On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 2:35:08 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 16:37:45 -0400, Radey Shouman
> <sho...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> writes:
> >
> >> On 10/19/2022 12:47 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>> On 10/19/2022 11:35 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On 10/19/2022 10:22 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> ... they are all life's losers and I am a winner.
> >>>>
> >>>> How's the neighborhood going, Tom? Are you still living
> >>>> where you hear gunshots almost every day? Are the "illegal
> >>>> immigrants" still taking over the streets due to zero police
> >>>> enforcement? Are you still having trouble affording
> >>>> groceries, and still having to spend a fortune to eat a
> >>>> decent restaurant meal? Has all your churning of your bike
> >>>> collection ever gotten you a bike on which you can just
> >>>> enjoy riding? Are your handlebars still slipping in the
> >>>> stem, your derailleurs still going out of adjustment, your
> >>>> cables still "stretching," your Garmin still giving you
> >>>> fits? Is your wife still spending money faster than your
> >>>> Social Security delivers it? Are you still having trouble
> >>>> with the terrible water quality in your town? Are your
> >>>> terrible roads still beating you up when you ride and
> >>>> forcing you to ride so slowly? Are people still refusing to
> >>>> buy the Frankenbikes you keep trying to sell for profit on
> >>>> Craigslist?
> >>>>
> >>>> So much winning!
> >>>>
> >>> to wit:
> >>> https://www.kron4.com/news/veteran-hollywood-actress-turned-activist-tweets-video-of-trash-in-oakland/
> >>
> >> We have none of that in my little suburban village. We have a system
> >> in place that prevents that sort of thing. It's a weather system.
> >>
> >> As an example: Right now it's about 40 degrees Fahrenheit, breezy and
> >> spitting rain. Almost nobody here wants to live in a tent or a shack.
> >>
> >> Tom needs to move out of that hell hole and get to somewhere with
> >> inclement weather!
> >
> >Weather may provide an incentive, but it's not a guarantee. I know of
> >several homeless tents not far from where I live, and the weather here
> >is likely colder and rainier than in Ohio. So far they don't cause much
> >trouble that I can see. The cops do sometimes roust them out and trash
> >their stuff. In winter there are fewer living outdoors, but I have seen
> >homeless guys sleeping on the streets of Boston when it was -10F.
> >
> >I suspect that in your "little village" law enforcement pressure and
> >scarce begging opportunities are a bigger factor than weather.
> Frank lives in one of the least diverse places in the country. They
> don't have any race riots there, so the polices are free to handle the
> common riff raff.
>
> https://bestneighborhood.org/race-in-poland-oh/
> >> On our coast-to-coast bike tour, we stopped in North Dakota's state
> >> museum in Bismarck. They had a large sign: "Minus 40 degrees keeps the
> >> riff-raff out."
> >>
> >> (IME, even positive 40 degrees does the job.)

This is precisely why Franks lives there in the first place and says the things he does about others being racists. In his entire life he has seen ONE black man and never in one of his own classes.

On 10/19/2022 6:10 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> This is precisely why Franks lives there in the first place and says the things he does about others being racists. In his entire life he has seen ONE black man and never in one of his own classes.

:-) Ah, Tom, you can be SO funny!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 10/19/2022 4:37 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>
>> On 10/19/2022 12:47 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 10/19/2022 11:35 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 10/19/2022 10:22 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> ...  they are all life's losers and I am a winner.
>>>>
>>>> How's the neighborhood going, Tom? Are you still living
>>>> where you hear gunshots almost every day? Are the "illegal
>>>> immigrants" still taking over the streets due to zero police
>>>> enforcement? Are you still having trouble affording
>>>> groceries, and still having to spend a fortune to eat a
>>>> decent restaurant meal? Has all your churning of your bike
>>>> collection ever gotten you a bike on which you can just
>>>> enjoy riding? Are your handlebars still slipping in the
>>>> stem, your derailleurs still going out of adjustment, your
>>>> cables still "stretching," your Garmin still giving you
>>>> fits? Is your wife still spending money faster than your
>>>> Social Security delivers it? Are you still having trouble
>>>> with the terrible water quality in your town? Are your
>>>> terrible roads still beating you up when you ride and
>>>> forcing you to ride so slowly? Are people still refusing to
>>>> buy the Frankenbikes you keep trying to sell for profit on
>>>> Craigslist?
>>>>
>>>> So much winning!
>>>>
>>> to wit:
>>> https://www.kron4.com/news/veteran-hollywood-actress-turned-activist-tweets-video-of-trash-in-oakland/
>>
>> We have none of that in my little suburban village. We have a system
>> in place that prevents that sort of thing. It's a weather system.
>>
>> As an example: Right now it's about 40 degrees Fahrenheit, breezy and
>> spitting rain. Almost nobody here wants to live in a tent or a shack.
>>
>> Tom needs to move out of that hell hole and get to somewhere with
>> inclement weather!
>
> Weather may provide an incentive, but it's not a guarantee. I know of
> several homeless tents not far from where I live, and the weather here
> is likely colder and rainier than in Ohio. So far they don't cause much
> trouble that I can see. The cops do sometimes roust them out and trash
> their stuff. In winter there are fewer living outdoors, but I have seen
> homeless guys sleeping on the streets of Boston when it was -10F.
>
> I suspect that in your "little village" law enforcement pressure and
> scarce begging opportunities are a bigger factor than weather.

