They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/

On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.
>
>https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/

The BBC says he fled to the US embassy, so presumably he'll be back
home in the US shortly.

He did apparently renounce his US citizenship, but presumably that
will be reversed if it actually occured.

--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 12:37:34 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.
>>
>>https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/
>
>The BBC says he fled to the US embassy, so presumably he'll be back
>home in the US shortly.
>
>He did apparently renounce his US citizenship, but presumably that
>will be reversed if it actually occured.

Well, another failed war that cost mucho dinero yet achieved fuck all.
I believe it was Alexander the Great who said Afghanistan was
unconquerable over 2,000 years ago, but our wonderful politicians
thought they knew better. Pragmatism rules and always has done.
The people we elect have clearly never picked up a history
book.
--

Britain: do the right thing and hand Australia back to China.

On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 12:37:42 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.
> >
> >https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/
> The BBC says he fled to the US embassy, so presumably he'll be back
> home in the US shortly.
>
> He did apparently renounce his US citizenship, but presumably that
> will be reversed if it actually occured.

Interestingly Hamid Karzai is still in Kabul in his residence/ fortress with his family. Doesn't look like he has any plans for leaving.

>
> --
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany

Cursitor Doom wrote:

> Well, another failed war that cost mucho dinero yet achieved fuck all.
> I believe it was Alexander the Great who said Afghanistan was
> unconquerable over 2,000 years ago, but our wonderful politicians
> thought they knew better. Pragmatism rules and always has done.
> The people we elect have clearly never picked up a history
> book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsCNZN3v2l0

Best regards, Piotr

Piotr Wyderski wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsCNZN3v2l0

And this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_e8oSxQtSk

Zero chances, says Joe...

On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 21:48:59 +0200, Piotr Wyderski
<bombald@protonmail.com> wrote:

>Piotr Wyderski wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsCNZN3v2l0
>
>And this one:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_e8oSxQtSk
>
>Zero chances, says Joe...

This is just embarrassing. And it seems like he's got dementia. :(
We are fucked.

On 2021/08/15 12:30 p.m., Piotr Wyderski wrote:
> Cursitor Doom wrote:
>
>> Well, another failed war that cost mucho dinero yet achieved fuck all.
>> I believe it was Alexander the Great who said Afghanistan was
>> unconquerable over 2,000 years ago, but our wonderful politicians
>> thought they knew better. Pragmatism rules and always has done.
>> The people we elect have clearly never picked up a history
>>   book.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsCNZN3v2l0
>
>     Best regards, Piotr
>

They've had a few invaders:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/asia-jan-june11-timeline-afghanistan

I feel sorry for the Afganies - most of whom I'm sure want to be left in
peace.

John :-#(#

On 8/15/2021 12:58 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 12:37:34 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
> <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.
>>>
>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/
>>
>> The BBC says he fled to the US embassy, so presumably he'll be back
>> home in the US shortly.
>>
>> He did apparently renounce his US citizenship, but presumably that
>> will be reversed if it actually occured.
>
> Well, another failed war that cost mucho dinero yet achieved fuck all.
> I believe it was Alexander the Great who said Afghanistan was
> unconquerable over 2,000 years ago, but our wonderful politicians
> thought they knew better. Pragmatism rules and always has done.
> The people we elect have clearly never picked up a history
> book.
>

The Afghan war and occupation was one of history’s longest gravy trains,
but even gravy has a sell-by date and this one was starting to get rank.
Lights out

On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 10:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 12:37:42 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.
>> >
>> >https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/
>> The BBC says he fled to the US embassy, so presumably he'll be back
>> home in the US shortly.
>>
>> He did apparently renounce his US citizenship, but presumably that
>> will be reversed if it actually occured.
>
>Interestingly Hamid Karzai is still in Kabul in his residence/ fortress with his family. Doesn't look like he has any plans for leaving.

Suspicious. He's been on the CIA payroll for decades.
--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:00:55 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 10:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 12:37:42 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> >> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/
> >> The BBC says he fled to the US embassy, so presumably he'll be back
> >> home in the US shortly.
> >>
> >> He did apparently renounce his US citizenship, but presumably that
> >> will be reversed if it actually occured.
> >
> >Interestingly Hamid Karzai is still in Kabul in his residence/ fortress with his family. Doesn't look like he has any plans for leaving.
> Suspicious. He's been on the CIA payroll for decades.

He's been a strong advocate for more Chinese economic development in Afghanistan for the past few years.

