On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 11:15:20 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 11/2/2022 10:15 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 11/1/2022 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Nov 2022 10:29:29 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
>>> <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 09:30:35 +0700, John B.
>>>> <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ayup, as my granddad used to say, But I read that there
>>>>> are something
>>>>> like 7 million illegal immigrants working in the U.S. -
>>>>> some 4.4
>>>>> percent of the country’s workforce.
>>>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_force_in_the_United_States>
>>>>
>>>> "The U.S. labor force reached a high of 164.6 million
>>>> persons in
>>>> February 2020".
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/US#>
>>>>
>>>> 11,047,000 Unauthorized population in USA. That would be
>>>> 6.7%.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/US#laborforce>
>>>>
>>>> 6,829,000 or 65% employed or 4.1% of the labor force.
>>>> Close enough to
>>>> your 4.4% figure.
>>>> 3,157,000 or 30% not in labor force, which I think is the
>>>> same as not
>>>> actively seeking employment.
>>>>
>>>>> If the country can hire all those Illegal's why not
>>>>> citizens?
>>>>
>>>> Good question. My guess(tm) is a large part of the
>>>> available
>>>> workforce is not willing to do the type of work that the
>>>> immigrants
>>>> are currently doing. A few years before the pandemic
>>>> started, there
>>>> was an op-ed article in the local newspaper asking the
>>>> same question.
>>>> One of my customers at the time ran a landscaping
>>>> business. His reply
>>>> was that he had tried to hire students and Anglos but
>>>> failed to find
>>>> anyone willing to do the work (presumably at a low pay
>>>> scale).
>>>
>>> You mean like picking peas, spreading asphalt and gravel
>>> on roofs,
>>> digging ditches, and doing all those jobs that common
>>> ordinary folks
>>> used to do... not that long ago?
>>
>> Yes, jobs like that. Maybe three years ago I read a long
>> article (and I think I linked to it here) about a farmer in
>> some southern U.S. state, probably Georgia. He had a large
>> tomato farm. He tried like crazy to hire U.S. citizens to do
>> the field work but absolutely couldn't get people to work.
>> He said only immigrants were willing to do it.
>>
>>> Frank, for example, just a few days ago talked about
>>> renting a "small
>>> ditcher" to dig a ditch for an electric cable from the
>>> house to the
>>> garage. A job that only a few years ago would be done by
>>> the "master
>>> of the household" with a spade, but today requires a machine.
>>
>> That's true. For more detail: This trench was to run 240V to
>> my detached garage for charging the new car. Decades ago I
>> hand-dug the trench to run 120V out to the garage. But I was
>> much younger and stronger then. I've definitely noticed I
>> get tired way faster than I used to.
>>
>> My first attempt this year was to hire the teenager down the
>> street to help me dig by hand. At first he said yes, then
>> changed his mind. When I learned that small trenchers are
>> available to rent, I decided on that - but I changed my mind.
>>
>> Why? Prosperity! My extended family members often tell me
>> "Just hire someone! You can easily afford it!" And they are
>> right. I get a feeling of accomplishment from doing many
>> jobs, but I'm glad I hired this one out.
>>
>> Again: Prosperity! Immigrants are seldom prosperous. They
>> have always taken on whatever jobs were available, no matter
>> how lowly or difficult. More prosperous Americans are more
>> choosy.
>>
>> In any case, the nation's unemployment rate is very, very
>> low right now. And even Trump hired immigrants, including
>> illegals. It probably saved him hundreds of dollars.
>>
>
>Exactly. If the greenie religion takes over (anti fuel,
>anti machinery, anti efficient farming) humans will suffer
>greatly, in large numbers for a good long while.

And... farm animals emit noxious gases, from both ends, so we'll need
to get rid of them and chop the cotton by hand, as they did some 150
years ago. And, of course, without farm animals the days of the
"quarter pounder with cheese" will be only a memory
--
Cheers,

John B.