This village is known for a very efficient police force, as I've
probably mentioned. I can repeat a couple of my favorite incidents, if
anyone's interested.

But still, this entire area has very, very few homeless camps. One year,
a few friends and I decided to ride mountain bikes off-road along the
river, to a down about 25 miles downstream and back. We passed maybe
three or four tents along the river that were obviously "home" to some
folks.

Those are the only ones I recall seeing here, and I've done hiking and
mountain biking in lots of off-the-beaten-path areas. And I've never
seen a news article about homeless camps in our area. I'm sure that if
they exist, they're extremely rare.

Which is beside the main point. If Tom dislikes those (which would be
very understandable) he should stop whining and move. I once lived and
worked in an area I disliked. I found a better job and moved out. He
should do the same.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> On 10/18/2022 11:32 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>
>> I don't enjoy driving in Boston much at all; I don't have much of a
>> sense of direction. Bicycling is much more relaxing, because you can
>> just stop, pull your bike up on the sidewalk, and figure out where the
>> hell you are. Asking a person on a bicycle for directions is almost
>> reliable.
>> I say almost because I admit to guilt for bad directions when
>> someone
>> asked me. On the other hand, some expectations are out of line -- I
>> remember a while ago, when riding in NH miles away from anywhere I knew
>> some guy on a motorcyle asked me where the nearest gas station was. At
>> least I didn't give him bad directions.
>
> I've had many motorists over the years stop me to ask for directions
> to some obscure establishment. They seem to assume that because I'm on
> a bicycle, I must live within a mile. My most common answer has been
> "Sorry, I'm not from around here."
>
> The other side of that coin: When needed, I'm quick to ask directions
> from pedestrians. One charming memory was in England when were making
> our way through some small village. An elderly (um, younger than I am
> now) woman on crutches saw us looking at a map and hobbled over to
> help. She cheerfully gave us directions, hobbled a little way after us
> as we pedaled off, and as we made our left turn she merrily shouted
> "That's the way! That's the way!"

Last year a friend and I found ourselves in Amsterdam ... New York, near
the end of day, looking for lodging. Now Amsterdam NY, unlike its
namesake, is not nookshotten with cycleways, in fact we didn't see a
one.

What we could see were some of the bright towers of commercial
hospitality, moments work for a flying crow. But we were neither crows
nor motorists, and our way was blocked by a moat of freeway, with
numerous overpasses swooping about. We looked for a reasonable way to
cross, but failed. At one point I convinced my friend to try one of the
overpasses, closed for construction, and we did until he, being the
wiser of the two, rebelled, and we gave up.

So we turned to the wisdom of the interwebs, asking "fleabag near me?",
and found one, not far away. GPS confidently offered to guide us.
After several times being asked to turn where there didn't seem to be
one, we lost faith in GPS and sought human counsel.

One of the few signs of life on our benighted side of town was an
Italian restaurant; we went in and pestered the waitresses. They
took a page from Mr Muzi's store clerks, and seemed ignorant of any of
the local surface streets. Or maybe it was just the dinner rush.

Not long afterwards, we did get some likely sounding directions from a
guy leaving the restaurant. He knew just where we wanted to go, and
understood our limitations in getting there.

The first thing, he told us, was a large hill, and indeed, there was.
I'm sure the slowest of my readers (in climbing, not reading), would
have spun right up it, but, being made of slacker stuff, we were soon
reduced to walking.

