Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.

Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
>
> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!

About the same temperature though wet here. Which is tedious as my commute
covers some gravel path, goes from dusty to gritty.

Roger Merriman

On 11/10/2022 10:31 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
>>
>> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
>
> About the same temperature though wet here. Which is tedious as my commute
> covers some gravel path, goes from dusty to gritty.
>
> Roger Merriman
>

But nicer than our usual snow/slush this time of year!

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 11/10/2022 10:31 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
>>>
>>> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
>>
>> About the same temperature though wet here. Which is tedious as my commute
>> covers some gravel path, goes from dusty to gritty.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>>
>
> But nicer than our usual snow/slush this time of year!
>

For commuting yes my bike isn’t set up for that, plus ice etc can require
care and makes it hard work.

Off road MTB in particular is great fun, loads of grip yet can drift if one
choose etc.

Gravel bike is likewise as along as it’s not deep as it can’t claw its way
through!

Roger Merriman

On 11/10/2022 8:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
>
> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!

+1, although my days never start with dawn, nor coffee.

But beautiful riding weather!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 8:23:22 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 11/10/2022 8:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
> >
> > Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
> +1, although my days never start with dawn, nor coffee.
>
> But beautiful riding weather!
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

I’m not complaining either. Tomorrow again sunny and 15C.

Lou

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 14:23:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 11/10/2022 8:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
>>
>> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
>
>+1, although my days never start with dawn, nor coffee.
>
>But beautiful riding weather!

Early to bed, early to rise... I'm usually up before five, sometimes
before four, sometimes even before three. The best time of the day is
before the lazy slackers crawl out of bed. That's when I always got
the most non-physical stuff done. However, I need the sunshine for a
bike rides, kayaking, and other physical activity. I do better in 80s
and 90s than 60s and 70s.. That goes back to my early years too. Most
farm/ranch work involved a lot of sweat.

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 14:23:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 11/10/2022 8:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
> >>
> >> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
> >
> >+1, although my days never start with dawn, nor coffee.
> >
> >But beautiful riding weather!
> Early to bed, early to rise... I'm usually up before five, sometimes
> before four, sometimes even before three. The best time of the day is
> before the lazy slackers crawl out of bed. That's when I always got
> the most non-physical stuff done. However, I need the sunshine for a
> bike rides, kayaking, and other physical activity. I do better in 80s
> and 90s than 60s and 70s.. That goes back to my early years too. Most
> farm/ranch work involved a lot of sweat.

Well, I'm up at 5:00 usually. Hangover from me being the first one to work to unlock all of the doors, make the coffee and then start on the firmware.

Got up today, there's a man coming by to buy my C50 Colnago, Very odd thing - this bike has been on Craigslist for two months without a peep and then suddenly three people wanted it. Rather than forcing them into a bidding war I told them I would increase the price by $300 and the first one to respond would get it. One guy came back almost immediately and said "Sorry I took so long. I want it" I still haven't heard from the other two which tells me that they were going to low ball me.

But Thursday's are my riding day. So I told him he could pick it up after 1 pm. So he is driving over from San Francisco right now and I expect he'll be here around 2. It is a lot of money and he doesn't want to carry that much so he is bringing a check and we'll drive up to my local bank which is only 1/2 mile away, they can clear the check immediately.

I took off at 8:30 and was back by 12:30 with a little over 39 miles and 2400 feet of climbing. I guess I was in a hurry since my average speed was a mph faster than normal. There is an odd thing that has bothered me about Garmin reports. They always have more climbing feet than descending. It isn't as if the altitude compensation for temperature is screwing with it because it does this if the temperature during the day moves in the opposite direction. I considered that maybe it measured the descent and then subtracted the altitude of the target but that doesn't calculate either.

So perhaps someday Garmin will update their software and get rid of the odd glitch.

Nice thing - although it was sunny and bright, it was cold and the roads were completely empty of cyclists until on my way back at midday. So I wasn't tempted to try and keep up with young people. At the coffee shop as I was about to leave, a friend that I rode centuries with came in and met another guy I rode with though I think that he had a heart attack and has stopped riding my sorts of rides. He is 8 years younger than me too.

On my ride I've been riding "moderately" and a lot of the times when I look down I'm doing between 15 and 17 mph. My "hard" training rides are in the hills.

On 11/10/2022 3:43 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 14:23:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/10/2022 8:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
>>>>
>>>> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
>>>
>>> +1, although my days never start with dawn, nor coffee.
>>>
>>> But beautiful riding weather!
>> Early to bed, early to rise... I'm usually up before five, sometimes
>> before four, sometimes even before three. The best time of the day is
>> before the lazy slackers crawl out of bed. That's when I always got
>> the most non-physical stuff done. However, I need the sunshine for a
>> bike rides, kayaking, and other physical activity. I do better in 80s
>> and 90s than 60s and 70s.. That goes back to my early years too. Most
>> farm/ranch work involved a lot of sweat.
>
> Well, I'm up at 5:00 usually. Hangover from me being the first one to work to unlock all of the doors, make the coffee and then start on the firmware.
>
> Got up today, there's a man coming by to buy my C50 Colnago, Very odd thing - this bike has been on Craigslist for two months without a peep and then suddenly three people wanted it. Rather than forcing them into a bidding war I told them I would increase the price by $300 and the first one to respond would get it. One guy came back almost immediately and said "Sorry I took so long. I want it" I still haven't heard from the other two which tells me that they were going to low ball me.
>
> But Thursday's are my riding day. So I told him he could pick it up after 1 pm. So he is driving over from San Francisco right now and I expect he'll be here around 2. It is a lot of money and he doesn't want to carry that much so he is bringing a check and we'll drive up to my local bank which is only 1/2 mile away, they can clear the check immediately.
>
> I took off at 8:30 and was back by 12:30 with a little over 39 miles and 2400 feet of climbing. I guess I was in a hurry since my average speed was a mph faster than normal. There is an odd thing that has bothered me about Garmin reports. They always have more climbing feet than descending. It isn't as if the altitude compensation for temperature is screwing with it because it does this if the temperature during the day moves in the opposite direction. I considered that maybe it measured the descent and then subtracted the altitude of the target but that doesn't calculate either.
>
> So perhaps someday Garmin will update their software and get rid of the odd glitch.
>
> Nice thing - although it was sunny and bright, it was cold and the roads were completely empty of cyclists until on my way back at midday. So I wasn't tempted to try and keep up with young people. At the coffee shop as I was about to leave, a friend that I rode centuries with came in and met another guy I rode with though I think that he had a heart attack and has stopped riding my sorts of rides. He is 8 years younger than me too.
>
> On my ride I've been riding "moderately" and a lot of the times when I look down I'm doing between 15 and 17 mph. My "hard" training rides are in the hills.
>

" more climbing feet than descending."

