This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the place. When the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA

On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the place. When the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
>

The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.

But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.

On 6/30/2021 2:06 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the
>> place. When the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the
>> place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior
>> walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out
>> somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are
>> phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're
>> tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they
>> couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to
>> receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit
>> depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
>>
>
> The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
> price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
> over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
>
> But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
> saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
> 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
> bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.

The exterior shot at 1:28 in particular is a joke, it look like a CGI
rendering.

On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:07:02 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
> On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the place. When the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
> >
> The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
> price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
> over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
>
> But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
> saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
> 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
> bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.

I have a feeling that the basement support columns are undersized. For other towers, perhaps they should remove a few top floors, including the penhouse, and adding more support bracing in the garage. It will not be cheap, but probably saving some units.

On 6/30/2021 2:13 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:07:02 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
>> On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>> This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the place. When the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
>>>
>> The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
>> price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
>> over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
>>
>> But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
>> saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
>> 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
>> bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.
>
> I have a feeling that the basement support columns are undersized. For other towers, perhaps they should remove a few top floors, including the penhouse, and adding more support bracing in the garage. It will not be cheap, but probably saving some units.
>

God knows what the amortization time on repairs like that are, it
(thankfully) didn't seem like this particular condo complex was running
even much more than 50% capacity, it had about 140 units in the south
tower and looks like the death toll will be about 160, and most units
were probably at least double-occupancy.

Selling off the land for new construction I think starts to look like an
appealing option when the property management get confronted with the
bill for major modifications like that, especially if they're the
original lienholderes and the lease is paid off which after 40 years it
probably is.

On 6/30/2021 2:22 PM, bitrex wrote:
> On 6/30/2021 2:13 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:07:02 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>> This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the
>>>> place. When the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the
>>>> place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and
>>>> exterior walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that
>>>> out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior
>>>> shots are phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in
>>>> reality they're tiny. Note they don't go near that underground
>>>> garage, even they couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the
>>>> residents were to receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to
>>>> 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the remediation.
>>>> Most of this is now rubble.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
>>>>
>>> The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
>>> price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
>>> over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
>>>
>>> But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
>>> saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
>>> 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
>>> bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.
>>
>> I have a feeling that the basement support columns are undersized.
>> For other towers, perhaps they should remove a few top floors,
>> including the penhouse, and adding more support bracing in the
>> garage.  It will not be cheap, but probably saving some units.
>>
>
> God knows what the amortization time on repairs like that are, it
> (thankfully) didn't seem like this particular condo complex was running
> even much more than 50% capacity, it had about 140 units in the south
> tower and looks like the death toll will be about 160, and most units
> were probably at least double-occupancy.
>
> Selling off the land for new construction I think starts to look like an
> appealing option when the property management get confronted with the
> bill for major modifications like that, especially if they're the
> original lienholderes and the lease is paid off which after 40 years it
> probably is.

Talking about other similar properties of the same age, to be clear

On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:07:02 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
> > On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the place. When the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
> > >
> > The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
> > price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
> > over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
> >
> > But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
> > saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
> > 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
> > bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.
> I have a feeling that the basement support columns are undersized. For other towers, perhaps they should remove a few top floors, including the penhouse, and adding more support bracing in the garage. It will not be cheap, but probably saving some units.

Not worth it. There's not much left anyway. Demolish the heap of crap and leave the lot vacant. The geotechnical people are saying it's located atop a bedrock breach anyway, as indicated by the subsidence study.

On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:11:59 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> On 6/30/2021 2:06 PM, bitrex wrote:
> > On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >> This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the
> >> place. When the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the
> >> place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior
> >> walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out
> >> somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are
> >> phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're
> >> tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they
> >> couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to
> >> receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit
> >> depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
> >>
> >
> > The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
> > price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
> > over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
> >
> > But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
> > saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
> > 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
> > bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.
> The exterior shot at 1:28 in particular is a joke, it look like a CGI
> rendering.

