gone crazy after being exposed
From: eggy2001...@gmail.com (Dono.)
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 by: Dono. - Wed, 23 Jun 2021 13:19 UTC

On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 6:15:39 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> snip mouth frothing<

Wipe the spittle from your chin, crank.

Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?

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Subject: Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?
From: ufona...@gmail.com (Rob Acraman)
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 by: Rob Acraman - Thu, 24 Jun 2021 11:39 UTC

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 10:37:57 AM UTC+10, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 9:15:30 AM UTC-6, Rob Acraman wrote:

> > Q1) From the PERSPECTIVE of the C and D (ie, the analysis of the ONE frame, the S' frame - ie.
> > sticking to the CD frame, so Figure 1), what do you say will be printed on that big sheet of paper ? It
> > will say "Tachyons arrived at t'C=" <what>??? (ie, what is the value of t'C - what value is showing on
> > C's clock - when C receives the tachyons ACCORDING TO THE S' FRAME) ?
> As I have stated, tC' = 2 PM. It must say that or A isn't adjacent.
> > Q2) From the PERSPECTIVE of A and B (ie. the analysis of the ONE frame, the S frame - ie sticking to
> > the AB frame, so Figure 3) what do you say will be printed on that big sheet of paper? It will say
> > "Tachyons arrived at t'C=" <what>??? (ie, what is the value of t'C- what value is showing on C's clock -
> > when C receives the tachyons ACCORDING TO THE S FRAME) ?
> >
> > :-)
> This, of course, depends upon what you ASSUME tachyons can do. If you ASSUME that tachyons sent
> between D and C can make time go backward in S (the frame where A and B are at rest), then the paper
> will say that tC' = 2 PM. This, however, is nonsense because it begs the question:
>
> https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/01/03/baloney-detection-kit-carl-sagan/
>
> It assumes tachyons can do something they may not be able to do. That is, as far as A and B are concerned,
> the position of C when D launches the signal is xC = vt = v²L/c². This is what they OBSERVE and MEASURE.
> Using the LT, or reading C's clock, they will find that tC' = γ[vL/c² - (v²/c²)vL/c²] = vL/γc², or 3 PM.

Right, so (near-)infinite tachyons leads there is a serious contradiction (without needing to complete a message loop) : from the perspective of C and D, that big sheet of paper will read "Tachyons arrived at t'C= 2PM", but from the perspective of A and B that big sheet of paper will read "Tachyons arrived at t'C= 3PM".

>
> IOW, when D launches the signal, C has already passed A according to Figure 3, but according to Figure 2
> they are adjacent. So S' claims that a message loop can be constructed if infinite signal speeds can be sent
> in the frame where the transmitter and receiver are mutually at rest, causing time in the observing frame to
> reverse. However, S claims that, by adherence to Morin's strategy, Recami's moral and Taylor and Wheeler's
> admonition,

Again, to re-state :

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 10:57:44 PM UTC+10, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 11:31:28 PM UTC-6, Rob Acraman wrote:

> > Hmmmmm, is this where your interpretation of Morin's strategy comes in ? Do you believe :
> > - Sticking in the CD frame, we believe what S' sees, so Carol receives the tachyons just as
> > she is adjacent to Alice - Sticking in the AB frame, we believe what S sees, so Carol
> > receives the tachyons long after she passed Alice
> >
> > ..... and that believing both of these are valid is Morin's strategy ???????
> Yes, my enhancement of Morin's strategy is that it must be applied to both frames.