I don't own any electronics but I have noticed that on every
bike I've ridden for over fifty years. It's relativity:

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/albert_einstein_502391

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 13:43:19 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 14:23:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 11/10/2022 8:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
>> >>
>> >> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
>> >
>> >+1, although my days never start with dawn, nor coffee.
>> >
>> >But beautiful riding weather!
>> Early to bed, early to rise... I'm usually up before five, sometimes
>> before four, sometimes even before three. The best time of the day is
>> before the lazy slackers crawl out of bed. That's when I always got
>> the most non-physical stuff done. However, I need the sunshine for a
>> bike rides, kayaking, and other physical activity. I do better in 80s
>> and 90s than 60s and 70s.. That goes back to my early years too. Most
>> farm/ranch work involved a lot of sweat.
>
>Well, I'm up at 5:00 usually. Hangover from me being the first one to work to unlock all of the doors, make the coffee and then start on the firmware.
>
>Got up today, there's a man coming by to buy my C50 Colnago, Very odd thing - this bike has been on Craigslist for two months without a peep and then suddenly three people wanted it. Rather than forcing them into a bidding war I told them I would increase the price by $300 and the first one to respond would get it. One guy came back almost immediately and said "Sorry I took so long. I want it" I still haven't heard from the other two which tells me that they were going to low ball me.
>
>But Thursday's are my riding day. So I told him he could pick it up after 1 pm. So he is driving over from San Francisco right now and I expect he'll be here around 2. It is a lot of money and he doesn't want to carry that much so he is bringing a check and we'll drive up to my local bank which is only 1/2 mile away, they can clear the check immediately.
>
>I took off at 8:30 and was back by 12:30 with a little over 39 miles and 2400 feet of climbing. I guess I was in a hurry since my average speed was a mph faster than normal. There is an odd thing that has bothered me about Garmin reports. They always have more climbing feet than descending. It isn't as if the altitude compensation for temperature is screwing with it because it does this if the temperature during the day moves in the opposite direction. I considered that maybe it measured the descent and then subtracted the altitude of the target but that doesn't calculate either.
>
>So perhaps someday Garmin will update their software and get rid of the odd glitch.
>
>Nice thing - although it was sunny and bright, it was cold and the roads were completely empty of cyclists until on my way back at midday. So I wasn't tempted to try and keep up with young people. At the coffee shop as I was about to leave, a friend that I rode centuries with came in and met another guy I rode with though I think that he had a heart attack and has stopped riding my sorts of rides. He is 8 years younger than me too.
>
>On my ride I've been riding "moderately" and a lot of the times when I look down I'm doing between 15 and 17 mph. My "hard" training rides are in the hills.

I can do some short sprints of a half mile or so at 16/17 MPH, but
then I'll back off and putter along at 11 or 12 for a while. It's
more important for me to do my 40 miles and keep my max heart rate
under 140.

Am 10.11.2022 um 22:56 schrieb Catrike Rider:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 13:43:19 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 14:23:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/10/2022 8:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
>>>>
>>>> +1, although my days never start with dawn, nor coffee.
>>>>
>>>> But beautiful riding weather!
>>> Early to bed, early to rise... I'm usually up before five, sometimes
>>> before four, sometimes even before three. The best time of the day is
>>> before the lazy slackers crawl out of bed. That's when I always got
>>> the most non-physical stuff done. However, I need the sunshine for a
>>> bike rides, kayaking, and other physical activity. I do better in 80s
>>> and 90s than 60s and 70s.. That goes back to my early years too. Most
>>> farm/ranch work involved a lot of sweat.
>>
>> Well, I'm up at 5:00 usually. Hangover from me being the first one to work to unlock all of the doors, make the coffee and then start on the firmware.
>>
>> Got up today, there's a man coming by to buy my C50 Colnago, Very odd thing - this bike has been on Craigslist for two months without a peep and then suddenly three people wanted it. Rather than forcing them into a bidding war I told them I would increase the price by $300 and the first one to respond would get it. One guy came back almost immediately and said "Sorry I took so long. I want it" I still haven't heard from the other two which tells me that they were going to low ball me.
>>
>> But Thursday's are my riding day. So I told him he could pick it up after 1 pm. So he is driving over from San Francisco right now and I expect he'll be here around 2. It is a lot of money and he doesn't want to carry that much so he is bringing a check and we'll drive up to my local bank which is only 1/2 mile away, they can clear the check immediately.
>>
>> I took off at 8:30 and was back by 12:30 with a little over 39 miles and 2400 feet of climbing. I guess I was in a hurry since my average speed was a mph faster than normal. There is an odd thing that has bothered me about Garmin reports. They always have more climbing feet than descending. It isn't as if the altitude compensation for temperature is screwing with it because it does this if the temperature during the day moves in the opposite direction. I considered that maybe it measured the descent and then subtracted the altitude of the target but that doesn't calculate either.
>>
>> So perhaps someday Garmin will update their software and get rid of the odd glitch.
>>
>> Nice thing - although it was sunny and bright, it was cold and the roads were completely empty of cyclists until on my way back at midday. So I wasn't tempted to try and keep up with young people. At the coffee shop as I was about to leave, a friend that I rode centuries with came in and met another guy I rode with though I think that he had a heart attack and has stopped riding my sorts of rides. He is 8 years younger than me too.
>>
>> On my ride I've been riding "moderately" and a lot of the times when I look down I'm doing between 15 and 17 mph. My "hard" training rides are in the hills.
>
> I can do some short sprints of a half mile or so at 16/17 MPH, but
> then I'll back off and putter along at 11 or 12 for a while. It's
> more important for me to do my 40 miles and keep my max heart rate
> under 140.

