If true, this would actually be pretty clever!

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>

(stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)

On 5/25/2021 6:24 AM, Don Y wrote:
> If true, this would actually be pretty clever!
>
> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>
>
> (stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)

Ya, I read about something similar with respect to desktop PSUs having
tiny ARM processors hidden in there and you can keep em powered on all
the time so long as the thing is plugged into the wall.

Just buy Corsair, don't be a cheapskate and get the HongHai.

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 6:24:32 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
> If true, this would actually be pretty clever!
>
> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>
>
> (stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)

This is probably all true.

The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

And imagine doing something like this after promising Obama they wouldn't!

On 5/26/2021 11:26 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 6:24:32 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>> If true, this would actually be pretty clever!
>>
>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>
>>
>> (stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)
>
> This is probably all true.
>
> The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies

In the years since the episode, one would think a TECHNICAL analysis
of the alleged issue would be forthcoming -- instead of pictures of
unmarked components on a PCB the schematic of which isn't available, either.

> And imagine doing something like this after promising Obama they wouldn't!

You expect a server to be used in a corporate setting/datacenter so
it is a *likely* target (shame on anyone who doesn't completely vet their
suppliers!)

The appeal of a "common household appliance" is that it is NOT the sort of
place you would look for stuff like this. Would you suspect your toaster
or garbage disposal of "being an attack vector"?

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:15:49 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
> On 5/26/2021 11:26 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 6:24:32 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
> >> If true, this would actually be pretty clever!
> >>
> >> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>
> >>
> >> (stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)
> >
> > This is probably all true.
> >
> > The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies
> In the years since the episode, one would think a TECHNICAL analysis
> of the alleged issue would be forthcoming -- instead of pictures of
> unmarked components on a PCB the schematic of which isn't available, either.
> > And imagine doing something like this after promising Obama they wouldn't!
> You expect a server to be used in a corporate setting/datacenter so
> it is a *likely* target (shame on anyone who doesn't completely vet their
> suppliers!)
>
> The appeal of a "common household appliance" is that it is NOT the sort of
> place you would look for stuff like this. Would you suspect your toaster
> or garbage disposal of "being an attack vector"?

There are better places like a nightlite, a wallwart, a LED bulb, seems endless variety of doodads permanently plugged into the line and therefor have access to plenty of power.

On 5/26/2021 3:33 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:15:49 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>> On 5/26/2021 11:26 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 6:24:32 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>>>> If true, this would actually be pretty clever!
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>
>>>>
>>>> (stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)
>>>
>>> This is probably all true.
>>>
>>> The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies
>> In the years since the episode, one would think a TECHNICAL analysis of
>> the alleged issue would be forthcoming -- instead of pictures of unmarked
>> components on a PCB the schematic of which isn't available, either.
>>> And imagine doing something like this after promising Obama they
>>> wouldn't!
>> You expect a server to be used in a corporate setting/datacenter so it is
>> a *likely* target (shame on anyone who doesn't completely vet their
>> suppliers!)
>>
>> The appeal of a "common household appliance" is that it is NOT the sort
>> of place you would look for stuff like this. Would you suspect your
>> toaster or garbage disposal of "being an attack vector"?
>
> There are better places like a nightlite, a wallwart, a LED bulb, seems
> endless variety of doodads permanently plugged into the line and therefor
> have access to plenty of power.

But you don't *need* continuous access to power! That's the beauty of the
"iron" solution -- it sees *some* use but not CONTINUOUS use.

All it has to do is rely on the fact that you likely have other
"internet appliances" that are likely to be powered on and operational
WHEN the iron gets used. It's job is to exploit the devices while it
is powered up and attempt to establish a persistent infection -- with
the potential help of an adversary outside of your protection domain.

If you detect the infection (at some later point in time), you are
unlikely to be able to trace down its source -- unless the iron
happens to be plugged in at the same time! (by contrast, an
attack vector that is continually powered leaves evidence of its
presence all the time!)

