https://www.photonicsonline.com/doc/collisions-of-light-produce-matter-antimatter-from-pure-energy-0001?vm_tId=2324584&vm_nId=66691&user=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&gdpr=0&vm_alias=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&utm_source=mkt_PHOTO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PHOTO_08-09-2021&utm_term=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&utm_content=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&mkt_tok=MDc1LU5WQy0wODYAAAF-ybREZzeqq0Pw56eoI6EunPMRy0rYeQDHQkT2-AAN2etPc2UJNk0rPCoJk7BeshK_XexBqAiBT7cuvJ7SOgLKPSFpYiCCKbBs1ri921I

I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
didn't work!

And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
another.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On a sunny day (Mon, 09 Aug 2021 08:00:51 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<4mg2hgdmut0g375biljl0isemj9kpjcuvl@4ax.com>:

>https://www.photonicsonline.com/doc/collisions-of-light-produce-matter-antimatter-from-pure-energy-0001?vm_tId=2324584&vm_nId=666
>91&user=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&gdpr=0&vm_alias=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pu
>re%20Energy&utm_source=mkt_PHOTO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PHOTO_08-09-2021&utm_term=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&ut
>m_content=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&mkt_tok=MDc1LU5WQy0wODYAAAF-ybREZzeqq0P
>w56eoI6EunPMRy0rYeQDHQkT2-AAN2etPc2UJNk0rPCoJk7BeshK_XexBqAiBT7cuvJ7SOgLKPSFpYiCCKbBs1ri921I

This link actually worked:
https://www.photonicsonline.com/doc/collisions-of-light-produce-matter-antimatter-from-pure-energy-0001

>I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
>didn't work!

Its EM radiation (M for magnetic) so why not...)

>And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
>another.

If I see photons (EM radiation) as groups of Le Sage particles that have some property changed (making it EM radiation)
than it is all matter.

On Mon, 09 Aug 2021 16:51:54 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On a sunny day (Mon, 09 Aug 2021 08:00:51 -0700) it happened
>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
><4mg2hgdmut0g375biljl0isemj9kpjcuvl@4ax.com>:
>
>>https://www.photonicsonline.com/doc/collisions-of-light-produce-matter-antimatter-from-pure-energy-0001?vm_tId=2324584&vm_nId=666" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.photonicsonline.com/doc/collisions-of-light-produce-matter-antimatter-from-pure-energy-0001?vm_tId=2324584&vm_nId=666
>>91&user=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&gdpr=0&vm_alias=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pu
>>re%20Energy&utm_source=mkt_PHOTO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PHOTO_08-09-2021&utm_term=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&ut
>>m_content=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&mkt_tok=MDc1LU5WQy0wODYAAAF-ybREZzeqq0P
>>w56eoI6EunPMRy0rYeQDHQkT2-AAN2etPc2UJNk0rPCoJk7BeshK_XexBqAiBT7cuvJ7SOgLKPSFpYiCCKbBs1ri921I
>
>This link actually worked:
> https://www.photonicsonline.com/doc/collisions-of-light-produce-matter-antimatter-from-pure-energy-0001

Not for me. But this link from Brookhaven did work:

..<https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=119023>

>>I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
>>didn't work!
>
>Its EM radiation (M for magnetic) so why not...)

You would need a somewhat stronger magnet than available to kids.
Think Magnetar:

..<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetar>

>>And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
>>another.

They can, but the cross-section isn't large.

Joe Gwinn

On 8/9/2021 18:00, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> https://www.photonicsonline.com/doc/collisions-of-light-produce-matter-antimatter-from-pure-energy-0001?vm_tId=2324584&vm_nId=66691&user=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&gdpr=0&vm_alias=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&utm_source=mkt_PHOTO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PHOTO_08-09-2021&utm_term=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&utm_content=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&mkt_tok=MDc1LU5WQy0wODYAAAF-ybREZzeqq0Pw56eoI6EunPMRy0rYeQDHQkT2-AAN2etPc2UJNk0rPCoJk7BeshK_XexBqAiBT7cuvJ7SOgLKPSFpYiCCKbBs1ri921I
>
> I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
> didn't work!
>
> And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
> another.
>
>
>

I get it you are no longer against building large accelerators then? :-)

Nice experiment indeed.