It took a while. I can't say how long, but it was quite dark by the time
we got to the top. When we got there, we saw the very same guy, waiting
for us. He had a large, black, diesel pickup, or maybe it was one of
those "tactical" black minivans. He told us he had realized that his
directions were perhaps not sufficiently clear, and thought we might
take a wrong turn, as we almost surely would have. Just turn there, he
said, it's right around the corner. And so it was, or I would be
telling a different story.

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 18:47:55 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 10/19/2022 4:37 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>
>>> On 10/19/2022 12:47 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 10/19/2022 11:35 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 10/19/2022 10:22 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> ...  they are all life's losers and I am a winner.
>>>>>
>>>>> How's the neighborhood going, Tom? Are you still living
>>>>> where you hear gunshots almost every day? Are the "illegal
>>>>> immigrants" still taking over the streets due to zero police
>>>>> enforcement? Are you still having trouble affording
>>>>> groceries, and still having to spend a fortune to eat a
>>>>> decent restaurant meal? Has all your churning of your bike
>>>>> collection ever gotten you a bike on which you can just
>>>>> enjoy riding? Are your handlebars still slipping in the
>>>>> stem, your derailleurs still going out of adjustment, your
>>>>> cables still "stretching," your Garmin still giving you
>>>>> fits? Is your wife still spending money faster than your
>>>>> Social Security delivers it? Are you still having trouble
>>>>> with the terrible water quality in your town? Are your
>>>>> terrible roads still beating you up when you ride and
>>>>> forcing you to ride so slowly? Are people still refusing to
>>>>> buy the Frankenbikes you keep trying to sell for profit on
>>>>> Craigslist?
>>>>>
>>>>> So much winning!
>>>>>
>>>> to wit:
>>>> https://www.kron4.com/news/veteran-hollywood-actress-turned-activist-tweets-video-of-trash-in-oakland/
>>>
>>> We have none of that in my little suburban village. We have a system
>>> in place that prevents that sort of thing. It's a weather system.
>>>
>>> As an example: Right now it's about 40 degrees Fahrenheit, breezy and
>>> spitting rain. Almost nobody here wants to live in a tent or a shack.
>>>
>>> Tom needs to move out of that hell hole and get to somewhere with
>>> inclement weather!
>>
>> Weather may provide an incentive, but it's not a guarantee. I know of
>> several homeless tents not far from where I live, and the weather here
>> is likely colder and rainier than in Ohio. So far they don't cause much
>> trouble that I can see. The cops do sometimes roust them out and trash
>> their stuff. In winter there are fewer living outdoors, but I have seen
>> homeless guys sleeping on the streets of Boston when it was -10F.
>>
>> I suspect that in your "little village" law enforcement pressure and
>> scarce begging opportunities are a bigger factor than weather.
>
>This village is known for a very efficient police force, as I've
>probably mentioned. I can repeat a couple of my favorite incidents, if
>anyone's interested.
>
>But still, this entire area has very, very few homeless camps. One year,
>a few friends and I decided to ride mountain bikes off-road along the
>river, to a down about 25 miles downstream and back. We passed maybe
>three or four tents along the river that were obviously "home" to some
>folks.
>
>Those are the only ones I recall seeing here, and I've done hiking and
>mountain biking in lots of off-the-beaten-path areas. And I've never
>seen a news article about homeless camps in our area. I'm sure that if
>they exist, they're extremely rare.
>
>Which is beside the main point. If Tom dislikes those (which would be
>very understandable) he should stop whining and move. I once lived and
>worked in an area I disliked. I found a better job and moved out.

...and moved into a place so lillywhite that halloween cats are
uncomfortable there.

>He
>should do the same.

Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> writes:

> On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 16:37:45 -0400, Radey Shouman
> <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>
>>> On 10/19/2022 12:47 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 10/19/2022 11:35 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 10/19/2022 10:22 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> ...  they are all life's losers and I am a winner.
>>>>>
>>>>> How's the neighborhood going, Tom? Are you still living
>>>>> where you hear gunshots almost every day? Are the "illegal
>>>>> immigrants" still taking over the streets due to zero police
>>>>> enforcement? Are you still having trouble affording
>>>>> groceries, and still having to spend a fortune to eat a
>>>>> decent restaurant meal? Has all your churning of your bike
>>>>> collection ever gotten you a bike on which you can just
>>>>> enjoy riding? Are your handlebars still slipping in the
>>>>> stem, your derailleurs still going out of adjustment, your
>>>>> cables still "stretching," your Garmin still giving you
>>>>> fits? Is your wife still spending money faster than your
>>>>> Social Security delivers it? Are you still having trouble
>>>>> with the terrible water quality in your town? Are your
>>>>> terrible roads still beating you up when you ride and
>>>>> forcing you to ride so slowly? Are people still refusing to
>>>>> buy the Frankenbikes you keep trying to sell for profit on
>>>>> Craigslist?
>>>>>
>>>>> So much winning!
>>>>>
>>>> to wit:
>>>> https://www.kron4.com/news/veteran-hollywood-actress-turned-activist-tweets-video-of-trash-in-oakland/
>>>
>>> We have none of that in my little suburban village. We have a system
>>> in place that prevents that sort of thing. It's a weather system.
>>>
>>> As an example: Right now it's about 40 degrees Fahrenheit, breezy and
>>> spitting rain. Almost nobody here wants to live in a tent or a shack.
>>>
>>> Tom needs to move out of that hell hole and get to somewhere with
>>> inclement weather!
>>
>>Weather may provide an incentive, but it's not a guarantee. I know of
>>several homeless tents not far from where I live, and the weather here
>>is likely colder and rainier than in Ohio. So far they don't cause much
>>trouble that I can see. The cops do sometimes roust them out and trash
>>their stuff. In winter there are fewer living outdoors, but I have seen
>>homeless guys sleeping on the streets of Boston when it was -10F.
>>
>>I suspect that in your "little village" law enforcement pressure and
>>scarce begging opportunities are a bigger factor than weather.
>
> Frank lives in one of the least diverse places in the country. They
> don't have any race riots there, so the polices are free to handle the
> common riff raff.
>
> https://bestneighborhood.org/race-in-poland-oh/

I'm not sure what race has to do with it. I see homeless people in all
shades and varieties. The visible ones are mostly men, however, seems
like sexism at work.

>>> On our coast-to-coast bike tour, we stopped in North Dakota's state
>>> museum in Bismarck. They had a large sign: "Minus 40 degrees keeps the
>>> riff-raff out."
>>>
>>> (IME, even positive 40 degrees does the job.)

--

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:25:52 -0400, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:

>Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 16:37:45 -0400, Radey Shouman
>> <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 10/19/2022 12:47 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 10/19/2022 11:35 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/19/2022 10:22 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>> ...  they are all life's losers and I am a winner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How's the neighborhood going, Tom? Are you still living
>>>>>> where you hear gunshots almost every day? Are the "illegal
>>>>>> immigrants" still taking over the streets due to zero police
>>>>>> enforcement? Are you still having trouble affording
>>>>>> groceries, and still having to spend a fortune to eat a
>>>>>> decent restaurant meal? Has all your churning of your bike
>>>>>> collection ever gotten you a bike on which you can just
>>>>>> enjoy riding? Are your handlebars still slipping in the
>>>>>> stem, your derailleurs still going out of adjustment, your
>>>>>> cables still "stretching," your Garmin still giving you
>>>>>> fits? Is your wife still spending money faster than your
>>>>>> Social Security delivers it? Are you still having trouble
>>>>>> with the terrible water quality in your town? Are your
>>>>>> terrible roads still beating you up when you ride and
>>>>>> forcing you to ride so slowly? Are people still refusing to
>>>>>> buy the Frankenbikes you keep trying to sell for profit on
>>>>>> Craigslist?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So much winning!
>>>>>>
>>>>> to wit:
>>>>> https://www.kron4.com/news/veteran-hollywood-actress-turned-activist-tweets-video-of-trash-in-oakland/
>>>>
>>>> We have none of that in my little suburban village. We have a system
>>>> in place that prevents that sort of thing. It's a weather system.
>>>>
>>>> As an example: Right now it's about 40 degrees Fahrenheit, breezy and
>>>> spitting rain. Almost nobody here wants to live in a tent or a shack.
>>>>
>>>> Tom needs to move out of that hell hole and get to somewhere with
>>>> inclement weather!
>>>
>>>Weather may provide an incentive, but it's not a guarantee. I know of
>>>several homeless tents not far from where I live, and the weather here
>>>is likely colder and rainier than in Ohio. So far they don't cause much
>>>trouble that I can see. The cops do sometimes roust them out and trash
>>>their stuff. In winter there are fewer living outdoors, but I have seen
>>>homeless guys sleeping on the streets of Boston when it was -10F.
>>>
>>>I suspect that in your "little village" law enforcement pressure and
>>>scarce begging opportunities are a bigger factor than weather.
>>
>> Frank lives in one of the least diverse places in the country. They
>> don't have any race riots there, so the polices are free to handle the
>> common riff raff.
>>
>> https://bestneighborhood.org/race-in-poland-oh/
>
>I'm not sure what race has to do with it. I see homeless people in all
>shades and varieties. The visible ones are mostly men, however, seems
>like sexism at work.

