https://ktla.com/news/local-news/body-cam-video-shows-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting-in-riverside-county/
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Andrew Muzi
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 6:10:45 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/body-cam-video-shows-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting-in-riverside-county/
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Why do you suppose that they didn't report what that man did for a living? Who would carry a meat cleaver other than a chef? And who would say that it was a dangerous weapon other than a chef? Normal people would never think of it that way.

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:08:51 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 6:10:45 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > https://ktla.com/news/local-news/body-cam-video-shows-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting-in-riverside-county/
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> Why do you suppose that they didn't report what that man did for a living?

He said it quite clearly - He's the antichrist, a full-time job if there ever was one (I don't think anyone would be impressed with someone claiming to be the anti-christ as a part-time gig)

> Who would carry a meat cleaver other than a chef?

Why, The Anti-christ, of course! Oh, and a butcher also.

> And who would say that it was a dangerous weapon other than a chef?

Any cop who pulls over a guy on a bicycle who then proceeds to pull a meat cleaver out of his pocket after claiming to be the anti-christ would perceive a meat cleaver as a dangerous weapon - justifiably so.

> Normal people would never think of it that way.

Normal people wouldn't ride a bike with an unsheathed meat cleaver in their pocket ranting that they're the anti-christ.

FFS tom, your dementia is really getting out of hand.....

On 12/28/2022 10:08 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 6:10:45 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/body-cam-video-shows-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting-in-riverside-county/

> Why do you suppose that they didn't report what that man did for a living? Who would carry a meat cleaver other than a chef? And who would say that it was a dangerous weapon other than a chef? Normal people would never think of it that way.
>

Then again had he stayed right while riding none of it would
have happened.

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Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:06:29 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/28/2022 10:08 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 6:10:45 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/body-cam-video-shows-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting-in-riverside-county/
> > Why do you suppose that they didn't report what that man did for a living? Who would carry a meat cleaver other than a chef? And who would say that it was a dangerous weapon other than a chef? Normal people would never think of it that way.
> >
> Then again had he stayed right while riding none of it would
> have happened.

Quite right, but the question isn't whether the man was being ticketed but why he was shot AFTER saying that he was carrying a weapon. Why was he even ASKED that question? And being asked that question why didn't he say he had a meat cleaver. So WHY would he be such and the reporter not being in the least curious about it?

One thing that is important is that the COP wasn't in danger at any time that I could see at the time he shot. And it appears that he instigated the interaction by ordering the man onto the sidewalk which isn't a legal place to ride a bike rather than tell him that he had to ride on the right side of the road. Simply doing that would have avoided all of that and a dead man as well.

I am entirely for law and order, but not for cops who believe their office gives them the power of a king and the right to terminate the lives of people without a very good reason.

On 12/28/2022 1:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:06:29 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 12/28/2022 10:08 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 6:10:45 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/body-cam-video-shows-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting-in-riverside-county/
>>> Why do you suppose that they didn't report what that man did for a living? Who would carry a meat cleaver other than a chef? And who would say that it was a dangerous weapon other than a chef? Normal people would never think of it that way.
>>>
>> Then again had he stayed right while riding none of it would
>> have happened.
>
> Quite right, but the question isn't whether the man was being ticketed but why he was shot AFTER saying that he was carrying a weapon. Why was he even ASKED that question? And being asked that question why didn't he say he had a meat cleaver. So WHY would he be such and the reporter not being in the least curious about it?
>
> One thing that is important is that the COP wasn't in danger at any time that I could see at the time he shot. And it appears that he instigated the interaction by ordering the man onto the sidewalk which isn't a legal place to ride a bike rather than tell him that he had to ride on the right side of the road. Simply doing that would have avoided all of that and a dead man as well.
>
> I am entirely for law and order, but not for cops who believe their office gives them the power of a king and the right to terminate the lives of people without a very good reason.
>

Standard LE practices.

He asked the man to the sidewalk because conversation in the
street is considered unsafe.

A person with an edged weapon is considered a credible
threat within a short distance (variously 15 feet to 21 feet):

https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/new-knife-attack-decision-court-ponders-how-far-is-close-enough-to-be-an-immediate-threat-EVKm7zBreo2oKUmm/

'firearms training exercise conducted over 36 years ago by
well-known trainer Dennis Tueller. Tueller found that “the
average healthy adult male,” running with a knife or other
contact weapon in hand, can cover a distance of seven yards
in about 1.5 seconds – the time it takes the “average”
officer to draw a sidearm and place two hits center-mass on
a man-size target 21 feet away.'

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Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/28/2022 1:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:06:29 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 12/28/2022 10:08 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 6:10:45 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/body-cam-video-shows-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting-in-riverside-county/
> >>> Why do you suppose that they didn't report what that man did for a living? Who would carry a meat cleaver other than a chef? And who would say that it was a dangerous weapon other than a chef? Normal people would never think of it that way.
> >>>
> >> Then again had he stayed right while riding none of it would
> >> have happened.
> >
> > Quite right, but the question isn't whether the man was being ticketed but why he was shot AFTER saying that he was carrying a weapon. Why was he even ASKED that question? And being asked that question why didn't he say he had a meat cleaver. So WHY would he be such and the reporter not being in the least curious about it?
> >
> > One thing that is important is that the COP wasn't in danger at any time that I could see at the time he shot. And it appears that he instigated the interaction by ordering the man onto the sidewalk which isn't a legal place to ride a bike rather than tell him that he had to ride on the right side of the road. Simply doing that would have avoided all of that and a dead man as well.
> >
> > I am entirely for law and order, but not for cops who believe their office gives them the power of a king and the right to terminate the lives of people without a very good reason.
> >
> Standard LE practices.
>
> He asked the man to the sidewalk because conversation in the
> street is considered unsafe.
>
> A person with an edged weapon is considered a credible
> threat within a short distance (variously 15 feet to 21 feet):
>
> https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/new-knife-attack-decision-court-ponders-how-far-is-close-enough-to-be-an-immediate-threat-EVKm7zBreo2oKUmm/
>
> 'firearms training exercise conducted over 36 years ago by
> well-known trainer Dennis Tueller. Tueller found that “the
> average healthy adult male,” running with a knife or other
> contact weapon in hand, can cover a distance of seven yards
> in about 1.5 seconds – the time it takes the “average”
> officer to draw a sidearm and place two hits center-mass on
> a man-size target 21 feet away.'

