Several people have reacted to my comments about the dangers of the vaccines and the relative harmlessness of the SARS-Cov-2 virus with bitter hatred and vitriol.

I am wondering if they feel so betrayed by their own NIH and CDC that the only response they can have is denial? Let's remember that the vaccine companies paid $100 million to Fauci and other management of the CDC and the NIH.. Does that not suggest why these departments of the government installed to protect public health did precisely the opposite?

Despite the rather large number of people that have been killed by the vaccines, this number compared to the extremely large number of vaccinations is very small. It is only large when compared to the numbers of people killed by the virus itself which is very low.

What would I suggest? I would suggest that if you have been vaccinated you DO NOT get these so-called booster shots since you have now made your immune system sensitive to the vaccine itself. The vaccine has not given you immunity as shown by over-the-counter covid-19 tests which plainly have been testing positive to the minor symptoms of the illness in most of the vaccinated people. People around vaccinated people have also caught the illness after the vaccinated people meaning that the vaccines have not only not prevented the illness but haven't stopped the transmission of the illness either..

In short, the vaccines have all in all only caused deaths and permanent injuries themselves and those "anti-vaxxers" were well off following their beliefs whatever they were.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:45:25 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> Several people have reacted to my comments about the dangers of the vaccines and the relative harmlessness of the SARS-Cov-2 virus with bitter hatred and vitriol.
>
> I am wondering if they feel so betrayed by their own NIH and CDC that the only response they can have is denial? Let's remember that the vaccine companies paid $100 million to Fauci and other management of the CDC and the NIH. Does that not suggest why these departments of the government installed to protect public health did precisely the opposite?
>
> Despite the rather large number of people that have been killed by the vaccines, this number compared to the extremely large number of vaccinations is very small. It is only large when compared to the numbers of people killed by the virus itself which is very low.
>
> What would I suggest? I would suggest that if you have been vaccinated you DO NOT get these so-called booster shots since you have now made your immune system sensitive to the vaccine itself. The vaccine has not given you immunity as shown by over-the-counter covid-19 tests which plainly have been testing positive to the minor symptoms of the illness in most of the vaccinated people. People around vaccinated people have also caught the illness after the vaccinated people meaning that the vaccines have not only not prevented the illness but haven't stopped the transmission of the illness either.
>
> In short, the vaccines have all in all only caused deaths and permanent injuries themselves and those "anti-vaxxers" were well off following their beliefs whatever they were.

A year and a half ago they knew that the vaccines were killing people. At that time there were already more people killed by the vaccines than by the SARS-Cov-2 virus itself. The way you describe a virus as "deadly" is if with no other illness or medical conditions the virus all by itself can kill people. So the 8,800 people that died from covid is the death rate and you do not add the people that had severe circulatory system illnesses and died as a result of the added strain on their systems of covid-19. These people could just as well died from the added strains of the flu or even the common cold.

https://www.citizensjournal.us/astonishing-spike-in-post-vaccine-deaths-gets-no-media-coverage-as-over-2000-reported-this-week-alone/

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:54:19 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:45:25 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > Several people have reacted to my comments about the dangers of the vaccines and the relative harmlessness of the SARS-Cov-2 virus with bitter hatred and vitriol.
> >
> > I am wondering if they feel so betrayed by their own NIH and CDC that the only response they can have is denial? Let's remember that the vaccine companies paid $100 million to Fauci and other management of the CDC and the NIH. Does that not suggest why these departments of the government installed to protect public health did precisely the opposite?
> >
> > Despite the rather large number of people that have been killed by the vaccines, this number compared to the extremely large number of vaccinations is very small. It is only large when compared to the numbers of people killed by the virus itself which is very low.
> >
> > What would I suggest? I would suggest that if you have been vaccinated you DO NOT get these so-called booster shots since you have now made your immune system sensitive to the vaccine itself. The vaccine has not given you immunity as shown by over-the-counter covid-19 tests which plainly have been testing positive to the minor symptoms of the illness in most of the vaccinated people. People around vaccinated people have also caught the illness after the vaccinated people meaning that the vaccines have not only not prevented the illness but haven't stopped the transmission of the illness either.
> >
> > In short, the vaccines have all in all only caused deaths and permanent injuries themselves and those "anti-vaxxers" were well off following their beliefs whatever they were.
> A year and a half ago they knew that the vaccines were killing people. At that time there were already more people killed by the vaccines than by the SARS-Cov-2 virus itself. The way you describe a virus as "deadly" is if with no other illness or medical conditions the virus all by itself can kill people. So the 8,800 people that died from covid is the death rate and you do not add the people that had severe circulatory system illnesses and died as a result of the added strain on their systems of covid-19. These people could just as well died from the added strains of the flu or even the common cold.
>
> https://www.citizensjournal.us/astonishing-spike-in-post-vaccine-deaths-gets-no-media-coverage-as-over-2000-reported-this-week-alone/
>
A priest I knew didn't like Yeats' "season of mellow mists." He said it was the "season when pneumonia becomes an old man's best friend." -- AJ
>