I'll try to be a little clearer. Without racial diversity, there's
not likely to be any race riots leaving the police free to run the
homeless beggars off the streetcorners..

>>>> On our coast-to-coast bike tour, we stopped in North Dakota's state
>>>> museum in Bismarck. They had a large sign: "Minus 40 degrees keeps the
>>>> riff-raff out."
>>>>
>>>> (IME, even positive 40 degrees does the job.)

On 10/19/2022 7:23 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>
>> On 10/18/2022 11:32 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't enjoy driving in Boston much at all; I don't have much of a
>>> sense of direction. Bicycling is much more relaxing, because you can
>>> just stop, pull your bike up on the sidewalk, and figure out where the
>>> hell you are. Asking a person on a bicycle for directions is almost
>>> reliable.
>>> I say almost because I admit to guilt for bad directions when
>>> someone
>>> asked me. On the other hand, some expectations are out of line -- I
>>> remember a while ago, when riding in NH miles away from anywhere I knew
>>> some guy on a motorcyle asked me where the nearest gas station was. At
>>> least I didn't give him bad directions.
>>
>> I've had many motorists over the years stop me to ask for directions
>> to some obscure establishment. They seem to assume that because I'm on
>> a bicycle, I must live within a mile. My most common answer has been
>> "Sorry, I'm not from around here."
>>
>> The other side of that coin: When needed, I'm quick to ask directions
>> from pedestrians. One charming memory was in England when were making
>> our way through some small village. An elderly (um, younger than I am
>> now) woman on crutches saw us looking at a map and hobbled over to
>> help. She cheerfully gave us directions, hobbled a little way after us
>> as we pedaled off, and as we made our left turn she merrily shouted
>> "That's the way! That's the way!"
>
> Last year a friend and I found ourselves in Amsterdam ... New York, near
> the end of day, looking for lodging. Now Amsterdam NY, unlike its
> namesake, is not nookshotten with cycleways, in fact we didn't see a
> one.
>
> What we could see were some of the bright towers of commercial
> hospitality, moments work for a flying crow. But we were neither crows
> nor motorists, and our way was blocked by a moat of freeway, with
> numerous overpasses swooping about. We looked for a reasonable way to
> cross, but failed. At one point I convinced my friend to try one of the
> overpasses, closed for construction, and we did until he, being the
> wiser of the two, rebelled, and we gave up.
>
> So we turned to the wisdom of the interwebs, asking "fleabag near me?",
> and found one, not far away. GPS confidently offered to guide us.
> After several times being asked to turn where there didn't seem to be
> one, we lost faith in GPS and sought human counsel.
>
> One of the few signs of life on our benighted side of town was an
> Italian restaurant; we went in and pestered the waitresses. They
> took a page from Mr Muzi's store clerks, and seemed ignorant of any of
> the local surface streets. Or maybe it was just the dinner rush.
>
> Not long afterwards, we did get some likely sounding directions from a
> guy leaving the restaurant. He knew just where we wanted to go, and
> understood our limitations in getting there.
>
> The first thing, he told us, was a large hill, and indeed, there was.
> I'm sure the slowest of my readers (in climbing, not reading), would
> have spun right up it, but, being made of slacker stuff, we were soon
> reduced to walking.
>
> It took a while. I can't say how long, but it was quite dark by the time
> we got to the top. When we got there, we saw the very same guy, waiting
> for us. He had a large, black, diesel pickup, or maybe it was one of
> those "tactical" black minivans. He told us he had realized that his
> directions were perhaps not sufficiently clear, and thought we might
> take a wrong turn, as we almost surely would have. Just turn there, he
> said, it's right around the corner. And so it was, or I would be
> telling a different story.

Nice.