On Tuesday, 10 August 2021 at 01:01:01 UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> https://www.photonicsonline.com/doc/collisions-of-light-produce-matter-antimatter-from-pure-energy-0001?vm_tId=2324584&vm_nId=66691&user=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&gdpr=0&vm_alias=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&utm_source=mkt_PHOTO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PHOTO_08-09-2021&utm_term=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&utm_content=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&mkt_tok=MDc1LU5WQy0wODYAAAF-ybREZzeqq0Pw56eoI6EunPMRy0rYeQDHQkT2-AAN2etPc2UJNk0rPCoJk7BeshK_XexBqAiBT7cuvJ7SOgLKPSFpYiCCKbBs1ri921I
>
> I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
> didn't work!
>
> And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
> another.

Seems like a colossal waste of money and resources for no tangible social or economic gain!

--
Cheers,
Chris.

On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 16:38:28 -0700 (PDT), Chris <chris.863@live.com>
wrote:

>On Tuesday, 10 August 2021 at 01:01:01 UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> https://www.photonicsonline.com/doc/collisions-of-light-produce-matter-antimatter-from-pure-energy-0001?vm_tId=2324584&vm_nId=66691&user=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&gdpr=0&vm_alias=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&utm_source=mkt_PHOTO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PHOTO_08-09-2021&utm_term=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&utm_content=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&mkt_tok=MDc1LU5WQy0wODYAAAF-ybREZzeqq0Pw56eoI6EunPMRy0rYeQDHQkT2-AAN2etPc2UJNk0rPCoJk7BeshK_XexBqAiBT7cuvJ7SOgLKPSFpYiCCKbBs1ri921I
>>
>> I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
>> didn't work!
>>
>> And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
>> another.
>
>Seems like a colossal waste of money and resources for no tangible social or economic gain!

Right. A million lives could have been saved in Africa for what CERN
cost.

And a few thousand physicists could have done something useful.

And they want to build a bigger one.

On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 9:53:39 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 16:38:28 -0700 (PDT), Chris <chri...@live.com>
> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, 10 August 2021 at 01:01:01 UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> https://www.photonicsonline.com/doc/collisions-of-light-produce-matter-antimatter-from-pure-energy-0001?vm_tId=2324584&vm_nId=66691&user=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&gdpr=0&vm_alias=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&utm_source=mkt_PHOTO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PHOTO_08-09-2021&utm_term=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&utm_content=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&mkt_tok=MDc1LU5WQy0wODYAAAF-ybREZzeqq0Pw56eoI6EunPMRy0rYeQDHQkT2-AAN2etPc2UJNk0rPCoJk7BeshK_XexBqAiBT7cuvJ7SOgLKPSFpYiCCKbBs1ri921I
> >>
> >> I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
> >> didn't work!
> >>
> >> And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
> >> another.
> >
> >Seems like a colossal waste of money and resources for no tangible social or economic gain!

None that John Larkin can understand. Fundamental science has a way of paying off.

It is worth recalling the physicist Michael Faraday's reply in the 1850s to William Gladstone, then British chancellor of the exchequer. Questioned about the practical value of electricity, Faraday answered: “One day, sir, you may tax it.”

> Right. A million lives could have been saved in Africa for what CERN cost..

But nobody seems to be motivated to spend that kind of money that way, in part because most attempts to spend that kind of money in Africa end up making the local politician richer without saving all that many lives.

> And a few thousand physicists could have done something useful.

The one's that work at CERN seem to be able to design good electronics. If they weren't working at CERN they might otherwise have stolen some of your business.
> And they want to build a bigger one.

As one would.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On a sunny day (Mon, 9 Aug 2021 18:02:07 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<5fdc0277-5011-4a4b-9ae6-f2e0b8d12eb2n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 9:53:39 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
>> Right. A million lives could have been saved in Africa for what CERN cost.
>
>But
>nobody seems to be motivated to spend that kind of money that way, in part
>because most attempts to spend that kind of money in Africa end up making
>the local politician richer without saving all that many lives.
>
>> And a few thousand physicists could have done something useful.
>
>The one's that work at CERN seem to be able to design good electronics. If they
>weren't working at CERN they might otherwise have stolen some of your
>business.
>
>> And they want to build a bigger one.

