https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2KjAiCL1HQ

93 San Francisco
114 Fairfield
114 Elk Grove
114 Sacramento
110 Stockton
105 Modesto

Gosh Darn Tommy!!!!!!! Its hotter than hell out in California. Still believe global warming is false? Seems to be happening in your neighborhood. Bicycling content: must be difficult to ride in this sweltering heat.

On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 16:57:09 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2KjAiCL1HQ
>
>93 San Francisco
>114 Fairfield
>114 Elk Grove
>114 Sacramento
>110 Stockton
>105 Modesto
>
>Gosh Darn Tommy!!!!!!! Its hotter than hell out in California. Still believe global warming is false? Seems to be happening in your neighborhood. Bicycling content: must be difficult to ride in this sweltering heat.

Greetings from hell. 6PM PDT in Ben Lomond, CA and my outdoor
temperature is 93F (33.9C) and 16% humidity on my weather station.
Highest here was 102F (38.9C). NWS weather forecast is more of the
same for about 5 days:
<https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lon=-122.09304015350371&lat=37.08133745279595#.YxabF7TMJaQ>

So far, we're surviving, but there's a potential problem on the left
coast with the lack of electricity needed to run the air conditioners.
<http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/default.aspx>
Notice there are various alerts in progress. Yesterday, PG&E or SCE
might have done some load shedding to reduce the demand.
I expect we will again run the "Current Reserves" to zero tonight.
Forecast peak demands will be at 7:45PM PDT. If I disappear, you can
guess what happened.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 7:57:10 PM UTC-4, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2KjAiCL1HQ
>
> 93 San Francisco
> 114 Fairfield
> 114 Elk Grove
> 114 Sacramento
> 110 Stockton
> 105 Modesto
>
> Gosh Darn Tommy!!!!!!! Its hotter than hell out in California. Still believe global warming is false? Seems to be happening in your neighborhood. Bicycling content: must be difficult to ride in this sweltering heat.

I think tommy should prove us all wrong and prove the slime-stream media is lying about the weather by going on a metric milage bike ride in the hills with only a regular sized bottle. He should make sure his bike has the special campy non-stretch cables, the custom-made derailleur arm, and whatever weird sized clamp he thinks his handlebars need.

My son, age 30, and his buddy, who are both pretty decent riders and big fans of Felt bicycles, did our local "short snort" ride (about 12 miles but quite a bit of climbing) yesterday when it was 110. I asked them if they had any moments during the ride where they felt hyperthermic, or thought maybe it might have been a mistake to do the ride in such hot weather, but they denied it. They did carry a lot of water, and I noticed how they hosed themselves down immediately after they returned to my place. I think I used to be able to do that kind of thing, but I surely can't anymore.

Then there's the winter:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N2CblIavxRwIIf_eYvQLwEKIHRGELiro/view?usp=sharing

“To me, it doesn’t matter whether it’s raining or the sun is shining or whatever: as long as I’m riding a bike I know I’m the luckiest guy in the world.” - Mark Cavendish.

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 2:51:45 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> My son, age 30, and his buddy, who are both pretty decent riders and big fans of Felt bicycles, did our local "short snort" ride (about 12 miles but quite a bit of climbing) yesterday when it was 110. I asked them if they had any moments during the ride where they felt hyperthermic, or thought maybe it might have been a mistake to do the ride in such hot weather, but they denied it. They did carry a lot of water, and I noticed how they hosed themselves down immediately after they returned to my place. I think I used to be able to do that kind of thing, but I surely can't anymore.
If you look at the climate change garbage from the media and NOAA and NASA the thing that pops out at you is that they start in 1960 and almost ALL of them misrepresent the heat of the 70's.

The 1930;s were easily the hottest years on record and this was world wide. The pretense is that the Dust Bowl never occurred.

Today we have the media telling us that a single week of hot weather is proof of climate change when it is no such thing. https://jermwarfare.com/podcast/tony-heller

Don't you think it's time that stupid people stop telling us about things they know nothing about?

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 5:51:45 AM UTC-4, William Crowell wrote:
> My son, age 30, and his buddy, who are both pretty decent riders and big fans of Felt bicycles, did our local "short snort" ride (about 12 miles but quite a bit of climbing) yesterday when it was 110. I asked them if they had any moments during the ride where they felt hyperthermic, or thought maybe it might have been a mistake to do the ride in such hot weather, but they denied it. They did carry a lot of water, and I noticed how they hosed themselves down immediately after they returned to my place. I think I used to be able to do that kind of thing, but I surely can't anymore.

