Looks like AIOE might be done. Its been down for a while, and the
webpage is down as well.

Eternal September is still working fortunately. Hopefully I'm not
forced to use Google.

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Bob La Londe wrote on 1/29/2023 3:52 PM:
> Looks like AIOE might be done.  Its been down for a while, and the
> webpage is down as well.
>
> Eternal September is still working fortunately.  Hopefully I'm not
> forced to use Google.
>
>

Buy a block of a few GBs from Blocknews for only a few dollars. If you
only post with Blocknews and read with other free accounts, then a few
dollars will last almost forever. Even if you read and post with
Blocknews, it will also last almost forever since you mostly do low
traffic groups.

https://blocknews.net/

On 1/29/2023 2:52 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> Looks like AIOE might be done.  Its been down for a while, and the
> webpage is down as well.
>
> Eternal September is still working fortunately.  Hopefully I'm not
> forced to use Google.
>
>

Check out blocknews . Not free , but IMO pretty damn cheap . Bought I
think it was 10 Gb several years ago , hardly a dent - but I use it
mostly as backup for e-s except for alt home repair , which will not
work (for me) on e-s .
--
Snag
"You can lead a dummy to facts
but you can't make him think."

On 1/29/23 15:52, Bob La Londe wrote:
> Looks like AIOE might be done.  Its been down for a while, and the
> webpage is down as well.
>
> Eternal September is still working fortunately.  Hopefully I'm not
> forced to use Google.
>
>

A couple of people on sci.electronics.design posted that they had a disk
crash and are working on recovering. No idea on timetable.

--
Regards,
Carl

On 1/29/2023 4:45 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 1/29/2023 2:52 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> Looks like AIOE might be done.  Its been down for a while, and the
>> webpage is down as well.
>>
>> Eternal September is still working fortunately.  Hopefully I'm not
>> forced to use Google.
>>
>>
>
>   Check out blocknews . Not free , but IMO pretty damn cheap . Bought I
> think it was 10 Gb several years ago , hardly a dent - but I use it
> mostly as backup for e-s except for alt home repair , which will not
> work (for me) on e-s .

I paid $10 a long long long time ago for access to Eternal September. I
don't know if its still just $10, but its still no additional charge.
AIEO is free, and is usually my backup. I don't know if there still
are, but there used to be plenty of free read only servers.

I don't do the binary groups anymore, so either is fine for me these days.

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:trcant$18tb$2@dont-email.me...

I paid $10 a long long long time ago for access to Eternal September. I
don't know if its still just $10, but its still no additional charge.
AIEO is free, and is usually my backup. I don't know if there still
are, but there used to be plenty of free read only servers.

I don't do the binary groups anymore, so either is fine for me these days.

Bob La Londe

----------------------

ES was free when I joined, and still appears to be:
https://www.eternal-september.org/
jsw

On 2/1/2023 6:03 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:trcant$18tb$2@dont-email.me...
> I paid $10 a long long long time ago for access to Eternal September.  I
> don't know if its still just $10, but its still no additional charge.
> AIEO is free, and is usually my backup.  I don't know if there still
> are, but there used to be plenty of free read only servers.
>
> I don't do the binary groups anymore, so either is fine for me these days.
>
> Bob La Londe
>
> ----------------------
>
> ES was free when I joined, and still appears to be:
> https://www.eternal-september.org/ jsw
>

It's always been free ... as long as I've been using it . e-s does do
binaries , but there's a low cap on file size .
--
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"You can lead a dummy to facts
but you can't make him think."

On 2/1/2023 5:33 AM, Snag wrote:
> On 2/1/2023 6:03 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:trcant$18tb$2@dont-email.me...
>> I paid $10 a long long long time ago for access to Eternal September.
>> I don't know if its still just $10, but its still no additional
>> charge. AIEO is free, and is usually my backup.  I don't know if there
>> still are, but there used to be plenty of free read only servers.
>>
>> I don't do the binary groups anymore, so either is fine for me these
>> days.
>>
>> Bob La Londe
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
>> ES was free when I joined, and still appears to be:
>> https://www.eternal-september.org/ jsw
>>
>
>   It's always been free ... as long as I've been using it . e-s does do
> binaries , but there's a low cap on file size .

Weird. I was sure I paid for access the first time. It was a one time
fee forever access. Back then it was called Motzarella. Motzarella
transitioned to Eternal September in around 2009.

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:trfa77$mu0s$1@dont-email.me...

On 2/1/2023 5:33 AM, Snag wrote:
> On 2/1/2023 6:03 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:trcant$18tb$2@dont-email.me...
>> I paid $10 a long long long time ago for access to Eternal September. I
>> don't know if its still just $10, but its still no additional charge.
>> AIEO is free, and is usually my backup. I don't know if there still are,
>> but there used to be plenty of free read only servers.
>>
>> I don't do the binary groups anymore, so either is fine for me these
>> days.
>>
>> Bob La Londe
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
>> ES was free when I joined, and still appears to be:
>> https://www.eternal-september.org/ jsw
>>
>
> It's always been free ... as long as I've been using it . e-s does do
> binaries , but there's a low cap on file size .

Weird. I was sure I paid for access the first time. It was a one time
fee forever access. Back then it was called Motzarella. Motzarella
transitioned to Eternal September in around 2009.
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff

----------------------

OK. I joined ES in 2011, though I was on the Internet at Mitre in 91 or 92.

in 1972 I was posted as a repairman to a mountaintop relay node of an
experimental Army wired + wireless military Teletype/data network. Normally
it passed official business such as payrolls but during field exercises we
were encouraged to chat informally with other stations to create continuous
message traffic.

On 2/1/2023 9:21 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
>
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:trfa77$mu0s$1@dont-email.me...
>
> On 2/1/2023 5:33 AM, Snag wrote:
>> On 2/1/2023 6:03 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:trcant$18tb$2@dont-email.me...
>>> I paid $10 a long long long time ago for access to Eternal
>>> September.  I don't know if its still just $10, but its still no
>>> additional charge. AIEO is free, and is usually my backup.  I don't
>>> know if there still are, but there used to be plenty of free read
>>> only servers.
>>>
>>> I don't do the binary groups anymore, so either is fine for me these
>>> days.
>>>
>>> Bob La Londe
>>>
>>> ----------------------
>>>
>>> ES was free when I joined, and still appears to be:
>>> https://www.eternal-september.org/ jsw
>>>
>>
>>    It's always been free ... as long as I've been using it . e-s does
>> do binaries , but there's a low cap on file size .
>
> Weird.  I was sure I paid for access the first time.  It was a one time
> fee forever access.  Back then it was called Motzarella.  Motzarella
> transitioned to Eternal September in around 2009.
> Bob La Londe
> CNC Molds N Stuff
>
> ----------------------
>
> OK. I joined ES in 2011, though I was on the Internet at Mitre in 91 or 92.
>
> in 1972 I was posted as a repairman to a mountaintop relay node of an
> experimental Army wired + wireless military Teletype/data network.
> Normally it passed official business such as payrolls but during field
> exercises we were encouraged to chat informally with other stations to
> create continuous message traffic.
>

In the 1970s during the high solar period we were shooting skip
literally around the world on AM radio (CB). One day my dad was
shooting skip with a guy in New Zealand using a hand held walkie talkie
(full power). His buddy inside on the base station could listen, but
the beam antenna on the tower wouldn't shoot skip to talk back. My dad
exchanged QSL cards with the guy by mail. That was in the days before
the FCC basically abandoned CB frequencies and it turned into a garbage
fest. He still has that card on the wall in his work shop.

Of course there was a guy down the way with a huge linear and tons of
unclean bleed over across thousands of frequencies. Every time he keyed
up that mic it made watching television impossible. Eventually he
cleaned up a little, but I still got even when I got older. In the
early 80s I put non resister wires on my first car (67 Cortina) and
would drive by his house real slow on the way home and to work every
day. One day years later he told me he could tell instantly when I
started my car at home 10 lots down the street.

Street is being generous. We were the only two house on the street, and
it was dirt. LOL.

My dad used to keep his beam antenna basically parallel with the freeway
2 miles away. He could talk with truckers for 16 miles in one direction
to the mountains and nearly 50 in the other. The side lobes on the
antenna were good enough that there was only a tiny break in
conversation as a truck running past us at 70MPH move out of the big
lobe into the small lobe. Most of the truckers seemed to be running
power mics and small linears. Those who put an antenna up top so it was
over the trailer had a great metal ground plane as well.

