On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
>>>>> firefights.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
>>>>
>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
>>>>
>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
>>>
>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
>>>
>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
>>>
>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
>>
>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
>
> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
>
> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
> "Winchester single shot .22" and
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
>
> The AR-15
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
>
>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
>> in a minute.
>>
>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
>>
>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
>>
>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
>>
>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
>>
>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
> stupidity.
>
> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.

How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?

What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?

What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
atrocities?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
>>>>>> firefights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
>>>>>
>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
>>>>
>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
>>>>
>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
>>>>
>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
>>>
>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
>>
>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
>>
>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
>>
>> The AR-15
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
>>
>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
>>> in a minute.
>>>
>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
>>>
>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
>>>
>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
>>>
>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
>>>
>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>>>
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
>> stupidity.
>>
>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
>
>How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>
>What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>
>What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>atrocities?

More fallacious fear mongering.

On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
>>>>>> firefights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
>>>>>
>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
>>>>
>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
>>>>
>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
>>>>
>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
>>>
>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
>>
>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
>>
>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
>>
>> The AR-15
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
>>
>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
>>> in a minute.
>>>
>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
>>>
>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
>>>
>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
>>>
>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
>>>
>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>>>
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
>> stupidity.
>>
>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
>
>How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>
>What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>
>What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>atrocities?

Well Frank, you stated that the AR had killed some 36 people this
year.... and the CDC tells us that bicycles had killed some 1,000....

Oh! Them Deadly AR things!
Or to put it another way, Can you really be as stupid as you appear to
be?"

Or perhaps you are emotionally unable to admit that you are wrong?

Or maybe you are just another lying piece of shit like Tommy?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 17:58:47 -0500, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
>>>>>>> firefights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
>>>>>
>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
>>>>>
>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
>>>>
>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
>>>
>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
>>>
>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
>>>
>>> The AR-15
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
>>>
>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
>>>> in a minute.
>>>>
>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
>>>>
>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
>>>>
>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
>>>>
>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
>>>>
>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>>>>
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>
>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
>>> stupidity.
>>>
>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
>>
>>How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>>
>>What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>>
>>What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>>atrocities?
>
>
>More fallacious fear mongering.

Solutions promoted by those who know very little about the subject
they are discussing are often, probably very often, not a solution at
all.

Frankie's whining about those evil AR type, for example. He reports
that there were 36 homicides with an AR "this year" and while I don't
have "this year's" statistics in 2019 there were some 10,258 firearm
homicides reported as committed with firearms. So, 0.3% of all firearm
homicides were committed with an AR? While according to the FBI
statistics some 62% of firearm homicides were committed with a "hand
gun", a pistol.

So logic would have us running about, waving our hands, shrieking and
screaming about 0.3% of firearm murders and ignoring 60%.

Yup, this makes perfect sense to Frankie and his ilk.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 12/11/2022 6:07 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>>>>
>>
>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>>
>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>>
>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>> atrocities?

So you still can't name a single societal benefit of ARs. And so you
sink into grade school insults instead of answers.

You've lost the logical argument. You're out of your intellectual
league. Go back to fondling your gun.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 20:25:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 12/11/2022 6:07 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>>>
>>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>>>
>>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>>> atrocities?
>
>So you still can't name a single societal benefit of ARs. And so you
>sink into grade school insults instead of answers.

I already did..

They protect homes and businesses

They bring down game for food on the table.

They're fun to shoot at targets

They irritate liberals

>You've lost the logical argument. You're out of your intellectual
>league. Go back to fondling your gun.

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:01:46 AM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 20:25:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 12/11/2022 6:07 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
> >>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
> >>>
> >>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
> >>>
> >>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
> >>> atrocities?
> >
> >So you still can't name a single societal benefit of ARs. And so you
> >sink into grade school insults instead of answers.
> I already did..
>
> They protect homes and businesses
>
> They bring down game for food on the table.
>
> They're fun to shoot at targets
>

So does a Mossberg Maverick

> They irritate liberals

There we are, since pretty much any firearm can be used for protection, hunting, or target shooting, the sole qualifier you can come up with is simply to irritate people.

News flash kitty, you don't need an AR to irritate people. You do that simply by existing.

> >You've lost the logical argument. You're out of your intellectual
> >league. Go back to fondling your gun.

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
> >>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
> >>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
> >>>>>> firefights.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
> >>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
> >>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
> >>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
> >>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
> >>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
> >>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
> >>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
> >>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
> >>>>
> >>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
> >>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
> >>>>
> >>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
> >>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
> >>>
> >>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
> >>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
> >>
> >> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
> >> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
> >> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
> >>
> >> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
> >> "Winchester single shot .22" and
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
> >> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
> >>
> >> The AR-15
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
> >> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
> >>
> >>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
> >>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
> >>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
> >>> in a minute.
> >>>
> >>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
> >>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
> >>>
> >>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
> >>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
> >>>
> >>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
> >>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
> >>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
> >>>
> >>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
> >>>
> >>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
> >>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
> >>>
> >>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>
> >> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
> >> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
> >> stupidity.
> >>
> >> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
> >> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
> >> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
> >
> >How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
> >
> >What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
> >
> >What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
> >atrocities?
> More fallacious fear mongering.

In other words, you have no argument.