I've done touring out west in high heat, with some riding over 110 degrees. To me, it's no fun at all.

But I note that Jeff's weather station was recording 16% humidity. That would be unheard of in Ohio.
Back when I used to visit Portland frequently, I eventually figured out that when scorching heat
hits there, it's typically a very dry air mass from the desert. When scorching heat arrives here,
it's absolutely sodden with humidity from the Gulf states.

This makes a big difference in personal cooling, and in preventing dehydration. Evaporative cooling
just doesn't work well with high humidity.

Drivel: On my first extended trip out west in 1970, my friend and I encountered cars with cylindrical
evaporative air conditioners hanging out their windows. As newly graduated engineers, we were pretty
interested. We'd never seen such a thing back east, doubtlessly because they would have worked
poorly if they worked at all. And we soon realized we could keep our butter from melting by just covering its container with a moist rag.

- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 11:27:23 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Don't you think it's time that stupid people stop telling us about things they know nothing about?

Absolutely! But there goes that irony meter again! :-)

- Frank Krygowski

On 9/7/2022 10:30 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 5:51:45 AM UTC-4, William Crowell wrote:
>> My son, age 30, and his buddy, who are both pretty decent riders and big fans of Felt bicycles, did our local "short snort" ride (about 12 miles but quite a bit of climbing) yesterday when it was 110. I asked them if they had any moments during the ride where they felt hyperthermic, or thought maybe it might have been a mistake to do the ride in such hot weather, but they denied it. They did carry a lot of water, and I noticed how they hosed themselves down immediately after they returned to my place. I think I used to be able to do that kind of thing, but I surely can't anymore.
>
> I've done touring out west in high heat, with some riding over 110 degrees. To me, it's no fun at all.
>
> But I note that Jeff's weather station was recording 16% humidity. That would be unheard of in Ohio.
> Back when I used to visit Portland frequently, I eventually figured out that when scorching heat
> hits there, it's typically a very dry air mass from the desert. When scorching heat arrives here,
> it's absolutely sodden with humidity from the Gulf states.
>
> This makes a big difference in personal cooling, and in preventing dehydration. Evaporative cooling
> just doesn't work well with high humidity.
>
> Drivel: On my first extended trip out west in 1970, my friend and I encountered cars with cylindrical
> evaporative air conditioners hanging out their windows. As newly graduated engineers, we were pretty
> interested. We'd never seen such a thing back east, doubtlessly because they would have worked
> poorly if they worked at all. And we soon realized we could keep our butter from melting by just covering its container with a moist rag.
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>

Ahh, the wisdom of The Ancients:

https://www.answers.com/Q/Why_does_putting_a_cloth_over_a_canteen_help_it_stay_cool

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 08:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>But I note that Jeff's weather station was recording 16% humidity.

My number is probably wrong. It really was showing 16% yesterday.
However, my neighbors much more accurate WeatherFlow Tempest weather
station was showing RH around 34% yesterday afternoon.

Neighbor's wx station:
<https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KCABENLO56/table/2022-09-6/2022-09-6/daily>
<https://tempestwx.com/station/76665/> (forecast page)
<https://tempestwx.com/station/76665/grid>
<https://weatherflow.com/tempest-weather-system/>
History graph of RH for last few days:
<https://tempestwx.com/station/76665/graph/204700/humidity/4>

My desktop weather stations is much cheaper. Acurite 00384HD.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/AcuRite-Digital-Color-Display-Wireless-Indoor-Outdoor-Thermometer-00384HD/311697358>

I suspect there's something wrong with the wireless outdoor sensor.
Right now, it's reporting 45%, which is a more typical number. I
should have done a sanity check but forgot.