I manage 15 mph average for half an hour keeping the max heart rate
around 120 these days ;-)

https://www.strava.com/activities/8032577582/analysis

Last time I managed to push heart rate up to 140 must have been in
spring when my recumbent was new and I was spinning in low gears.
https://www.strava.com/activities/7060369033/analysis

Rolf

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 10:26:13 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

>Am 10.11.2022 um 22:56 schrieb Catrike Rider:
>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 13:43:19 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 14:23:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/2022 8:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
>>>>>
>>>>> +1, although my days never start with dawn, nor coffee.
>>>>>
>>>>> But beautiful riding weather!
>>>> Early to bed, early to rise... I'm usually up before five, sometimes
>>>> before four, sometimes even before three. The best time of the day is
>>>> before the lazy slackers crawl out of bed. That's when I always got
>>>> the most non-physical stuff done. However, I need the sunshine for a
>>>> bike rides, kayaking, and other physical activity. I do better in 80s
>>>> and 90s than 60s and 70s.. That goes back to my early years too. Most
>>>> farm/ranch work involved a lot of sweat.
>>>
>>> Well, I'm up at 5:00 usually. Hangover from me being the first one to work to unlock all of the doors, make the coffee and then start on the firmware.
>>>
>>> Got up today, there's a man coming by to buy my C50 Colnago, Very odd thing - this bike has been on Craigslist for two months without a peep and then suddenly three people wanted it. Rather than forcing them into a bidding war I told them I would increase the price by $300 and the first one to respond would get it. One guy came back almost immediately and said "Sorry I took so long. I want it" I still haven't heard from the other two which tells me that they were going to low ball me.
>>>
>>> But Thursday's are my riding day. So I told him he could pick it up after 1 pm. So he is driving over from San Francisco right now and I expect he'll be here around 2. It is a lot of money and he doesn't want to carry that much so he is bringing a check and we'll drive up to my local bank which is only 1/2 mile away, they can clear the check immediately.
>>>
>>> I took off at 8:30 and was back by 12:30 with a little over 39 miles and 2400 feet of climbing. I guess I was in a hurry since my average speed was a mph faster than normal. There is an odd thing that has bothered me about Garmin reports. They always have more climbing feet than descending. It isn't as if the altitude compensation for temperature is screwing with it because it does this if the temperature during the day moves in the opposite direction. I considered that maybe it measured the descent and then subtracted the altitude of the target but that doesn't calculate either.
>>>
>>> So perhaps someday Garmin will update their software and get rid of the odd glitch.
>>>
>>> Nice thing - although it was sunny and bright, it was cold and the roads were completely empty of cyclists until on my way back at midday. So I wasn't tempted to try and keep up with young people. At the coffee shop as I was about to leave, a friend that I rode centuries with came in and met another guy I rode with though I think that he had a heart attack and has stopped riding my sorts of rides. He is 8 years younger than me too.
>>>
>>> On my ride I've been riding "moderately" and a lot of the times when I look down I'm doing between 15 and 17 mph. My "hard" training rides are in the hills.
>>
>> I can do some short sprints of a half mile or so at 16/17 MPH, but
>> then I'll back off and putter along at 11 or 12 for a while. It's
>> more important for me to do my 40 miles and keep my max heart rate
>> under 140.
>
>I manage 15 mph average for half an hour keeping the max heart rate
>around 120 these days ;-)
>
>https://www.strava.com/activities/8032577582/analysis
>
>Last time I managed to push heart rate up to 140 must have been in
>spring when my recumbent was new and I was spinning in low gears.
>https://www.strava.com/activities/7060369033/analysis
>
>Rolf

My doctor says I'm much better off with my heart rate between 110 and
120 on my rides. I can easily push my heart rate above 140 by the end
of a ride if I don't back off regularly, which I've been doing lately.
Riding in the reclined position seems to exasperate my lifelong
problem of getting light headed or even passing out when I stand up
too fast. That problem seems to worsen in direct correlation to my
exercize heart rate.