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 02:32:47 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
>> >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
>> >>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
>> >>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
>> >>>>>> firefights.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
>> >>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
>> >>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
>> >>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
>> >>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
>> >>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
>> >>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
>> >>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
>> >>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
>> >>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
>> >>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
>> >>>
>> >>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
>> >>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
>> >>
>> >> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
>> >> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
>> >> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
>> >>
>> >> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
>> >> "Winchester single shot .22" and
>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
>> >> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
>> >>
>> >> The AR-15
>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
>> >> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
>> >>
>> >>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
>> >>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
>> >>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
>> >>> in a minute.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
>> >>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
>> >>>
>> >>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
>> >>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
>> >>>
>> >>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
>> >>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
>> >>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
>> >>>
>> >>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
>> >>>
>> >>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>> >>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>> >>>
>> >>> - Frank Krygowski
>> >>
>> >> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
>> >> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
>> >> stupidity.
>> >>
>> >> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
>> >> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
>> >> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
>> >
>> >How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>> >
>> >What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>> >
>> >What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>> >atrocities?
>> More fallacious fear mongering.
>
> In other words, you have no argument.

<LOL> Why would I need an argument? AR15s are already legal.

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:01:46 AM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 20:25:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 12/11/2022 6:07 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
> >>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
> >>>
> >>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
> >>>
> >>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
> >>> atrocities?
> >
> >So you still can't name a single societal benefit of ARs. And so you
> >sink into grade school insults instead of answers.
> I already did..
>
> They protect homes and businesses
>
> They bring down game for food on the table.
>
> They're fun to shoot at targets
>
> They irritate liberals
> >You've lost the logical argument. You're out of your intellectual
> >league. Go back to fondling your gun.
If I were standing there and that low life Krygowski referred to a "quick kill" feature as something on an AR15 I could break every bone in his body with my hands. But you see; that isn't a quick kill feature and a gun that doesn't NOTHING more than any semiautomatic gun, rifle or pistol, has a "quick kill" feature that that pansy couldn't possibly name.

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:26:21 AM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 02:32:47 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
> >> >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> >>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
> >> >>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
> >> >>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
> >> >>>>>> firefights.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
> >> >>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
> >> >>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
> >> >>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
> >> >>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
> >> >>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
> >> >>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
> >> >>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
> >> >>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
> >> >>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
> >> >>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
> >> >>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
> >> >>
> >> >> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
> >> >> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
> >> >> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
> >> >>
> >> >> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
> >> >> "Winchester single shot .22" and
> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
> >> >> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
> >> >>
> >> >> The AR-15
> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
> >> >> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
> >> >>
> >> >>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
> >> >>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
> >> >>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
> >> >>> in a minute.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
> >> >>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
> >> >>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
> >> >>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
> >> >>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
> >> >>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> - Frank Krygowski
> >> >>
> >> >> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
> >> >> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
> >> >> stupidity.
> >> >>
> >> >> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
> >> >> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
> >> >> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
> >> >
> >> >How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
> >> >
> >> >What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
> >> >
> >> >What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
> >> >atrocities?
> >> More fallacious fear mongering.
> >
> > In other words, you have no argument.
> <LOL> Why would I need an argument? AR15s are already legal.

Again Flunky cannot bring himself to believe in our Constitution or the findings of the Supreme Court. That pretty much shows his worth as a citizen of this country.

On 12/12/2022 5:32 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
>>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
>>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
>>>>>>>> firefights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
>>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
>>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
>>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
>>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
>>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
>>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
>>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
>>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
>>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
>>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
>>>>>
>>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
>>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
>>>>
>>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
>>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
>>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
>>>>
>>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
>>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
>>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
>>>>
>>>> The AR-15
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
>>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
>>>>
>>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
>>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
>>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
>>>>> in a minute.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
>>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
>>>>>
>>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
>>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
>>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
>>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>
>>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
>>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
>>>> stupidity.
>>>>
>>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
>>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
>>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
>>>
>>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>>>
>>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>>>
>>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>>> atrocities?
>> More fallacious fear mongering.
>
> In other words, you have no argument.

Mr. Tricycle Rider never does have a logical argument.

And to get a little psychological: That can be a problem with people who
proclaim themselves proud independent loners. They avoid social contact
(probably because people find them obnoxious), so they lack standards to
judge their own intelligence. They imagine every one of their thoughts
is a witty and original gem.

But they contribute nothing intelligent to a conversation.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:54:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 12/12/2022 5:32 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
>>>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
>>>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
>>>>>>>>> firefights.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
>>>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
>>>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
>>>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
>>>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
>>>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
>>>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
>>>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
>>>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
>>>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
>>>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
>>>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
>>>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
>>>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
>>>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
>>>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
>>>>>
>>>>> The AR-15
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
>>>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
>>>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
>>>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
>>>>>> in a minute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
>>>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
>>>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
>>>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
>>>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>>>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>
>>>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
>>>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
>>>>> stupidity.
>>>>>
>>>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
>>>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
>>>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
>>>>
>>>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>>>>
>>>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>>>>
>>>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>>>> atrocities?
>>> More fallacious fear mongering.
>>
>> In other words, you have no argument.
>
>Mr. Tricycle Rider never does have a logical argument.

