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* Re: Bicycle 'crackdown' continues, cyclists fear it may be permanentAbout Fucking Time Too
+- Re: Bicycle 'crackdown' continues, cyclists fear it may be permanentTom Kunich
`* Re: Bicycle 'crackdown' continues, cyclists fear it may be permanentScout
 `- Re: Bicycle 'crackdown' continues, cyclists fear it may be permanentTom Kunich

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 by: About Fucking Time T - Sat, 5 Nov 2022 10:07 UTC

In article <sr8d41$1bio$22@news.freedyn.de>
governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
>
> All you biking assholes who put cars on road diets thought you'd get away with it.
> Fuck you. Laws apply to everyone including you bastards.
>

It seems reports that the �bicycle crackdown� ended were
premature.

Enforcement targeting bike riders along the popular east-west
cycle route �The Wiggle� are back in force, bicyclists tell the
San Francisco Examiner.

Morgan Fitzgibbons, a cyclist and member of The City�s
Pedestrian Safety Advisory Committee, said he�s seen enforcement
return. �It�s been almost weekly,� Fitzgibbons said.

Targeting cyclists with tickets was a renewed effort from the
summer, when Park Station Capt. John Sanford controversially
started a �crackdown� on cyclists who roll through stop signs or
run red lights began along the Panhandle.

Soon after, Supervisor John Avalos proposed a �bike yield law,�
that would make ticketing cyclists who roll through stop signs
safely a low enforcement priority for police. That law will be
reviewed in a Board of Supervisors committee next week.

When Sanford announced the end of the enforcement action in
August he told the community �we can revisit it at any time.�

At a police commission meeting Wednesday night, Sanford verified
the bike enforcement�s back. �It�s exactly what I said to the
community,� he said, �that we could resume enforcement at any
time.�

Bike advocates claim the enforcement actions target cyclists who
pose no physical danger to pedestrians or themselves. One of
those cyclists is Katrina Sostek.

Sostek said she was ticketed for rolling through a stop sign at
Church and Duboce streets Nov. 30, but was traveling slowly and
safely. She showed a photo of her ticket to the Examiner. The
officer wrote her speed was less than five miles per hour. �I
wasn�t endangering anyone,� she said. �I slowed down, looked
both ways, and went through the intersection cautiously.�

Sanford said he will task his officers with ticketing cyclists
when Park Station receives complaints of unsafe cyclists. He
also said only 1 percent of all traffic enforcement in The City
is of cyclists. According to the San Francisco Municipal
Transportation Agency, bicycling represents 4 percent of all
private trips locally.

Chris Cassidy, San Francisco Bicycle Coalition spokesperson,
said the San Francisco Police Department should focus
enforcement on autos, as they�re the source of the most
dangerous collisions.

Fitzgibbons favors SFPD bringing enforcement levels in line with
the number of cycling trips in The City, with a caveat.

�Please, only [ticket] the ones who are being dangerous on the
road,� he said, �Do not waste your time ticketing people being
perfectly safe.�

https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/bicycle-crackdown-continues-
cyclists-fear-it-may-be-permanent/article_c14cce45-bdbe-5f4e-
a567-cd6d6d9b8c57.html#tncms-source=block-contextual-fallback

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 by: Tom Kunich - Sat, 5 Nov 2022 15:06 UTC