Again, I totally reject your "enhancements" to Morin et al, especially since every quote of theirs in this thread is fully consistent with standard SR practices (nothing requiring nor supporting enhancements) That means your claiming the authority of their names for your "enhancements" carries ZERO weight as far as I'm concerned. ;-)

a message loop cannot be constructed because of the way the conditions were arranged at the
> start of the experiment. Either way, there is a serious contradiction, and there are only two possibilities as I
> see it:
>
> (1) Tachyons cannot exist because (a) their properties make time reverse in another frame involved in a message
> loop, and (b) make causal events occur in reverse order, even for observers not involved in the transmission or
> reception.
>
> (2) The logistics of the experiment don't allow a proper test of the existence or nonexistence of tachyons.
>
> I claim that (1b) is irrelevant because an uninvolved frame doesn't know the "proper order" of events without
> querying those involved. I claim that (1a) is refuted because there is no causality violation in S', and there's none
> in S if the analysis strictly adheres to the strategy, moral and admonition of Morin, Recami, Taylor and Wheeler.

Well, for option (1) there's also "tachyons cannot exist because" of the flat out contradiction of "from the perspective of C and D, that big sheet of paper will read "Tachyons arrived at t'C= 2PM", but from the perspective of A and B that big sheet of paper will read "Tachyons arrived at t'C= 3PM"."

That is simply a direct contradiction between (near-)infinite tachyons, and RoS.

So do you agree that this rules out (near-)infinite speed tachyons from D to C ?

>
>
> So that leaves (2): the configuration is a dead horse. So the obvious solution is to dismount and find a live
> horse, and there is one which allows FTL communication without causality violation nor disagreement between
> analyses.

So you are saying basically "let's forget the dead-horse scenario where D sets the tachyon speed dial to (near-)infinite, and instead look at the different live-horse scenario where D sets the tachyon speed dial to c²/v "

I'm saying before we look at the scenario of D setting the speed dial to c²/v, do you agree that D setting the speed dial to (near-)infinite leads directly to contradictions, so as above (near-)infinite speed tachyons from D to C is impossible?

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On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 5:39:56 AM UTC-6, Rob Acraman wrote:
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 10:37:57 AM UTC+10, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 9:15:30 AM UTC-6, Rob Acraman wrote:
> > >
> > > Q1) From the PERSPECTIVE of the C and D (ie, the analysis of the ONE frame, the S' frame - ie.
> > > sticking to the CD frame, so Figure 1), what do you say will be printed on that big sheet of paper ? It
> > > will say "Tachyons arrived at t'C=" <what>??? (ie, what is the value of t'C - what value is showing on
> > > C's clock - when C receives the tachyons ACCORDING TO THE S' FRAME) ?
> >
> > As I have stated, tC' = 2 PM. It must say that or A isn't adjacent.
> >
> > > Q2) From the PERSPECTIVE of A and B (ie. the analysis of the ONE frame, the S frame - ie sticking to
> > > the AB frame, so Figure 3) what do you say will be printed on that big sheet of paper? It will say
> > > "Tachyons arrived at t'C=" <what>??? (ie, what is the value of t'C- what value is showing on C's clock -
> > > when C receives the tachyons ACCORDING TO THE S FRAME) ?
> > >
> > > :-)
> >
> > This, of course, depends upon what you ASSUME tachyons can do. If you ASSUME that tachyons sent
> > between D and C can make time go backward in S (the frame where A and B are at rest), then the paper
> > will say that tC' = 2 PM. This, however, is nonsense because it begs the question:
> >
> > https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/01/03/baloney-detection-kit-carl-sagan/
> >
> > It assumes tachyons can do something they may not be able to do. That is, as far as A and B are concerned,
> > the position of C when D launches the signal is xC = vt = v²L/c². This is what they OBSERVE and MEASURE.
> > Using the LT, or reading C's clock, they will find that tC' = γ[vL/c² - (v²/c²)vL/c²] = vL/γc², or 3 PM.
>
> Right, so (near-)infinite tachyons leads there is a serious contradiction (without needing to complete a
> message loop) : from the perspective of C and D, that big sheet of paper will read "Tachyons arrived at t'C= 2PM",
> but from the perspective of A and B that big sheet of paper will read "Tachyons arrived at t'C= 3PM".

Hi Rob,

I've been whiling my time poking Dono, waiting for your response :-)

(Near-) infinite-speed tachyons aren't the problem. Note that when w = c²/v, w' = ∞. This behavior comes out of
the LT itself:

∆t' = γ(∆t - v∆x/c²) and w' = (∆x - v∆t)/(∆t - v∆x/c²) = (w - v)/(1 - wv/c²)

When v has the opposite sign, w = ∞ leads to w' = c²/v:

w' = (w + v)/(1 + wv/c²)

Perhaps all the hullabaloo about causality violation is because people were dwelling on the negative :-)

Tachyons don't violate causality, people do.

> > IOW, when D launches the signal, C has already passed A according to Figure 3, but according to Figure 2
> > they are adjacent. So S' claims that a message loop can be constructed if infinite signal speeds can be sent
> > in the frame where the transmitter and receiver are mutually at rest, causing time in the observing frame to
> > reverse. However, S claims that, by adherence to Morin's strategy, Recami's moral and Taylor and Wheeler's
> > admonition,
>
> Again, to re-state :
>
> On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 10:57:44 PM UTC+10, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 11:31:28 PM UTC-6, Rob Acraman wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmmmmm, is this where your interpretation of Morin's strategy comes in ? Do you believe :
> > > - Sticking in the CD frame, we believe what S' sees, so Carol receives the tachyons just as
> > > she is adjacent to Alice - Sticking in the AB frame, we believe what S sees, so Carol
> > > receives the tachyons long after she passed Alice
> > >
> > > ..... and that believing both of these are valid is Morin's strategy ???????
> >
> > Yes, my enhancement of Morin's strategy is that it must be applied to both frames.
>
> Again, I totally reject your "enhancements" to Morin et al, especially since every quote of theirs
> in this thread is fully consistent with standard SR practices (nothing requiring nor supporting
> enhancements)

Come now, Rob, it's OBVIOUS that MS MUST be applied in both frames. Rejection of that is rejection
of the PoR!

That means your claiming the authority of their names for your "enhancements" carries ZERO
> weight as far as I'm concerned. ;-)

So you have NO concern that you're rejecting the PoR? :-))

> > a message loop cannot be constructed because of the way the conditions were arranged at the
> > start of the experiment. Either way, there is a serious contradiction, and there are only two possibilities
> > as I see it:
> >
> > (1) Tachyons cannot exist because (a) their properties make time reverse in another frame involved in
> > a message loop, and (b) make causal events occur in reverse order, even for observers not involved in
> > the transmission or reception.
> >
> > (2) The logistics of the experiment don't allow a proper test of the existence or nonexistence of tachyons.
> >
> > I claim that (1b) is irrelevant because an uninvolved frame doesn't know the "proper order" of events without
> > querying those involved. I claim that (1a) is refuted because there is no causality violation in S', and there's none
> > in S if the analysis strictly adheres to the strategy, moral and admonition of Morin, Recami, Taylor and Wheeler.
>
> Well, for option (1) there's also "tachyons cannot exist because" of the flat out contradiction of "from the
> perspective of C and D, that big sheet of paper will read "Tachyons arrived at t'C= 2PM", but from the
> perspective of A and B that big sheet of paper will read "Tachyons arrived at t'C= 3PM"."
>
> That is simply a direct contradiction between (near-)infinite tachyons, and RoS.

Nope. You're mixing frames again, violating Morin's strategy.

Wow! I had to go WAY back to recover this (obviously spent too much time poking Dono :-)

t' = 0:
> > v <-- A ____________ v <-- B
> > ____ C __________ u' <---- D
> > Figure 1. tA = 0, tB = vL/c², u' = -∞
> >
> > Are you okay with this?
>
> Sure
>
> > Now, what I'm claiming is that FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF C AND D, A cannot send an
> > infinitely-fast signal to B. This is because as far as C and D are concerned, B's clock is
> > ahead of A's clock. Do the COMPLETE analysis from ONE frame!
> ...
> > So from the perspective of A and B, D can't send the signal at t = 0. Time must pass:
> >
> > t = vL/c²:
> > ____C --> v _________ u' <---- D --> v
> > A ________________________ B
> > Figure 3. tC' = vL/γc², tD' = 0.
>
> So do you agree that this rules out (near-)infinite speed tachyons from D to C ?