Why bother arguing when I've already won. AR15s are legal. You're
the one looking to change things, not me.

>And to get a little psychological: That can be a problem with people who
>proclaim themselves proud independent loners.

I had nothing to do with the fact that I'm an introvert, but I'm
delighted that it bothers group thinkers like Krygowski.

>They avoid social contact

As much as is practicle.

>(probably because people find them obnoxious),

More likely because I find group thinkers obnoxious... and boring.

>so they lack standards to
>judge their own intelligence. They imagine every one of their thoughts
>is a witty and original gem.

<SNORT> Krygowski seems to think his judgements are significant.

>But they contribute nothing intelligent to a conversation.

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:10:25 AM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:54:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 12/12/2022 5:32 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
> >>>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
> >>>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
> >>>>>>>>> firefights.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
> >>>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
> >>>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
> >>>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
> >>>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
> >>>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
> >>>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
> >>>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
> >>>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
> >>>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
> >>>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
> >>>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
> >>>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
> >>>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
> >>>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
> >>>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The AR-15
> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
> >>>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
> >>>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
> >>>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
> >>>>>> in a minute.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
> >>>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
> >>>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
> >>>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
> >>>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
> >>>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
> >>>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
> >>>>> stupidity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
> >>>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
> >>>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
> >>>>
> >>>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
> >>>>
> >>>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
> >>>>
> >>>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
> >>>> atrocities?
> >>> More fallacious fear mongering.
> >>
> >> In other words, you have no argument.
> >
> >Mr. Tricycle Rider never does have a logical argument.
> Why bother arguing when I've already won. AR15s are legal. You're
> the one looking to change things, not me.
> >And to get a little psychological: That can be a problem with people who
> >proclaim themselves proud independent loners.
> I had nothing to do with the fact that I'm an introvert, but I'm
> delighted that it bothers group thinkers like Krygowski.
>
> >They avoid social contact
>
> As much as is practicle.
> >(probably because people find them obnoxious),
> More likely because I find group thinkers obnoxious... and boring.
> >so they lack standards to
> >judge their own intelligence. They imagine every one of their thoughts
> >is a witty and original gem.
> <SNORT> Krygowski seems to think his judgements are significant.
> >But they contribute nothing intelligent to a conversation.

I said that Krygowski was psychologically damaged and he continues to show it. He believes that both the Constitution of the United States and almost universal agreement by the Supreme Court as to the meaning of that document are illogical. He would have it that he is a far wiser as he blabbers idiocy after idiocy out to the world making everyone wonder if he is close to the end from Alzheimer's.

Somehow there are special killing features on an AR15 that aren't a part of other semiautomatic rifles with far more lethal calibers and even semiautomatic shotguns that are clip-fed. When even someone as stupid as Slocumb can see what a fool Krygowski is, it is plain that only an incredible ass would agree with Krygowski on any point.

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:54:23 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 12/12/2022 5:32 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
> >>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
> >>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
> >>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
> >>>>>>>> firefights.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
> >>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
> >>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
> >>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
> >>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
> >>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
> >>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
> >>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
> >>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
> >>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
> >>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
> >>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
> >>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
> >>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
> >>>>
> >>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
> >>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
> >>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
> >>>>
> >>>> The AR-15
> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
> >>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
> >>>>
> >>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
> >>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
> >>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
> >>>>> in a minute.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
> >>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
> >>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
> >>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
> >>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
> >>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>
> >>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
> >>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
> >>>> stupidity.
> >>>>
> >>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
> >>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
> >>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000..
> >>>
> >>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
> >>>
> >>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
> >>>
> >>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
> >>> atrocities?
> >> More fallacious fear mongering.
> >
> > In other words, you have no argument.
> Mr. Tricycle Rider never does have a logical argument.
>
> And to get a little psychological: That can be a problem with people who
> proclaim themselves proud independent loners. They avoid social contact
> (probably because people find them obnoxious), so they lack standards to
> judge their own intelligence. They imagine every one of their thoughts
> is a witty and original gem.
>
> But they contribute nothing intelligent to a conversation.
>

You have to admit it take a special kind of stupid to read a pentagon report that states "The AR-15 was designated the standard basic weapon for the Air Force on 2 January 1962" and "On 11 March 1963 the Secretary of Defense designated the Army the Department of Defense agent for procurement of the AR15 system for all Services" for 80,000 AR-15s, then still insist "Simple fact is that the AR15 is not a military weapon and never has been." (kitty tricycle rider)

And it take s truly _spectacular_ level of stupid to read an ARPA report that states "the AR-I5 is the most desirable weapon for use in Vietnam " and "Vietnamese troops, Commanders and US Advisors prefer it to any other weapon presently being used in Vietnam." and claim the report is "a citation that SHOWS that the Armalite AR15 wasn't wanted by the military" (kunich)

Makes you wonder how these people manage to dress themselves - though it does explain how trump got elected.

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:57:38 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:54:23 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 12/12/2022 5:32 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
>> >>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
>> >>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
>> >>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
>> >>>>>>>> firefights.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
>> >>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
>> >>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
>> >>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
>> >>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
>> >>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
>> >>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
>> >>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
>> >>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
>> >>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
>> >>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
>> >>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
>> >>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
>> >>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
>> >>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
>> >>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The AR-15
>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
>> >>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
>> >>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
>> >>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
>> >>>>> in a minute.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
>> >>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
>> >>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
>> >>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
>> >>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>> >>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
>> >>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
>> >>>> stupidity.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
>> >>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
>> >>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
>> >>>
>> >>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>> >>>
>> >>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>> >>>
>> >>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>> >>> atrocities?
>> >> More fallacious fear mongering.
>> >
>> > In other words, you have no argument.
>> Mr. Tricycle Rider never does have a logical argument.
>>
>> And to get a little psychological: That can be a problem with people who
>> proclaim themselves proud independent loners. They avoid social contact
>> (probably because people find them obnoxious), so they lack standards to
>> judge their own intelligence. They imagine every one of their thoughts
>> is a witty and original gem.
>>
>> But they contribute nothing intelligent to a conversation.
>>
>
>You have to admit it take a special kind of stupid to read a pentagon report that states "The AR-15 was designated the standard basic weapon for the Air Force on 2 January 1962" and "On 11 March 1963 the Secretary of Defense designated the Army the Department of Defense agent for procurement of the AR15 system for all Services" for 80,000 AR-15s, then still insist "Simple fact is that the AR15 is not a military weapon and never has been." (kitty tricycle rider)
>
>And it take s truly _spectacular_ level of stupid to read an ARPA report that states "the AR-I5 is the most desirable weapon for use in Vietnam " and "Vietnamese troops, Commanders and US Advisors prefer it to any other weapon presently being used in Vietnam." and claim the report is "a citation that SHOWS that the Armalite AR15 wasn't wanted by the military" (kunich)
>
>Makes you wonder how these people manage to dress themselves - though it does explain how trump got elected.

I have to assume that Jimmy Junior isn't bright enough to understand
that the AR15 that became the M16 is very different from any AR15
available to civilians.. I'm just going to let him continue wallowing
around in his ignorance..

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:06:33 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:10:25 AM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:54:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 12/12/2022 5:32 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
>> >>>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
>> >>>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
>> >>>>>>>>> firefights.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
>> >>>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
>> >>>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
>> >>>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
>> >>>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
>> >>>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
>> >>>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
>> >>>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
>> >>>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
>> >>>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
>> >>>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
>> >>>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
>> >>>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
>> >>>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
>> >>>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
>> >>>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The AR-15
>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
>> >>>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
>> >>>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
>> >>>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
>> >>>>>> in a minute.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
>> >>>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
>> >>>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
>> >>>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
>> >>>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>> >>>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
>> >>>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
>> >>>>> stupidity.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
>> >>>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
>> >>>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>> >>>> atrocities?
>> >>> More fallacious fear mongering.
>> >>
>> >> In other words, you have no argument.
>> >
>> >Mr. Tricycle Rider never does have a logical argument.
>> Why bother arguing when I've already won. AR15s are legal. You're
>> the one looking to change things, not me.
>> >And to get a little psychological: That can be a problem with people who
>> >proclaim themselves proud independent loners.
>> I had nothing to do with the fact that I'm an introvert, but I'm
>> delighted that it bothers group thinkers like Krygowski.
>>
>> >They avoid social contact
>>
>> As much as is practicle.
>> >(probably because people find them obnoxious),
>> More likely because I find group thinkers obnoxious... and boring.
>> >so they lack standards to
>> >judge their own intelligence. They imagine every one of their thoughts
>> >is a witty and original gem.
>> <SNORT> Krygowski seems to think his judgements are significant.
>> >But they contribute nothing intelligent to a conversation.
>
>I said that Krygowski was psychologically damaged and he continues to show it. He believes that both the Constitution of the United States and almost universal agreement by the Supreme Court as to the meaning of that document are illogical. He would have it that he is a far wiser as he blabbers idiocy after idiocy out to the world making everyone wonder if he is close to the end from Alzheimer's.
>
>Somehow there are special killing features on an AR15 that aren't a part of other semiautomatic rifles with far more lethal calibers and even semiautomatic shotguns that are clip-fed. When even someone as stupid as Slocumb can see what a fool Krygowski is, it is plain that only an incredible ass would agree with Krygowski on any point.