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 3:10:05 AM UTC-7, About Fucking Time Too wrote:
> In article <sr8d41$1bio$2...@news.freedyn.de>
> governo...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > All you biking assholes who put cars on road diets thought you'd get away with it.
> > Fuck you. Laws apply to everyone including you bastards.
> >
>
> It seems reports that the “bicycle crackdown” ended were
> premature.
>
> Enforcement targeting bike riders along the popular east-west
> cycle route “The Wiggle” are back in force, bicyclists tell the
> San Francisco Examiner.
>
> Morgan Fitzgibbons, a cyclist and member of The City’s
> Pedestrian Safety Advisory Committee, said he’s seen enforcement
> return. “It’s been almost weekly,” Fitzgibbons said.
>
> Targeting cyclists with tickets was a renewed effort from the
> summer, when Park Station Capt. John Sanford controversially
> started a “crackdown” on cyclists who roll through stop signs or
> run red lights began along the Panhandle.
>
> Soon after, Supervisor John Avalos proposed a “bike yield law,”
> that would make ticketing cyclists who roll through stop signs
> safely a low enforcement priority for police. That law will be
> reviewed in a Board of Supervisors committee next week.
>
> When Sanford announced the end of the enforcement action in
> August he told the community “we can revisit it at any time.”
>
> At a police commission meeting Wednesday night, Sanford verified
> the bike enforcement’s back. “It’s exactly what I said to the
> community,” he said, “that we could resume enforcement at any
> time.”
>
> Bike advocates claim the enforcement actions target cyclists who
> pose no physical danger to pedestrians or themselves. One of
> those cyclists is Katrina Sostek.
>
> Sostek said she was ticketed for rolling through a stop sign at
> Church and Duboce streets Nov. 30, but was traveling slowly and
> safely. She showed a photo of her ticket to the Examiner. The
> officer wrote her speed was less than five miles per hour. “I
> wasn’t endangering anyone,” she said. “I slowed down, looked
> both ways, and went through the intersection cautiously.”
>
> Sanford said he will task his officers with ticketing cyclists
> when Park Station receives complaints of unsafe cyclists. He
> also said only 1 percent of all traffic enforcement in The City
> is of cyclists. According to the San Francisco Municipal
> Transportation Agency, bicycling represents 4 percent of all
> private trips locally.
>
> Chris Cassidy, San Francisco Bicycle Coalition spokesperson,
> said the San Francisco Police Department should focus
> enforcement on autos, as they’re the source of the most
> dangerous collisions.
>
> Fitzgibbons favors SFPD bringing enforcement levels in line with
> the number of cycling trips in The City, with a caveat.
>
> “Please, only [ticket] the ones who are being dangerous on the
> road,” he said, “Do not waste your time ticketing people being
> perfectly safe.”
>
> https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/bicycle-crackdown-continues-
> cyclists-fear-it-may-be-permanent/article_c14cce45-bdbe-5f4e-
> a567-cd6d6d9b8c57.html#tncms-source=block-contextual-fallback

The problem with stopping in these conditions is that it takes time to get going again and cars continually in a rush try to cut you off. I've had them go straight in a left turn only lane while I was turning left in front of police who took no actions at all.

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 by: Scout - Mon, 7 Nov 2022 14:44 UTC

"About Fucking Time Too" <white-water@fuck.bikes> wrote in message
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> In article <sr8d41$1bio$22@news.freedyn.de>
> governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> All you biking assholes who put cars on road diets thought you'd get away
>> with it.
>> Fuck you. Laws apply to everyone including you bastards.
>>
>
> It seems reports that the "bicycle crackdown" ended were
> premature.

> "Please, only [ticket] the ones who are being dangerous on the
> road," he said, "Do not waste your time ticketing people being
> perfectly safe."

And when some bike rider gets run over and killed by an oncoming car..
everyone will complain how the police weren't enforcing bikes to stop for
the signs and lights...

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 by: Tom Kunich - Mon, 14 Nov 2022 19:56 UTC

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 6:54:17 AM UTC-8, Scout wrote:
> "About Fucking Time Too" <white...@fuck.bikes> wrote in message
> news:cee4c51600cf08dc...@dizum.com...
> > In article <sr8d41$1bio$2...@news.freedyn.de>
> > governo...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> All you biking assholes who put cars on road diets thought you'd get away
> >> with it.
> >> Fuck you. Laws apply to everyone including you bastards.
> >>
> >
> > It seems reports that the "bicycle crackdown" ended were
> > premature.
> > "Please, only [ticket] the ones who are being dangerous on the
> > road," he said, "Do not waste your time ticketing people being
> > perfectly safe."
> And when some bike rider gets run over and killed by an oncoming car..
> everyone will complain how the police weren't enforcing bikes to stop for
> the signs and lights...
Pardon me, but who the hell are you and what do you think you're talking about? If you let millions of people pour over the borders who don't have a clue about rules of the road don't complain that they are in your way.

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