I recall a similar event in one of our European trips, trying to follow
ever more helpful directions to lodging, but terribly hampered by our
lack of language skills. We got to our hotel eventually but it was by a
sort of spiral path, after about three circuits around.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 4:45:10 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:25:52 -0400, Radey Shouman
> <sho...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> writes:
> >
> >> On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 16:37:45 -0400, Radey Shouman
> >> <sho...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> On 10/19/2022 12:47 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>> On 10/19/2022 11:35 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>> On 10/19/2022 10:22 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>> ... they are all life's losers and I am a winner.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How's the neighborhood going, Tom? Are you still living
> >>>>>> where you hear gunshots almost every day? Are the "illegal
> >>>>>> immigrants" still taking over the streets due to zero police
> >>>>>> enforcement? Are you still having trouble affording
> >>>>>> groceries, and still having to spend a fortune to eat a
> >>>>>> decent restaurant meal? Has all your churning of your bike
> >>>>>> collection ever gotten you a bike on which you can just
> >>>>>> enjoy riding? Are your handlebars still slipping in the
> >>>>>> stem, your derailleurs still going out of adjustment, your
> >>>>>> cables still "stretching," your Garmin still giving you
> >>>>>> fits? Is your wife still spending money faster than your
> >>>>>> Social Security delivers it? Are you still having trouble
> >>>>>> with the terrible water quality in your town? Are your
> >>>>>> terrible roads still beating you up when you ride and
> >>>>>> forcing you to ride so slowly? Are people still refusing to
> >>>>>> buy the Frankenbikes you keep trying to sell for profit on
> >>>>>> Craigslist?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So much winning!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> to wit:
> >>>>> https://www.kron4.com/news/veteran-hollywood-actress-turned-activist-tweets-video-of-trash-in-oakland/
> >>>>
> >>>> We have none of that in my little suburban village. We have a system
> >>>> in place that prevents that sort of thing. It's a weather system.
> >>>>
> >>>> As an example: Right now it's about 40 degrees Fahrenheit, breezy and
> >>>> spitting rain. Almost nobody here wants to live in a tent or a shack..
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom needs to move out of that hell hole and get to somewhere with
> >>>> inclement weather!
> >>>
> >>>Weather may provide an incentive, but it's not a guarantee. I know of
> >>>several homeless tents not far from where I live, and the weather here
> >>>is likely colder and rainier than in Ohio. So far they don't cause much
> >>>trouble that I can see. The cops do sometimes roust them out and trash
> >>>their stuff. In winter there are fewer living outdoors, but I have seen
> >>>homeless guys sleeping on the streets of Boston when it was -10F.
> >>>
> >>>I suspect that in your "little village" law enforcement pressure and
> >>>scarce begging opportunities are a bigger factor than weather.
> >>
> >> Frank lives in one of the least diverse places in the country. They
> >> don't have any race riots there, so the polices are free to handle the
> >> common riff raff.
> >>
> >> https://bestneighborhood.org/race-in-poland-oh/
> >
> >I'm not sure what race has to do with it. I see homeless people in all
> >shades and varieties. The visible ones are mostly men, however, seems
> >like sexism at work.
> I'll try to be a little clearer. Without racial diversity, there's
> not likely to be any race riots leaving the police free to run the
> homeless beggars off the streetcorners..
> >>>> On our coast-to-coast bike tour, we stopped in North Dakota's state
> >>>> museum in Bismarck. They had a large sign: "Minus 40 degrees keeps the
> >>>> riff-raff out."
> >>>>
> >>>> (IME, even positive 40 degrees does the job.)
One of the things you have to understand is that a significant if not majority of the homeless have jobs and try to work like most people. With the Biden, like the Obama, wages nearly nothing compared to the cost of living, they are forced into living in cars or even tents. Beggars may very well be those who cannot find work because homeless, they cannot provide a suitably good appearance.

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 12:35:07 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 10/19/2022 10:22 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > ... they are all life's losers and I am a winner.
>
> How's the neighborhood going, Tom? Are you still living where you hear
> gunshots almost every day? Are the "illegal immigrants" still taking
> over the streets due to zero police enforcement? Are you still having
> trouble affording groceries, and still having to spend a fortune to eat
> a decent restaurant meal? Has all your churning of your bike collection
> ever gotten you a bike on which you can just enjoy riding? Are your
> handlebars still slipping in the stem, your derailleurs still going out
> of adjustment, your cables still "stretching," your Garmin still giving
> you fits? Is your wife still spending money faster than your Social
> Security delivers it? Are you still having trouble with the terrible
> water quality in your town? Are your terrible roads still beating you up
> when you ride and forcing you to ride so slowly? Are people still
> refusing to buy the Frankenbikes you keep trying to sell for profit on
> Craigslist?
>
> So much winning!
>

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