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:16:29 PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:57:38 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:54:23 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 12/12/2022 5:32 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> >>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
> >> >>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
> >> >>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
> >> >>>>>>>> firefights.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
> >> >>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
> >> >>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
> >> >>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
> >> >>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
> >> >>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
> >> >>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
> >> >>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
> >> >>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
> >> >>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
> >> >>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
> >> >>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
> >> >>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
> >> >>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
> >> >>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
> >> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
> >> >>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The AR-15
> >> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
> >> >>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
> >> >>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
> >> >>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
> >> >>>>> in a minute.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
> >> >>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
> >> >>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
> >> >>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
> >> >>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
> >> >>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
> >> >>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
> >> >>>> stupidity.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
> >> >>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
> >> >>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
> >> >>> atrocities?
> >> >> More fallacious fear mongering.
> >> >
> >> > In other words, you have no argument.
> >> Mr. Tricycle Rider never does have a logical argument.
> >>
> >> And to get a little psychological: That can be a problem with people who
> >> proclaim themselves proud independent loners. They avoid social contact
> >> (probably because people find them obnoxious), so they lack standards to
> >> judge their own intelligence. They imagine every one of their thoughts
> >> is a witty and original gem.
> >>
> >> But they contribute nothing intelligent to a conversation.
> >>
> >
> >You have to admit it take a special kind of stupid to read a pentagon report that states "The AR-15 was designated the standard basic weapon for the Air Force on 2 January 1962" and "On 11 March 1963 the Secretary of Defense designated the Army the Department of Defense agent for procurement of the AR15 system for all Services" for 80,000 AR-15s, then still insist "Simple fact is that the AR15 is not a military weapon and never has been." (kitty tricycle rider)
> >
> >And it take s truly _spectacular_ level of stupid to read an ARPA report that states "the AR-I5 is the most desirable weapon for use in Vietnam " and "Vietnamese troops, Commanders and US Advisors prefer it to any other weapon presently being used in Vietnam." and claim the report is "a citation that SHOWS that the Armalite AR15 wasn't wanted by the military" (kunich)
> >
> >Makes you wonder how these people manage to dress themselves - though it does explain how trump got elected.
> I have to assume that Jimmy Junior isn't bright enough to understand
> that the AR15 that became the M16 is very different from any AR15
> available to civilians.. I'm just going to let him continue wallowing
> around in his ignorance..

On 12/12/2022 4:23 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:06:33 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:10:25 AM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:54:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/12/2022 5:32 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
>>>>>>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
>>>>>>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
>>>>>>>>>>>> firefights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
>>>>>>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
>>>>>>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
>>>>>>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
>>>>>>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
>>>>>>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
>>>>>>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
>>>>>>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
>>>>>>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
>>>>>>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
>>>>>>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
>>>>>>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
>>>>>>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
>>>>>>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
>>>>>>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
>>>>>>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The AR-15
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
>>>>>>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
>>>>>>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
>>>>>>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
>>>>>>>>> in a minute.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
>>>>>>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
>>>>>>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
>>>>>>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
>>>>>>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>>>>>>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
>>>>>>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
>>>>>>>> stupidity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
>>>>>>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
>>>>>>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>>>>>>> atrocities?
>>>>>> More fallacious fear mongering.
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, you have no argument.
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Tricycle Rider never does have a logical argument.
>>> Why bother arguing when I've already won. AR15s are legal. You're
>>> the one looking to change things, not me.
>>>> And to get a little psychological: That can be a problem with people who
>>>> proclaim themselves proud independent loners.
>>> I had nothing to do with the fact that I'm an introvert, but I'm
>>> delighted that it bothers group thinkers like Krygowski.
>>>
>>>> They avoid social contact
>>>
>>> As much as is practicle.
>>>> (probably because people find them obnoxious),
>>> More likely because I find group thinkers obnoxious... and boring.
>>>> so they lack standards to
>>>> judge their own intelligence. They imagine every one of their thoughts
>>>> is a witty and original gem.
>>> <SNORT> Krygowski seems to think his judgements are significant.
>>>> But they contribute nothing intelligent to a conversation.
>>
>> I said that Krygowski was psychologically damaged and he continues to show it. He believes that both the Constitution of the United States and almost universal agreement by the Supreme Court as to the meaning of that document are illogical. He would have it that he is a far wiser as he blabbers idiocy after idiocy out to the world making everyone wonder if he is close to the end from Alzheimer's.
>>
>> Somehow there are special killing features on an AR15 that aren't a part of other semiautomatic rifles with far more lethal calibers and even semiautomatic shotguns that are clip-fed. When even someone as stupid as Slocumb can see what a fool Krygowski is, it is plain that only an incredible ass would agree with Krygowski on any point.
>
>
> What with all this talk about ARs, I'm tempted to go out and buy
> myself one just to see what all the fuss is about. Actually, I might
> buy the parts and assemble one myself.. Maybe an AR9, because of the
> cheaper ammo.
>