More of those bomb shelter tunnels will perhaps give some protection in the coming nuculer war

But there are better ways for that, what was it? 'Hide under the kitchen table?'

>As one would.

In makes no sense, said it many times:
"If you cannot do it with those tiny particles on the desktop then you cannot do it
in a machine the size of the universe."

Long ago the first radio transmitters were large multi pole generators to create the carrier (of a few kHz)..
Now you need microscope to find the GHz oscillator on the chip.

I like to read https://www.sciencedaily.com first thing in the morning to see what's new.
CERN does not have much presence there...

On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 4:48:33 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 9 Aug 2021 18:02:07 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
> William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
> <5fdc0277-5011-4a4b...@googlegroups.com>:
> >On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 9:53:39 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
> >> Right. A million lives could have been saved in Africa for what CERN cost.
> >
> >But
> >nobody seems to be motivated to spend that kind of money that way, in part
> >because most attempts to spend that kind of money in Africa end up making
> >the local politician richer without saving all that many lives.
> >
> >> And a few thousand physicists could have done something useful.
> >
> >The one's that work at CERN seem to be able to design good electronics. If they
> >weren't working at CERN they might otherwise have stolen some of your
> >business.
> >
> >> And they want to build a bigger one.
> More of those bomb shelter tunnels will perhaps give some protection in the coming nuclear war
>
> But there are better ways for that, what was it? 'Hide under the kitchen table?'
>
> >As one would.
>
> In makes no sense, said it many times:
> "If you cannot do it with those tiny particles on the desktop then you cannot do it
> in a machine the size of the universe."

You do seem to go in for saying silly things.

> Long ago the first radio transmitters were large multi pole generators to create the carrier (of a few kHz)..
> Now you need microscope to find the GHz oscillator on the chip.

GHz radio waves have a much shorter wavelength than kHz radio waves - about a million time smaller. That does help.
> I like to read https://www.sciencedaily.com first thing in the morning to see what's new.
> CERN does not have much presence there...

Particle physics doesn't feature largely in popular science. They did get a bit excited about the Higgs boson, but there aren't all that many fundamental particles, and when they start getting numerous enough to get interesting, somebody starts working out how to build them up from even more fundamental particles.

When I started learning chemistry all the atoms in the periodic table were made up of protons, neutrons and electrons. The electrons are still with us, but the protons and neutrons are now things made up of quarks.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 8:01:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
> didn't work!

> And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
> another.

In some materials, there are interactions; it's called nonlinear optics.
The easiest observable effect is in photochromic glass.

On a sunny day (Tue, 10 Aug 2021 00:04:55 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<4ebe8ccf-731b-4bc0-8d4c-986aa5667e09n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 4:48:33 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Mon, 9 Aug 2021 18:02:07 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
>>
>> In makes no sense, said it many times:
>> "If you cannot do it with those tiny particles on the desktop then you cannot
>do it
>> in a machine the size of the universe."
>
>You do seem to go in for saying silly things.

In the last few year several things that needed big accelerators were done with
a different setup on the desktop.
Even posted about that I think.
That trend will continue.

>> Long ago the first radio transmitters were large multi pole generators to
>create the carrier (of a few kHz)..
>> Now you need microscope to find the GHz oscillator on the chip.
>
>GHz radio waves have a much shorter wavelength than kHz radio waves - about
>a million time smaller. That does help.

Just a small digital divider added allows for any lower frequency generated on chip..
Have a nice ADF4350 board:
Output frequency range: 137.5 MHz to 4400 MHz
Fractional-N synthesizer and integer-N synthesizer

>> I like to read https://www.sciencedaily.com first thing in the morning to
>see what's new.
>> CERN does not have much presence there...
>
>Particle physics doesn't feature largely in popular science. They did get a
>bit excited about the Higgs boson, but there aren't all that many fundamental
>particles, and when they start getting numerous enough to get interesting,
>somebody starts working out how to build them up from even more fundamental
>particles.
>
>When I started learning chemistry all the atoms in the periodic table were made
>up of protons, neutrons and electrons. The electrons are still with us,
>but the protons and neutrons are now things made up of quarks.

Yes, same here, periodic table, etc.. Was high school stuff.
Any practical application of / using quarks?

On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 11:48:33 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 9 Aug 2021 18:02:07 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
> William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
> <5fdc0277-5011-4a4b...@googlegroups.com>:
> >On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 9:53:39 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

> >> And a few thousand physicists could have done something useful.
> >
> >The one's that work at CERN seem to be able to design good electronics. If they
> >weren't working at CERN they might otherwise have stolen some of your
> >business.

> In makes no sense, said it many times:
> "If you cannot do it with those tiny particles on the desktop then you cannot do it
> in a machine the size of the universe."

Oh, it makes sense. There's scaling laws. CERN needs a big ring
because magnet fields for a small ring are unachievable at the energies of interest.

On 8/10/2021 2:53, John Larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 16:38:28 -0700 (PDT), Chris <chris.863@live.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, 10 August 2021 at 01:01:01 UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> https://www.photonicsonline.com/doc/collisions-of-light-produce-matter-antimatter-from-pure-energy-0001?vm_tId=2324584&vm_nId=66691&user=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&gdpr=0&vm_alias=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&utm_source=mkt_PHOTO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PHOTO_08-09-2021&utm_term=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&utm_content=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&mkt_tok=MDc1LU5WQy0wODYAAAF-ybREZzeqq0Pw56eoI6EunPMRy0rYeQDHQkT2-AAN2etPc2UJNk0rPCoJk7BeshK_XexBqAiBT7cuvJ7SOgLKPSFpYiCCKbBs1ri921I
>>>
>>> I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
>>> didn't work!
>>>
>>> And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
>>> another.
>>
>> Seems like a colossal waste of money and resources for no tangible social or economic gain!
>
> Right. A million lives could have been saved in Africa for what CERN
> cost.
>
> And a few thousand physicists could have done something useful.
>
> And they want to build a bigger one.
>
>

So you *are* an activist repeating propaganda cliches.
Obviously you *know* what nonsense you are saying yet you
keep on spreading it.
What a shame.

On a sunny day (Tue, 10 Aug 2021 02:30:52 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd
<whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
<38725cbd-3a0b-454d-97eb-ff350ca7ea50n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 11:48:33 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Mon, 9 Aug 2021 18:02:07 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
>> William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
>> <5fdc0277-5011-4a4b...@googlegroups.com>:
>> >On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 9:53:39 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
>
>> >> And a few thousand physicists could have done something useful.
>> >
>> >The one's that work at CERN seem to be able to design good electronics. If they
>> >weren't working at CERN they might otherwise have stolen some of your
>> >business.
>
>> In makes no sense, said it many times:
>> "If you cannot do it with those tiny particles on the desktop then you cannot do it
>> in a machine the size of the universe."
>
>Oh, it makes sense. There's scaling laws. CERN needs a big ring
>because magnet fields for a small ring are unachievable at the energies of interest.

If we assume (I know, that makes one an ..) for a moment things are more complex than a simple ball,
Then are you claiming that shooting a Ferrari and a Mercedes at near light speed at each other
will give you in depth knowledge of its engine and electronics?
Sure you see parts, and parts of parts flying all over the place...

This whole CERN bowling ball game makes little sense to me.
Put the statistics on top of that and nothing needs to be what they think it is.
But it is job creation (for a.o. the electronics industry) and the politicians have done something with science
and the construction workers have many years of work tunneling
the Einstein echoers have a job
and nothing will ever come of it

Very much the same as all those space projects, I remember the men walking on the moon,
that fascinated the whole world, now they creep under the ground in tunnels...
:-)

'theory of everything' said the ant creeping on the wall
Few neurons making up our neural nets, no way 'everything'.
But then again we do not even know in depth how those work,
I reasoned (strange thing to some) that 'if I was a memory cell I would use DNA to store data' (years, many years ago,
is ons Usenet, now guess what they found, in brain cells RNA is transported...
The current neural net jive cannot explain the full memory we have.