--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 11:51:08 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>Ahh, the wisdom of The Ancients:
>https://www.answers.com/Q/Why_does_putting_a_cloth_over_a_canteen_help_it_stay_cool

Instead of a water bottle, I carry a water bottle with a spray nozzle.
When I get hot, I spray a fine mist over my head. The fine mist
evaporates quickly and seems to provide faster cooling effect. If I
need some water to drink, I just unscrew the spray nozzle cap.
Something like these:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=fine+mist+clear+plastic+spray+bottle&tbm=isch>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 1:17:46 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 11:51:08 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >Ahh, the wisdom of The Ancients:
> >https://www.answers.com/Q/Why_does_putting_a_cloth_over_a_canteen_help_it_stay_cool
> Instead of a water bottle, I carry a water bottle with a spray nozzle.
> When I get hot, I spray a fine mist over my head. The fine mist
> evaporates quickly and seems to provide faster cooling effect. If I
> need some water to drink, I just unscrew the spray nozzle cap.
> Something like these:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=fine+mist+clear+plastic+spray+bottle&tbm=isch>

It may have been the last time we were out west, when we visited a Hopi reservation, that we
bought a "Cool Blast" bottle by "Misty Mate." It's a heavy walled bottle with a pump handle, almost
as if you spliced a bike mini pump into a tall bike water bottle. It feeds a ~2 foot hose with a valve
and mist nozzle. The entire package rides in a nylon bag with a shoulder strap. Pump it up
and open the valve, and a very fine water spray does a nice job of cooling you if you're out west.
Back east, it doesn't work nearly as well.

- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 11:27:23 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 2:51:45 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> > My son, age 30, and his buddy, who are both pretty decent riders and big fans of Felt bicycles, did our local "short snort" ride (about 12 miles but quite a bit of climbing) yesterday when it was 110. I asked them if they had any moments during the ride where they felt hyperthermic, or thought maybe it might have been a mistake to do the ride in such hot weather, but they denied it. They did carry a lot of water, and I noticed how they hosed themselves down immediately after they returned to my place. I think I used to be able to do that kind of thing, but I surely can't anymore.
> If you look at the climate change garbage from the media and NOAA and NASA the thing that pops out at you is that they start in 1960 and almost ALL of them misrepresent the heat of the 70's.
>
> The 1930;s were easily the hottest years on record and this was world wide. The pretense is that the Dust Bowl never occurred.
>
> Today we have the media telling us that a single week of hot weather is proof of climate change when it is no such thing. https://jermwarfare.com/podcast/tony-heller
>
> Don't you think it's time that stupid people stop telling us about things they know nothing about?

Yes tom, we've been telling you that for years: you're stupid, please stop.

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 9:51:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/7/2022 10:30 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 5:51:45 AM UTC-4, William Crowell wrote:
> >> My son, age 30, and his buddy, who are both pretty decent riders and big fans of Felt bicycles, did our local "short snort" ride (about 12 miles but quite a bit of climbing) yesterday when it was 110. I asked them if they had any moments during the ride where they felt hyperthermic, or thought maybe it might have been a mistake to do the ride in such hot weather, but they denied it. They did carry a lot of water, and I noticed how they hosed themselves down immediately after they returned to my place. I think I used to be able to do that kind of thing, but I surely can't anymore.
> >
> > I've done touring out west in high heat, with some riding over 110 degrees. To me, it's no fun at all.
> >
> > But I note that Jeff's weather station was recording 16% humidity. That would be unheard of in Ohio.
> > Back when I used to visit Portland frequently, I eventually figured out that when scorching heat
> > hits there, it's typically a very dry air mass from the desert. When scorching heat arrives here,
> > it's absolutely sodden with humidity from the Gulf states.
> >
> > This makes a big difference in personal cooling, and in preventing dehydration. Evaporative cooling
> > just doesn't work well with high humidity.
> >
> > Drivel: On my first extended trip out west in 1970, my friend and I encountered cars with cylindrical
> > evaporative air conditioners hanging out their windows. As newly graduated engineers, we were pretty
> > interested. We'd never seen such a thing back east, doubtlessly because they would have worked
> > poorly if they worked at all. And we soon realized we could keep our butter from melting by just covering its container with a moist rag.
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> Ahh, the wisdom of The Ancients:
>
> https://www.answers.com/Q/Why_does_putting_a_cloth_over_a_canteen_help_it_stay_cool

This is what is happening when I lift the lid off of a hot cup of coffee. The state change of the coffee from liquid to vapor carries away the heat. This goes on until the heat of the coffee is low enough to be drinkable and you drink it or the heat transfer changes from state change to conduction to the cooler air around it and cools to room temperature.

On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 10:17:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 11:51:08 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>Ahh, the wisdom of The Ancients:
>>https://www.answers.com/Q/Why_does_putting_a_cloth_over_a_canteen_help_it_stay_cool
>
>Instead of a water bottle, I carry a water bottle with a spray nozzle.
>When I get hot, I spray a fine mist over my head. The fine mist
>evaporates quickly and seems to provide faster cooling effect. If I
>need some water to drink, I just unscrew the spray nozzle cap.
>Something like these:
><https://www.google.com/search?q=fine+mist+clear+plastic+spray+bottle&tbm=isch>

That wouldn't work for me riding in florida's 90+ temp at 70+
humidity. I'll drink four 24 oz bottles of water on my regular 40 mile
rides and I'll still lose 4 or 5 llbs until I re-hydrate. I don't add
any liquid for evaperative body cooling. I am sweating a gallon and a
half most if which is going to evaporate and keep me cool(er)

On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 08:31:55 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 11:27:23 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Don't you think it's time that stupid people stop telling us about things they know nothing about?
>
>Absolutely! But there goes that irony meter again! :-)
>
>- Frank Krygowski

Often refereed to as "shooting oneself in the foot" (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 18:36:49 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 10:17:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 11:51:08 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Ahh, the wisdom of The Ancients:
>>>https://www.answers.com/Q/Why_does_putting_a_cloth_over_a_canteen_help_it_stay_cool
>>
>>Instead of a water bottle, I carry a water bottle with a spray nozzle.
>>When I get hot, I spray a fine mist over my head. The fine mist
>>evaporates quickly and seems to provide faster cooling effect. If I
>>need some water to drink, I just unscrew the spray nozzle cap.
>>Something like these:
>><https://www.google.com/search?q=fine+mist+clear+plastic+spray+bottle&tbm=isch>

>That wouldn't work for me riding in florida's 90+ temp at 70+
>humidity. I'll drink four 24 oz bottles of water on my regular 40 mile
>rides and I'll still lose 4 or 5 llbs until I re-hydrate. I don't add
>any liquid for evaperative body cooling. I am sweating a gallon and a
>half most if which is going to evaporate and keep me cool(er)

Wow. It's great that you can do that. I don't recall ever sweating
that much when I was in much better shape. (I'm now 74 years
ancient). I visited Coral Gables long ago for a job interview. I
could barely handle the heat and high humidity. Fortunately, I didn't
get the job. I do better when it's cold. Most of my exercise is
either hiking and firewood cutting, hauling, and splitting, which are
much easier thank cycling. Using the spray bottle works fine for
those activities. For long rides in high temp/RH weather, hydration
accessories are probably a better idea.

In my area (left coast of California), the humidity is much lower.
This is the log file from my neighbors nifty weather stations:
<https://tempestwx.com/station/76665/graph/204700/humidity/4>
Try moving the horizontal scroll bar to see further back in time.
During the current heat wave, the daytime average RH seems to be about
35%, which is quite comfortable. Scrolling back to before the heat
wave, RH varies from 50 - 100% and averaging 75%. After midnight to
early morning, the humidity might climb to almost 100%, but because
the corresponding temperatures are lower at those times, it's not a
problem.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 10:27:23 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 2:51:45 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> > My son, age 30, and his buddy, who are both pretty decent riders and big fans of Felt bicycles, did our local "short snort" ride (about 12 miles but quite a bit of climbing) yesterday when it was 110. I asked them if they had any moments during the ride where they felt hyperthermic, or thought maybe it might have been a mistake to do the ride in such hot weather, but they denied it. They did carry a lot of water, and I noticed how they hosed themselves down immediately after they returned to my place. I think I used to be able to do that kind of thing, but I surely can't anymore.
> If you look at the climate change garbage from the media and NOAA and NASA the thing that pops out at you is that they start in 1960 and almost ALL of them misrepresent the heat of the 70's.
>
> The 1930;s were easily the hottest years on record and this was world wide. The pretense is that the Dust Bowl never occurred.