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:15:51 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 12/12/2022 4:23 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:06:33 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:10:25 AM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:54:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/12/2022 5:32 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
>>>>>>>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> firefights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
>>>>>>>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
>>>>>>>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
>>>>>>>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
>>>>>>>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
>>>>>>>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
>>>>>>>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
>>>>>>>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
>>>>>>>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
>>>>>>>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
>>>>>>>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
>>>>>>>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
>>>>>>>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
>>>>>>>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The AR-15
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
>>>>>>>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
>>>>>>>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
>>>>>>>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
>>>>>>>>>> in a minute.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
>>>>>>>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
>>>>>>>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
>>>>>>>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
>>>>>>>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>>>>>>>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
>>>>>>>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
>>>>>>>>> stupidity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
>>>>>>>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
>>>>>>>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>>>>>>>> atrocities?
>>>>>>> More fallacious fear mongering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, you have no argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Tricycle Rider never does have a logical argument.
>>>> Why bother arguing when I've already won. AR15s are legal. You're
>>>> the one looking to change things, not me.
>>>>> And to get a little psychological: That can be a problem with people who
>>>>> proclaim themselves proud independent loners.
>>>> I had nothing to do with the fact that I'm an introvert, but I'm
>>>> delighted that it bothers group thinkers like Krygowski.
>>>>
>>>>> They avoid social contact
>>>>
>>>> As much as is practicle.
>>>>> (probably because people find them obnoxious),
>>>> More likely because I find group thinkers obnoxious... and boring.
>>>>> so they lack standards to
>>>>> judge their own intelligence. They imagine every one of their thoughts
>>>>> is a witty and original gem.
>>>> <SNORT> Krygowski seems to think his judgements are significant.
>>>>> But they contribute nothing intelligent to a conversation.
>>>
>>> I said that Krygowski was psychologically damaged and he continues to show it. He believes that both the Constitution of the United States and almost universal agreement by the Supreme Court as to the meaning of that document are illogical. He would have it that he is a far wiser as he blabbers idiocy after idiocy out to the world making everyone wonder if he is close to the end from Alzheimer's.
>>>
>>> Somehow there are special killing features on an AR15 that aren't a part of other semiautomatic rifles with far more lethal calibers and even semiautomatic shotguns that are clip-fed. When even someone as stupid as Slocumb can see what a fool Krygowski is, it is plain that only an incredible ass would agree with Krygowski on any point.
>>
>>
>> What with all this talk about ARs, I'm tempted to go out and buy
>> myself one just to see what all the fuss is about. Actually, I might
>> buy the parts and assemble one myself.. Maybe an AR9, because of the
>> cheaper ammo.
>>
>
>AR are cheap but making one is, while usually not less
>expensive, quite gratifying. If you have simple machine
>tools (drill press, vertical mill) it's quick and simple. I
>would not have ventured into it with only a handheld drill
>and I'd advise against that.

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:15:51 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 12/12/2022 4:23 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:06:33 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:10:25 AM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:54:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/12/2022 5:32 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
>>>>>>>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> firefights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
>>>>>>>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
>>>>>>>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
>>>>>>>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
>>>>>>>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
>>>>>>>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
>>>>>>>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
>>>>>>>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
>>>>>>>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
>>>>>>>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
>>>>>>>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
>>>>>>>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
>>>>>>>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
>>>>>>>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The AR-15
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
>>>>>>>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
>>>>>>>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
>>>>>>>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
>>>>>>>>>> in a minute.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
>>>>>>>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
>>>>>>>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
>>>>>>>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
>>>>>>>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>>>>>>>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
>>>>>>>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
>>>>>>>>> stupidity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
>>>>>>>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
>>>>>>>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>>>>>>>> atrocities?
>>>>>>> More fallacious fear mongering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, you have no argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Tricycle Rider never does have a logical argument.
>>>> Why bother arguing when I've already won. AR15s are legal. You're
>>>> the one looking to change things, not me.
>>>>> And to get a little psychological: That can be a problem with people who
>>>>> proclaim themselves proud independent loners.
>>>> I had nothing to do with the fact that I'm an introvert, but I'm
>>>> delighted that it bothers group thinkers like Krygowski.
>>>>
>>>>> They avoid social contact
>>>>
>>>> As much as is practicle.
>>>>> (probably because people find them obnoxious),
>>>> More likely because I find group thinkers obnoxious... and boring.
>>>>> so they lack standards to
>>>>> judge their own intelligence. They imagine every one of their thoughts
>>>>> is a witty and original gem.
>>>> <SNORT> Krygowski seems to think his judgements are significant.
>>>>> But they contribute nothing intelligent to a conversation.
>>>
>>> I said that Krygowski was psychologically damaged and he continues to show it. He believes that both the Constitution of the United States and almost universal agreement by the Supreme Court as to the meaning of that document are illogical. He would have it that he is a far wiser as he blabbers idiocy after idiocy out to the world making everyone wonder if he is close to the end from Alzheimer's.
>>>
>>> Somehow there are special killing features on an AR15 that aren't a part of other semiautomatic rifles with far more lethal calibers and even semiautomatic shotguns that are clip-fed. When even someone as stupid as Slocumb can see what a fool Krygowski is, it is plain that only an incredible ass would agree with Krygowski on any point.
>>
>>
>> What with all this talk about ARs, I'm tempted to go out and buy
>> myself one just to see what all the fuss is about. Actually, I might
>> buy the parts and assemble one myself.. Maybe an AR9, because of the
>> cheaper ammo.
>>
>
>AR are cheap but making one is, while usually not less
>expensive, quite gratifying. If you have simple machine
>tools (drill press, vertical mill) it's quick and simple. I
>would not have ventured into it with only a handheld drill
>and I'd advise against that.