On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 10:45:23 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>Several people have reacted to my comments about the dangers of the vaccines and the relative harmlessness of the SARS-Cov-2 virus with bitter hatred and vitriol.

Ah Tommy you give yourself too much credit. Nobody reacts to your
posts with "bitter hatred and vitriol". they react to your posts with
ridicule... because you are ridiculous.

Your grandiose clams to fame when your own posts show a rather stupid
fellow who was not capable of even graduating from high school, was a
failure in the Air Force, was incapable of holding a job for more then
a short time, still lives in his mother's house while claiming to have
made hundreds of thousands on the stock market and worries about
losing his social security while spending his time repairing and
selling old, used, bicycles.

No Tommy, you are far too great a failure for anyone to exhibit
anything other then scorn toward your posts,
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:15:05 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:54:19 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:45:25 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > Several people have reacted to my comments about the dangers of the vaccines and the relative harmlessness of the SARS-Cov-2 virus with bitter hatred and vitriol.
> > >
> > > I am wondering if they feel so betrayed by their own NIH and CDC that the only response they can have is denial? Let's remember that the vaccine companies paid $100 million to Fauci and other management of the CDC and the NIH. Does that not suggest why these departments of the government installed to protect public health did precisely the opposite?
> > >
> > > Despite the rather large number of people that have been killed by the vaccines, this number compared to the extremely large number of vaccinations is very small. It is only large when compared to the numbers of people killed by the virus itself which is very low.
> > >
> > > What would I suggest? I would suggest that if you have been vaccinated you DO NOT get these so-called booster shots since you have now made your immune system sensitive to the vaccine itself. The vaccine has not given you immunity as shown by over-the-counter covid-19 tests which plainly have been testing positive to the minor symptoms of the illness in most of the vaccinated people. People around vaccinated people have also caught the illness after the vaccinated people meaning that the vaccines have not only not prevented the illness but haven't stopped the transmission of the illness either.
> > >
> > > In short, the vaccines have all in all only caused deaths and permanent injuries themselves and those "anti-vaxxers" were well off following their beliefs whatever they were.
> > A year and a half ago they knew that the vaccines were killing people. At that time there were already more people killed by the vaccines than by the SARS-Cov-2 virus itself. The way you describe a virus as "deadly" is if with no other illness or medical conditions the virus all by itself can kill people. So the 8,800 people that died from covid is the death rate and you do not add the people that had severe circulatory system illnesses and died as a result of the added strain on their systems of covid-19. These people could just as well died from the added strains of the flu or even the common cold.
> >
> > https://www.citizensjournal.us/astonishing-spike-in-post-vaccine-deaths-gets-no-media-coverage-as-over-2000-reported-this-week-alone/
> >
> A priest I knew didn't like Yeats' "season of mellow mists." He said it was the "season when pneumonia becomes an old man's best friend." -- AJ
> >
At one time the CDC listed pneumonia as the cause of 90% or so of the old age deaths. Now they have changed it to mean that pneumonia is only pneumonia if you are perfectly healthy and contract it out of a clear blue sky. This turns out to be very rare so despite the fact that MOST old people die as a result of pneumonia because they are bedridden and unable to breath correctly this is not to the CDC considered death due to0 pneumonia. I will agree that most people are bed-ridden due to circulatory diseases and that it is that which is the basic cause of death, but their last moments on Earth are filled with the pain of not being able to breath due to bacterial or viral pneumonia.