Oh yeah definitely, and I like the fake people they put around the pool on some of those aerial views. The whole idea of a pool seems dumb for a place that's just a few steps away from a beach.

On 6/30/2021 2:26 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:07:02 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>> This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the place. When the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
>>>>
>>> The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
>>> price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
>>> over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
>>>
>>> But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
>>> saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
>>> 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
>>> bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.
>> I have a feeling that the basement support columns are undersized. For other towers, perhaps they should remove a few top floors, including the penhouse, and adding more support bracing in the garage. It will not be cheap, but probably saving some units.
>
> Not worth it. There's not much left anyway. Demolish the heap of crap and leave the lot vacant. The geotechnical people are saying it's located atop a bedrock breach anyway, as indicated by the subsidence study.
>

They'd have some real-estate finance firm declare the structure to have
"no financial value" and write that shit right off before plunging good
money into buildings with confirmed design flaws. Not great for sales...

On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:26:04 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:07:02 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
> > > On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the place. Wehen the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
> > > >
> > > The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
> > > price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
> > > over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
> > >
> > > But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
> > > saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
> > > 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
> > > bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.
> > I have a feeling that the basement support columns are undersized. For other towers, perhaps they should remove a few top floors, including the penhouse, and adding more support bracing in the garage. It will not be cheap, but probably saving some units.
> Not worth it. There's not much left anyway. Demolish the heap of crap and leave the lot vacant. The geotechnical people are saying it's located atop a bedrock breach anyway, as indicated by the subsidence study.

Not for the collapsed tower, but for the other one (and more similar buildings, by the same developer). I believe they are starting to vacate the other tower and similar buildings, and wondering what to do with them.

On 6/30/2021 2:27 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:11:59 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
>> On 6/30/2021 2:06 PM, bitrex wrote:
>>> On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>> This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the
>>>> place. When the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the
>>>> place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior
>>>> walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out
>>>> somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are
>>>> phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're
>>>> tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they
>>>> couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to
>>>> receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit
>>>> depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
>>>>
>>>
>>> The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
>>> price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
>>> over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
>>>
>>> But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
>>> saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
>>> 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
>>> bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.
>> The exterior shot at 1:28 in particular is a joke, it look like a CGI
>> rendering.
>
> Oh yeah definitely, and I like the fake people they put around the pool on some of those aerial views. The whole idea of a pool seems dumb for a place that's just a few steps away from a beach.
>

The pool is for hanging out at and being seen at and send pics to the
people back in Paraguay with your South Beach-balla style; it's not
really for serious workouts or regular recreational swimming and
probably not used much in practice.

There's a new ~25 story condo complex in Boston that has a sign on the
roof that says "LOOK! We have a POOL..." this rooftop pool is about 10
feet long and 4 feet wide and it's an outdoor pool. in BOSTON

On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:31:38 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:26:04 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:07:02 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
> > > > On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > > > > This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the place. Wehen the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
> > > > >
> > > > The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
> > > > price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
> > > > over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
> > > >
> > > > But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
> > > > saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
> > > > 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
> > > > bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.
> > > I have a feeling that the basement support columns are undersized. For other towers, perhaps they should remove a few top floors, including the penhouse, and adding more support bracing in the garage. It will not be cheap, but probably saving some units.
> > Not worth it. There's not much left anyway. Demolish the heap of crap and leave the lot vacant. The geotechnical people are saying it's located atop a bedrock breach anyway, as indicated by the subsidence study.
> Not for the collapsed tower, but for the other one (and more similar buildings, by the same developer). I believe they are starting to vacate the other tower and similar buildings, and wondering what to do with them.

They've been keeping Tower North in excellent condition, staying on top of the maintenance and fixing water issues as they appear. That place looks clean as a whistle, even the garage. And the subsidence issue was measured at just that one spot with the collapsed building, all the other lots had zero sink rate. The so-called Tower East, the one closest up the street, doesn't look so good. It has the same issues with water damage and cracked columns all over the place. Goes to show longevity is all in the management of the place, they have to make it happen, it won't just come spontaneously.