On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 1:26:17 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 10.11.2022 um 22:56 schrieb Catrike Rider:
> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 13:43:19 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 14:23:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 11/10/2022 8:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
> >>>>
> >>>> +1, although my days never start with dawn, nor coffee.
> >>>>
> >>>> But beautiful riding weather!
> >>> Early to bed, early to rise... I'm usually up before five, sometimes
> >>> before four, sometimes even before three. The best time of the day is
> >>> before the lazy slackers crawl out of bed. That's when I always got
> >>> the most non-physical stuff done. However, I need the sunshine for a
> >>> bike rides, kayaking, and other physical activity. I do better in 80s
> >>> and 90s than 60s and 70s.. That goes back to my early years too. Most
> >>> farm/ranch work involved a lot of sweat.
> >>
> >> Well, I'm up at 5:00 usually. Hangover from me being the first one to work to unlock all of the doors, make the coffee and then start on the firmware.
> >>
> >> Got up today, there's a man coming by to buy my C50 Colnago, Very odd thing - this bike has been on Craigslist for two months without a peep and then suddenly three people wanted it. Rather than forcing them into a bidding war I told them I would increase the price by $300 and the first one to respond would get it. One guy came back almost immediately and said "Sorry I took so long. I want it" I still haven't heard from the other two which tells me that they were going to low ball me.
> >>
> >> But Thursday's are my riding day. So I told him he could pick it up after 1 pm. So he is driving over from San Francisco right now and I expect he'll be here around 2. It is a lot of money and he doesn't want to carry that much so he is bringing a check and we'll drive up to my local bank which is only 1/2 mile away, they can clear the check immediately.
> >>
> >> I took off at 8:30 and was back by 12:30 with a little over 39 miles and 2400 feet of climbing. I guess I was in a hurry since my average speed was a mph faster than normal. There is an odd thing that has bothered me about Garmin reports. They always have more climbing feet than descending. It isn't as if the altitude compensation for temperature is screwing with it because it does this if the temperature during the day moves in the opposite direction. I considered that maybe it measured the descent and then subtracted the altitude of the target but that doesn't calculate either.
> >>
> >> So perhaps someday Garmin will update their software and get rid of the odd glitch.
> >>
> >> Nice thing - although it was sunny and bright, it was cold and the roads were completely empty of cyclists until on my way back at midday. So I wasn't tempted to try and keep up with young people. At the coffee shop as I was about to leave, a friend that I rode centuries with came in and met another guy I rode with though I think that he had a heart attack and has stopped riding my sorts of rides. He is 8 years younger than me too.
> >>
> >> On my ride I've been riding "moderately" and a lot of the times when I look down I'm doing between 15 and 17 mph. My "hard" training rides are in the hills.
> >
> > I can do some short sprints of a half mile or so at 16/17 MPH, but
> > then I'll back off and putter along at 11 or 12 for a while. It's
> > more important for me to do my 40 miles and keep my max heart rate
> > under 140.
> I manage 15 mph average for half an hour keeping the max heart rate
> around 120 these days ;-)
>
> https://www.strava.com/activities/8032577582/analysis
>
> Last time I managed to push heart rate up to 140 must have been in
> spring when my recumbent was new and I was spinning in low gears.
> https://www.strava.com/activities/7060369033/analysis

My heart rate monitor is something of a loose fit and until I start sweating it doesn't make good enough contact to read well. But I think I will have to put it on for some rides anyway since I cannot remember what heart rate I am making.

Am 11.11.2022 um 16:51 schrieb Tom Kunich:
> On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 1:26:17 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 10.11.2022 um 22:56 schrieb Catrike Rider:
>>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 13:43:19 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-8, Catrike
>>>> Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 14:23:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/10/2022 8:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was
>>>>>>> 60F.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1, although my days never start with dawn, nor coffee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But beautiful riding weather!
>>>>> Early to bed, early to rise... I'm usually up before five,
>>>>> sometimes before four, sometimes even before three. The best
>>>>> time of the day is before the lazy slackers crawl out of bed.
>>>>> That's when I always got the most non-physical stuff done.
>>>>> However, I need the sunshine for a bike rides, kayaking, and
>>>>> other physical activity. I do better in 80s and 90s than 60s
>>>>> and 70s.. That goes back to my early years too. Most
>>>>> farm/ranch work involved a lot of sweat.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I'm up at 5:00 usually. Hangover from me being the first
>>>> one to work to unlock all of the doors, make the coffee and
>>>> then start on the firmware.
>>>>
>>>> Got up today, there's a man coming by to buy my C50 Colnago,
>>>> Very odd thing - this bike has been on Craigslist for two
>>>> months without a peep and then suddenly three people wanted it.
>>>> Rather than forcing them into a bidding war I told them I would
>>>> increase the price by $300 and the first one to respond would
>>>> get it. One guy came back almost immediately and said "Sorry I
>>>> took so long. I want it" I still haven't heard from the other
>>>> two which tells me that they were going to low ball me.
>>>>
>>>> But Thursday's are my riding day. So I told him he could pick
>>>> it up after 1 pm. So he is driving over from San Francisco
>>>> right now and I expect he'll be here around 2. It is a lot of
>>>> money and he doesn't want to carry that much so he is bringing
>>>> a check and we'll drive up to my local bank which is only 1/2
>>>> mile away, they can clear the check immediately.
>>>>
>>>> I took off at 8:30 and was back by 12:30 with a little over 39
>>>> miles and 2400 feet of climbing. I guess I was in a hurry since
>>>> my average speed was a mph faster than normal. There is an odd
>>>> thing that has bothered me about Garmin reports. They always
>>>> have more climbing feet than descending. It isn't as if the
>>>> altitude compensation for temperature is screwing with it
>>>> because it does this if the temperature during the day moves in
>>>> the opposite direction. I considered that maybe it measured the
>>>> descent and then subtracted the altitude of the target but that
>>>> doesn't calculate either.
>>>>
>>>> So perhaps someday Garmin will update their software and get
>>>> rid of the odd glitch.
>>>>
>>>> Nice thing - although it was sunny and bright, it was cold and
>>>> the roads were completely empty of cyclists until on my way
>>>> back at midday. So I wasn't tempted to try and keep up with
>>>> young people. At the coffee shop as I was about to leave, a
>>>> friend that I rode centuries with came in and met another guy I
>>>> rode with though I think that he had a heart attack and has
>>>> stopped riding my sorts of rides. He is 8 years younger than me
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> On my ride I've been riding "moderately" and a lot of the times
>>>> when I look down I'm doing between 15 and 17 mph. My "hard"
>>>> training rides are in the hills.
>>>
>>> I can do some short sprints of a half mile or so at 16/17 MPH,
>>> but then I'll back off and putter along at 11 or 12 for a while.
>>> It's more important for me to do my 40 miles and keep my max
>>> heart rate under 140.
>> I manage 15 mph average for half an hour keeping the max heart
>> rate around 120 these days ;-)
>>
>> https://www.strava.com/activities/8032577582/analysis
>>
>> Last time I managed to push heart rate up to 140 must have been in
>> spring when my recumbent was new and I was spinning in low gears.
>> https://www.strava.com/activities/7060369033/analysis
>
> My heart rate monitor is something of a loose fit and until I start
> sweating it doesn't make good enough contact to read well. But I
> think I will have to put it on for some rides anyway since I cannot
> remember what heart rate I am making.