> --
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany

On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 02:47:17 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:00:55 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 10:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 12:37:42 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.
>> >> >
>> >> >https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/
>> >> The BBC says he fled to the US embassy, so presumably he'll be back
>> >> home in the US shortly.
>> >>
>> >> He did apparently renounce his US citizenship, but presumably that
>> >> will be reversed if it actually occured.
>> >
>> >Interestingly Hamid Karzai is still in Kabul in his residence/ fortress with his family. Doesn't look like he has any plans for leaving.
>> Suspicious. He's been on the CIA payroll for decades.
>
>He's been a strong advocate for more Chinese economic development in Afghanistan for the past few years.
>
Interesting. And Russia and Pakistan (being a Pashtun). Good.

--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

mandag den 16. august 2021 kl. 11.47.21 UTC+2 skrev Fred Bloggs:
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:00:55 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 10:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 12:37:42 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> > >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.
> > >> >
> > >> >https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/
> > >> The BBC says he fled to the US embassy, so presumably he'll be back
> > >> home in the US shortly.
> > >>
> > >> He did apparently renounce his US citizenship, but presumably that
> > >> will be reversed if it actually occured.
> > >
> > >Interestingly Hamid Karzai is still in Kabul in his residence/ fortress with his family. Doesn't look like he has any plans for leaving.
> > Suspicious. He's been on the CIA payroll for decades.
> He's been a strong advocate for more Chinese economic development in Afghanistan for the past few years.

isn't China just setting up colonies like the west did in the old days? except instead of sending
their own military to deal with the population, they just pay whatever corrupt government there
to do it for them

On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 10:19:05 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>mandag den 16. august 2021 kl. 11.47.21 UTC+2 skrev Fred Bloggs:
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:00:55 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> > On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 10:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 12:37:42 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> > >> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> > >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/
>> > >> The BBC says he fled to the US embassy, so presumably he'll be back
>> > >> home in the US shortly.
>> > >>
>> > >> He did apparently renounce his US citizenship, but presumably that
>> > >> will be reversed if it actually occured.
>> > >
>> > >Interestingly Hamid Karzai is still in Kabul in his residence/ fortress with his family. Doesn't look like he has any plans for leaving.
>> > Suspicious. He's been on the CIA payroll for decades.
>> He's been a strong advocate for more Chinese economic development in Afghanistan for the past few years.
>
>isn't China just setting up colonies like the west did in the old days? except instead of sending
>their own military to deal with the population, they just pay whatever corrupt government there
>to do it for them

Their dealings with the corrupt(?) US government to get soybeans at
rock-bottom price indeed remind one of a colonial relationship.
Similarly with iron ore and coal. And gas from Russia.
--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 1:19:08 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> mandag den 16. august 2021 kl. 11.47.21 UTC+2 skrev Fred Bloggs:
> > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:00:55 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> > > On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 10:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> > > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 12:37:42 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> > > >> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> > > >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/
> > > >> The BBC says he fled to the US embassy, so presumably he'll be back
> > > >> home in the US shortly.
> > > >>
> > > >> He did apparently renounce his US citizenship, but presumably that
> > > >> will be reversed if it actually occured.
> > > >
> > > >Interestingly Hamid Karzai is still in Kabul in his residence/ fortress with his family. Doesn't look like he has any plans for leaving.
> > > Suspicious. He's been on the CIA payroll for decades.
> > He's been a strong advocate for more Chinese economic development in Afghanistan for the past few years.
> isn't China just setting up colonies like the west did in the old days? except instead of sending
> their own military to deal with the population, they just pay whatever corrupt government there
> to do it for them

I believe China is mainly after exploiting the huge deposits of rare earth minerals there. They also have plans for some big infrastructure projects too, like hydroelectic power plants.
https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/afghanistan-puts-china-firmly-leadership-hook-2021-08-16/

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 4:54:20 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 10:19:05 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
> <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
>
> >mandag den 16. august 2021 kl. 11.47.21 UTC+2 skrev Fred Bloggs:
> >> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:00:55 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 10:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> >> > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 12:37:42 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> >> > >> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> >> > >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/
> >> > >> The BBC says he fled to the US embassy, so presumably he'll be back
> >> > >> home in the US shortly.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> He did apparently renounce his US citizenship, but presumably that
> >> > >> will be reversed if it actually occured.
> >> > >
> >> > >Interestingly Hamid Karzai is still in Kabul in his residence/ fortress with his family. Doesn't look like he has any plans for leaving.
> >> > Suspicious. He's been on the CIA payroll for decades.
> >> He's been a strong advocate for more Chinese economic development in Afghanistan for the past few years.
> >
> >isn't China just setting up colonies like the west did in the old days? except instead of sending
> >their own military to deal with the population, they just pay whatever corrupt government there
> >to do it for them
> Their dealings with the corrupt(?) US government to get soybeans at
> rock-bottom price indeed remind one of a colonial relationship.
> Similarly with iron ore and coal. And gas from Russia.
> --
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany

Karzai is China's envoy at large in Afghanistan.
"Karzai spoke highly of China's role as "a very constructive player for peace and stability of Afghanistan." He said the Afghan people really want China to continue to contribute to Afghanistan's peace by creating a platform of talks on its own initiative in Beijing and also for the joint exercise of Troika of China, Russia and Pakistan. "
He's been consistent with this message for ten years.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1227657.shtml

On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 15:03:22 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 1:19:08 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
>> mandag den 16. august 2021 kl. 11.47.21 UTC+2 skrev Fred Bloggs:
>> > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:00:55 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> > > On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 10:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> > > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 12:37:42 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> > > >> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
>> > > >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/
>> > > >> The BBC says he fled to the US embassy, so presumably he'll be back
>> > > >> home in the US shortly.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> He did apparently renounce his US citizenship, but presumably that
>> > > >> will be reversed if it actually occured.
>> > > >
>> > > >Interestingly Hamid Karzai is still in Kabul in his residence/ fortress with his family. Doesn't look like he has any plans for leaving.
>> > > Suspicious. He's been on the CIA payroll for decades.
>> > He's been a strong advocate for more Chinese economic development in Afghanistan for the past few years.
>> isn't China just setting up colonies like the west did in the old days? except instead of sending
>> their own military to deal with the population, they just pay whatever corrupt government there
>> to do it for them
>
>I believe China is mainly after exploiting the huge deposits of rare earth minerals there. They also have plans for some big infrastructure projects too, like hydroelectic power plants.
>https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/afghanistan-puts-china-firmly-leadership-hook-2021-08-16/

India is coming off as the big loser here- they sunk $3bn into
Afghanistan to curry favor, and actually built some useful
infrastructure. Look for them to blame their arch-enemy in Pakistan.

I guess that's not that much these days even for a poor country like
India, they've got $18bn a year for a space/ICBM program.

We'll see if the new government lets the
Tukmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India pipeline proceed unmolested.
That was reportedly part of the Doha negotations last year.
--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 10:57:56 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 15:03:22 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 1:19:08 PM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> >> mandag den 16. august 2021 kl. 11.47.21 UTC+2 skrev Fred Bloggs:
> >> > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:00:55 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> >> > > On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 10:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> >> > > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 12:37:42 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> >> > > >> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
> >> > > >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >They say he went to Tajikistan but they lie so much there's no telling. Afghanistan is now Talibanistan.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pres-ghani-leaves-tajikistan-interior-ministry-official-2021-08-15/
> >> > > >> The BBC says he fled to the US embassy, so presumably he'll be back
> >> > > >> home in the US shortly.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> He did apparently renounce his US citizenship, but presumably that
> >> > > >> will be reversed if it actually occured.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Interestingly Hamid Karzai is still in Kabul in his residence/ fortress with his family. Doesn't look like he has any plans for leaving.
> >> > > Suspicious. He's been on the CIA payroll for decades.
> >> > He's been a strong advocate for more Chinese economic development in Afghanistan for the past few years.
> >> isn't China just setting up colonies like the west did in the old days? except instead of sending
> >> their own military to deal with the population, they just pay whatever corrupt government there
> >> to do it for them
> >
> >I believe China is mainly after exploiting the huge deposits of rare earth minerals there. They also have plans for some big infrastructure projects too, like hydroelectic power plants.
> >https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/afghanistan-puts-china-firmly-leadership-hook-2021-08-16/
> India is coming off as the big loser here- they sunk $3bn into
> Afghanistan to curry favor, and actually built some useful
> infrastructure. Look for them to blame their arch-enemy in Pakistan.
>
> I guess that's not that much these days even for a poor country like
> India, they've got $18bn a year for a space/ICBM program.
>
> We'll see if the new government lets the
> Tukmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India pipeline proceed unmolested.
> That was reportedly part of the Doha negotations last year.

Taliban Meet Ex Afghan President Hamid Karzai In Talks To Form Government

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/former-afghan-president-karzai-meets-talibans-anas-haqqani-2513231

> --
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany