I received another email telling me that the stupid five have been complaining about my comment that I helped to discover HIV.

I guess they believe that HIV was discovered by some scientist in his garage with a test tube and great biological knowledge when that's not the case at all.

HIV is a RARE virus in the body and it could not have been discovered without PCR which could multiply it millions of times. And I am the one that worked for Dr. Kary Mullis and developed the automation of PCR so that could be done on mass scales.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/163276237068?hash=item260405a90c:g:yBYAAOxy7AxSK3wI&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoKYvOEcKgUU%2FxiSWDjYPb05efrZXFUHQpegE79ciadquKFTXCEF5%2BzaNRRyE4UhcZD6ptKGtJvtK5Cjl%2FV6rrX85rUTNP98OUzgCRwiUaLwBnclvQPFGwSEf432xTlrArMRjxu%2Fspf6Lp9efWsjOjE3lu9Z3xRnX0upxwdFMpo6amS1HJWC7nVI50ZS07FdT00fBdMUp6OBYW8Rpu62aSwk%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR97E27yRYQ

The alligator tears from the stupid five show exactly how much ignorance and petty jealousy is in their makeup.

I'm sure that they will also deny the dozen additional instruments that I developed to improve the PCRs. Even though they all have the same keyboard I developed that could be completely sterilized.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 09:33:51 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>I received another email telling me that the stupid five have been complaining about my comment that I helped to discover HIV.
>
>I guess they believe that HIV was discovered by some scientist in his garage with a test tube and great biological knowledge when that's not the case at all.
>
>HIV is a RARE virus in the body and it could not have been discovered without PCR which could multiply it millions of times. And I am the one that worked for Dr. Kary Mullis and developed the automation of PCR so that could be done on mass scales.
>
>https://www.ebay.com/itm/163276237068?hash=item260405a90c:g:yBYAAOxy7AxSK3wI&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoKYvOEcKgUU%2FxiSWDjYPb05efrZXFUHQpegE79ciadquKFTXCEF5%2BzaNRRyE4UhcZD6ptKGtJvtK5Cjl%2FV6rrX85rUTNP98OUzgCRwiUaLwBnclvQPFGwSEf432xTlrArMRjxu%2Fspf6Lp9efWsjOjE3lu9Z3xRnX0upxwdFMpo6amS1HJWC7nVI50ZS07FdT00fBdMUp6OBYW8Rpu62aSwk%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR97E27yRYQ
>
>The alligator tears from the stupid five show exactly how much ignorance and petty jealousy is in their makeup.
>
>I'm sure that they will also deny the dozen additional instruments that I developed to improve the PCRs. Even though they all have the same keyboard I developed that could be completely sterilized.

No Tommy HIV wasn't discovered in someone's Garage it was discovered
by Luc Montagnier who worked at the Pasteur Institute in France. And
who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine for his work.

So stop your lying.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 09:33:51 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>I received another email telling me that the stupid five
>have been complaining about my comment that I helped to discover HIV.

Amazing. You mention your alleged work on HIV at least once per month
in RBT, probably to attract attention to yourself. When someone does
give you your monthly ration of attention, you claim that they were
complaining:
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=HIV>

>I guess they believe that HIV was discovered by some scientist in
>his garage with a test tube and great biological knowledge when
>that's not the case at all.

Bad guess. Try again.

>HIV is a RARE virus in the body and it could not have been discovered
>without PCR which could multiply it millions of times.

I think a more correct phrase is "...could not have been identified
without PCR..."

>And I am the one that worked for Dr. Kary Mullis and developed the
>automation of PCR so that could be done on mass scales.

Claiming to be "the one" sounds like you're claiming to be the only
one who worked with Dr Mullis at Cetus. Were there others perhaps
that also deserve some credit?

>https://www.ebay.com/itm/163276237068?hash=item260405a90c:g:yBYAAOxy7AxSK3wI&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoKYvOEcKgUU%2FxiSWDjYPb05efrZXFUHQpegE79ciadquKFTXCEF5%2BzaNRRyE4UhcZD6ptKGtJvtK5Cjl%2FV6rrX85rUTNP98OUzgCRwiUaLwBnclvQPFGwSEf432xTlrArMRjxu%2Fspf6Lp9efWsjOjE3lu9Z3xRnX0upxwdFMpo6amS1HJWC7nVI50ZS07FdT00fBdMUp6OBYW8Rpu62aSwk%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR97E27yRYQ

Please learn to edit URL's and remove tracking information. This
works just as well:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/163276237068>
More photos:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=perkin+elmer+cetus+pro%2Fpette+sampling+system&tbm=isch>

>The alligator tears from the stupid five show exactly how much
>ignorance and petty jealousy is in their makeup.

It never fails. Someone else is always to blame for your latest
tragedy. This time, it seems to be that you didn't get sufficient
credit for working with Dr Mullis on PCR. Petty jealousy perhaps?

>I'm sure that they will also deny the dozen additional instruments
>that I developed to improve the PCRs. Even though they all have
>the same keyboard I developed that could be completely sterilized.

Your resume indicates that you were at Cetus for 3 years and 5 months.
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
Producing 12 instruments in that time frame works out to one
instrument every 15 weeks. That's very impressive, especially since
the devices probably required FDA 510(k) approval.