You're trying to conflate communication between frames with NO communication.
You certainly agree that space-like separation of events can appear in reverse order, right?
Say, E1 is D launches a signal and E2 is C receives it. Obviously, if u' = -∞, C receives it
at t = 0.

t = 0:
C --> v ____________ D --> v
A ________________________ B
tC' = 0, tD' = -vL/γc²

So E1 = (L,vL/c²); [L/γ,0] and E2 = (0,0); [-γv²/c²,0]. So what?

> > So that leaves (2): the configuration is a dead horse. So the obvious solution is to dismount and find a live
> > horse, and there is one which allows FTL communication without causality violation nor disagreement between
> > analyses.
>
> So you are saying basically "let's forget the dead-horse scenario where D sets the tachyon speed dial to (near-)
> infinite, and instead look at the different live-horse scenario where D sets the tachyon speed dial to c²/v "
>
> I'm saying before we look at the scenario of D setting the speed dial to c²/v, do you agree that D setting the speed
> dial to (near-)infinite leads directly to contradictions, so as above (near-)infinite speed tachyons from D to C is
> impossible?

Only for communication between frames. For no communication, all A and B have to go on is E2 happened before
E1. Nothing new about that. A and B can't detect the signal D sent to C, so they don't know that E1 and E2 are
connected.

So let's say that C passed a message to A at t = 0, and sent it to B at w = ∞. So B receives it at t = 0, but B can't pass
it to D until t = vL/c² (tD' = 0). So even if D sends it to C infinitely-fast, it doesn't get back before C passed it to A.


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Subject: Crank Gary Harnagel in desoeration mode
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 by: Dono. - Thu, 24 Jun 2021 13:58 UTC

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 6:37:50 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Hi Rob,
>
> I've been whiling my time poking Dono, waiting for your response :-)

Actually, you have been spending your time lying, weaseling and having your ass kicked.

> Tachyons don't violate causality, people do.

More precisely, cranks like Gary Harnagel , do.

> OTOH, if a different configuration is set up and u' is set to -c²/v, it will succeed. And the communication speed
> will be faster than light and causality won't be violated. I hereby so predict :-)

Crank,

Tying the speeds of the tachyons to the relative speeds between frames is what makes your insane theory violate PoR. You will go to your grave supporting it, just like your fellow crank, Ken Shito. There is no difference between you two.

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 by: Gary Harnagel - Thu, 24 Jun 2021 17:11 UTC

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:58:37 AM UTC-6, Dono. lied:
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> [all untruths deleted, so nothing left]

“The greater self-confidence an individual possesses, the less inclined he is to put down others.
This says a lot about those who constantly belittle.” ― Richelle E. Goodrich

That's Dono's problem: he knows he's incompetent, but he's too lazy to do anything about it.
The confidence he projects is actually a defense mechanism so he won't have to strain his brain.

Uber crank Gary Harnagel frothes at the mouth

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Subject: Uber crank Gary Harnagel frothes at the mouth
From: eggy2001...@gmail.com (Dono.)
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 by: Dono. - Thu, 24 Jun 2021 17:21 UTC

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 10:11:24 AM UTC-7, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Gary, wipe the spittle from your chin, it is disgusting
Your frothing at the mouth is disgusting

Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?