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:40:29 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
> On 5/26/2021 3:33 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:15:49 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
> >> On 5/26/2021 11:26 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 6:24:32 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
> >>>> If true, this would actually be pretty clever!
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>
> >>>>
> >>>> (stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)
> >>>
> >>> This is probably all true.
> >>>
> >>> The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies
> >> In the years since the episode, one would think a TECHNICAL analysis of
> >> the alleged issue would be forthcoming -- instead of pictures of unmarked
> >> components on a PCB the schematic of which isn't available, either.
> >>> And imagine doing something like this after promising Obama they
> >>> wouldn't!
> >> You expect a server to be used in a corporate setting/datacenter so it is
> >> a *likely* target (shame on anyone who doesn't completely vet their
> >> suppliers!)
> >>
> >> The appeal of a "common household appliance" is that it is NOT the sort
> >> of place you would look for stuff like this. Would you suspect your
> >> toaster or garbage disposal of "being an attack vector"?
> >
> > There are better places like a nightlite, a wallwart, a LED bulb, seems
> > endless variety of doodads permanently plugged into the line and therefor
> > have access to plenty of power.
> But you don't *need* continuous access to power! That's the beauty of the
> "iron" solution -- it sees *some* use but not CONTINUOUS use.
>
> All it has to do is rely on the fact that you likely have other
> "internet appliances" that are likely to be powered on and operational
> WHEN the iron gets used. It's job is to exploit the devices while it
> is powered up and attempt to establish a persistent infection -- with
> the potential help of an adversary outside of your protection domain.
>
> If you detect the infection (at some later point in time), you are
> unlikely to be able to trace down its source -- unless the iron
> happens to be plugged in at the same time! (by contrast, an
> attack vector that is continually powered leaves evidence of its
> presence all the time!)

Ummmm
https://www.computerworld.com/article/2475911/don-t-look-now-but-the-led-light-fixtures-are-spying-on-you.html

You probably have some kind of chip capsule permanently lodged in your gut by now- it was the Chinese takeout that put it there.

On 5/27/2021 10:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:40:29 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>> On 5/26/2021 3:33 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:15:49 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>>>> On 5/26/2021 11:26 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 6:24:32 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>>>>>> If true, this would actually be pretty clever!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)
>>>>>
>>>>> This is probably all true.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies
>>>> In the years since the episode, one would think a TECHNICAL analysis of
>>>> the alleged issue would be forthcoming -- instead of pictures of unmarked
>>>> components on a PCB the schematic of which isn't available, either.
>>>>> And imagine doing something like this after promising Obama they
>>>>> wouldn't!
>>>> You expect a server to be used in a corporate setting/datacenter so it is
>>>> a *likely* target (shame on anyone who doesn't completely vet their
>>>> suppliers!)
>>>>
>>>> The appeal of a "common household appliance" is that it is NOT the sort
>>>> of place you would look for stuff like this. Would you suspect your
>>>> toaster or garbage disposal of "being an attack vector"?
>>>
>>> There are better places like a nightlite, a wallwart, a LED bulb, seems
>>> endless variety of doodads permanently plugged into the line and therefor
>>> have access to plenty of power.
>> But you don't *need* continuous access to power! That's the beauty of the
>> "iron" solution -- it sees *some* use but not CONTINUOUS use.
>>
>> All it has to do is rely on the fact that you likely have other
>> "internet appliances" that are likely to be powered on and operational
>> WHEN the iron gets used. It's job is to exploit the devices while it
>> is powered up and attempt to establish a persistent infection -- with
>> the potential help of an adversary outside of your protection domain.
>>
>> If you detect the infection (at some later point in time), you are
>> unlikely to be able to trace down its source -- unless the iron
>> happens to be plugged in at the same time! (by contrast, an
>> attack vector that is continually powered leaves evidence of its
>> presence all the time!)
>
> Ummmm
> https://www.computerworld.com/article/2475911/don-t-look-now-but-the-led-light-fixtures-are-spying-on-you.html
>
> You probably have some kind of chip capsule permanently lodged in your gut by now- it was the Chinese takeout that put it there.
>

Free market: <https://imgur.com/a/v7n5Hf8>

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 10:17:17 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> On 5/27/2021 10:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:40:29 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
> >> On 5/26/2021 3:33 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:15:49 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
> >>>> On 5/26/2021 11:26 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 6:24:32 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
> >>>>>> If true, this would actually be pretty clever!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is probably all true.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies
> >>>> In the years since the episode, one would think a TECHNICAL analysis of
> >>>> the alleged issue would be forthcoming -- instead of pictures of unmarked
> >>>> components on a PCB the schematic of which isn't available, either.
> >>>>> And imagine doing something like this after promising Obama they
> >>>>> wouldn't!
> >>>> You expect a server to be used in a corporate setting/datacenter so it is
> >>>> a *likely* target (shame on anyone who doesn't completely vet their
> >>>> suppliers!)
> >>>>
> >>>> The appeal of a "common household appliance" is that it is NOT the sort
> >>>> of place you would look for stuff like this. Would you suspect your
> >>>> toaster or garbage disposal of "being an attack vector"?
> >>>
> >>> There are better places like a nightlite, a wallwart, a LED bulb, seems
> >>> endless variety of doodads permanently plugged into the line and therefor
> >>> have access to plenty of power.
> >> But you don't *need* continuous access to power! That's the beauty of the
> >> "iron" solution -- it sees *some* use but not CONTINUOUS use.
> >>
> >> All it has to do is rely on the fact that you likely have other
> >> "internet appliances" that are likely to be powered on and operational
> >> WHEN the iron gets used. It's job is to exploit the devices while it
> >> is powered up and attempt to establish a persistent infection -- with
> >> the potential help of an adversary outside of your protection domain.
> >>
> >> If you detect the infection (at some later point in time), you are
> >> unlikely to be able to trace down its source -- unless the iron
> >> happens to be plugged in at the same time! (by contrast, an
> >> attack vector that is continually powered leaves evidence of its
> >> presence all the time!)
> >
> > Ummmm
> > https://www.computerworld.com/article/2475911/don-t-look-now-but-the-led-light-fixtures-are-spying-on-you.html
> >
> > You probably have some kind of chip capsule permanently lodged in your gut by now- it was the Chinese takeout that put it there.
> >
> Free market: <https://imgur.com/a/v7n5Hf8>