Looking at your online resume again, I notice that you worked for
Cetus from Aug 1986 - Dec 1989. However, Dr Mullis quit Cetus in
1986. I couldn't find the exact month in 1986:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
So, the most you could have spent "working with" Dr Mullis at Cetus
was one year. Little wonder you didn't mention PCR or Dr Mullis on
your resume.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:01:14 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 09:33:51 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I received another email telling me that the stupid five
>>have been complaining about my comment that I helped to discover HIV.
>
>Amazing. You mention your alleged work on HIV at least once per month
>in RBT, probably to attract attention to yourself. When someone does
>give you your monthly ration of attention, you claim that they were
>complaining:
><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=HIV>
>
>>I guess they believe that HIV was discovered by some scientist in
>>his garage with a test tube and great biological knowledge when
>>that's not the case at all.
>
>Bad guess. Try again.
>
>>HIV is a RARE virus in the body and it could not have been discovered
>>without PCR which could multiply it millions of times.
>
>I think a more correct phrase is "...could not have been identified
>without PCR..."
>
>>And I am the one that worked for Dr. Kary Mullis and developed the
>>automation of PCR so that could be done on mass scales.
>
>Claiming to be "the one" sounds like you're claiming to be the only
>one who worked with Dr Mullis at Cetus. Were there others perhaps
>that also deserve some credit?
>
>>https://www.ebay.com/itm/163276237068?hash=item260405a90c:g:yBYAAOxy7AxSK3wI&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoKYvOEcKgUU%2FxiSWDjYPb05efrZXFUHQpegE79ciadquKFTXCEF5%2BzaNRRyE4UhcZD6ptKGtJvtK5Cjl%2FV6rrX85rUTNP98OUzgCRwiUaLwBnclvQPFGwSEf432xTlrArMRjxu%2Fspf6Lp9efWsjOjE3lu9Z3xRnX0upxwdFMpo6amS1HJWC7nVI50ZS07FdT00fBdMUp6OBYW8Rpu62aSwk%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR97E27yRYQ
>
>Please learn to edit URL's and remove tracking information. This
>works just as well:
><https://www.ebay.com/itm/163276237068>
>More photos:
><https://www.google.com/search?q=perkin+elmer+cetus+pro%2Fpette+sampling+system&tbm=isch>
>
>>The alligator tears from the stupid five show exactly how much
>>ignorance and petty jealousy is in their makeup.
>
>It never fails. Someone else is always to blame for your latest
>tragedy. This time, it seems to be that you didn't get sufficient
>credit for working with Dr Mullis on PCR. Petty jealousy perhaps?
>
>>I'm sure that they will also deny the dozen additional instruments
>>that I developed to improve the PCRs. Even though they all have
>>the same keyboard I developed that could be completely sterilized.
>
>Your resume indicates that you were at Cetus for 3 years and 5 months.
><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
>Producing 12 instruments in that time frame works out to one
>instrument every 15 weeks. That's very impressive, especially since
>the devices probably required FDA 510(k) approval.
>
>Looking at your online resume again, I notice that you worked for
>Cetus from Aug 1986 - Dec 1989. However, Dr Mullis quit Cetus in
>1986. I couldn't find the exact month in 1986:
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
>So, the most you could have spent "working with" Dr Mullis at Cetus
>was one year. Little wonder you didn't mention PCR or Dr Mullis on
>your resume.

I did a bit of reading and found the following quote about D.R Kary
Mullis, " Mullis also questioned the scientific validity of the link
between HIV and AIDS, despite never having done any scientific
research on either subject."

Strange that Tommy can claim fame working on the HIV virus with Dr,
Mullis when Mullis never did any research on the subject.

Frank in one of his post talked about the change in language. I vote
for a change of the word "lie" meaning "an untruth; pretend with
intent to deceive" and from now on it should be termed a "kunich" as
it is so frequently used by a chap of that name.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:01:14 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
>Looking at your online resume again, I notice that you worked for
>Cetus from Aug 1986 - Dec 1989. However, Dr Mullis quit Cetus in
>1986. I couldn't find the exact month in 1986:
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
>So, the most you could have spent "working with" Dr Mullis at Cetus
>was one year.

Oops. If Tom was hired by Cetus in Aug 1986 and Dr Mullis quit on the
very last day of 1986, the most they could have worked together on PCR
was 4 months, not 1 year.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:25:18 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:01:14 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
>>Looking at your online resume again, I notice that you worked for
>>Cetus from Aug 1986 - Dec 1989. However, Dr Mullis quit Cetus in
>>1986. I couldn't find the exact month in 1986:
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
>>So, the most you could have spent "working with" Dr Mullis at Cetus
>>was one year.
>
>Oops. If Tom was hired by Cetus in Aug 1986 and Dr Mullis quit on the
>very last day of 1986, the most they could have worked together on PCR
>was 4 months, not 1 year.

Well, given that the very first entry in his vaunted resume is a lie
the remainder must be viewed, at best, with a bit of suspicion.

Or, one might say, "He had an endless fund of tales, of which he was
always the hero and evidence disregard for the truth that these
demonstrated made all his facts and information suspect"

(The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:25:25 AM UTC+1, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:01:14 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> ><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
> >Looking at your online resume again, I notice that you worked for
> >Cetus from Aug 1986 - Dec 1989. However, Dr Mullis quit Cetus in
> >1986. I couldn't find the exact month in 1986:
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
> >So, the most you could have spent "working with" Dr Mullis at Cetus
> >was one year.
> Oops. If Tom was hired by Cetus in Aug 1986 and Dr Mullis quit on the
> very last day of 1986, the most they could have worked together on PCR
> was 4 months, not 1 year.
> --

Jeff, the coffee lady in that building of that institute helped discover HIV. Don’t under estimate the importance of the coffee lady. Also of the cleaning lady BTW. We have a very funny cleaning lady and I mean very funny. Everyone loves her.

Lou

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:37:15 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:25:25 AM UTC+1, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:01:14 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > wrote:
> > ><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
> > >Looking at your online resume again, I notice that you worked for
> > >Cetus from Aug 1986 - Dec 1989. However, Dr Mullis quit Cetus in
> > >1986. I couldn't find the exact month in 1986:
> > ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
> > >So, the most you could have spent "working with" Dr Mullis at Cetus
> > >was one year.
> > Oops. If Tom was hired by Cetus in Aug 1986 and Dr Mullis quit on the
> > very last day of 1986, the most they could have worked together on PCR
> > was 4 months, not 1 year.
> > --
> Jeff, the coffee lady in that building of that institute helped discover HIV. Don’t under estimate the importance of the coffee lady. Also of the cleaning lady BTW. We have a very funny cleaning lady and I mean very funny. Everyone loves her.

Firstly, I only took my marching orders from Dr. Mullis at a single meeting in which I took the project away from two PhD's. I actually worked for Dr. Michael McCown who was a chemist and understood the workings of PCR. It appears that you don't understand the business any more than that ass Liebermann. He NEVER held a single job and you want to assign any sort of knowledge to him? I went into that meeting as an electronics technician and came out as an engineer assigned the task of building the automation for PCR when the two PhD engineers proclaimed that it would take two IBM supercomputers to accomplish that task. Geez, with that sort of knowledge how in the hell could I have ever done it with an Intel 8080? At the time, there were no efficient C compilers and I programmed it entirely in assembly language.

