fredag 13 augusti 2021 kl. 14:14:08 UTC+2 skrev pva...@yahoo.com:
> "For instance, Einstein's theory implies something called the strong equivalence principle (SEP): that the internal dynamics of a system (such as a galaxy) that is freely moving in an external gravitational field should not depend on the external field strength. Milgrom's theory violates the SEP, and in fact it has recently been claimed, based on observations of galaxies, that the SEP is violated. That result, if confirmed, would rule out Einstein's theory of gravity while at the same time confirming a prediction of Milgrom's theory." https://aeon.co/essays/we-should-explore-alternatives-to-the-standard-model-of-cosmology
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> Einstein's theory of gravity is already ruled out by the fact that, in a gravitational field, the speed of light varies as predicted by Newton's theory (proved by the Pound-Rebka-Snider experiment), which implies that gravitational time dilation does not exist:
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> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign: "Consider a falling object. ITS SPEED INCREASES AS IT IS FALLING. Hence, if we were to associate a frequency with that object the frequency should increase accordingly as it falls to earth. Because of the equivalence between gravitational and inertial mass, WE SHOULD OBSERVE THE SAME EFFECT FOR LIGHT. So lets shine a light beam from the top of a very tall building. If we can measure the frequency shift as the light beam descends the building, we should be able to discern how gravity affects a falling light beam. This was done by Pound and Rebka in 1960. They shone a light from the top of the Jefferson tower at Harvard and measured the frequency shift. The frequency shift was tiny but in agreement with the theoretical prediction. Consider a light beam that is travelling away from a gravitational field. Its frequency should shift to lower values. This is known as the gravitational red shift of light." https://courses.physics.illinois.edu/phys419/sp2011/lectures/Lecture13/L13r.html
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> Albert Einstein Institute: "You do not need general relativity to derive the correct prediction for the gravitational redshift. A combination of Newtonian gravity, a particle theory of light, and the weak equivalence principle (gravitating mass equals inertial mass) suffices. [...] The gravitational redshift was first measured on earth in 1960-65 by Pound, Rebka, and Snider at Harvard University..." http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/redshift_white_dwarfs.html
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> "We conclude, therefore, that A BEAM OF LIGHT WILL ACCELERATE IN A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD AS DO OBJECTS WITH REST MASS. For example, near the surface of Earth light will fall with acceleration 9.8 m/s^2." http://web.pdx.edu/~pmoeck/books/Tipler_Llewellyn.pdf
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> R. V. Pound and J. L. Snider, Effect of Gravity on Gamma Radiation: "It is not our purpose here to enter into the many-sided discussion of the relationship between the effect under study and general relativity or energy conservation. It is to be noted that no strictly relativistic concepts are involved and the description of the effect as an "apparent weight" of photons is suggestive. The velocity difference predicted is identical to that which a material object would acquire in free fall for a time equal to the time of flight." http://virgo.lal.in2p3.fr/NPAC/relativite_fichiers/pound.pdf
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> See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
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> Pentcho Valev

Why all this hate towards GR? You cite people from the 60s. It's 60 years later now.

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 7:37:54 AM UTC-7, markus...@gmail.com wrote:
> fredag 13 augusti 2021 kl. 14:14:08 UTC+2 skrev pva...@yahoo.com:
> > "For instance, Einstein's theory implies something called the strong equivalence principle (SEP): that the internal dynamics of a system (such as a galaxy) that is freely moving in an external gravitational field should not depend on the external field strength. Milgrom's theory violates the SEP, and in fact it has recently been claimed, based on observations of galaxies, that the SEP is violated. That result, if confirmed, would rule out Einstein's theory of gravity while at the same time confirming a prediction of Milgrom's theory." https://aeon.co/essays/we-should-explore-alternatives-to-the-standard-model-of-cosmology
> >
> > Einstein's theory of gravity is already ruled out by the fact that, in a gravitational field, the speed of light varies as predicted by Newton's theory (proved by the Pound-Rebka-Snider experiment), which implies that gravitational time dilation does not exist:
> >
> > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign: "Consider a falling object. ITS SPEED INCREASES AS IT IS FALLING. Hence, if we were to associate a frequency with that object the frequency should increase accordingly as it falls to earth. Because of the equivalence between gravitational and inertial mass, WE SHOULD OBSERVE THE SAME EFFECT FOR LIGHT. So lets shine a light beam from the top of a very tall building. If we can measure the frequency shift as the light beam descends the building, we should be able to discern how gravity affects a falling light beam. This was done by Pound and Rebka in 1960. They shone a light from the top of the Jefferson tower at Harvard and measured the frequency shift. The frequency shift was tiny but in agreement with the theoretical prediction. Consider a light beam that is travelling away from a gravitational field. Its frequency should shift to lower values. This is known as the gravitational red shift of light." https://courses.physics.illinois.edu/phys419/sp2011/lectures/Lecture13/L13r.html
> >
> > Albert Einstein Institute: "You do not need general relativity to derive the correct prediction for the gravitational redshift. A combination of Newtonian gravity, a particle theory of light, and the weak equivalence principle (gravitating mass equals inertial mass) suffices. [...] The gravitational redshift was first measured on earth in 1960-65 by Pound, Rebka, and Snider at Harvard University..." http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/redshift_white_dwarfs.html
> >
> > "We conclude, therefore, that A BEAM OF LIGHT WILL ACCELERATE IN A GRAVITATIONAL FIELD AS DO OBJECTS WITH REST MASS. For example, near the surface of Earth light will fall with acceleration 9.8 m/s^2." http://web.pdx.edu/~pmoeck/books/Tipler_Llewellyn.pdf
> >
> > R. V. Pound and J. L. Snider, Effect of Gravity on Gamma Radiation: "It is not our purpose here to enter into the many-sided discussion of the relationship between the effect under study and general relativity or energy conservation. It is to be noted that no strictly relativistic concepts are involved and the description of the effect as an "apparent weight" of photons is suggestive. The velocity difference predicted is identical to that which a material object would acquire in free fall for a time equal to the time of flight." http://virgo.lal.in2p3.fr/NPAC/relativite_fichiers/pound.pdf
> >
> > See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
> >
> > Pentcho Valev
> Why all this hate towards GR? You cite people from the 60s. It's 60 years later now.

Google "Pentcho Valev". There is something wrong with him mentally (those newsgroups are
magnets for cuckoos). He has been posting basically identical-sounding texts for 20+ years now.

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Jan