Tommy the liar again.
https://www.almanac.com/extra/hottest-decade-record
"16 Warmest Years (1880-2015)
The following table lists the global combined land and ocean annually-averaged temperature rank and anomaly for each of the 16 (two tied at #15) warmest years on record."
If you go to the above link and scroll down to the first table, you will see it listing the hottest years. All, except one, were in the 2000s. Other was 1998. And Tommy, the history measured is 1880-2015. So that includes the 1930s. Just in case you did not realize that. 1930 was after 1880.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-13/climate-change-made-the-last-eight-years-the-hottest-on-record#:~:text=The%202010s%20were%20by%20far,prior%20one%20since%20the%201960s.
"The last eight years were the hottest in global records that date to 1880, with 2021 ranking as the sixth-hottest year, according to analyses of global weather station and ocean measurements released Thursday by NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies and the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Last year’s global average temperature was a bit more than 1° Celsius higher than the 1880-1900 average."
"The 2010s were by far the hottest decade on record. Every decade has averaged hotter than the prior one since the 1960s."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_North_American_heat_wave#:~:text=The%201930s%20(the%20Dust%20Bowl,in%20the%20Americas%20in%20centuries.
"Summer 1936 still remains the warmest summer on record in the USA (since official records begin in 1895). However February 1936 was the coldest February on record, and 5 of the 12 months were below average, leaving the full year 1936 at just above the average."
"The 1930s (the Dust Bowl years) are remembered as the driest and warmest decade for the United States, and the summer of 1936 featured the most widespread and destructive heat wave to occur in the Americas in centuries."
Note, the above sentence says "are remembered as the driest and warmest decade for the United States". Remembered. Not measured, fact based. Remembered. And while it may have been dry and warm in the USA, that does not tell us what the rest of the world was experiencing. Was the weather in Europe and Asia and Africa and South America normal temperature and precipitation? Also, keep in mind the US and most of the rest of the world were experiencing a recession, depression, during the 1930s. So I suspect the bad weather was amplified in their minds. If you are hungry and unemployed, then temps in the 60s feel like a blizzard and a drizzle is just like a hurricane.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/national/202207
"July Temperature
The contiguous U.S. average temperature during July was 76.4°F, 2.8°F above the 20th century average, ranking third warmest in the 128-year record.
Generally, temperatures were above average and/or record-warm across nearly all of the Lower 48.
Texas experienced its warmest July, May-July and April-July on record."

>
> Today we have the media telling us that a single week of hot weather is proof of climate change when it is no such thing. https://jermwarfare.com/podcast/tony-heller
>

Tommy, go up to my posting about the 1930s and Dust Bowl from Wikipedia. 1936 was remembered as being driest and warmest. But just a couple summer months were like that. 5 of 12 months that year were below average. And February 1936 was record cold. On average for the whole year of 1936, it was just an average year. Despite having a few dry and warm summer months. So this disproves your single week of hot weather argument. If you look at yearly totals and averages, 2022 will be one of the driest and warmest overall.

> Don't you think it's time that stupid people stop telling us about things they know nothing about?

On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 08:27:21 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>Today we have the media telling us that a single week of
>hot weather is proof of climate change when it is
>no such thing. https://jermwarfare.com/podcast/tony-heller

Please fine a better source. In the past, you preferred authoritative
opinions from recognized experts. So, what changed your preference?

"Steven Goddard (Tony Heller)"
<https://www.desmog.com/steven-goddard/>

>Don't you think it's time that stupid people stop telling us about things they know nothing about?

I agree. When do you plan to stop?
(Sorry, but that was far too tempting to ignore).

--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 16:46:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 18:36:49 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 10:17:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 11:51:08 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ahh, the wisdom of The Ancients:
>>>>https://www.answers.com/Q/Why_does_putting_a_cloth_over_a_canteen_help_it_stay_cool
>>>
>>>Instead of a water bottle, I carry a water bottle with a spray nozzle.
>>>When I get hot, I spray a fine mist over my head. The fine mist
>>>evaporates quickly and seems to provide faster cooling effect. If I
>>>need some water to drink, I just unscrew the spray nozzle cap.
>>>Something like these:
>>><https://www.google.com/search?q=fine+mist+clear+plastic+spray+bottle&tbm=isch>
>
>>That wouldn't work for me riding in florida's 90+ temp at 70+
>>humidity. I'll drink four 24 oz bottles of water on my regular 40 mile
>>rides and I'll still lose 4 or 5 llbs until I re-hydrate. I don't add
>>any liquid for evaperative body cooling. I am sweating a gallon and a
>>half most if which is going to evaporate and keep me cool(er)
>
>Wow. It's great that you can do that. I don't recall ever sweating
>that much when I was in much better shape. (I'm now 74 years
>ancient). I visited Coral Gables long ago for a job interview. I
>could barely handle the heat and high humidity. Fortunately, I didn't
>get the job. I do better when it's cold. Most of my exercise is
>either hiking and firewood cutting, hauling, and splitting, which are
>much easier thank cycling. Using the spray bottle works fine for
>those activities. For long rides in high temp/RH weather, hydration
>accessories are probably a better idea.
>
>In my area (left coast of California), the humidity is much lower.
>This is the log file from my neighbors nifty weather stations:
><https://tempestwx.com/station/76665/graph/204700/humidity/4>
>Try moving the horizontal scroll bar to see further back in time.
>During the current heat wave, the daytime average RH seems to be about
>35%, which is quite comfortable. Scrolling back to before the heat
>wave, RH varies from 50 - 100% and averaging 75%. After midnight to
>early morning, the humidity might climb to almost 100%, but because
>the corresponding temperatures are lower at those times, it's not a
>problem.