I really couldn't care less if you are impressed or not but you appear to be more impressed with bullshit from someone that is afraid to identify himself and another that couldn't get a job in the hottest job market in the world. And that marks you as being not particularly bright.

You also claimed that all Super Record cranksets had titanium center shafts and reverse threaded lock nuts that Campagnolo North America put paid to that claim yesterday. So perhaps you should consider where you get your information. As far as I knew, Dr. Mullis never worked for Cetus at all, but had a research grant at the university where he worked and paid Cetus to automate his process. But I'm sure you could get a much better description from Liebermann or probably Slocumb.

On 11/18/2022 8:01 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 09:33:51 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And I am the one that worked for Dr. Kary Mullis and developed the
>> automation of PCR so that could be done on mass scales.
>
> Claiming to be "the one" sounds like you're claiming to be the only
> one who worked with Dr Mullis at Cetus. Were there others perhaps
> that also deserve some credit?

More relevant, I think, is: Exactly what did Tom do? He's linked to
photos of an automated pipette machine. From what I can tell, its job is
to inject minute drops of liquid into a series of test tubes.

Did Tom program the motion, as I suspect? If so, that's far from
"engineering." That's technician work, and in a small self-contained
space inside such a machine, it's the sort of problem a sophomore
student in electronics technology could do as a lab project. It's far
less complex than, say, programming motion control in a typical robotic
workcell, where one might have to deal with oddly shaped parts,
variations in orientation, synchronized timing functions, interfacing
with a variety of other machines and devices, etc.

As always, if Tom's work was much more complicated than "move to
position X,Y,Z, trigger injection, repeat" Tom can give us details.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:09:04 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:37:15 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:25:25 AM UTC+1, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:01:14 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > ><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
> > > >Looking at your online resume again, I notice that you worked for
> > > >Cetus from Aug 1986 - Dec 1989. However, Dr Mullis quit Cetus in
> > > >1986. I couldn't find the exact month in 1986:
> > > ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
> > > >So, the most you could have spent "working with" Dr Mullis at Cetus
> > > >was one year.
> > > Oops. If Tom was hired by Cetus in Aug 1986 and Dr Mullis quit on the
> > > very last day of 1986, the most they could have worked together on PCR
> > > was 4 months, not 1 year.
> > > --
> > Jeff, the coffee lady in that building of that institute helped discover HIV. Don’t under estimate the importance of the coffee lady. Also of the cleaning lady BTW. We have a very funny cleaning lady and I mean very funny. Everyone loves her.
> Firstly, I only took my marching orders from Dr. Mullis at a single meeting in which I took the project away from two PhD's. I actually worked for Dr. Michael McCown who was a chemist and understood the workings of PCR. It appears that you don't understand the business any more than that ass Liebermann. He NEVER held a single job and you want to assign any sort of knowledge to him? I went into that meeting as an electronics technician and came out as an engineer assigned the task of building the automation for PCR when the two PhD engineers proclaimed that it would take two IBM supercomputers to accomplish that task. Geez, with that sort of knowledge how in the hell could I have ever done it with an Intel 8080? At the time, there were no efficient C compilers and I programmed it entirely in assembly language.
>
> I really couldn't care less if you are impressed or not but you appear to be more impressed with bullshit from someone that is afraid to identify himself and another that couldn't get a job in the hottest job market in the world. And that marks you as being not particularly bright.
>
> You also claimed that all Super Record cranksets had titanium center shafts and reverse threaded lock nuts that Campagnolo North America put paid to that claim yesterday. So perhaps you should consider where you get your information. As far as I knew, Dr. Mullis never worked for Cetus at all, but had a research grant at the university where he worked and paid Cetus to automate his process. But I'm sure you could get a much better description from Liebermann or probably Slocumb.

I could not care less what you did. You can claim anything but if it is not verifiable it does not mean anything. As far as the Super Record claim I must admit I did not include all older versions. If you have a steel version it must be from 2008 or earlier. You should have told us that. The last 3 versions all have TI axles and left hand central bolts.

Lou

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:44:09 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 11/18/2022 8:01 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 09:33:51 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> And I am the one that worked for Dr. Kary Mullis and developed the
> >> automation of PCR so that could be done on mass scales.
> >
> > Claiming to be "the one" sounds like you're claiming to be the only
> > one who worked with Dr Mullis at Cetus. Were there others perhaps
> > that also deserve some credit?
> More relevant, I think, is: Exactly what did Tom do? He's linked to
> photos of an automated pipette machine. From what I can tell, its job is
> to inject minute drops of liquid into a series of test tubes.
>
> Did Tom program the motion, as I suspect? If so, that's far from
> "engineering." That's technician work, and in a small self-contained
> space inside such a machine, it's the sort of problem a sophomore
> student in electronics technology could do as a lab project. It's far
> less complex than, say, programming motion control in a typical robotic
> workcell, where one might have to deal with oddly shaped parts,
> variations in orientation, synchronized timing functions, interfacing
> with a variety of other machines and devices, etc.
>
> As always, if Tom's work was much more complicated than "move to
> position X,Y,Z, trigger injection, repeat" Tom can give us details.
>

I'm guessing what really happened was that these two PhDs who tommy allegedly took the job from didn't want to waste their time doing engineering technician work of what is essentially a 3-axis plotter, so it was handed off to tommy the technican. It doesn't take much "engineering" insight to program a ucontoller to run a stepper motor.

Besides that, PCR was used to quantify HIV in blood in 1985
https://www.news-medical.net/life-sciences/History-of-Polymerase-Chain-Reaction-(PCR).aspx

Yet tommy didn't start working for Cetus until 1986.

We know tommy isn't very strong in math, but....