While I am all for putting real causes on illnesses that is no longer what the CDC is doing - they have become as politically correct as the MSNBC newscasters and change causes hourly by which direction the political winds blow.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 16:01:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>At one time the CDC listed pneumonia as the cause of 90% or so of the old age deaths. Now they have changed it to mean that pneumonia is only pneumonia if you are perfectly healthy and contract it out of a clear blue sky. This turns out to be very rare so despite the fact that MOST old people die as a result of pneumonia because they are bedridden and unable to breath correctly this is not to the CDC considered death due to0 pneumonia. I will agree that most people are bed-ridden due to circulatory diseases and that it is that which is the basic cause of death, but their last moments on Earth are filled with the pain of not being able to breath due to bacterial or viral pneumonia.

Not quite. Pneumonia is not a disease. It's a symptom of a bacteria,
virus, fungus or microorganism infection which cause the lungs to fill
with fluids. If you want to be picky, the actual cause of death from
pneumonia is anoxia (lack of oxygen). The current version of the blue
form for cause of death:
<https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf>
attempts to determine the underlying cause of death which would not be
pneumonia. Calling pneumonia to be a cause of death would be like
declaring bleeding to be a cause of death.

>While I am all for putting real causes on illnesses that is no longer what the CDC is doing - they have become as politically correct as the MSNBC newscasters and change causes hourly by which direction the political winds blow.
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 05:50:18 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>while claiming to have
>made hundreds of thousands on the stock market...

Millions, not thousands. (April 18, 2021)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/cgGQO6bPU8w/m/EKViBoe-AgAJ>
"So I cashed in my stock options from a successful company and used
that million dollars to pay for..."

When I asked Tom for the name of the company that gave him a million
dollars for his stock options, no answer.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 19:00:22 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 05:50:18 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>while claiming to have
>>made hundreds of thousands on the stock market...
>
>Millions, not thousands. (April 18, 2021)
><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/cgGQO6bPU8w/m/EKViBoe-AgAJ>
>"So I cashed in my stock options from a successful company and used
>that million dollars to pay for..."
>
>When I asked Tom for the name of the company that gave him a million
>dollars for his stock options, no answer.

More of the same:

Half-million (Feb 8, 2021)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/cwnYLEAEa_4/m/xpaTZObFAQAJ>
"On my smallest investment account, just last month I made 4%.
I still have a half million more dollars in other accounts.
What do you suppose that will make my income for one month?"

I don't know about the income but nobody makes
4% * 12months/year = 48% APR (annual percentage rate)
unless they're a loan shark or work for the mafia.

The half million then grew into a million in: (Feb 2, 2021)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/5Dzs6MuEgY0/m/V9VnFEvKBAAJ>
"Well, this person who you seem to think is so dumb is sitting
on a million dollars. What do you have fatso?"

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 19:15:38 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

and still more:

(July 1, 2021)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/faqhFZTD-dU/m/od-oKxkaAgAJ>
"After Tality kicked the bucket I got a job making $250,000/year."

According to Tom's resume at:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
the job after Tality was at Tecan Systems as a Design Engineer,
Firmware Project Manager. Does it really require a $250,000/yr
manager who "Managed three to five engineers" writing firmware?

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 19:00:22 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 05:50:18 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>while claiming to have
>>made hundreds of thousands on the stock market...
>
>Millions, not thousands. (April 18, 2021)
><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/cgGQO6bPU8w/m/EKViBoe-AgAJ>
>"So I cashed in my stock options from a successful company and used
>that million dollars to pay for..."
>
>When I asked Tom for the name of the company that gave him a million
>dollars for his stock options, no answer.

It must be greed. After all a bloke with all that money who mentions
he must be careful getting married as his wife might lose her Social
Security.

Mark Twain once wrote that the problem with telling lies is that it
takes a really good memory to remember all the lies that you have told
while an honest man simply has to tell the truth.

And, as he demonstrates, Tommy's memory is not that reliable (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 19:29:17 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 19:15:38 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>and still more:
>
>(July 1, 2021)
><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/faqhFZTD-dU/m/od-oKxkaAgAJ>
>"After Tality kicked the bucket I got a job making $250,000/year."
>
>According to Tom's resume at:
><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
>the job after Tality was at Tecan Systems as a Design Engineer,
>Firmware Project Manager. Does it really require a $250,000/yr
>manager who "Managed three to five engineers" writing firmware?

But doesn't it sound impressive? That would be something like $21,000
a month.

But, if that is in today's money I guess it isn't all that much as I
was making $3,000 a month in 1972 and according to the Inflation
Tables that is about $21,256.29 in today's money (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.