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Subject: Re: PCH, Al Coe, etc., Do you agree with David Morin?
From: ufona...@gmail.com (Rob Acraman)
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 by: Rob Acraman - Fri, 25 Jun 2021 13:03 UTC

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:37:50 PM UTC+10, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 5:39:56 AM UTC-6, Rob Acraman wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 10:37:57 AM UTC+10, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 9:15:30 AM UTC-6, Rob Acraman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Q1) From the PERSPECTIVE of the C and D (ie, the analysis of the ONE frame, the S' frame - ie.
> > > > sticking to the CD frame, so Figure 1), what do you say will be printed on that big sheet of paper ? It
> > > > will say "Tachyons arrived at t'C=" <what>??? (ie, what is the value of t'C - what value is showing on
> > > > C's clock - when C receives the tachyons ACCORDING TO THE S' FRAME) ?
> > >
> > > As I have stated, tC' = 2 PM. It must say that or A isn't adjacent.
> > >
> > > > Q2) From the PERSPECTIVE of A and B (ie. the analysis of the ONE frame, the S frame - ie sticking to
> > > > the AB frame, so Figure 3) what do you say will be printed on that big sheet of paper? It will say
> > > > "Tachyons arrived at t'C=" <what>??? (ie, what is the value of t'C- what value is showing on C's clock -
> > > > when C receives the tachyons ACCORDING TO THE S FRAME) ?
> > > >
> > > > :-)
> > >
> > > This, of course, depends upon what you ASSUME tachyons can do. If you ASSUME that tachyons sent
> > > between D and C can make time go backward in S (the frame where A and B are at rest), then the paper
> > > will say that tC' = 2 PM. This, however, is nonsense because it begs the question:
> > >
> > > https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/01/03/baloney-detection-kit-carl-sagan/
> > >
> > > It assumes tachyons can do something they may not be able to do. That is, as far as A and B are concerned,
> > > the position of C when D launches the signal is xC = vt = v²L/c². This is what they OBSERVE and MEASURE.
> > > Using the LT, or reading C's clock, they will find that tC' = γ[vL/c² - (v²/c²)vL/c²] = vL/γc², or 3 PM..
> >
> > Right, so (near-)infinite tachyons leads there is a serious contradiction (without needing to complete a
> > message loop) : from the perspective of C and D, that big sheet of paper will read "Tachyons arrived at t'C= 2PM",
> > but from the perspective of A and B that big sheet of paper will read "Tachyons arrived at t'C= 3PM".
> Hi Rob,
>
> I've been whiling my time poking Dono, waiting for your response :-)

Yep, could see you two enjoying eachother's company >8-O I went with a friend to see Fast&Furious 9 .... now there's a planet where the laws of physics really do not apply !

> > Again, I totally reject your "enhancements" to Morin et al, especially since every quote of theirs
> > in this thread is fully consistent with standard SR practices (nothing requiring nor supporting
> > enhancements)
> Come now, Rob, it's OBVIOUS that MS MUST be applied in both frames. Rejection of that is rejection
> of the PoR!
> That means your claiming the authority of their names for your "enhancements" carries ZERO
> > weight as far as I'm concerned. ;-)
> So you have NO concern that you're rejecting the PoR? :-))

Yep - I have no concern at all, because I'm not rejecting PoR - only your "enhancements" ;-P

Morin et al statements all fully support standard SR, and as such are perfectly consistent with PoR.

Nothing that they say disallows, for example, bi-directional communication between two individuals as they are co-located while passing, nor is it a violation of PoR that such bi-directional communication is possible.

> > > a message loop cannot be constructed because of the way the conditions were arranged at the
> > > start of the experiment. Either way, there is a serious contradiction, and there are only two possibilities
> > > as I see it:
> > >
> > > (1) Tachyons cannot exist because (a) their properties make time reverse in another frame involved in
> > > a message loop, and (b) make causal events occur in reverse order, even for observers not involved in
> > > the transmission or reception.
> > >
> > > (2) The logistics of the experiment don't allow a proper test of the existence or nonexistence of tachyons.
> > >
> > > I claim that (1b) is irrelevant because an uninvolved frame doesn't know the "proper order" of events without
> > > querying those involved. I claim that (1a) is refuted because there is no causality violation in S', and there's none
> > > in S if the analysis strictly adheres to the strategy, moral and admonition of Morin, Recami, Taylor and Wheeler.
> >
> > Well, for option (1) there's also "tachyons cannot exist because" of the flat out contradiction of "from the
> > perspective of C and D, that big sheet of paper will read "Tachyons arrived at t'C= 2PM", but from the
> > perspective of A and B that big sheet of paper will read "Tachyons arrived at t'C= 3PM"."
> >
> > That is simply a direct contradiction between (near-)infinite tachyons, and RoS.
> Nope. You're mixing frames again, violating Morin's strategy.