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:09:04 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:37:15 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:25:25 AM UTC+1, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:01:14 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > ><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
> > > >Looking at your online resume again, I notice that you worked for
> > > >Cetus from Aug 1986 - Dec 1989. However, Dr Mullis quit Cetus in
> > > >1986. I couldn't find the exact month in 1986:
> > > ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
> > > >So, the most you could have spent "working with" Dr Mullis at Cetus
> > > >was one year.
> > > Oops. If Tom was hired by Cetus in Aug 1986 and Dr Mullis quit on the
> > > very last day of 1986, the most they could have worked together on PCR
> > > was 4 months, not 1 year.
> > > --
> > Jeff, the coffee lady in that building of that institute helped discover HIV. Don’t under estimate the importance of the coffee lady. Also of the cleaning lady BTW. We have a very funny cleaning lady and I mean very funny. Everyone loves her.
> Firstly, I only took my marching orders from Dr. Mullis at a single meeting in which I took the project away from two PhD's. I actually worked for Dr. Michael McCown who was a chemist and understood the workings of PCR. It appears that you don't understand the business any more than that ass Liebermann. He NEVER held a single job and you want to assign any sort of knowledge to him? I went into that meeting as an electronics technician and came out as an engineer assigned the task of building the automation for PCR when the two PhD engineers proclaimed that it would take two IBM supercomputers to accomplish that task. Geez, with that sort of knowledge how in the hell could I have ever done it with an Intel 8080? At the time, there were no efficient C compilers and I programmed it entirely in assembly language.
>
> I really couldn't care less if you are impressed or not but you appear to be more impressed with bullshit from someone that is afraid to identify himself

Oh, you mean catrike rider?

> and another that couldn't get a job in the hottest job market in the world. And that marks you as being not particularly bright.
>
> You also claimed that all Super Record cranksets had titanium center shafts and reverse threaded lock nuts that Campagnolo North America put paid to that claim yesterday. So perhaps you should consider where you get your information. As far as I knew, Dr. Mullis never worked for Cetus at all, but had a research grant at the university where he worked and paid Cetus to automate his process. But I'm sure you could get a much better description from Liebermann or probably Slocumb.

On 11/19/2022 11:13 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:09:04 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:37:15 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:25:25 AM UTC+1, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:01:14 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
>>>>> Looking at your online resume again, I notice that you worked for
>>>>> Cetus from Aug 1986 - Dec 1989. However, Dr Mullis quit Cetus in
>>>>> 1986. I couldn't find the exact month in 1986:
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
>>>>> So, the most you could have spent "working with" Dr Mullis at Cetus
>>>>> was one year.
>>>> Oops. If Tom was hired by Cetus in Aug 1986 and Dr Mullis quit on the
>>>> very last day of 1986, the most they could have worked together on PCR
>>>> was 4 months, not 1 year.
>>>> --
>>> Jeff, the coffee lady in that building of that institute helped discover HIV. Don’t under estimate the importance of the coffee lady. Also of the cleaning lady BTW. We have a very funny cleaning lady and I mean very funny. Everyone loves her.
>> Firstly, I only took my marching orders from Dr. Mullis at a single meeting in which I took the project away from two PhD's. I actually worked for Dr. Michael McCown who was a chemist and understood the workings of PCR. It appears that you don't understand the business any more than that ass Liebermann. He NEVER held a single job and you want to assign any sort of knowledge to him? I went into that meeting as an electronics technician and came out as an engineer assigned the task of building the automation for PCR when the two PhD engineers proclaimed that it would take two IBM supercomputers to accomplish that task. Geez, with that sort of knowledge how in the hell could I have ever done it with an Intel 8080? At the time, there were no efficient C compilers and I programmed it entirely in assembly language.
>>
>> I really couldn't care less if you are impressed or not but you appear to be more impressed with bullshit from someone that is afraid to identify himself and another that couldn't get a job in the hottest job market in the world. And that marks you as being not particularly bright.
>>
>> You also claimed that all Super Record cranksets had titanium center shafts and reverse threaded lock nuts that Campagnolo North America put paid to that claim yesterday. So perhaps you should consider where you get your information. As far as I knew, Dr. Mullis never worked for Cetus at all, but had a research grant at the university where he worked and paid Cetus to automate his process. But I'm sure you could get a much better description from Liebermann or probably Slocumb.
>
> I could not care less what you did. You can claim anything but if it is not verifiable it does not mean anything. As far as the Super Record claim I must admit I did not include all older versions. If you have a steel version it must be from 2008 or earlier. You should have told us that. The last 3 versions all have TI axles and left hand central bolts.
>
> Lou
>

I checked in our library. Campagnolo manuals for 2010 Super
Record have no mention of crank spindle material. 2011 books
clearly note titanium spindles and bolt with a warning about
reverse bolt thread.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:43:03 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/19/2022 11:13 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:09:04 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:37:15 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:25:25 AM UTC+1, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:01:14 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
> >>>>> Looking at your online resume again, I notice that you worked for
> >>>>> Cetus from Aug 1986 - Dec 1989. However, Dr Mullis quit Cetus in
> >>>>> 1986. I couldn't find the exact month in 1986:
> >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
> >>>>> So, the most you could have spent "working with" Dr Mullis at Cetus
> >>>>> was one year.
> >>>> Oops. If Tom was hired by Cetus in Aug 1986 and Dr Mullis quit on the
> >>>> very last day of 1986, the most they could have worked together on PCR
> >>>> was 4 months, not 1 year.
> >>>> --
> >>> Jeff, the coffee lady in that building of that institute helped discover HIV. Don’t under estimate the importance of the coffee lady. Also of the cleaning lady BTW. We have a very funny cleaning lady and I mean very funny. Everyone loves her.
> >> Firstly, I only took my marching orders from Dr. Mullis at a single meeting in which I took the project away from two PhD's. I actually worked for Dr. Michael McCown who was a chemist and understood the workings of PCR. It appears that you don't understand the business any more than that ass Liebermann. He NEVER held a single job and you want to assign any sort of knowledge to him? I went into that meeting as an electronics technician and came out as an engineer assigned the task of building the automation for PCR when the two PhD engineers proclaimed that it would take two IBM supercomputers to accomplish that task. Geez, with that sort of knowledge how in the hell could I have ever done it with an Intel 8080? At the time, there were no efficient C compilers and I programmed it entirely in assembly language.
> >>
> >> I really couldn't care less if you are impressed or not but you appear to be more impressed with bullshit from someone that is afraid to identify himself and another that couldn't get a job in the hottest job market in the world. And that marks you as being not particularly bright.
> >>
> >> You also claimed that all Super Record cranksets had titanium center shafts and reverse threaded lock nuts that Campagnolo North America put paid to that claim yesterday. So perhaps you should consider where you get your information. As far as I knew, Dr. Mullis never worked for Cetus at all, but had a research grant at the university where he worked and paid Cetus to automate his process. But I'm sure you could get a much better description from Liebermann or probably Slocumb.
> >
> > I could not care less what you did. You can claim anything but if it is not verifiable it does not mean anything. As far as the Super Record claim I must admit I did not include all older versions. If you have a steel version it must be from 2008 or earlier. You should have told us that. The last 3 versions all have TI axles and left hand central bolts.
> >
> > Lou
> >
> I checked in our library. Campagnolo manuals for 2010 Super
> Record have no mention of crank spindle material. 2011 books
> clearly note titanium spindles and bolt with a warning about
> reverse bolt thread.
>
> --
I did a little research myself. If I’m correct now they re-introduced Super Record in 2008 (first 11 speed ?). For that version they only mentioned ceramic bearings as a difference with Record. They must have thought that only ceramic bearings and some Ti fasteners and CF parts was a too small difference and introduced the Ti spindleas as extra weight saving. Probably in 2011 as your library shows. I bought my Super Record gruppo in 2014. I must admit that I never thought that someone would buy a 2008-2011 crank second hand to put on a bike. My mistake.