I have my Garmin watch with HRM on my wrist all the time, day and night.
On this bike, this displays on the mobile phone (and sends the tracks
to Strava).

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 17:07:36 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

>Am 11.11.2022 um 16:51 schrieb Tom Kunich:
>> On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 1:26:17 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>> Am 10.11.2022 um 22:56 schrieb Catrike Rider:
>>>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 13:43:19 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-8, Catrike
>>>>> Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 14:23:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/10/2022 8:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was
>>>>>>>> 60F.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1, although my days never start with dawn, nor coffee.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But beautiful riding weather!
>>>>>> Early to bed, early to rise... I'm usually up before five,
>>>>>> sometimes before four, sometimes even before three. The best
>>>>>> time of the day is before the lazy slackers crawl out of bed.
>>>>>> That's when I always got the most non-physical stuff done.
>>>>>> However, I need the sunshine for a bike rides, kayaking, and
>>>>>> other physical activity. I do better in 80s and 90s than 60s
>>>>>> and 70s.. That goes back to my early years too. Most
>>>>>> farm/ranch work involved a lot of sweat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I'm up at 5:00 usually. Hangover from me being the first
>>>>> one to work to unlock all of the doors, make the coffee and
>>>>> then start on the firmware.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got up today, there's a man coming by to buy my C50 Colnago,
>>>>> Very odd thing - this bike has been on Craigslist for two
>>>>> months without a peep and then suddenly three people wanted it.
>>>>> Rather than forcing them into a bidding war I told them I would
>>>>> increase the price by $300 and the first one to respond would
>>>>> get it. One guy came back almost immediately and said "Sorry I
>>>>> took so long. I want it" I still haven't heard from the other
>>>>> two which tells me that they were going to low ball me.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Thursday's are my riding day. So I told him he could pick
>>>>> it up after 1 pm. So he is driving over from San Francisco
>>>>> right now and I expect he'll be here around 2. It is a lot of
>>>>> money and he doesn't want to carry that much so he is bringing
>>>>> a check and we'll drive up to my local bank which is only 1/2
>>>>> mile away, they can clear the check immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>> I took off at 8:30 and was back by 12:30 with a little over 39
>>>>> miles and 2400 feet of climbing. I guess I was in a hurry since
>>>>> my average speed was a mph faster than normal. There is an odd
>>>>> thing that has bothered me about Garmin reports. They always
>>>>> have more climbing feet than descending. It isn't as if the
>>>>> altitude compensation for temperature is screwing with it
>>>>> because it does this if the temperature during the day moves in
>>>>> the opposite direction. I considered that maybe it measured the
>>>>> descent and then subtracted the altitude of the target but that
>>>>> doesn't calculate either.
>>>>>
>>>>> So perhaps someday Garmin will update their software and get
>>>>> rid of the odd glitch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice thing - although it was sunny and bright, it was cold and
>>>>> the roads were completely empty of cyclists until on my way
>>>>> back at midday. So I wasn't tempted to try and keep up with
>>>>> young people. At the coffee shop as I was about to leave, a
>>>>> friend that I rode centuries with came in and met another guy I
>>>>> rode with though I think that he had a heart attack and has
>>>>> stopped riding my sorts of rides. He is 8 years younger than me
>>>>> too.
>>>>>
>>>>> On my ride I've been riding "moderately" and a lot of the times
>>>>> when I look down I'm doing between 15 and 17 mph. My "hard"
>>>>> training rides are in the hills.
>>>>
>>>> I can do some short sprints of a half mile or so at 16/17 MPH,
>>>> but then I'll back off and putter along at 11 or 12 for a while.
>>>> It's more important for me to do my 40 miles and keep my max
>>>> heart rate under 140.
>>> I manage 15 mph average for half an hour keeping the max heart
>>> rate around 120 these days ;-)
>>>
>>> https://www.strava.com/activities/8032577582/analysis
>>>
>>> Last time I managed to push heart rate up to 140 must have been in
>>> spring when my recumbent was new and I was spinning in low gears.
>>> https://www.strava.com/activities/7060369033/analysis
>>
>> My heart rate monitor is something of a loose fit and until I start
>> sweating it doesn't make good enough contact to read well. But I
>> think I will have to put it on for some rides anyway since I cannot
>> remember what heart rate I am making.
>
>I have my Garmin watch with HRM on my wrist all the time, day and night.
> On this bike, this displays on the mobile phone (and sends the tracks
>to Strava).

Me too, but I don't use Strava. I save the data to Garmin Connect and
then upload it to an Excel file where I can calculate totals and
averages, plot relationships, and reorder

Cloudy, with rain predicted for the afternoon, but I really wanted to
see some of the new stuff in Sprawl One. (I think the official name
is Marketplace of Warsaw.) Not to mention that I've been laid up with
a disgusting cough for weeks.

I checked the forecast before rolling out -- no longer predicting
rain, but snow! I failed to notice another slight difference in the
forecast.

I figured that if in addition to packing the bike (including refilling
the bottles, which I usually like to have last-minute fresh) and
laying out my clothes and the stuff that goes into my pockets, I laid
out my breakfast the day before (including sorting my breakfast pills
out from my supper pills), and if I adamantly refused to do any
vitally-important chores, I could roll out before ten o'clock.

Helped that we woke up earlier than usual. I rolled out at 8:53.

And when I came out of the new department store at 9:48, the air was
full of flakes. Those striking the pavement were still blowing away,
and it was cold enough that I could shake those that struck me off my
sleeves.

Even though I had a rain jacket in my pannier, if that had been rain,
I'd have been obliged to call for a ride. When it's 39 degrees out, I
don't run even a slight chance of getting wet -- not even when I'm
only ten or fifteen minutes from home and both shirts are wool.

I noted the time when I got home, but was too busy shaking snow off my
clothes to write it down before I'd forgotten what it was. At any
rate, it was before the time I'd have rolled out on a morning without
special preparations.