If only! Three of the most worthless people of all time.

On Thu, 27 May 2021 07:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:40:29 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>> On 5/26/2021 3:33 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:15:49 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>> >> On 5/26/2021 11:26 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> >>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 6:24:32 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>> >>>> If true, this would actually be pretty clever!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> (stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)
>> >>>
>> >>> This is probably all true.
>> >>>
>> >>> The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies
>> >> In the years since the episode, one would think a TECHNICAL analysis of
>> >> the alleged issue would be forthcoming -- instead of pictures of unmarked
>> >> components on a PCB the schematic of which isn't available, either.
>> >>> And imagine doing something like this after promising Obama they
>> >>> wouldn't!
>> >> You expect a server to be used in a corporate setting/datacenter so it is
>> >> a *likely* target (shame on anyone who doesn't completely vet their
>> >> suppliers!)
>> >>
>> >> The appeal of a "common household appliance" is that it is NOT the sort
>> >> of place you would look for stuff like this. Would you suspect your
>> >> toaster or garbage disposal of "being an attack vector"?
>> >
>> > There are better places like a nightlite, a wallwart, a LED bulb, seems
>> > endless variety of doodads permanently plugged into the line and therefor
>> > have access to plenty of power.
>> But you don't *need* continuous access to power! That's the beauty of the
>> "iron" solution -- it sees *some* use but not CONTINUOUS use.
>>
>> All it has to do is rely on the fact that you likely have other
>> "internet appliances" that are likely to be powered on and operational
>> WHEN the iron gets used. It's job is to exploit the devices while it
>> is powered up and attempt to establish a persistent infection -- with
>> the potential help of an adversary outside of your protection domain.
>>
>> If you detect the infection (at some later point in time), you are
>> unlikely to be able to trace down its source -- unless the iron
>> happens to be plugged in at the same time! (by contrast, an
>> attack vector that is continually powered leaves evidence of its
>> presence all the time!)
>
>Ummmm
>https://www.computerworld.com/article/2475911/don-t-look-now-but-the-led-light-fixtures-are-spying-on-you.html
>
>You probably have some kind of chip capsule permanently lodged in your gut by now- it was the Chinese takeout that put it there.

I think we would have noticed chips and batteries in our dumplings.

Dumplings are the rage here now. That's cool.

https://www.uniteddumplings.com/

The shrimp toast is great, but it's not toast and it doesn't taste
like shrimp. Which evolved the thought that an oxymoron contains no
oxen and no morons.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On 5/27/2021 10:19 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 10:17:17 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
>> On 5/27/2021 10:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:40:29 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>>>> On 5/26/2021 3:33 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:15:49 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/26/2021 11:26 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 6:24:32 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>>>>>>>> If true, this would actually be pretty clever!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is probably all true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies
>>>>>> In the years since the episode, one would think a TECHNICAL analysis of
>>>>>> the alleged issue would be forthcoming -- instead of pictures of unmarked
>>>>>> components on a PCB the schematic of which isn't available, either.
>>>>>>> And imagine doing something like this after promising Obama they
>>>>>>> wouldn't!
>>>>>> You expect a server to be used in a corporate setting/datacenter so it is
>>>>>> a *likely* target (shame on anyone who doesn't completely vet their
>>>>>> suppliers!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The appeal of a "common household appliance" is that it is NOT the sort
>>>>>> of place you would look for stuff like this. Would you suspect your
>>>>>> toaster or garbage disposal of "being an attack vector"?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are better places like a nightlite, a wallwart, a LED bulb, seems
>>>>> endless variety of doodads permanently plugged into the line and therefor
>>>>> have access to plenty of power.
>>>> But you don't *need* continuous access to power! That's the beauty of the
>>>> "iron" solution -- it sees *some* use but not CONTINUOUS use.
>>>>
>>>> All it has to do is rely on the fact that you likely have other
>>>> "internet appliances" that are likely to be powered on and operational
>>>> WHEN the iron gets used. It's job is to exploit the devices while it
>>>> is powered up and attempt to establish a persistent infection -- with
>>>> the potential help of an adversary outside of your protection domain.
>>>>
>>>> If you detect the infection (at some later point in time), you are
>>>> unlikely to be able to trace down its source -- unless the iron
>>>> happens to be plugged in at the same time! (by contrast, an
>>>> attack vector that is continually powered leaves evidence of its
>>>> presence all the time!)
>>>
>>> Ummmm
>>> https://www.computerworld.com/article/2475911/don-t-look-now-but-the-led-light-fixtures-are-spying-on-you.html
>>>
>>> You probably have some kind of chip capsule permanently lodged in your gut by now- it was the Chinese takeout that put it there.
>>>
>> Free market: <https://imgur.com/a/v7n5Hf8>
>
> If only! Three of the most worthless people of all time.
>