Five years ago I was riding 70 miles twice a week and I still have all
of my 6 water bottle cages on the Catrike. Now, a few weeks away from
78 years old, I struggle with 40 miles and my average speed has
dropped from around 17 MPH to 13 MPH. Of course my rides are in
Florida and don't involve any serious climbing, but they usually
involve heat. My bike computer said it got to 97 last Tuesday. I ride
almost exclusively on bike trails and it seems to register a bit
hotter on the asphault.

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 2:00:23 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 16:46:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 18:36:49 -0400, Catrike Rider
> ><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 10:17:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 11:51:08 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Ahh, the wisdom of The Ancients:
> >>>>https://www.answers.com/Q/Why_does_putting_a_cloth_over_a_canteen_help_it_stay_cool
> >>>
> >>>Instead of a water bottle, I carry a water bottle with a spray nozzle.
> >>>When I get hot, I spray a fine mist over my head. The fine mist
> >>>evaporates quickly and seems to provide faster cooling effect. If I
> >>>need some water to drink, I just unscrew the spray nozzle cap.
> >>>Something like these:
> >>><https://www.google.com/search?q=fine+mist+clear+plastic+spray+bottle&tbm=isch>
> >
> >>That wouldn't work for me riding in florida's 90+ temp at 70+
> >>humidity. I'll drink four 24 oz bottles of water on my regular 40 mile
> >>rides and I'll still lose 4 or 5 llbs until I re-hydrate. I don't add
> >>any liquid for evaperative body cooling. I am sweating a gallon and a
> >>half most if which is going to evaporate and keep me cool(er)
> >
> >Wow. It's great that you can do that. I don't recall ever sweating
> >that much when I was in much better shape. (I'm now 74 years
> >ancient). I visited Coral Gables long ago for a job interview. I
> >could barely handle the heat and high humidity. Fortunately, I didn't
> >get the job. I do better when it's cold. Most of my exercise is
> >either hiking and firewood cutting, hauling, and splitting, which are
> >much easier thank cycling. Using the spray bottle works fine for
> >those activities. For long rides in high temp/RH weather, hydration
> >accessories are probably a better idea.
> >
> >In my area (left coast of California), the humidity is much lower.
> >This is the log file from my neighbors nifty weather stations:
> ><https://tempestwx.com/station/76665/graph/204700/humidity/4>
> >Try moving the horizontal scroll bar to see further back in time.
> >During the current heat wave, the daytime average RH seems to be about
> >35%, which is quite comfortable. Scrolling back to before the heat
> >wave, RH varies from 50 - 100% and averaging 75%. After midnight to
> >early morning, the humidity might climb to almost 100%, but because
> >the corresponding temperatures are lower at those times, it's not a
> >problem.
> Five years ago I was riding 70 miles twice a week and I still have all
> of my 6 water bottle cages on the Catrike. Now, a few weeks away from
> 78 years old, I struggle with 40 miles and my average speed has
> dropped from around 17 MPH to 13 MPH. Of course my rides are in
> Florida and don't involve any serious climbing, but they usually
> involve heat. My bike computer said it got to 97 last Tuesday. I ride
> almost exclusively on bike trails and it seems to register a bit
> hotter on the asphault.

In the last 12 months I have only done about 4500 miles but I have also climbed 118,000 feet. So I've traded speed and distance for climbing.