According to Google Maps, the ride totaled a smidge under four miles.

Snow began to accumulate soon after I got home, and prettied up the
piles of leaves in the back yard, but changed to rain during my nap.

I was tired the rest of the day, and now it's time to feed the cat and
go to bed.

A good ride, all in all.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 23:01:17 -0500,
Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> Cloudy, with rain predicted for the afternoon, but I really
> wanted to see some of the new stuff in Sprawl One.

> And when I came out of the new department store at 9:48, the
> air was full of flakes. Those striking the pavement were still
> blowing away, and it was cold enough that I could shake those
> that struck me off my sleeves.

> Snow began to accumulate soon after I got home, and prettied up
> the piles of leaves in the back yard, but changed to rain
> during my nap.

> A good ride, all in all.

Sounds like we have similar proclivities, though I wimped out
yesterday. I had thought to ride in the afternoon when the temps
were maxed. The rain/snow had even ended by then here. But I
just couldn't get up the gumption to get out. Good for you for
doing so, and thanks for the report!

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

On 11/12/2022 10:01 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
>
> Cloudy, with rain predicted for the afternoon, but I really wanted to
> see some of the new stuff in Sprawl One. (I think the official name
> is Marketplace of Warsaw.) Not to mention that I've been laid up with
> a disgusting cough for weeks.
>
> I checked the forecast before rolling out -- no longer predicting
> rain, but snow! I failed to notice another slight difference in the
> forecast.
>
> I figured that if in addition to packing the bike (including refilling
> the bottles, which I usually like to have last-minute fresh) and
> laying out my clothes and the stuff that goes into my pockets, I laid
> out my breakfast the day before (including sorting my breakfast pills
> out from my supper pills), and if I adamantly refused to do any
> vitally-important chores, I could roll out before ten o'clock.
>
> Helped that we woke up earlier than usual. I rolled out at 8:53.
>
> And when I came out of the new department store at 9:48, the air was
> full of flakes. Those striking the pavement were still blowing away,
> and it was cold enough that I could shake those that struck me off my
> sleeves.
>
> Even though I had a rain jacket in my pannier, if that had been rain,
> I'd have been obliged to call for a ride. When it's 39 degrees out, I
> don't run even a slight chance of getting wet -- not even when I'm
> only ten or fifteen minutes from home and both shirts are wool.
>
> I noted the time when I got home, but was too busy shaking snow off my
> clothes to write it down before I'd forgotten what it was. At any
> rate, it was before the time I'd have rolled out on a morning without
> special preparations.
>
> According to Google Maps, the ride totaled a smidge under four miles.
>
> Snow began to accumulate soon after I got home, and prettied up the
> piles of leaves in the back yard, but changed to rain during my nap.
>
> I was tired the rest of the day, and now it's time to feed the cat and
> go to bed.
>
> A good ride, all in all.
>

Thank you. Yes sounds like a good ride!

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Am Thu, 10 Nov 2022 14:23:18 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:

>On 11/10/2022 8:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
>>
>> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
>
>+1, although my days never start with dawn, nor coffee.
>
>But beautiful riding weather!

I've mixed feelings about that, given that we most probably have to
thank burning oil and climate change for that. :-/

Anyway, of course I enjoy the rides. I'm glad that at least occasional
there is at least some content related to cycling here in
rec.bicycles.tech. After reading mostly lengthy postings about weapons,
shootings here, I've had almost given up scanning for bicycle releated
content.

Personally, I'm not talking much about my rides here, because my reports
are written in German for a local audience.

But because I happened to ride a nice bike tour on the very same day, I
want to present it here. The first URL below shows a single page with
mostly pictures. I've let Google Translate do the translation shown
here, because that's somewhat faster than me doing it from the scratch.
Somewhat, because I had do rewrite almost every raw translation.

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pluspora/plainpostings/20221111t1230-2022_11_10_hausrunde_mit_dem_rennrad_bonn_scheuren_und_zur%C3%BCck.html>

2022-11-10: Hausrunde mit dem Rennrad: Bonn -> Scheuren und zurück

Bonn <-> Scheuren
-----------------

Bonn, a middle sized town in the Rhine valley, is the former capital of
Germany, Scheuren a tiny village up the hills, southwest of Bonn

<https://www.google.com/maps/place/Scheuren,+53902+Bad+M%C3%BCnstereifel>

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/DSC01642.jpg>

I drove one of the usual home laps, 71 kilometers with around 650 meters
in altitude. Yesterday it was cool but sunny weather. I started at noon
at temperatures around 15°C, in mostly the same clothes as in spring and
midsummer (e.g. on the tour here,
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pluspora/plainpostings/20221015t1325-fr%C3%BChjahr_2022_eine_tour_mit_dem_rennrad_s%C3%BCdlich_des_mont_ventoux_z.html>
second picture), but supplemented by Vaude arm warmers. I only got a
little cold on the last few kilometers, when the air temperature in the
Kottenforst dropped to 10-11°C (ca. 50°F) in places that had been in the
shade for a long time. But if you generate the drive yourself and ride
fast enough, your own muscles will keep you warm for a surprisingly long
time, even with thin clothing. Below are five photos from the tour in
chronological order.

Beet Harvest
------------

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/DSC01647.jpg>

Apparently, most of the beet harvest has only just taken place, the
recently shown and now cleared beet pile at Gudenau Castle, which
stretches to the horizon, was probably an outlier. Grafschaft sugar
beets are processed into a sticky, dark brown syrup,
<https://www.google.de/search?q=grafschafter+goldsaft&source=lnms&tbm=isch>
which I don’t have the best memories of from my childhood. These beets
consist mostly of #sugar, which you can find not only in the sugar bowl,
but also well hidden in all kinds of food, often in excess.