On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 3:13:49 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Tue, 10 Aug 2021 02:30:52 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd
> <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <38725cbd-3a0b-454d...@googlegroups.com>:
> >On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 11:48:33 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

> >> In makes no sense, said it many times:
> >> "If you cannot do it with those tiny particles on the desktop then you cannot do it
> >> in a machine the size of the universe."

> >Oh, it makes sense. There's scaling laws. CERN needs a big ring
> >because magnet fields for a small ring are unachievable at the energies of interest.

> If we assume (I know, that makes one an ..) for a moment things are more complex than a simple ball,
> Then are you claiming that shooting a Ferrari and a Mercedes at near light speed at each other
> will give you in depth knowledge of its engine and electronics?

Not at all. There's OTHER ways to dissasemble a Ferrari or a Mercedes, and
those are suitable for doing on a desktop...

> Sure you see parts, and parts of parts flying all over the place...

Except for high energy collisions, the particles of interest are inseparable.

On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 12:52:58 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

>On 8/10/2021 2:53, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 16:38:28 -0700 (PDT), Chris <chris.863@live.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, 10 August 2021 at 01:01:01 UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> https://www.photonicsonline.com/doc/collisions-of-light-produce-matter-antimatter-from-pure-energy-0001?vm_tId=2324584&vm_nId=66691&user=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&gdpr=0&vm_alias=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&utm_source=mkt_PHOTO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PHOTO_08-09-2021&utm_term=e390bfd9-8068-4614-b36c-19ba190f3646&utm_content=Collisions%20Of%20Light%20Produce%20Matter%2FAntimatter%20From%20Pure%20Energy&mkt_tok=MDc1LU5WQy0wODYAAAF-ybREZzeqq0Pw56eoI6EunPMRy0rYeQDHQkT2-AAN2etPc2UJNk0rPCoJk7BeshK_XexBqAiBT7cuvJ7SOgLKPSFpYiCCKbBs1ri921I
>>>>
>>>> I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
>>>> didn't work!
>>>>
>>>> And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
>>>> another.
>>>
>>> Seems like a colossal waste of money and resources for no tangible social or economic gain!
>>
>> Right. A million lives could have been saved in Africa for what CERN
>> cost.
>>
>> And a few thousand physicists could have done something useful.
>>
>> And they want to build a bigger one.
>>
>>
>
>So you *are* an activist repeating propaganda cliches.

I form my own opinions. And I sell to CERN.

>Obviously you *know* what nonsense you are saying yet you
>keep on spreading it.
>What a shame.

Do you have anything useful to add to the discussion?

Cutting over to lame insults usually means you don't.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 00:04:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 8:01:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>> I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
>> didn't work!
>
>
>> And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
>> another.
>
>In some materials, there are interactions; it's called nonlinear optics.
>The easiest observable effect is in photochromic glass.

Sure. I was wondering about photon interactions in free space.

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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:5s15hg5clf2ieuoh67fuqe8gpio8g20tvj@4ax.com:

>>Obviously you *know* what nonsense you are saying yet you
>>keep on spreading it.
>>What a shame.
>
> Do you have anything useful to add to the discussion?
>
> Cutting over to lame insults usually means you don't.
>

Declaring that you do not know what you are saying is not an insult.
Declaring that you know full well what you are saying and that such
behavior is shameful is not one either.

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:0125hg550t31cr8lhmj429fs666bh3gdee@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 00:04:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd
> <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 8:01:01 AM UTC-7,
>>jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>
>>> I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
>>> didn't work!
>>
>>
>>> And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass
>>> through one another.
>>
>>In some materials, there are interactions; it's called nonlinear
>>optics. The easiest observable effect is in photochromic glass.
>
> Sure. I was wondering about photon interactions in free space.
>
>
>

Gravitational waves work better than magnetic for that. :-)

On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 14:46:52 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>news:5s15hg5clf2ieuoh67fuqe8gpio8g20tvj@4ax.com:
>
>>>Obviously you *know* what nonsense you are saying yet you
>>>keep on spreading it.
>>>What a shame.
>>
>> Do you have anything useful to add to the discussion?
>>
>> Cutting over to lame insults usually means you don't.
>>
>
> Declaring that you do not know what you are saying is not an insult.
>Declaring that you know full well what you are saying and that such
>behavior is shameful is not one either.