On Thu, 08 Sep 2022 05:00:18 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>Five years ago I was riding 70 miles twice a week and I still have all
>of my 6 water bottle cages on the Catrike. Now, a few weeks away from
>78 years old, I struggle with 40 miles and my average speed has
>dropped from around 17 MPH to 13 MPH.

That's still quite impressive. I've been struggling with diminishing
stamina and strength since about 2001, when the family curse of
cardiovascular problems first arrived. Basically, the lack of
sufficient blood flow, and therefore the lack of oxygen, limits what I
can do. It doesn't seem to matter what I do to improve stamina and
strength, the lack of available oxygen puts an upper limit on what I
can do. Predictably, as I accumulate additional maladies, injuries,
and wear-n-tear, my strength and stamina continue to decrease. Since
I haven't ridden anything beyond various exercise machines, I have no
idea what my distance and speed would be on a bicycle. Fortunately, I
can still walk and hike. Some Strava (hiking) logs:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/103870441>
2.5 miles and 483 ft elevation doesn't sound like much, but it's the
best I can do. If you're worried about your losses in distances and
speed, think about how much better you're doing than me.

>Of course my rides are in
>Florida and don't involve any serious climbing, but they usually
>involve heat. My bike computer said it got to 97 last Tuesday. I ride
>almost exclusively on bike trails and it seems to register a bit
>hotter on the asphault.

We've been having a heat wave for the last 2 weeks. No hikes until it
cools down. I do very badly in the heat. Prediction for today is
102F and about 35% average RH.
<https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?w0=t&w3u=1&w6=rh&w11u=1&w12u=1&AheadHour=0&Submit=Submit&FcstType=graphical&textField1=37.0813&textField2=-122.093&site=all&unit=0&dd=&bw=>

Yes. It's hotter on asphalt than concrete. Probably more than you
want to know about albedo:

"Pavement Thermal Performance And Contribution To Urban And Global
Climate"
<https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/pavement/sustainability/articles/pavement_thermal.cfm>
"Typical albedo values range from 0.04 to 0.16 for asphalt pavements
and from 0.18 to 0.35 for concrete pavements..."
"With [asphalt] pavement albedo values around 0.10, extreme high
pavement surface temperatures of 158 to 176 °F (70 to 80 °C) have been
measured on hot summer days in mid-afternoon in Phoenix, Arizona, and
up to 158 °F (70 °C) for similar pavements in Davis, California..."

Hint: Ride on the more reflective white lane lines.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thu, 8 Sep 2022 11:45:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 2:00:23 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 16:46:21 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 18:36:49 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> ><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 10:17:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>> >>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 11:51:08 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>Ahh, the wisdom of The Ancients:
>> >>>>https://www.answers.com/Q/Why_does_putting_a_cloth_over_a_canteen_help_it_stay_cool
>> >>>
>> >>>Instead of a water bottle, I carry a water bottle with a spray nozzle.
>> >>>When I get hot, I spray a fine mist over my head. The fine mist
>> >>>evaporates quickly and seems to provide faster cooling effect. If I
>> >>>need some water to drink, I just unscrew the spray nozzle cap.
>> >>>Something like these:
>> >>><https://www.google.com/search?q=fine+mist+clear+plastic+spray+bottle&tbm=isch>
>> >
>> >>That wouldn't work for me riding in florida's 90+ temp at 70+
>> >>humidity. I'll drink four 24 oz bottles of water on my regular 40 mile
>> >>rides and I'll still lose 4 or 5 llbs until I re-hydrate. I don't add
>> >>any liquid for evaperative body cooling. I am sweating a gallon and a
>> >>half most if which is going to evaporate and keep me cool(er)
>> >
>> >Wow. It's great that you can do that. I don't recall ever sweating
>> >that much when I was in much better shape. (I'm now 74 years
>> >ancient). I visited Coral Gables long ago for a job interview. I
>> >could barely handle the heat and high humidity. Fortunately, I didn't
>> >get the job. I do better when it's cold. Most of my exercise is
>> >either hiking and firewood cutting, hauling, and splitting, which are
>> >much easier thank cycling. Using the spray bottle works fine for
>> >those activities. For long rides in high temp/RH weather, hydration
>> >accessories are probably a better idea.
>> >
>> >In my area (left coast of California), the humidity is much lower.
>> >This is the log file from my neighbors nifty weather stations:
>> ><https://tempestwx.com/station/76665/graph/204700/humidity/4>
>> >Try moving the horizontal scroll bar to see further back in time.
>> >During the current heat wave, the daytime average RH seems to be about
>> >35%, which is quite comfortable. Scrolling back to before the heat
>> >wave, RH varies from 50 - 100% and averaging 75%. After midnight to
>> >early morning, the humidity might climb to almost 100%, but because
>> >the corresponding temperatures are lower at those times, it's not a
>> >problem.
>> Five years ago I was riding 70 miles twice a week and I still have all
>> of my 6 water bottle cages on the Catrike. Now, a few weeks away from
>> 78 years old, I struggle with 40 miles and my average speed has
>> dropped from around 17 MPH to 13 MPH. Of course my rides are in
>> Florida and don't involve any serious climbing, but they usually
>> involve heat. My bike computer said it got to 97 last Tuesday. I ride
>> almost exclusively on bike trails and it seems to register a bit
>> hotter on the asphault.
>
>
>In the last 12 months I have only done about 4500 miles but I have also climbed 118,000 feet. So I've traded speed and distance for climbing.