Lou

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:09:02 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>I actually worked for Dr. Michael McCown who was a chemist and understood the workings of PCR.>

No mention of Cetus or PCR in his LinkedIn resume.
Dr. Shaun Michael (Mick) McCown:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/doc0949/details/experience/>
That would need to be while you were employed by Cetus (1986-1989).
During that time period, Dr McCown was at:
Senior Chromatography Product Specialist
Perkin-Elmer Corporation, Houston, Texas
1983 - 1987 · 4 yrs
and at:
Product Manager
Vestec Corporation, Houston, Texas
1987 - Dec 1990 · 4 yrs
His LinkedIn resume, under Recommendations -> Received indicate that
your primary mode of contact was over the phone an this rather odd
comment:
"Mr. McCown was a chemist/analyst and a service provider at the
company I worked at. There were several other chemist/etc. in the same
section of the company and most of those who required professional
level assistance went to Mr. McCown whenever they could use his
services over the others."
That doesn't sound like a project or department manager, especially if
he was working from Texas.

>Firstly, I only took my marching orders from Dr. Mullis at a single meeting in which I took the project away from two PhD's.

So, "working with Dr Mullis" now means you met him at a single
meeting? Amazing. See below:

On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 09:33:51 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>And I am the one that worked for Dr. Kary Mullis and developed
>the automation of PCR so that could be done on mass scales.

"The Nobel Prize-Winning, LSD Dropping, Yet Problematic Scientist Who
Invented PCR"
<https://elemental.medium.com/the-nobel-prize-winning-lsd-dropping-yet-problematic-scientist-who-invented-pcr-26b6678ccd46>
"The biggest breakthrough, arguably, came in 1993, when David Gelfand
at Cetus published his work on purifying a heat-stable DNA polymerase
from bacteria that thrived in the hot springs of Yellowstone National
Park. This enzyme, called Taq polymerase, could help amplify DNA in a
temperature-dependent way, which helped automate PCR."

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taq_polymerase>
"Thus, the use of Taq polymerase was the key idea that made PCR
applicable to a large variety of molecular biology problems concerning
DNA analysis."

>As far as I knew, Dr. Mullis never worked for Cetus at all, but had
>a research grant at the university where he worked and paid Cetus to
>automate his process.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
You might want to edit the Wikipedia entry for Dr Mullis, which
clearly states that he was employed at Cetus.

"Despite little experience in molecular biology, Mullis worked as a
DNA chemist at Cetus for seven years, ultimately serving as head of
the DNA synthesis lab under White, then the firm's director of
molecular and biological research; it was there, in 1983, that Mullis
invented the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) procedure."

He was also considered an employee in this article:
<https://elemental.medium.com/the-nobel-prize-winning-lsd-dropping-yet-problematic-scientist-who-invented-pcr-26b6678ccd46>
"He was hired by the now-defunct biotechnology company, Cetus
Corporation, in 1979, to synthesize short strands of DNA or RNA called
oligonucleotides."

I haven't determined yet if he was an employee, contractor,
consultant, or as you claim, customer at Cetus. Since he worked there
for 7 years, which I assume was his major source of income at the
time, the IRS would likely have considered him an employee, not an
independent contractor. He had post doctoral fellowships at the
University of Kansas (1973-1977) and UCSF (1977-1979) both of which
preceded your involvement at Cetus (1986-1989). I found no evidence
that he had been employed by either university.

>But I'm sure you could get a much better
>description from Liebermann or probably Slocumb.

Thanks. I believe I've succeeded in doing that.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:13:05 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:09:04 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:37:15 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:25:25 AM UTC+1, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:01:14 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > ><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
> > > > >Looking at your online resume again, I notice that you worked for
> > > > >Cetus from Aug 1986 - Dec 1989. However, Dr Mullis quit Cetus in
> > > > >1986. I couldn't find the exact month in 1986:
> > > > ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
> > > > >So, the most you could have spent "working with" Dr Mullis at Cetus
> > > > >was one year.
> > > > Oops. If Tom was hired by Cetus in Aug 1986 and Dr Mullis quit on the
> > > > very last day of 1986, the most they could have worked together on PCR
> > > > was 4 months, not 1 year.
> > > > --
> > > Jeff, the coffee lady in that building of that institute helped discover HIV. Don’t under estimate the importance of the coffee lady. Also of the cleaning lady BTW. We have a very funny cleaning lady and I mean very funny. Everyone loves her.
> > Firstly, I only took my marching orders from Dr. Mullis at a single meeting in which I took the project away from two PhD's. I actually worked for Dr. Michael McCown who was a chemist and understood the workings of PCR. It appears that you don't understand the business any more than that ass Liebermann. He NEVER held a single job and you want to assign any sort of knowledge to him? I went into that meeting as an electronics technician and came out as an engineer assigned the task of building the automation for PCR when the two PhD engineers proclaimed that it would take two IBM supercomputers to accomplish that task. Geez, with that sort of knowledge how in the hell could I have ever done it with an Intel 8080? At the time, there were no efficient C compilers and I programmed it entirely in assembly language.
> >
> > I really couldn't care less if you are impressed or not but you appear to be more impressed with bullshit from someone that is afraid to identify himself and another that couldn't get a job in the hottest job market in the world. And that marks you as being not particularly bright.
> >
> > You also claimed that all Super Record cranksets had titanium center shafts and reverse threaded lock nuts that Campagnolo North America put paid to that claim yesterday. So perhaps you should consider where you get your information. As far as I knew, Dr. Mullis never worked for Cetus at all, but had a research grant at the university where he worked and paid Cetus to automate his process. But I'm sure you could get a much better description from Liebermann or probably Slocumb.
> I could not care less what you did. You can claim anything but if it is not verifiable it does not mean anything. As far as the Super Record claim I must admit I did not include all older versions. If you have a steel version it must be from 2008 or earlier. You should have told us that. The last 3 versions all have TI axles and left hand central bolts.

