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* The COVID lab-leak hypothesis: what scientists do anFred Bloggs
+* Re: The COVID lab leak hypothesis: what scientists do and dont knowCursitor Doom
|+- Re: The COVID lab leak hypothesis: what scientists do and dont knowBill Sloman
|`* Re: The COVID lab leak hypothesis: what scientists do and dont knowPomegranate Bastard
| `- Re: The COVID lab leak hypothesis: what scientists do and dont knowCursitor Doom
`* Re: The COVID lab-leak hypothesis: what scientists do and don?t knowjlarkin
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 ||`- Re: The COVID lab-leak hypothesis: what scientists do and dont knowDon Y
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 | +- Re: The COVID lab-leak hypothesis: what scientists do and dont knowCursitor Doom
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It's not nearly as exciting as the public would like. But it's starting to look like the lab leak idea goes in the same bin as the 2020 election fraud.

Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Sun, 13 Jun 2021 10:29 UTC

On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>It's not nearly as exciting as the public would like. But it's starting to look like the lab leak idea goes in the same bin as the 2020 election fraud.

Both a 100% certainty, then.

>
>Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.
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>https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

Nature! LOL. You'll be quoting from Wikipedia next. :-D

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 by: Bill Sloman - Sun, 13 Jun 2021 13:44 UTC

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:30:02 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >It's not nearly as exciting as the public would like. But it's starting to look like the lab leak idea goes in the same bin as the 2020 election fraud.
>
> Both a 100% certainty, then.

Only for the extremely gullible minority.

> >Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.
> >
> >https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
>
> Nature! LOL. You'll be quoting from Wikipedia next. :-D

"Nature" is a famously heavy-weight scientific journal. Naturally Cursitor Doom won't take it seriously because it doesn't offer the conspiracy theory grace notes that he demands as an essential part of his intellectual diet - not a diet that is doing his mind any good at all, but there's no evidence that it was ever up to much anyway.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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 by: jlar...@highlandsniptechnology.com - Sun, 13 Jun 2021 14:21 UTC

On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>It's not nearly as exciting as the public would like. But it's starting to look like the lab leak idea goes in the same bin as the 2020 election fraud.
>
>Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.
>
>https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/06/13/report-wuhan-virology-laboratory-did-keep-live-bats-on-premises/

Cool. Bats in cages in Wuhan.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Sun, 13 Jun 2021 16:43 UTC

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 07:21:18 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

>On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>It's not nearly as exciting as the public would like. But it's starting to look like the lab leak idea goes in the same bin as the 2020 election fraud.
>>
>>Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.
>>
>>https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
>
>
>https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/06/13/report-wuhan-virology-laboratory-did-keep-live-bats-on-premises/
>
>Cool. Bats in cages in Wuhan.

I have it from an unimpeachable source that it was man-made. I'll post
the link when I have time. Naturally China's unofficial apologist,
Bill Sloman, will demonstrate his customary evasion and obnubilation
to that, but hopefully everyone knows where he's coming from by now.

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 by: Fred Bloggs - Sun, 13 Jun 2021 18:21 UTC

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:21:31 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >It's not nearly as exciting as the public would like. But it's starting to look like the lab leak idea goes in the same bin as the 2020 election fraud.
> >
> >Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.
> >
> >https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/06/13/report-wuhan-virology-laboratory-did-keep-live-bats-on-premises/
>
> Cool. Bats in cages in Wuhan.
>

The specific virus SARS-CoV-2 does not replicate and survive in bats.

Now if they could show WIV was holding captive Uighurs for experimentation with amping up the virulence of coronavirus, then you would have something. But to date nothing like that has been uncovered.

>
>
>
> --
>
> John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
>
> The best designs are necessarily accidental.

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 by: Pomegranate Bastard - Sun, 13 Jun 2021 18:50 UTC

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 11:29:55 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@nowhere.com>
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>On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>It's not nearly as exciting as the public would like. But it's starting to look like the lab leak idea goes in the same bin as the 2020 election fraud.
>
>Both a 100% certainty, then.
>
>>
>>Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.
>>
>>https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
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>Nature! LOL. You'll be quoting from Wikipedia next. :-D

You are a velly sirry imbecile.

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Sun, 13 Jun 2021 19:13 UTC

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 19:50:17 +0100, Pomegranate Bastard
<pommyB@aol.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 11:29:55 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@nowhere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>It's not nearly as exciting as the public would like. But it's starting to look like the lab leak idea goes in the same bin as the 2020 election fraud.
>>
>>Both a 100% certainty, then.
>>
>>>
>>>Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.
>>>
>>>https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
>>
>>Nature! LOL. You'll be quoting from Wikipedia next. :-D
>
>You are a velly sirry imbecile.

And YOU are Bill Sloman and ICTFP.

--

Britain: do the right thing and hand Australia back to China.

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 by: jlar...@highlandsniptechnology.com - Sun, 13 Jun 2021 20:27 UTC

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 11:21:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:21:31 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >It's not nearly as exciting as the public would like. But it's starting to look like the lab leak idea goes in the same bin as the 2020 election fraud.
>> >
>> >Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.
>> >
>> >https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
>> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/06/13/report-wuhan-virology-laboratory-did-keep-live-bats-on-premises/
>>
>> Cool. Bats in cages in Wuhan.
>>
>
>The specific virus SARS-CoV-2 does not replicate and survive in bats.

No, you have to work on bat viruses to make them infect humans.
Humanized mice are a good tool for that.

The news mob is swinging around from "impossible conspiracy theory"
towards "China did it."

One lefty news source is now blaming Trump for not properly exposing
the Chinese creation of covid! Really.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

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On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 7:21:31 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/06/13/report-wuhan-virology-laboratory-did-keep-live-bats-on-premises/
>
> Cool. Bats in cages in Wuhan.