My Catrike alone weighs over 35 lbs. Add to that 14/15 lbs for water,
spare parts and tools, and I'm glad I don't need to climb hills.
Recumbents are nototiously bad climbing anyway because you can't get
up and stand on the pedals.

On Thu, 8 Sep 2022 11:45:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>In the last 12 months I have only done about 4500 miles but I have also climbed 118,000 feet. So I've traded speed and distance for climbing.

Let's see how that works:
4500 miles / 365 days = 12.3 miles/day
At an estimated 15 miles/hr average speed, that's:
1 / 12.3 miles/day / 15 miles/hr = 1.22 hrs/day

Each ride is 12.3 miles long or:
12.3 miles * 5280 ft/mile = 65,000 ft/ride

The elevation gain per ride is:
118,000 ft / 365 days = 323 ft elevation gain per ride.

Therefore, the average slope would is:
323 / 65,000 * 100% = 0.497% slope.
or
arctan(323 ft / 65,000 ft) = arctan(0.00497) = 0.285 degrees

Congratulations. Your numbers pass my sanity check and appear to be
quite probable. However, I don't think a 0.28 degree average slope
constitutes much of feat in climbing. I calculated the average slope
of 10 random SF Bay area rides, from a month ago, which I found on
Strava. The idea was to avoid any rides in the current heat wave.
Most were in the 1 degree slope region. Nicely done, but hardly
exceptional.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 10:32:18 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Sep 2022 11:45:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >In the last 12 months I have only done about 4500 miles but I have also climbed 118,000 feet. So I've traded speed and distance for climbing.
> Let's see how that works:
> 4500 miles / 365 days = 12.3 miles/day
> At an estimated 15 miles/hr average speed, that's:
> 1 / 12.3 miles/day / 15 miles/hr = 1.22 hrs/day
>
> Each ride is 12.3 miles long or:
> 12.3 miles * 5280 ft/mile = 65,000 ft/ride
>
> The elevation gain per ride is:
> 118,000 ft / 365 days = 323 ft elevation gain per ride.
>
> Therefore, the average slope would is:
> 323 / 65,000 * 100% = 0.497% slope.
> or
> arctan(323 ft / 65,000 ft) = arctan(0.00497) = 0.285 degrees

Jeff, the way you calculated the slope, climb, is for every single mile. So every mile ridden is 0.285 degrees. Always riding uphill. Slight uphill, but still up. That sounds kind of like the old tales of walking 5 miles to school uphill and against a headwind. And walking home from school 5 miles uphill and against a headwind. Now it is possible to have a headwind going to and from school. But I don't think it can be uphill both directions.

Now I am ignoring the fact we are talking about Tommy. I'm sure in his mind he is always riding uphill or into a headwind to prove how tough he is. Even if he rides back home on every ride. Its uphill all the way for Tommy.. Somehow.

>
> Congratulations. Your numbers pass my sanity check and appear to be
> quite probable. However, I don't think a 0.28 degree average slope
> constitutes much of feat in climbing. I calculated the average slope
> of 10 random SF Bay area rides, from a month ago, which I found on
> Strava. The idea was to avoid any rides in the current heat wave.
> Most were in the 1 degree slope region. Nicely done, but hardly
> exceptional.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558