Wasn't Ayn Rand on disability or Social Security or something? "When the
government gives you money, you take it", I guess...

On Tue, 25 May 2021 03:24:23 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

>If true, this would actually be pretty clever!
>
><https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>
>
>(stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)

LOL, looks like an IR sensor. There's another photo with them pointing
to something else.

Kind of like the fake Supermicro story that made the rounds a few
years ago.

Expect a lot more BS floating around.
--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

On 5/27/2021 10:14 AM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Tue, 25 May 2021 03:24:23 -0700, Don Y
> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
>> If true, this would actually be pretty clever!
>>
>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>
>>
>> (stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)
>
> LOL, looks like an IR sensor. There's another photo with them pointing
> to something else.
>
> Kind of like the fake Supermicro story that made the rounds a few
> years ago.
>
> Expect a lot more BS floating around.

Exactly. It wouldn't be hard for someone ELSE to produce (as in "dig up")
one of these alleged devices and publicize a legitimate teardown.

OTOH, just because these haven't been forthcoming, doesn't make
the IDEA any less clever!

E.g., you CAN buy a pwn plug -- and then sort out how to get
it surreptitiously installed. So, why can't someone MAKE
a ubiquitous device that the customer unwittingly installs?

Like an iron.

[ignoring all of the obvious "communications enabled" tech
that folks WILLINGLY install for their tech overlords...]

On 28/5/21 2:56 am, bitrex wrote:
> On 5/27/2021 10:19 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 10:17:17 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 5/27/2021 10:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:40:29 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>>>>> On 5/26/2021 3:33 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 6:15:49 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/26/2021 11:26 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 6:24:32 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
>>>>>>>>> If true, this would actually be pretty clever!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (stumbled upon while looking for something completely different!)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is probably all true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S.
>>>>>>>> Companies
>>>>>>> In the years since the episode, one would think a TECHNICAL
>>>>>>> analysis of
>>>>>>> the alleged issue would be forthcoming -- instead of pictures of
>>>>>>> unmarked
>>>>>>> components on a PCB the schematic of which isn't available, either.
>>>>>>>> And imagine doing something like this after promising Obama they
>>>>>>>> wouldn't!
>>>>>>> You expect a server to be used in a corporate setting/datacenter
>>>>>>> so it is
>>>>>>> a *likely* target (shame on anyone who doesn't completely vet their
>>>>>>> suppliers!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The appeal of a "common household appliance" is that it is NOT
>>>>>>> the sort
>>>>>>> of place you would look for stuff like this. Would you suspect your
>>>>>>> toaster or garbage disposal of "being an attack vector"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are better places like a nightlite, a wallwart, a LED bulb,
>>>>>> seems
>>>>>> endless variety of doodads permanently plugged into the line and
>>>>>> therefor
>>>>>> have access to plenty of power.
>>>>> But you don't *need* continuous access to power! That's the beauty
>>>>> of the
>>>>> "iron" solution -- it sees *some* use but not CONTINUOUS use.
>>>>>
>>>>> All it has to do is rely on the fact that you likely have other
>>>>> "internet appliances" that are likely to be powered on and operational
>>>>> WHEN the iron gets used. It's job is to exploit the devices while it
>>>>> is powered up and attempt to establish a persistent infection -- with
>>>>> the potential help of an adversary outside of your protection domain.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you detect the infection (at some later point in time), you are
>>>>> unlikely to be able to trace down its source -- unless the iron
>>>>> happens to be plugged in at the same time! (by contrast, an
>>>>> attack vector that is continually powered leaves evidence of its
>>>>> presence all the time!)
>>>>
>>>> Ummmm
>>>> https://www.computerworld.com/article/2475911/don-t-look-now-but-the-led-light-fixtures-are-spying-on-you.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You probably have some kind of chip capsule permanently lodged in
>>>> your gut by now- it was the Chinese takeout that put it there.
>>>>
>>> Free market: <https://imgur.com/a/v7n5Hf8>
>>
>> If only! Three of the most worthless people of all time.
>>
>
> Wasn't Ayn Rand on disability or Social Security or something? "When the
> government gives you money, you take it", I guess...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ayn-rand-social-security/