https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/267725-orion-mak-newt-190mm-waccessories/

Here's the deal on an APO killer!
🤔🙄🔥

Leading astrophotographer Arnold Ziffel at Hooterville Observatory can drive
over to nearby Pixley to pick it up!

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 7:47:27 AM UTC-7, fred k. engels® wrote:
> Leading astrophotographer Arnold Ziffel at Hooterville Observatory can drive
> over to nearby Pixley to pick it up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl-VxNWOLKg

https://media.giphy.com/media/SuIDKboVhHgtLPG6zm/giphy.mp4

On Wednesday, 1 September 2021 at 05:31:07 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
> https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/267725-orion-mak-newt-190mm-waccessories/
>
> Here's the deal on an APO killer!
> 🤔🙄🔥

It's a good price, but people have to understand you MUST pack something like that properly (4 inches of bubble wrap which, if you don't buy it in a LARGE roll will bankrupt you) or
form-fitting styrofoam (cheaper, you can buy sheets at Home Depot) and cut it to size and shape.

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
> On Wednesday, 1 September 2021 at 05:31:07 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
> > https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/267725-orion-mak-newt-190mm-waccessories/
> >
> > Here's the deal on an APO killer!
> > 🤔🙄🔥
> It's a good price, but people have to understand you MUST pack something like that properly (4 inches of bubble wrap which, if you don't buy it in a LARGE roll will bankrupt you) or
> form-fitting styrofoam (cheaper, you can buy sheets at Home Depot) and cut it to size and shape.

Maybe he still have the original boxes?
🤔

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:51:48 AM UTC-7, fred k. engels® wrote:
> https://media.giphy.com/media/SuIDKboVhHgtLPG6zm/giphy.mp4

You no like sexy Nazi girls?
😍

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On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 5:24:52 PM UTC-7, fred k. engels® wrote:
> ALL MEMBERS - PLEASE READ - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!!
>
> Prime Minister Justin Blackface Trudeau tweeted his condolences that
> Some people will tell you the moderating on the groups can be heavy-handed,
> and there may be some truth to that, at least where one or two of the mods
> are concerned, but do what ya gotta’ do!!!!!!!

When you were a baby, must be this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGtUBPy-km4

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 11:35:27 AM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 7:47:27 AM UTC-7, fred k. engels® wrote:
> > Leading astrophotographer Arnold Ziffel at Hooterville Observatory can drive
> > over to nearby Pixley to pick it up!

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl-VxNWOLKg

That's a goat. Arnold Ziffel is a pig.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paLIAU5nhZk

....actual footage from Green Acres.

John Savard

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:31:07 AM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:
> https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/267725-orion-mak-newt-190mm-waccessories/

> Here's the deal on an APO killer!
> 🤔🙄🔥

Well, a Maksutov-Newtonian is highly corrected, and one with a 190mm aperture
is clearly valuable.

But he is selling it because he can't afford a proper mount for it, so it's clearly
not for everyone. For long-duration astrophotography, one wants an equatorial
fork mount. A Cassegrain-Maksutov might fit on one...

but of course those _can_ be expensive, although I think there are also budget
brands available.

John Savard

On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 6:42:42 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:31:07 AM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:
> > https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/267725-orion-mak-newt-190mm-waccessories/
>
> > Here's the deal on an APO killer!
> > 🤔🙄🔥
> Well, a Maksutov-Newtonian is highly corrected, and one with a 190mm aperture
> is clearly valuable.
>
> But he is selling it because he can't afford a proper mount for it, so it's clearly
> not for everyone. For long-duration astrophotography, one wants an equatorial
> fork mount. A Cassegrain-Maksutov might fit on one...
>
> but of course those _can_ be expensive, although I think there are also budget
> brands available.

Apparently equatorial fork mounts are expensive these days...

https://optcorp.com/collections/equatorial-fork-mounts

John Savard

On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 5:42:42 AM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:31:07 AM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:
> > https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/267725-orion-mak-newt-190mm-waccessories/
>
> > Here's the deal on an APO killer!
> > 🤔🙄🔥
> Well, a Maksutov-Newtonian is highly corrected, and one with a 190mm aperture
> is clearly valuable.
>
> But he is selling it because he can't afford a proper mount for it, so it's clearly
> not for everyone. For long-duration astrophotography, one wants an equatorial
> fork mount. A Cassegrain-Maksutov might fit on one...
>
> but of course those _can_ be expensive, although I think there are also budget
> brands available.
>
> John Savard

Wat wong wid EQ mounts?
Fork mounts suck!

On Thursday, 2 September 2021 at 16:45:01 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 5:42:42 AM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:31:07 AM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:
> > > https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/267725-orion-mak-newt-190mm-waccessories/
> >
> > > Here's the deal on an APO killer!
> > > 🤔🙄🔥
> > Well, a Maksutov-Newtonian is highly corrected, and one with a 190mm aperture
> > is clearly valuable.
> >
> > But he is selling it because he can't afford a proper mount for it, so it's clearly
> > not for everyone. For long-duration astrophotography, one wants an equatorial
> > fork mount. A Cassegrain-Maksutov might fit on one...
> >
> > but of course those _can_ be expensive, although I think there are also budget
> > brands available.
> >
> > John Savard
> Wat wong wid EQ mounts?
> Fork mounts suck!

They are ALL equatorial mounts, you mean GERMAN EQ mounts?
Not all forks are bad, they are much easier to use than German mounts with their inevitable reversals and (often) interferences with motors, knobs, etc. But, a good German mount today
does cost a lot of money owing to the accuracy needed to take acceptable deepsky images. Where we see the impact of this is in the plethora of "wide field" rigs designed not to task less
than perfect Chinese mounts. However, if you want something that can really be used with a long focus instrument for imaging, you are looking at $8000 or so to begin, though some
can be had used for about $4000-$5000.

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On Thursday, 2 September 2021 at 16:45:01 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 5:42:42 AM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:31:07 AM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:
> > > https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/267725-orion-mak-newt-190mm-waccessories/
> >
> > > Here's the deal on an APO killer!
> > > 🤔🙄🔥
> > Well, a Maksutov-Newtonian is highly corrected, and one with a 190mm
> > aperture
> > is clearly valuable.
> >
> > But he is selling it because he can't afford a proper mount for it, so
> > it's clearly
> > not for everyone. For long-duration astrophotography, one wants an
> > equatorial
> > fork mount. A Cassegrain-Maksutov might fit on one...
> >
> > but of course those _can_ be expensive, although I think there are also
> > budget
> > brands available.
> >
> > John Savard
> Wat wong wid EQ mounts?
> Fork mounts suck!

They are ALL equatorial mounts, you mean GERMAN EQ mounts?
Not all forks are bad, they are much easier to use than German mounts with
their inevitable reversals and (often) interferences with motors, knobs,
etc. But, a good German mount today
does cost a lot of money owing to the accuracy needed to take acceptable
deepsky images. Where we see the impact of this is in the plethora of "wide
field" rigs designed not to task less
than perfect Chinese mounts. However, if you want something that can really
be used with a long focus instrument for imaging, you are looking at $8000
or so to begin, though some
can be had used for about $4000-$5000.

On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 7:35:52 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
> On Thursday, 2 September 2021 at 16:45:01 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 5:42:42 AM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:31:07 AM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:
> > > > https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/267725-orion-mak-newt-190mm-waccessories/
> > >
> > > > Here's the deal on an APO killer!
> > > > 🤔🙄🔥
> > > Well, a Maksutov-Newtonian is highly corrected, and one with a 190mm aperture
> > > is clearly valuable.
> > >
> > > But he is selling it because he can't afford a proper mount for it, so it's clearly
> > > not for everyone. For long-duration astrophotography, one wants an equatorial
> > > fork mount. A Cassegrain-Maksutov might fit on one...
> > >
> > > but of course those _can_ be expensive, although I think there are also budget
> > > brands available.
> > >
> > > John Savard
> > Wat wong wid EQ mounts?
> > Fork mounts suck!
> They are ALL equatorial mounts, you mean GERMAN EQ mounts?
> Not all forks are bad, they are much easier to use than German mounts with their inevitable reversals and (often) interferences with motors, knobs, etc. But, a good German mount today
> does cost a lot of money owing to the accuracy needed to take acceptable deepsky images. Where we see the impact of this is in the plethora of "wide field" rigs designed not to task less
> than perfect Chinese mounts. However, if you want something that can really be used with a long focus instrument for imaging, you are looking at $8000 or so to begin, though some
> can be had used for about $4000-$5000.