Pop psychology doesn't say a lot about particle accelerators.

Big Physics is mostly pork without any bacon. Imagine how much real,
useful science could be done for the cost of a 100 km accelerator.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00173-2

Sabine rocks.

I designed the wire chamber electronics for a p-p experiment at CERN.
It used a concept I called "progressive enrichment" to move through
layers of track finding, starting with pure ECL hardware, then FPGAs,
to reduce the insane data rates to something that could be recorded
for analysis. I don't think it discovered any good physics.

The principal investigator gave up physics and got into music theory.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On 2021-08-10 16:08, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 00:04:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 8:01:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>
>>> I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
>>> didn't work!
>>
>>
>>> And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
>>> another.
>>
>> In some materials, there are interactions; it's called nonlinear optics.
>> The easiest observable effect is in photochromic glass.
>
> Sure. I was wondering about photon interactions in free space.
>
>
>

No such thing. A photon is a quantized interaction between
matter and electromagnetic radiation. Without matter, no
photons.

Jeroen Belleman

On 8/10/2021 17:46, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
> news:5s15hg5clf2ieuoh67fuqe8gpio8g20tvj@4ax.com:
>
>>> Obviously you *know* what nonsense you are saying yet you
>>> keep on spreading it.
>>> What a shame.
>>
>> Do you have anything useful to add to the discussion?
>>
>> Cutting over to lame insults usually means you don't.
>>
>
> Declaring that you do not know what you are saying is not an insult.
> Declaring that you know full well what you are saying and that such
> behavior is shameful is not one either.
>

I was about to write something like this but you were faster, thanks.

On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:16:18 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
wrote:

>On 8/10/2021 17:46, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>> news:5s15hg5clf2ieuoh67fuqe8gpio8g20tvj@4ax.com:
>>
>>>> Obviously you *know* what nonsense you are saying yet you
>>>> keep on spreading it.
>>>> What a shame.
>>>
>>> Do you have anything useful to add to the discussion?
>>>
>>> Cutting over to lame insults usually means you don't.
>>>
>>
>> Declaring that you do not know what you are saying is not an insult.
>> Declaring that you know full well what you are saying and that such
>> behavior is shameful is not one either.
>>
>
>I was about to write something like this but you were faster, thanks.

Don't be another old hen. This ain't Facebook. Talk about the merits
of building more big accelerators.

How much is it worth to know a little bit more about the Higgs
particle?

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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 17:14:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

>On 2021-08-10 16:08, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 00:04:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 8:01:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
>>>> didn't work!
>>>
>>>
>>>> And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
>>>> another.
>>>
>>> In some materials, there are interactions; it's called nonlinear optics.
>>> The easiest observable effect is in photochromic glass.
>>
>> Sure. I was wondering about photon interactions in free space.
>>
>>
>>
>
>No such thing. A photon is a quantized interaction between
>matter and electromagnetic radiation. Without matter, no
>photons.
>
>Jeroen Belleman

Did you read my original link? It seems that a pair of photons can
collide and produce matter.

Sort of like a pair of particles colliding and making photons.

Of course, the smallest particle has a lot of mc^2 energy, so the
photons would have to be very energetic.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

On 2021-08-10 17:28, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 17:14:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-10 16:08, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 00:04:56 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 8:01:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I tried bending light with a magnetic field when I was a kid. It
>>>>> didn't work!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And I've wondered if photons could interact, or just pass through one
>>>>> another.
>>>>
>>>> In some materials, there are interactions; it's called nonlinear optics.
>>>> The easiest observable effect is in photochromic glass.
>>>
>>> Sure. I was wondering about photon interactions in free space.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No such thing. A photon is a quantized interaction between
>> matter and electromagnetic radiation. Without matter, no
>> photons.
>>
>> Jeroen Belleman
>
> Did you read my original link? It seems that a pair of photons can
> collide and produce matter.
>
> Sort of like a pair of particles colliding and making photons.
>
> Of course, the smallest particle has a lot of mc^2 energy, so the
> photons would have to be very energetic.
>
>
>

I did. It seemed to involve colliding gold ions.

Jeroen Belleman