On 6/30/2021 2:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:31:38 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:26:04 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:07:02 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
>>>>> On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>>>> This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the place. Wehen the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
>>>>>>
>>>>> The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
>>>>> price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
>>>>> over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
>>>>> saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
>>>>> 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
>>>>> bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.
>>>> I have a feeling that the basement support columns are undersized. For other towers, perhaps they should remove a few top floors, including the penhouse, and adding more support bracing in the garage. It will not be cheap, but probably saving some units.
>>> Not worth it. There's not much left anyway. Demolish the heap of crap and leave the lot vacant. The geotechnical people are saying it's located atop a bedrock breach anyway, as indicated by the subsidence study.
>> Not for the collapsed tower, but for the other one (and more similar buildings, by the same developer). I believe they are starting to vacate the other tower and similar buildings, and wondering what to do with them.
>
> They've been keeping Tower North in excellent condition, staying on top of the maintenance and fixing water issues as they appear. That place looks clean as a whistle, even the garage. And the subsidence issue was measured at just that one spot with the collapsed building, all the other lots had zero sink rate. The so-called Tower East, the one closest up the street, doesn't look so good. It has the same issues with water damage and cracked columns all over the place. Goes to show longevity is all in the management of the place, they have to make it happen, it won't just come spontaneously.
>

"Only entropy comes easy" - Anton Chekhov

On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:43:44 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
> On 6/30/2021 2:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:31:38 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:26:04 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:07:02 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
> >>>>> On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >>>>>> This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the place. Wehen the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
> >>>>> price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
> >>>>> over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
> >>>>> saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
> >>>>> 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
> >>>>> bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.
> >>>> I have a feeling that the basement support columns are undersized. For other towers, perhaps they should remove a few top floors, including the penhouse, and adding more support bracing in the garage. It will not be cheap, but probably saving some units.
> >>> Not worth it. There's not much left anyway. Demolish the heap of crap and leave the lot vacant. The geotechnical people are saying it's located atop a bedrock breach anyway, as indicated by the subsidence study.
> >> Not for the collapsed tower, but for the other one (and more similar buildings, by the same developer). I believe they are starting to vacate the other tower and similar buildings, and wondering what to do with them.
> >
> > They've been keeping Tower North in excellent condition, staying on top of the maintenance and fixing water issues as they appear. That place looks clean as a whistle, even the garage. And the subsidence issue was measured at just that one spot with the collapsed building, all the other lots had zero sink rate. The so-called Tower East, the one closest up the street, doesn't look so good. It has the same issues with water damage and cracked columns all over the place. Goes to show longevity is all in the management of the place, they have to make it happen, it won't just come spontaneously..
> >
> "Only entropy comes easy" - Anton Chekhov

and legal fees.

So, they are suing the HOA for five millions, which would be paid for by additional assessments, and pay to owners after legal fees. What do the owners gain?

Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:43:44 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
>> On 6/30/2021 2:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:31:38 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:26:04 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 11:07:02 AM UTC-7, bitrex
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>>>>>> This is so typical of the marketeers completely
>>>>>>>> misrepresenting the place. Wehen the Consult Engineer
>>>>>>>> zoomed on Google Street view of the place, he was
>>>>>>>> pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior
>>>>>>>> walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all
>>>>>>>> that out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All
>>>>>>>> the interior shots are phony too, showing expansive
>>>>>>>> well lit rooms when in reality they're tiny. Note they
>>>>>>>> don't go near that underground garage, even they
>>>>>>>> couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents
>>>>>>>> were to receive notice of their assessments of 80,000
>>>>>>>> to 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the
>>>>>>>> remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at
>>>>>>> a number of price points, including a
>>>>>>> penthouse/penthouses that probably went for over a mil
>>>>>>> and likely looked nice enough inside.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and
>>>>>>> have their saturation and color balance doctored, and
>>>>>>> blemishes edited out like a 25 y/o Instagram model's
>>>>>>> shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million bucks on the
>>>>>>> outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.
>>>>>> I have a feeling that the basement support columns are
>>>>>> undersized. For other towers, perhaps they should remove a
>>>>>> few top floors, including the penhouse, and adding more
>>>>>> support bracing in the garage. It will not be cheap, but
>>>>>> probably saving some units.
>>>>> Not worth it. There's not much left anyway. Demolish the heap
>>>>> of crap and leave the lot vacant. The geotechnical people are
>>>>> saying it's located atop a bedrock breach anyway, as
>>>>> indicated by the subsidence study.
>>>> Not for the collapsed tower, but for the other one (and more
>>>> similar buildings, by the same developer). I believe they are
>>>> starting to vacate the other tower and similar buildings, and
>>>> wondering what to do with them.
>>>
>>> They've been keeping Tower North in excellent condition, staying
>>> on top of the maintenance and fixing water issues as they appear.
>>> That place looks clean as a whistle, even the garage. And the
>>> subsidence issue was measured at just that one spot with the
>>> collapsed building, all the other lots had zero sink rate. The
>>> so-called Tower East, the one closest up the street, doesn't look
>>> so good. It has the same issues with water damage and cracked
>>> columns all over the place. Goes to show longevity is all in the
>>> management of the place, they have to make it happen, it won't
>>> just come spontaneously.
>>>
>> "Only entropy comes easy" - Anton Chekhov
>
> and legal fees.
>
> So, they are suing the HOA for five millions, which would be paid for
> by additional assessments, and pay to owners after legal fees. What
> do the owners gain?

First crack at the insurance money.

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On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:07:02 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting the place. When the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view of the place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies and exterior walls all over the place. This sales video smooths all that out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the interior shots are phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms when in reality they're tiny. Note they don't go near that underground garage, even they couldn't clean up that mess. July is when the residents were to receive notice of their assessments of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
> >
> The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number of
> price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably went for
> over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
>
> But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
> saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out like a
> 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like a million
> bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.

The interior shots are manipulated. I see this a lot in real estate stills.. They exaggerate the Z dimension to make rooms look bigger. When they show the same room from two angles you can tell easily. In one shot window or furniture looks large and in the other shot the same things look very small. For me it makes it hard to tell how large a room is and I tend to walk away.

One of the shots in the video shows an over head decoration at the bar or kitchen island that should be rectangular, but the near corner seems to be bent upward.

They do something similar in car photos which makes the near part of the car look huge. I don't get what that is about. If I'm looking for a small car I don't want to have a monster fender on one corner.

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Rick C wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:07:02 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
>> On 6/30/2021 1:57 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>> This is so typical of the marketeers completely misrepresenting
>>> the place. When the Consult Engineer zoomed on Google Street view
>>> of the place, he was pointing out dozens of spalls on balconies
>>> and exterior walls all over the place. This sales video smooths
>>> all that out somehow, everything just looks so perfect. All the
>>> interior shots are phony too, showing expansive well lit rooms
>>> when in reality they're tiny. Note they don't go near that
>>> underground garage, even they couldn't clean up that mess. July
>>> is when the residents were to receive notice of their assessments
>>> of 80,000 to 340,000 $ per unit depending on size to pay for the
>>> remediation. Most of this is now rubble.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWbCZG_6xA
>>>
>> The interior shots are probably real, they had condos at a number
>> of price points, including a penthouse/penthouses that probably
>> went for over a mil and likely looked nice enough inside.
>>
>> But yeah the exterior shots are all cherry-picked and have their
>> saturation and color balance doctored, and blemishes edited out
>> like a 25 y/o Instagram model's shots. Just like Miami, looks like
>> a million bucks on the outside, but the inside is a pile of shit.
>
> The interior shots are manipulated. I see this a lot in real estate
> stills. They exaggerate the Z dimension to make rooms look bigger.
> When they show the same room from two angles you can tell easily. In
> one shot window or furniture looks large and in the other shot the
> same things look very small. For me it makes it hard to tell how
> large a room is and I tend to walk away.

People have been shooting interiors with ultra-wide angle lenses for
many decades. The perspective is on account of the camera position.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

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