Ja!
German EQ!
What else?
It can be balanced out easy!

On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 19:53:11 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 7:35:52 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
> > On Thursday, 2 September 2021 at 16:45:01 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 5:42:42 AM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:31:07 AM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:
> > > > > https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/267725-orion-mak-newt-190mm-waccessories/
> > > >
> > > > > Here's the deal on an APO killer!
> > > > > 🤔🙄🔥
> > > > Well, a Maksutov-Newtonian is highly corrected, and one with a 190mm aperture
> > > > is clearly valuable.
> > > >
> > > > But he is selling it because he can't afford a proper mount for it, so it's clearly
> > > > not for everyone. For long-duration astrophotography, one wants an equatorial
> > > > fork mount. A Cassegrain-Maksutov might fit on one...
> > > >
> > > > but of course those _can_ be expensive, although I think there are also budget
> > > > brands available.
> > > >
> > > > John Savard
> > > Wat wong wid EQ mounts?
> > > Fork mounts suck!
> > They are ALL equatorial mounts, you mean GERMAN EQ mounts?
> > Not all forks are bad, they are much easier to use than German mounts with their inevitable reversals and (often) interferences with motors, knobs, etc. But, a good German mount today
> > does cost a lot of money owing to the accuracy needed to take acceptable deepsky images. Where we see the impact of this is in the plethora of "wide field" rigs designed not to task less
> > than perfect Chinese mounts. However, if you want something that can really be used with a long focus instrument for imaging, you are looking at $8000 or so to begin, though some
> > can be had used for about $4000-$5000.
> Ja!
> German EQ!
> What else?
> It can be balanced out easy!

Not that easily. Every large eyepiece throws off the balance, but it's easier than a fork as they are configured now. I figure though higher-end forks now may have adjustable tension when not locked
so handling minor imbalances should be reasonably easier. But that's for manual operation, you need very good balance for photography.

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:57:19 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 19:53:11 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 7:35:52 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 2 September 2021 at 16:45:01 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 5:42:42 AM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 3:31:07 AM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/267725-orion-mak-newt-190mm-waccessories/
> > > > >
> > > > > > Here's the deal on an APO killer!
> > > > > > 🤔🙄🔥
> > > > > Well, a Maksutov-Newtonian is highly corrected, and one with a 190mm aperture
> > > > > is clearly valuable.
> > > > >
> > > > > But he is selling it because he can't afford a proper mount for it, so it's clearly
> > > > > not for everyone. For long-duration astrophotography, one wants an equatorial
> > > > > fork mount. A Cassegrain-Maksutov might fit on one...
> > > > >
> > > > > but of course those _can_ be expensive, although I think there are also budget
> > > > > brands available.
> > > > >
> > > > > John Savard
> > > > Wat wong wid EQ mounts?
> > > > Fork mounts suck!
> > > They are ALL equatorial mounts, you mean GERMAN EQ mounts?
> > > Not all forks are bad, they are much easier to use than German mounts with their inevitable reversals and (often) interferences with motors, knobs, etc. But, a good German mount today
> > > does cost a lot of money owing to the accuracy needed to take acceptable deepsky images. Where we see the impact of this is in the plethora of "wide field" rigs designed not to task less
> > > than perfect Chinese mounts. However, if you want something that can really be used with a long focus instrument for imaging, you are looking at $8000 or so to begin, though some
> > > can be had used for about $4000-$5000.
> > Ja!
> > German EQ!
> > What else?
> > It can be balanced out easy!
> Not that easily. Every large eyepiece throws off the balance, but it's easier than a fork as they are configured now. I figure though higher-end forks now may have adjustable tension when not locked
> so handling minor imbalances should be reasonably easier. But that's for manual operation, you need very good balance for photography.

Tell me about it, I owned Mead forks!