Hilberather Straße
------------------

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/DSC01651.jpg>

The obligatory photo for the keyword "Roads are bicycle infrastructure"
->
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pluspora/plainpostings/20220710t2157-bicycle_infrastructure.html>

Some scenery pictures, between the villages Berg and Scheuren

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/DSC01660.jpg>

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/DSC01665.jpg>

A "Typenturm" near Volmershoven

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/DSC01672.jpg>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typenturm>

Almost back home. Picture taken from here

<https://www.google.com/maps/place/50%C2%B040'43.2%22N+7%C2%B001'38.9%22E/@50.6786734,7.0187099,2416m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xd9b67bbdf9af9c08!8m2!3d50.67867!4d7.02747>

(Partial) map of the ride
-------------------------

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/karte.JPG>

Technicals
----------

2022-11-10: 03:18:32 70.8 km 651 m up, 660 m down, 21.4 km/h

Elevation profile

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/profil.png>

This time I rode with the most constant power possible, which I can keep
up for a very long time. Specifically, about half the time in the
endurance and recovery power zones and only a quarter of the time in the
pace zone (118-140W). All in all, I only had to apply an average of 119
W over 71 km and 650 vertical meters and still rode it at an average of
over 21 km/h, i.e. less than half the rated continuous power of a
#pedelec

The speed distribution is interesting. I wrote a small script that shows
me in 5 km/h steps which distance I have cumulatively ridden at the
respective speed or faster. Two selected values:

25 km/h or more: 50%, 35.5 km

50 km/h or more: 5%, 3.5 km

In other words, I drove about half of the route at 25 km/h and more and
still about 5% of the route at 50 km/h and more. Here, too, riding a
bicycle differs enormously from driving a motor vehicle, which also
includes pedelecs (a German neologism for E-Bikes limited to 25 km/h and
250 W rated continuous power - "Nenndauerleistung"). This is important
because unfortunately (or rather: due to constant lobbying), these
motorized vehicles have gotten the legal status of bicycles in most of
Europe. As a cyclist, I would rather not be held accountable for the
bizarre driving behavior of people who drive these motor vehicles.

With a bicycle, my long distance averages could easily be topped by
motorized bicycles as these, but in reality people on pedelecs mostly
ride even slower, so I'm still faster. :-) However, this requires a
completely different way of ridig, which distinguishes the bicycle from
the car:

- You have to save your energy, you have to make do with less than the
typical Eco mode of a pedelec adds: 50% of 250W == 125W. (Or just use
Turbo mode, deliver 25W, get 400 % added, so you have 125 W)

- you have to adapt your riding speed to the situation according to your
own power budget, which amounts to half the rated continuous power or to
about a tenth of the power actually available for a pedelec, in a 30
minute window (up to 1 kW).

In practical terms this means: ride slower, down to 4 km/h or less on
uphill gradients, up to 50 km/h or more on downhill gradients, >25 km/h
wherever conditions permit. With a suitable bike and a good surface, the
average 129 W applied here is sufficient for a speed of 29 km/h, even
without a tailwind.

--
Thank you for observing all safety precautions

Am Fri, 11 Nov 2022 17:07:36 +0100 schrieb Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de>:

>I have my Garmin watch with HRM on my wrist all the time, day and night.
> On this bike, this displays on the mobile phone (and sends the tracks
>to Strava).

I dislike wrist watches, but can recommend the Polar Verity Sense
sensor. Only 17 g, long battery life, and more reliable then the belt
from Garmin, at least for me.

--
Wir danken für die Beachtung aller Sicherheitsbestimmungen

On 11/15/2022 6:24 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
>
> Personally, I'm not talking much about my rides here, because my reports
> are written in German for a local audience.
>
> But because I happened to ride a nice bike tour on the very same day, I
> want to present it here. The first URL below shows a single page with
> mostly pictures. I've let Google Translate do the translation shown
> here, because that's somewhat faster than me doing it from the scratch.
> Somewhat, because I had do rewrite almost every raw translation.
>
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pluspora/plainpostings/20221111t1230-2022_11_10_hausrunde_mit_dem_rennrad_bonn_scheuren_und_zur%C3%BCck.html>

Very nice. Although I love the look of mountains, my favorite riding
territory is like what you've pictured: rural or pastoral, smaller
roads, changing views, occasional towns or villages.