What do you do for a living? My jobs are all on my resume and backed up by recommendations on LinkedIn So explain how you verify your job any more than that? That's pretty silly.

Maybe Andrew can tell you that before 2008 the groups were all 10 speeds as far as I can remember. Both of these Super Record cranksets are 11 speed and weigh 680 grams.

What is a bit irksome is that one of the stupid five will say something contrary to fact and if I correct them exactly how is it that I am the one in the wrong? You and I have far more in common than you and Liebermann who has turned into another Slocumb and gets what he believes to be "facts" off of Google which is KNOWN to be a sleezeball pile of politically motivated crap. When you have that ignorant fool Liebermann telling you that millions were killed by covid-19 and I SHOW you the CDC page that says that only 8,800 people were killed from it and that in mid-2020 and since then the numbers of respiratory deaths have been below normal how is that that it doesn't ring any kind of bell with you? When I say that the vaccines are dangerous and now we have Parliamentary committees and Congressional investigations into Pfizer releasing "boosters" to the public when they were tested on EIGHT rats seven of which died from the booster, don't you think I might know something about it? When anyone under 50 has an extremely small change of serious outcomes from covid-19 and not ONE person under 18 has died from it and the vaccines are known to kill at least 0.1% of those who take it do you believe that it was a good idea?

What about climate change? I showed you the spectroscopy that showed you that CO2 has no effect on climate and DOES have a substantial effect on the greening and the feeding of the populations of Earth what would give you the slightest idea that Liebermann or Krygowski have one single thought in their heads as they go on about it as it they had some sort of expertise? I worked on ALL of these things. I'm not saying them to impress anyone. Maybe you can squeeze some sort of information out of Flunky who cannot even post under his own name. Or Scharf who is a failed politician whose entire life was stealing from the local taxpayers. Slocumb actually worked for a living and other than the fact that he tries to look an expert by quoting Google is the best of that lousy group.

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:43:03 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/19/2022 11:13 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:09:04 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 7:37:15 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:25:25 AM UTC+1, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:01:14 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
> >>>>> Looking at your online resume again, I notice that you worked for
> >>>>> Cetus from Aug 1986 - Dec 1989. However, Dr Mullis quit Cetus in
> >>>>> 1986. I couldn't find the exact month in 1986:
> >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
> >>>>> So, the most you could have spent "working with" Dr Mullis at Cetus
> >>>>> was one year.
> >>>> Oops. If Tom was hired by Cetus in Aug 1986 and Dr Mullis quit on the
> >>>> very last day of 1986, the most they could have worked together on PCR
> >>>> was 4 months, not 1 year.
> >>>> --
> >>> Jeff, the coffee lady in that building of that institute helped discover HIV. Don’t under estimate the importance of the coffee lady. Also of the cleaning lady BTW. We have a very funny cleaning lady and I mean very funny. Everyone loves her.
> >> Firstly, I only took my marching orders from Dr. Mullis at a single meeting in which I took the project away from two PhD's. I actually worked for Dr. Michael McCown who was a chemist and understood the workings of PCR. It appears that you don't understand the business any more than that ass Liebermann. He NEVER held a single job and you want to assign any sort of knowledge to him? I went into that meeting as an electronics technician and came out as an engineer assigned the task of building the automation for PCR when the two PhD engineers proclaimed that it would take two IBM supercomputers to accomplish that task. Geez, with that sort of knowledge how in the hell could I have ever done it with an Intel 8080? At the time, there were no efficient C compilers and I programmed it entirely in assembly language.
> >>
> >> I really couldn't care less if you are impressed or not but you appear to be more impressed with bullshit from someone that is afraid to identify himself and another that couldn't get a job in the hottest job market in the world. And that marks you as being not particularly bright.
> >>
> >> You also claimed that all Super Record cranksets had titanium center shafts and reverse threaded lock nuts that Campagnolo North America put paid to that claim yesterday. So perhaps you should consider where you get your information. As far as I knew, Dr. Mullis never worked for Cetus at all, but had a research grant at the university where he worked and paid Cetus to automate his process. But I'm sure you could get a much better description from Liebermann or probably Slocumb.
> >
> > I could not care less what you did. You can claim anything but if it is not verifiable it does not mean anything. As far as the Super Record claim I must admit I did not include all older versions. If you have a steel version it must be from 2008 or earlier. You should have told us that. The last 3 versions all have TI axles and left hand central bolts.
> >
> > Lou
> >
> I checked in our library. Campagnolo manuals for 2010 Super
> Record have no mention of crank spindle material. 2011 books
> clearly note titanium spindles and bolt with a warning about
> reverse bolt thread.

Well, I wouldn't doubt that you could find some counterfeit Campy EPS parts because it is easy to counterfeit electronics, but counterfeiting a manual group is quite expensive e4specially with these groups changing every year and there's little profit in it. This is why some critics are saying that see that we can expect only electrical groups over the next couple of years.. But I seriously doubt that because the Chinese will simply counterfeit the manual groups. They COULD do that for a fraction of the price of the Japanese or Italians but when the real money is in the electrical groups I would doubt you would see it. The Chinese do not recognize international patents anyway.

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:19:09 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:13:05 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:09:04 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> What do you do for a living? My jobs are all on my resume and backed up by recommendations on LinkedIn So explain how you verify your job any more than that? That's pretty silly.
>

Your career is constant discussed here. Why? Personally I think this constant bragging about your claimed achievements is sad. What I do for a living? I’m a mechanical engineer at an R&D department for 42 years. When I started there where no PC and we had still drawing boards. Some way or the other I was able to keep up with all the technical developments over these 40+ years and still part of our development team. Never wanted a management job, I’m a technician. At the end of next year I retire. I don’t need a resume in LinkedIn, I’m not looking for a job and I don’t feel the need for bragging about my work.
Ah well here you go, quite some designs of mine are in here

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RdQ9zQztGLk

Lou

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:25:49 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:19:09 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:13:05 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:09:04 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > What do you do for a living? My jobs are all on my resume and backed up by recommendations on LinkedIn So explain how you verify your job any more than that? That's pretty silly.
> >
> Your career is constant discussed here. Why? Personally I think this constant bragging about your claimed achievements is sad. +

Correcting lies made by people like Liebermann or Krygowski is not bragging.. Perhaps you could tell me why someone that achieved what I did would have to brag?

> What I do for a living? I’m a mechanical engineer at an R&D department for 42 years.

My point was - how do you verify that?

> When I started there where no PC and we had still drawing boards. Some way or the other I was able to keep up with all the technical developments over these 40+ years and still part of our development team. Never wanted a management job, I’m a technician. At the end of next year I retire. I don’t need a resume in LinkedIn, I’m not looking for a job and I don’t feel the need for bragging about my work.

Aren't you doing exactly what you call bragging on my part?

> Ah well here you go, quite some designs of mine are in here
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RdQ9zQztGLk

Showing a product verifies that you had something to do with it?

Don't mistake me, I believe you implicitly unless and until you were proven to be lying. And I don't believe you are.

What we had was me backing up my comments of Liebermann et. al. printing absolute bullshit. Then I was attacked by this group of nobodies none of whom have ever done a thing and you want to take their side? If you think that this might not just as well been Krygowski making some snide comment about your claim that you are a "technician" you really haven't been following what these people have been doing. You don't seem to care how incredibly offensive these people have been when they know nothing.

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 13:53:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:25:49 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:19:09 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:13:05 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:09:04 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > What do you do for a living? My jobs are all on my resume and backed up by recommendations on LinkedIn So explain how you verify your job any more than that? That's pretty silly.
>> >
>> Your career is constant discussed here. Why? Personally I think this constant bragging about your claimed achievements is sad. +
>
>Correcting lies made by people like Liebermann or Krygowski is not bragging. Perhaps you could tell me why someone that achieved what I did would have to brag?
>
>> What I do for a living? I’m a mechanical engineer at an R&D department for 42 years.
>
>My point was - how do you verify that?
>
>> When I started there where no PC and we had still drawing boards. Some way or the other I was able to keep up with all the technical developments over these 40+ years and still part of our development team. Never wanted a management job, I’m a technician. At the end of next year I retire. I don’t need a resume in LinkedIn, I’m not looking for a job and I don’t feel the need for bragging about my work.
>
>Aren't you doing exactly what you call bragging on my part?
>
>> Ah well here you go, quite some designs of mine are in here
>>
>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RdQ9zQztGLk
>
>Showing a product verifies that you had something to do with it?
>
>Don't mistake me, I believe you implicitly unless and until you were proven to be lying. And I don't believe you are.
>
>What we had was me backing up my comments of Liebermann et. al. printing absolute bullshit. Then I was attacked by this group of nobodies none of whom have ever done a thing and you want to take their side? If you think that this might not just as well been Krygowski making some snide comment about your claim that you are a "technician" you really haven't been following what these people have been doing. You don't seem to care how incredibly offensive these people have been when they know nothing.

Ah but Tommy all the evidence that you show is your famous Resume,
that you wrote yourself, and the first entry -

<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/>
Education
Lowry AFB
Completed, Electronics
1965 - 1966
Activities and Societies: US Air Force Technical School

Is a lie.

So if you start your resume with a lie how can you expect anyone to
believe the rest of it.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 13:53:44 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:25:49 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:19:09 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:13:05 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:09:04 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > What do you do for a living? My jobs are all on my resume and backed up by recommendations on LinkedIn So explain how you verify your job any more than that? That's pretty silly.
>> >
>> Your career is constant discussed here. Why? Personally I think this constant bragging about your claimed achievements is sad. +
>
>Correcting lies made by people like Liebermann or Krygowski is not bragging. Perhaps you could tell me why someone that achieved what I did would have to brag?
>
>> What I do for a living? I’m a mechanical engineer at an R&D department for 42 years.
>
>My point was - how do you verify that?
>
>> When I started there where no PC and we had still drawing boards. Some way or the other I was able to keep up with all the technical developments over these 40+ years and still part of our development team. Never wanted a management job, I’m a technician. At the end of next year I retire. I don’t need a resume in LinkedIn, I’m not looking for a job and I don’t feel the need for bragging about my work.
>
>Aren't you doing exactly what you call bragging on my part?
>
>> Ah well here you go, quite some designs of mine are in here
>>
>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RdQ9zQztGLk
>
>Showing a product verifies that you had something to do with it?
>
>Don't mistake me, I believe you implicitly unless and until you were proven to be lying. And I don't believe you are.
>
>What we had was me backing up my comments of Liebermann et. al. printing absolute bullshit. Then I was attacked by this group of nobodies none of whom have ever done a thing and you want to take their side? If you think that this might not just as well been Krygowski making some snide comment about your claim that you are a "technician" you really haven't been following what these people have been doing. You don't seem to care how incredibly offensive these people have been when they know nothing.

But Tommy, you weren't "attacked". You were "exposed"... as the lying
POS that you really are.
--
Cheers,

John B.

rOn Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:37:13 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:25:25 AM UTC+1, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:01:14 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>> ><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
>> >Looking at your online resume again, I notice that you worked for
>> >Cetus from Aug 1986 - Dec 1989. However, Dr Mullis quit Cetus in
>> >1986. I couldn't find the exact month in 1986:
>> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis>
>> >So, the most you could have spent "working with" Dr Mullis at Cetus
>> >was one year.
>> Oops. If Tom was hired by Cetus in Aug 1986 and Dr Mullis quit on the
>> very last day of 1986, the most they could have worked together on PCR
>> was 4 months, not 1 year.
>> --
>
> Jeff, the coffee lady in that building of that institute helped discover HIV. Don’t under estimate the importance of the coffee lady. Also of the cleaning lady BTW. We have a very funny cleaning lady and I mean very funny. Everyone loves her.
>
>Lou

And just as Tommy wrote the Coffee Lady undoubtedly took over when two
PHD's couldn't do the job.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 07:05:12 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>And just as Tommy wrote the Coffee Lady undoubtedly took over when two
>PHD's couldn't do the job.

When I read odd stories, like Tom's story of Dr Mullis assigning him
to replace two PhD's, I automatically ask myself "What problem was Dr
Mullis trying to solve"? Dr Mullis was probably spending most of his
time surfing or on LSD in his mountain retreat. When working on
something as important as PCR, he would be expected to publish
research reports. My guess(tm) is that the reports weren't happening.
The two PhD's were probably qualified to publish, which is something
that Dr Mullis couldn't allow to happen. With a lab full of PhD's,
the choice of available replacements was rather limited. Tom was
likely the ideal replacement. No academic credentials of any flavor
and a defensive personality that was unlikely to impress any peer
reviewers. That should insure that Dr Mullis received all the
available credit, which is what happened.

<https://elemental.medium.com/the-nobel-prize-winning-lsd-dropping-yet-problematic-scientist-who-invented-pcr-26b6678ccd46>
"In 1985, the Cetus researchers published the first paper on the use
of PCR to diagnose sickle cell anemia, in the prestigious journal,
Science. Although they used Mullis’ idea, he was not the first
author."

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
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Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 16:48:12 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 07:05:12 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>And just as Tommy wrote the Coffee Lady undoubtedly took over when two
>>PHD's couldn't do the job.
>
>When I read odd stories, like Tom's story of Dr Mullis assigning him
>to replace two PhD's, I automatically ask myself "What problem was Dr
>Mullis trying to solve"? Dr Mullis was probably spending most of his
>time surfing or on LSD in his mountain retreat. When working on
>something as important as PCR, he would be expected to publish
>research reports. My guess(tm) is that the reports weren't happening.
>The two PhD's were probably qualified to publish, which is something
>that Dr Mullis couldn't allow to happen. With a lab full of PhD's,
>the choice of available replacements was rather limited. Tom was
>likely the ideal replacement. No academic credentials of any flavor
>and a defensive personality that was unlikely to impress any peer
>reviewers. That should insure that Dr Mullis received all the
>available credit, which is what happened.
>
><https://elemental.medium.com/the-nobel-prize-winning-lsd-dropping-yet-problematic-scientist-who-invented-pcr-26b6678ccd46>
>"In 1985, the Cetus researchers published the first paper on the use
>of PCR to diagnose sickle cell anemia, in the prestigious journal,
>Science. Although they used Mullis’ idea, he was not the first
>author."

Actually I've "replaced" Phd's with lesser trained people.

The company I worked for had two divisions - "Operations" which was
primarily construction type of project, where I worked, and
"Consulting" that provided "experts" for World Bank, UN, USAID, funded
"development" types of projects.

I had come in on a Sunday to write a report for a small job I had done
for the Indonesian Highway Department and a bunch, including at least
one Phd, from "Consulting" where debating on how they could certify
the amount of jungle cleared for a housing area for the Indonesian
Transmigration project.

I had finished a rough draft of my report and decided I'd proof read
it Monday and have a round of golf that afternoon and stopped by the
Consulting bunch who still couldn't figure out how to certify the land
clearing and told them "Just Measure It". Sort of "nose in the air"
one of them said "And just how do we do that?" I said, "well call me
Monday and I'll have our Surveyor come over and tell you.

So here was a group of Phd sort of people that hadn't realized that
land measurement had been going on, probably since the days of the
Egyptians, or probably even earlier.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 4:53:46 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:25:49 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:19:09 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:13:05 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:09:04 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > What do you do for a living? My jobs are all on my resume and backed up by recommendations on LinkedIn So explain how you verify your job any more than that? That's pretty silly.
> > >
> > Your career is constant discussed here. Why? Personally I think this constant bragging about your claimed achievements is sad. +
>
> Correcting lies made by people like Liebermann or Krygowski is not bragging.

Please post any evidence that Jeff of Frank have lied, and the proof that you "corrected" them.

> Perhaps you could tell me why someone that achieved what I did would have to brag?

Because you haven't done shit, and every claim of accomplishment you make is a lie.

> > What I do for a living? I’m a mechanical engineer at an R&D department for 42 years.
> My point was - how do you verify that?

Why should he have to? Because you demand it? Fuck off.

> > When I started there where no PC and we had still drawing boards. Some way or the other I was able to keep up with all the technical developments over these 40+ years and still part of our development team. Never wanted a management job, I’m a technician. At the end of next year I retire.. I don’t need a resume in LinkedIn, I’m not looking for a job and I don’t feel the need for bragging about my work.
> Aren't you doing exactly what you call bragging on my part?

He isn't claiming superlatives like you constantly do, so no, it isn't the same.

> > Ah well here you go, quite some designs of mine are in here
> >
> > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RdQ9zQztGLk
> Showing a product verifies that you had something to do with it?

Sort of like you posting ebay auctions of equipment you allegedly 'designed', just that Lou isn't bragging.

>
> Don't mistake me, I believe you implicitly unless and until you were proven to be lying. And I don't believe you are.
>
> What we had was me backing up my comments of Liebermann et. al. printing absolute bullshit.

<snicker>, sure sparky.....

> Then I was attacked by this group of nobodies none of whom have ever done a thing and you want to take their side? If you think that this might not just as well been Krygowski making some snide comment about your claim that you are a "technician" you really haven't been following what these people have been doing. You don't seem to care how incredibly offensive these people have been when they know nothing.

Tommy complaining about other people being "offensive" - such a little snowflake....