So? They were experimenting on bat viruses, those hosts keep those viruses alive.
Those bats don't have COVID-19, of course, so... why is it relevant here?

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 by: Cursitor Doom - Mon, 14 Jun 2021 00:38 UTC

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 13:27:39 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 11:21:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:21:31 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >It's not nearly as exciting as the public would like. But it's starting to look like the lab leak idea goes in the same bin as the 2020 election fraud.
>>> >
>>> >Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.
>>> >
>>> >https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
>>> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/06/13/report-wuhan-virology-laboratory-did-keep-live-bats-on-premises/
>>>
>>> Cool. Bats in cages in Wuhan.
>>>
>>
>>The specific virus SARS-CoV-2 does not replicate and survive in bats.
>
>No, you have to work on bat viruses to make them infect humans.
>Humanized mice are a good tool for that.
>
>The news mob is swinging around from "impossible conspiracy theory"
>towards "China did it."

More likely they've been dragged kicking and screaming to the correct
conclusion. Better very late than never but their tardiness has not
gone unnoticed.

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On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 9:43:31 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:

> I have it from an unimpeachable source that it was man-made. I'll post
> the link when I have time.

Yeah, today is only 24 hours; is this something that can only happen in
fall, where one Sunday has 25?

Your mysterious 'unimpeachable source' wouldn't be Nostradamus, would it?

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 by: Don Y - Mon, 14 Jun 2021 01:25 UTC

On 6/13/2021 5:04 PM, whit3rd wrote:
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 7:21:31 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/06/13/report-wuhan-virology-laboratory-did-keep-live-bats-on-premises/
>>
>> Cool. Bats in cages in Wuhan.
>
> So? They were experimenting on bat viruses, those hosts keep those viruses alive.
> Those bats don't have COVID-19, of course, so... why is it relevant here?

People are notoriously poor at sorting out cause and effect.

"We won the playoffs when I wore my LUCKY GREEN SOCKS, so I'll wear
them for today's game..."

So much easier for folks who WANT to see conspiracies to make
the leap without a real, verifiable, RATIONAL causal relationship
in evidence. ("Oh, they're COVERING IT UP! That's why there's
no proof!")

3 million illegal votes for Hillary in 2016 is why she won the
popular vote. Yet, after 4 years and a special commission
(selected "fairly"? ha!) I don't see 3 thousand illegal votes
uncovered.

("Oh, they're covering it up...")

(sigh) The lack of intelligence is downright scary! You
gotta wonder what these folks do "in their day jobs" -- and
how their idiocy could potentially affect YOUR life!

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 by: Bill Sloman - Mon, 14 Jun 2021 01:27 UTC

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 2:43:31 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 07:21:18 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
> wrote:
> >On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> ><bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>It's not nearly as exciting as the public would like. But it's starting to look like the lab leak idea goes in the same bin as the 2020 election fraud.
> >>
> >>Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.
> >>
> >>https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
> >
> >
> >https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/06/13/report-wuhan-virology-laboratory-did-keep-live-bats-on-premises/
> >
> >Cool. Bats in cages in Wuhan.
>
> I have it from an unimpeachable source that it was man-made.

Cursitor Doom's idea of an unimpeachable source is one that feeds him the kind of nonsense that he likes to hear.

> I'll post the link when I have time.

But it's too long to fit in the margin of this document.

> Naturally China's unofficial apologist, Bill Sloman,

Not believing the fanciful twaddle you post about China doesn't make me an apologist for them.

> will demonstrate his customary evasion and obnubilation

Cursitor Doom has learned a new word - probably because somebody has noticed that this is what he does.

> to that, but hopefully everyone knows where he's coming from by now.

Sure. I'm coming from the idea that conclusions should be drawn from reliable facts, rather than fantasies published by people intent on attracting conspiracy theory addicts like Cursitor Doom. One conspiracy theory that I've just invented is that this is part of a plan to clean up the internet by getting the like of Cursitor Doom addicted to particular nonsense sources so that they can eventually be killed off by feeding them fatal misinformation.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 6/13/2021 6:16 PM, whit3rd wrote:
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 9:43:31 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>
>> I have it from an unimpeachable source that it was man-made. I'll post
>> the link when I have time.
>
> Yeah, today is only 24 hours; is this something that can only happen in
> fall, where one Sunday has 25?
>
> Your mysterious 'unimpeachable source' wouldn't be Nostradamus, would it?

Winnie the Pooh?

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 by: Bill Sloman - Mon, 14 Jun 2021 01:37 UTC

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 6:27:53 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 11:21:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:21:31 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >It's not nearly as exciting as the public would like. But it's starting to look like the lab leak idea goes in the same bin as the 2020 election fraud.
> >> >
> >> >Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
> >> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/06/13/report-wuhan-virology-laboratory-did-keep-live-bats-on-premises/
> >>
> >> Cool. Bats in cages in Wuhan.
> >
> >The specific virus SARS-CoV-2 does not replicate and survive in bats.
>
> No, you have to work on bat viruses to make them infect humans.
> Humanized mice are a good tool for that.

If you've got Uighurs, why bother with humanised mice?

> The news mob is swinging around from "impossible conspiracy theory" towards "China did it."

The right-wing news sources that John Larkin favours might be doing this. The reliable ones don't seem to have bothered.
> One lefty news source is now blaming Trump for not properly exposing the Chinese creation of Covid! Really.

Cite? It's trifle unrealistic to imagine that Trump could have understood how the Chinese might have created Covid-19 in the exceeding improbable situation where they might have tried to. To go from there to blaming him for not exposing that implausible case - something that is clearly way beyond his competence - would be even more bonkers.

--
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