Hold on - I asked you earlier a direct, clear and explicit question of what value would be printed on that big sheet of paper from the perspective of each frame.

Looking back, I see you said for the AB frame perspective "they will find that tC' = ... 3 PM.", which I naturally interpreted as that being your answer - but it wasn't, hence your comment above. You never did give a direct answer to that direct question for the AB frame perspective, but did say :

> This, of course, depends upon what you ASSUME tachyons can do. If you ASSUME that tachyons sent
> between D and C can make time go backward in S (the frame where A and B are at rest), then the paper
> will say that tC' = 2 PM. This, however, is nonsense

So I still want to get a clear and precise picture of exactly what you are saying (based on YOUR assumptions) when D has his speed dial set to (near-)infinite.

So again, the scenario is : the proper distance between C and D is 600 light minutes, and they have previously synchronised their clocks. They are being passed by A and B, at velocity v = 0.1c. therefore as you said :

> So I assume you're referring to Figure 1 above. L is the proper length between A and B, so 600
> light minutes = L/γ. Therefore, L = 1.005x600 = 603 LM, so vL/c² = 60.3 minutes, or 1.005 hour.

D has his tachyon speed dial set to (near-)infinite, and at t'D=2pm (so just as D is co-located with B) emits those tachyons to C. C's receiver is programmed so that when those tachyons arrive, it will print on a big sheet of paper "Tachyons arrived at t'C =" and the current value of t'C (OK down to the second ;-) ) So this scenario is represented by these diagrams :

- From the perspective of C&D frame S' :

t' = 2pm:
v <-- A ____________ v <-- B
____ C __________ u' <---- D
Figure 1. u' = -∞

From the perspective of A&B frame S :
t = 3:00:18pm
____C --> v _________ u' <---- D --> v
A ________________________ B
Figure 3. tC' = vL/γc² = 3pm, tD' = 2pm.

So we agree that from the perspective of C&D frame S' , that big sheet of paper will have printed on it "Tachyons arrived at t'C = 2PM" as per Figure 1.

So I want to know EXACTLY what you are stating from the perspective of the A&B frame - especially what text will be printed on that big sheet of paper.. The two obvious answers to that question are either 2PM or 3PM, but you seem to rule out both of these - so what value do you say WILL be printed (in this AB frame perspective) ?

> > So do you agree that this rules out (near-)infinite speed tachyons from D to C ?
> You're trying to conflate communication between frames with NO communication.
> You certainly agree that space-like separation of events can appear in reverse order, right?
> Say, E1 is D launches a signal and E2 is C receives it. Obviously, if u' = -∞, C receives it
> at t = 0.
>
> t = 0:
> C --> v ____________ D --> v
> A ________________________ B
> tC' = 0, tD' = -vL/γc²
>
> So E1 = (L,vL/c²); [L/γ,0] and E2 = (0,0); [-γv²/c²,0]. So what?

EVERY diagram must be based on an agreed coordinate system - ie, there MUST be a time when both origins are co-located - when x=0,t=0 is the same point as x'=0,t'=0.

Your diagram here doesn't do that. You have E2 being (0,0) (ie, the unprimed frame's A is at x=0,t=0) with the primed frame's C at x'=-γv²/c², t'=0 .

Sorry, but unaligned diagrams are busted straight off ;-P


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