On 12/12/2022 6:23 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:15:51 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 12/12/2022 4:23 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:06:33 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:10:25 AM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:54:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/12/2022 5:32 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firefights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
>>>>>>>>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
>>>>>>>>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
>>>>>>>>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
>>>>>>>>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
>>>>>>>>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
>>>>>>>>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
>>>>>>>>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
>>>>>>>>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The AR-15
>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
>>>>>>>>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
>>>>>>>>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
>>>>>>>>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
>>>>>>>>>>> in a minute.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
>>>>>>>>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
>>>>>>>>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
>>>>>>>>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
>>>>>>>>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
>>>>>>>>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
>>>>>>>>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
>>>>>>>>>> stupidity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
>>>>>>>>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
>>>>>>>>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
>>>>>>>>> atrocities?
>>>>>>>> More fallacious fear mongering.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In other words, you have no argument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Tricycle Rider never does have a logical argument.
>>>>> Why bother arguing when I've already won. AR15s are legal. You're
>>>>> the one looking to change things, not me.
>>>>>> And to get a little psychological: That can be a problem with people who
>>>>>> proclaim themselves proud independent loners.
>>>>> I had nothing to do with the fact that I'm an introvert, but I'm
>>>>> delighted that it bothers group thinkers like Krygowski.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They avoid social contact
>>>>>
>>>>> As much as is practicle.
>>>>>> (probably because people find them obnoxious),
>>>>> More likely because I find group thinkers obnoxious... and boring.
>>>>>> so they lack standards to
>>>>>> judge their own intelligence. They imagine every one of their thoughts
>>>>>> is a witty and original gem.
>>>>> <SNORT> Krygowski seems to think his judgements are significant.
>>>>>> But they contribute nothing intelligent to a conversation.
>>>>
>>>> I said that Krygowski was psychologically damaged and he continues to show it. He believes that both the Constitution of the United States and almost universal agreement by the Supreme Court as to the meaning of that document are illogical. He would have it that he is a far wiser as he blabbers idiocy after idiocy out to the world making everyone wonder if he is close to the end from Alzheimer's.
>>>>
>>>> Somehow there are special killing features on an AR15 that aren't a part of other semiautomatic rifles with far more lethal calibers and even semiautomatic shotguns that are clip-fed. When even someone as stupid as Slocumb can see what a fool Krygowski is, it is plain that only an incredible ass would agree with Krygowski on any point.
>>>
>>>
>>> What with all this talk about ARs, I'm tempted to go out and buy
>>> myself one just to see what all the fuss is about. Actually, I might
>>> buy the parts and assemble one myself.. Maybe an AR9, because of the
>>> cheaper ammo.
>>>
>>
>> AR are cheap but making one is, while usually not less
>> expensive, quite gratifying. If you have simple machine
>> tools (drill press, vertical mill) it's quick and simple. I
>> would not have ventured into it with only a handheld drill
>> and I'd advise against that.
>
> I read that you can even but "kits" to assemble an AR. In the $300
> range I believe.
>

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 5:16:29 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:57:38 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:54:23 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 12/12/2022 5:32 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> >>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
> >> >>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
> >> >>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
> >> >>>>>>>> firefights.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
> >> >>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
> >> >>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
> >> >>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
> >> >>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
> >> >>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
> >> >>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
> >> >>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
> >> >>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
> >> >>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
> >> >>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
> >> >>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
> >> >>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
> >> >>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
> >> >>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
> >> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
> >> >>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The AR-15
> >> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
> >> >>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
> >> >>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
> >> >>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
> >> >>>>> in a minute.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
> >> >>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
> >> >>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
> >> >>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
> >> >>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
> >> >>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
> >> >>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
> >> >>>> stupidity.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
> >> >>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
> >> >>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
> >> >>> atrocities?
> >> >> More fallacious fear mongering.
> >> >
> >> > In other words, you have no argument.
> >> Mr. Tricycle Rider never does have a logical argument.
> >>
> >> And to get a little psychological: That can be a problem with people who
> >> proclaim themselves proud independent loners. They avoid social contact
> >> (probably because people find them obnoxious), so they lack standards to
> >> judge their own intelligence. They imagine every one of their thoughts
> >> is a witty and original gem.
> >>
> >> But they contribute nothing intelligent to a conversation.
> >>
> >
> >You have to admit it take a special kind of stupid to read a pentagon report that states "The AR-15 was designated the standard basic weapon for the Air Force on 2 January 1962" and "On 11 March 1963 the Secretary of Defense designated the Army the Department of Defense agent for procurement of the AR15 system for all Services" for 80,000 AR-15s, then still insist "Simple fact is that the AR15 is not a military weapon and never has been." (kitty tricycle rider)
> >
> >And it take s truly _spectacular_ level of stupid to read an ARPA report that states "the AR-I5 is the most desirable weapon for use in Vietnam " and "Vietnamese troops, Commanders and US Advisors prefer it to any other weapon presently being used in Vietnam." and claim the report is "a citation that SHOWS that the Armalite AR15 wasn't wanted by the military" (kunich)
> >
> >Makes you wonder how these people manage to dress themselves - though it does explain how trump got elected.
> I have to assume that Jimmy Junior isn't bright enough to understand
> that the AR15 that became the M16 is very different from any AR15
> available to civilians.. I'm just going to let him continue wallowing
> around in his ignorance..

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 5:35:28 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:16:29 PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 12:57:38 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:54:23 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> On 12/12/2022 5:32 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >> > On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 5:58:42 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > >> >> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:14:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > >> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> On 12/10/2022 9:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >> >>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:16:33 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
> > >> >>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> > >> >>>>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:36:09 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> On 12/10/2022 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>> Light weight, compact size, pistol grip,
> > >> >>>>>>>> readily available high capacity magazines, readily available
> > >> >>>>>>>> folding stocks, etc. etc. are all features optimized for
> > >> >>>>>>>> firefights.
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> Again, if these features were not much more deadly than
> > >> >>>>>>>> simpler handguns, the military would not issue guns with
> > >> >>>>>>>> such features to soldiers. They'd give them handguns.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> You don't get out much. And certainly not to a range.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Popular modern firearms are all light, weapon sizes are
> > >> >>>>>>> diminishing generally, pistol grips for carbines are very
> > >> >>>>>>> popular and folding stocks* are also trending as they are
> > >> >>>>>>> lighter and store more easily than polymer or wood stocks.
> > >> >>>>>> Your bigoted "opponent" appears to have no shame and continues to
> > >> >>>>>> flaunt his ignorance for the whole world to see.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> "Light weight" - a rather common feature of hunting rifles - it gets
> > >> >>>>>> very tiresome to tote a heavy rifle around all day..
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Pistol grips - The first rifle ever to use a pistol grip was the
> > >> >>>>>> DELVIGNE PATENT rifle made by LESOINNE ET PIRLOT FILS, LIEGE in 1840
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Carbines - The carbine was invented by Christopher M. Spencer of
> > >> >>>>>> Connecticut and was patented in 1860.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Come on, John. Describe the rifle you used for hunting when you were a young guy
> > >> >>>>> in New England. Do you have the honesty to do so?
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Sure, I don't mind telling the truth. The first "gun" I owned was a
> > >> >>>> Winchester, single shot, .22 rifle which I "paid for" at the age of
> > >> >>>> 12, by "bucking up" stove wood for an hour after school for a month.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> I really don't know whether I weighed it at the time so I looked up
> > >> >>>> "Winchester single shot .22" and
> > >> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_67
> > >> >>>> which seems to have weighed about 5 lbs.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> The AR-15
> > >> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15
> > >> >>>> seems to weigh about 6.5 lbs
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>> OK, based on your previous posts you'll refuse to answer! But we know it
> > >> >>>>> was something much heavier than an AR. It did not have and could not accept a folding stock,
> > >> >>>>> a magazine of more than 30 rounds, a suppressor, etc. It could not shoot off, say, even 60 rounds
> > >> >>>>> in a minute.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Yet you and the other family members you've described hunted successfully! Somehow you
> > >> >>>>> never needed those and other trendy, macho features!
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> And you _still_ don't need them! That's the main reason you _still_ don't own an AR,
> > >> >>>>> despite your passionate defense of their sale and use.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Those features, and others designed into the AR, are not very useful for hunting. They are
> > >> >>>>> not even particularly useful for home defense. They are designed for fast and efficient
> > >> >>>>> killing of lots of people. And they get used far too frequently to kill rooms full of innocents.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> I could go on, but why bother? The man is either a fool or a liar.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> You've still never been able to justify the quick kill features of the AR in civilian hands.
> > >> >>>>> You can't defend your points with logic, so you're resorting to insults. That's low class.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Your continued, rather frantic, efforts at trying to "prove" how
> > >> >>>> dangerious the terrifying AR-15 is, is really becoming an exercise in
> > >> >>>> stupidity.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> You see Frank the AR is used very, very, very, infrequently in firearm
> > >> >>>> homicides - your own account is 36 killed by the tremendously
> > >> >>>> dangerious AR in a world where AR ownership is said to be 20,000,000.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> How many schoolkids massacred in class are you willing to put up with?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> What number of people massacred while praying in church is fine with you?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> What are the societal benefits of permitting guns designed for those
> > >> >>> atrocities?
> > >> >> More fallacious fear mongering.
> > >> >
> > >> > In other words, you have no argument.
> > >> Mr. Tricycle Rider never does have a logical argument.
> > >>
> > >> And to get a little psychological: That can be a problem with people who
> > >> proclaim themselves proud independent loners. They avoid social contact
> > >> (probably because people find them obnoxious), so they lack standards to
> > >> judge their own intelligence. They imagine every one of their thoughts
> > >> is a witty and original gem.
> > >>
> > >> But they contribute nothing intelligent to a conversation.
> > >>
> > >
> > >You have to admit it take a special kind of stupid to read a pentagon report that states "The AR-15 was designated the standard basic weapon for the Air Force on 2 January 1962" and "On 11 March 1963 the Secretary of Defense designated the Army the Department of Defense agent for procurement of the AR15 system for all Services" for 80,000 AR-15s, then still insist "Simple fact is that the AR15 is not a military weapon and never has been." (kitty tricycle rider)
> > >
> > >And it take s truly _spectacular_ level of stupid to read an ARPA report that states "the AR-I5 is the most desirable weapon for use in Vietnam " and "Vietnamese troops, Commanders and US Advisors prefer it to any other weapon presently being used in Vietnam." and claim the report is "a citation that SHOWS that the Armalite AR15 wasn't wanted by the military" (kunich)
> > >
> > >Makes you wonder how these people manage to dress themselves - though it does explain how trump got elected.
> > I have to assume that Jimmy Junior isn't bright enough to understand
> > that the AR15 that became the M16 is very different from any AR15
> > available to civilians.. I'm just going to let him continue wallowing
> > around in his ignorance..

On 12/13/2022 6:26 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 5:35:28 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Imagine the stupidity believing that the semiautomatic civilian version of the AR15 is the same thing as the militarized M16.
>
> Imagine the stupidity of believing I ever wrote anything even similar to that.

Tom lacks the brains to counter what people actually say, so he prefers
to argue with what he pretends they say.

Straw man arguments like that are stupid and cowardly.

--
- Frank Krygowski