We're lucky to have hundreds of little known, low traffic roads in
similar landscapes around here.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:25:49 AM UTC-8, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
> Am Thu, 10 Nov 2022 14:23:18 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net>:
> >On 11/10/2022 8:34 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> Beautiful clear dawn and an hour after coffee it was 60F.
> >>
> >> Amazing for mid-November, life is good!
> >
> >+1, although my days never start with dawn, nor coffee.
> >
> >But beautiful riding weather!
> I've mixed feelings about that, given that we most probably have to
> thank burning oil and climate change for that. :-/
>
> Anyway, of course I enjoy the rides. I'm glad that at least occasional
> there is at least some content related to cycling here in
> rec.bicycles.tech. After reading mostly lengthy postings about weapons,
> shootings here, I've had almost given up scanning for bicycle releated
> content.
>
> Personally, I'm not talking much about my rides here, because my reports
> are written in German for a local audience.
>
> But because I happened to ride a nice bike tour on the very same day, I
> want to present it here. The first URL below shows a single page with
> mostly pictures. I've let Google Translate do the translation shown
> here, because that's somewhat faster than me doing it from the scratch.
> Somewhat, because I had do rewrite almost every raw translation.
>
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pluspora/plainpostings/20221111t1230-2022_11_10_hausrunde_mit_dem_rennrad_bonn_scheuren_und_zur%C3%BCck.html>
>
> 2022-11-10: Hausrunde mit dem Rennrad: Bonn -> Scheuren und zurück
>
>
> Bonn <-> Scheuren
> -----------------
>
> Bonn, a middle sized town in the Rhine valley, is the former capital of
> Germany, Scheuren a tiny village up the hills, southwest of Bonn
>
> <https://www.google.com/maps/place/Scheuren,+53902+Bad+M%C3%BCnstereifel>
>
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/DSC01642.jpg>
>
>
> I drove one of the usual home laps, 71 kilometers with around 650 meters
> in altitude. Yesterday it was cool but sunny weather. I started at noon
> at temperatures around 15°C, in mostly the same clothes as in spring and
> midsummer (e.g. on the tour here,
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pluspora/plainpostings/20221015t1325-fr%C3%BChjahr_2022_eine_tour_mit_dem_rennrad_s%C3%BCdlich_des_mont_ventoux_z.html>
> second picture), but supplemented by Vaude arm warmers. I only got a
> little cold on the last few kilometers, when the air temperature in the
> Kottenforst dropped to 10-11°C (ca. 50°F) in places that had been in the
> shade for a long time. But if you generate the drive yourself and ride
> fast enough, your own muscles will keep you warm for a surprisingly long
> time, even with thin clothing. Below are five photos from the tour in
> chronological order.
>
> Beet Harvest
> ------------
>
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/DSC01647.jpg>
>
>
> Apparently, most of the beet harvest has only just taken place, the
> recently shown and now cleared beet pile at Gudenau Castle, which
> stretches to the horizon, was probably an outlier. Grafschaft sugar
> beets are processed into a sticky, dark brown syrup,
> <https://www.google.de/search?q=grafschafter+goldsaft&source=lnms&tbm=isch>
> which I don’t have the best memories of from my childhood. These beets
> consist mostly of #sugar, which you can find not only in the sugar bowl,
> but also well hidden in all kinds of food, often in excess.
>
>
> Hilberather Straße
> ------------------
>
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/DSC01651.jpg>
>
> The obligatory photo for the keyword "Roads are bicycle infrastructure"
> ->
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pluspora/plainpostings/20220710t2157-bicycle_infrastructure.html>
>
>
> Some scenery pictures, between the villages Berg and Scheuren
>
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/DSC01660.jpg>
>
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/DSC01665.jpg>
>
>
> A "Typenturm" near Volmershoven
>
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/DSC01672.jpg>
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typenturm>
>
> Almost back home. Picture taken from here
>
> <https://www.google.com/maps/place/50%C2%B040'43.2%22N+7%C2%B001'38.9%22E/@50.6786734,7.0187099,2416m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xd9b67bbdf9af9c08!8m2!3d50.67867!4d7.02747>
>
>
> (Partial) map of the ride
> -------------------------
>
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/karte.JPG>
>
>
>
> Technicals
> ----------
>
>
> 2022-11-10: 03:18:32 70.8 km 651 m up, 660 m down, 21.4 km/h
>
>
> Elevation profile
>
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20221110/profil.png>
>
> This time I rode with the most constant power possible, which I can keep
> up for a very long time. Specifically, about half the time in the
> endurance and recovery power zones and only a quarter of the time in the
> pace zone (118-140W). All in all, I only had to apply an average of 119
> W over 71 km and 650 vertical meters and still rode it at an average of
> over 21 km/h, i.e. less than half the rated continuous power of a
> #pedelec
>
> The speed distribution is interesting. I wrote a small script that shows
> me in 5 km/h steps which distance I have cumulatively ridden at the
> respective speed or faster. Two selected values:
>
> 25 km/h or more: 50%, 35.5 km
>
> 50 km/h or more: 5%, 3.5 km
>
> In other words, I drove about half of the route at 25 km/h and more and
> still about 5% of the route at 50 km/h and more. Here, too, riding a
> bicycle differs enormously from driving a motor vehicle, which also
> includes pedelecs (a German neologism for E-Bikes limited to 25 km/h and
> 250 W rated continuous power - "Nenndauerleistung"). This is important
> because unfortunately (or rather: due to constant lobbying), these
> motorized vehicles have gotten the legal status of bicycles in most of
> Europe. As a cyclist, I would rather not be held accountable for the
> bizarre driving behavior of people who drive these motor vehicles.
>
> With a bicycle, my long distance averages could easily be topped by
> motorized bicycles as these, but in reality people on pedelecs mostly
> ride even slower, so I'm still faster. :-) However, this requires a
> completely different way of ridig, which distinguishes the bicycle from
> the car:
>
> - You have to save your energy, you have to make do with less than the
> typical Eco mode of a pedelec adds: 50% of 250W == 125W. (Or just use
> Turbo mode, deliver 25W, get 400 % added, so you have 125 W)
>
> - you have to adapt your riding speed to the situation according to your
> own power budget, which amounts to half the rated continuous power or to
> about a tenth of the power actually available for a pedelec, in a 30
> minute window (up to 1 kW).
>
> In practical terms this means: ride slower, down to 4 km/h or less on
> uphill gradients, up to 50 km/h or more on downhill gradients, >25 km/h
> wherever conditions permit. With a suitable bike and a good surface, the
> average 129 W applied here is sufficient for a speed of 29 km/h, even
> without a tailwind.
>
>
> --
> Thank you for observing all safety precautions
6 I tried my hardest to ride with the two other guys I did 40 km with today. But it is extremely difficult. I don't think that they are actually slower than me but one of them rides his touring bike about half the time and that weights probably 30 lbs. The other guy tries to ride behind him on a light road bike and so keeps overrunning him and hits the brakes to keep from running in to him. I am 4 bike lengths back and suddenly I almost hit him. So I have to move to the middle of the road and then he turns 90 degrees and now is in front of me with no forward motion! I have tried everything but at the beginning of the ride I will simply ride up the hill at my speed and I will wait 3 or 4 minutes for them to show up. There is a steep climb after that for only 100 yards followed by a steep descent and then another short climb before a long descent. It is impossible for me to ride behind these guys on a descent. Firstly they sit almost bolt upright so I am 5 kph faster than they are coasting and applying the brakes mildly. Secondly, they descend slowly without the additional problems. Today I waited for them at the top of hills and at the bottom of them for a total of 10 minutes! We're about the same age and I know Mr. Touring is faster than me when he is on a steel racing bike.