Me I just had a 1/4 watt two channel radio with actual crystals. If I
wanted a different channel I had to change the crystals.

I didn't get on the Internet until around 93, but I was big into Rime
Net and Relay Net through various dial up private boards in the 80s. I
actually bought and sold some equipment through those including the
first modems I used for programming alarm panels remotely. I remember
trading a rifle for a Practical Peripherals 9600 with compression when I
was still using the privately run bulletin boards. People would come to
my place to download stuff because it was so much faster. I used to
have girlfriends get absolutely furious with me because my phone was
busy all night long.

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Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:trgqdr$vjdi$1@dont-email.me...

In the 1970s during the high solar period we were shooting skip
literally around the world on AM radio (CB). One day my dad was
shooting skip with a guy in New Zealand using a hand held walkie talkie
(full power). His buddy inside on the base station could listen, but
the beam antenna on the tower wouldn't shoot skip to talk back. My dad
exchanged QSL cards with the guy by mail. That was in the days before
the FCC basically abandoned CB frequencies and it turned into a garbage
fest. He still has that card on the wall in his work shop.

--------------------------

I got my ham ticket only as a way to learn radio circuitry and construction
when they became part of my job. I already knew the A/D and computer
interfacing needed for digital radio, and was learning the math in night
school.

I've sent and received a test signal through a geosynchronous Milstar
satellite but that doesn't qualify for a QSL card.

In 1937 when radio traffic was lower a girl in Florida (among others) heard
and wrote down shortwave transmissions that credibly came from Amelia
Earhart's 50 watt radio in the mid Pacific. Other stations on islands from
Hawaii to Midway could DF her approximate position but the direct path,
fundamental frequency signal loss was too high to make out voice.
https://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/ResearchPapers/Brandenburg/HarmonyandPower.htm

A storm passed through before a battleship with a search plane could arrive
there from Hawaii. The pilot saw no recognizable trace of her or the Electra
on the most likely island, though he did observe "signs of recent
habitation".

On 2/2/2023 11:31 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:trgqdr$vjdi$1@dont-email.me...
>
> In the 1970s during the high solar period we were shooting skip
> literally around the world on AM radio (CB).  One day my dad was
> shooting skip with a guy in New Zealand using a hand held walkie talkie
> (full power).  His buddy inside on the base station could listen, but
> the beam antenna on the tower wouldn't shoot skip to talk back.  My dad
> exchanged QSL cards with the guy by mail.  That was in the days before
> the FCC basically abandoned CB frequencies and it turned into a garbage
> fest. He still has that card on the wall in his work shop.
>
> --------------------------
>
> I got my ham ticket only as a way to learn radio circuitry and
> construction when they became part of my job. I already knew the A/D and
> computer interfacing needed for digital radio, and was learning the math
> in night school.
>
> I've sent and received a test signal through a geosynchronous Milstar
> satellite but that doesn't qualify for a QSL card.
>
> In 1937 when radio traffic was lower a girl in Florida (among others)
> heard and wrote down shortwave transmissions that credibly came from
> Amelia Earhart's 50 watt radio in the mid Pacific. Other stations on
> islands from Hawaii to Midway could DF her approximate position but the
> direct path, fundamental frequency signal loss was too high to make out
> voice.
> https://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/ResearchPapers/Brandenburg/HarmonyandPower.htm
>
> A storm passed through before a battleship with a search plane could
> arrive there from Hawaii. The pilot saw no recognizable trace of her or
> the Electra on the most likely island, though he did observe "signs of
> recent habitation".
>

Not in the same league, but I was installing C-Band dishes in the early
days. My dad and I together at the end of the 70s and first of the 80s,
and me by myself by the mid 80s. I was also at the very first ever
dealer meeting for DirecTV. I also installed the very first commercial
(in a bar/restaurant) implementation for DishNet. They did have
residential systems in a few places, but that was the very first
licensed commercial installation. They didn't even have an
authorization protocol in place yet. I had to go back 20 times to say,
"Yes we have excellent test signal. No its still not authorized."

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