This was in Riverside which has become absolutely infested with Hispanic gangs and a far different place from when I was at March Air Force Base in the late 60's

Watching the interaction again, I still believe that the cop handled that very badly and the play acting reporter didn't delve into anything other than "Another Spic got his". Though considering what did go down the cop couldn't be held at fault. Is that good or bad? Is this going to be a go ahead for other such actions by Riverside cops?

On 12/28/2022 4:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 12/28/2022 1:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:06:29 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 12/28/2022 10:08 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 6:10:45 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/body-cam-video-shows-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting-in-riverside-county/
>>>>> Why do you suppose that they didn't report what that man did for a living? Who would carry a meat cleaver other than a chef? And who would say that it was a dangerous weapon other than a chef? Normal people would never think of it that way.
>>>>>
>>>> Then again had he stayed right while riding none of it would
>>>> have happened.
>>>
>>> Quite right, but the question isn't whether the man was being ticketed but why he was shot AFTER saying that he was carrying a weapon. Why was he even ASKED that question? And being asked that question why didn't he say he had a meat cleaver. So WHY would he be such and the reporter not being in the least curious about it?
>>>
>>> One thing that is important is that the COP wasn't in danger at any time that I could see at the time he shot. And it appears that he instigated the interaction by ordering the man onto the sidewalk which isn't a legal place to ride a bike rather than tell him that he had to ride on the right side of the road. Simply doing that would have avoided all of that and a dead man as well.
>>>
>>> I am entirely for law and order, but not for cops who believe their office gives them the power of a king and the right to terminate the lives of people without a very good reason.
>>>
>> Standard LE practices.
>>
>> He asked the man to the sidewalk because conversation in the
>> street is considered unsafe.
>>
>> A person with an edged weapon is considered a credible
>> threat within a short distance (variously 15 feet to 21 feet):
>>
>> https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/new-knife-attack-decision-court-ponders-how-far-is-close-enough-to-be-an-immediate-threat-EVKm7zBreo2oKUmm/
>>
>> 'firearms training exercise conducted over 36 years ago by
>> well-known trainer Dennis Tueller. Tueller found that “the
>> average healthy adult male,” running with a knife or other
>> contact weapon in hand, can cover a distance of seven yards
>> in about 1.5 seconds – the time it takes the “average”
>> officer to draw a sidearm and place two hits center-mass on
>> a man-size target 21 feet away.'
>
> This was in Riverside which has become absolutely infested with Hispanic gangs and a far different place from when I was at March Air Force Base in the late 60's
>
> Watching the interaction again, I still believe that the cop handled that very badly and the play acting reporter didn't delve into anything other than "Another Spic got his". Though considering what did go down the cop couldn't be held at fault. Is that good or bad? Is this going to be a go ahead for other such actions by Riverside cops?
>

Gang? Reporter? Neither in the video I linked.

Typical PD policy (I have no special knowledge of Riverside)
is to remove the officer from patrol during an inquiry and
IMHO that inquiry will find he observed extant policy; no
charges.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 2:14:49 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/28/2022 4:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 12/28/2022 1:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:06:29 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 12/28/2022 10:08 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 6:10:45 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/body-cam-video-shows-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting-in-riverside-county/
> >>>>> Why do you suppose that they didn't report what that man did for a living? Who would carry a meat cleaver other than a chef? And who would say that it was a dangerous weapon other than a chef? Normal people would never think of it that way.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Then again had he stayed right while riding none of it would
> >>>> have happened.
> >>>
> >>> Quite right, but the question isn't whether the man was being ticketed but why he was shot AFTER saying that he was carrying a weapon. Why was he even ASKED that question? And being asked that question why didn't he say he had a meat cleaver. So WHY would he be such and the reporter not being in the least curious about it?
> >>>
> >>> One thing that is important is that the COP wasn't in danger at any time that I could see at the time he shot. And it appears that he instigated the interaction by ordering the man onto the sidewalk which isn't a legal place to ride a bike rather than tell him that he had to ride on the right side of the road. Simply doing that would have avoided all of that and a dead man as well.
> >>>
> >>> I am entirely for law and order, but not for cops who believe their office gives them the power of a king and the right to terminate the lives of people without a very good reason.
> >>>
> >> Standard LE practices.
> >>
> >> He asked the man to the sidewalk because conversation in the
> >> street is considered unsafe.
> >>
> >> A person with an edged weapon is considered a credible
> >> threat within a short distance (variously 15 feet to 21 feet):
> >>
> >> https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/new-knife-attack-decision-court-ponders-how-far-is-close-enough-to-be-an-immediate-threat-EVKm7zBreo2oKUmm/
> >>
> >> 'firearms training exercise conducted over 36 years ago by
> >> well-known trainer Dennis Tueller. Tueller found that “the
> >> average healthy adult male,†running with a knife or other
> >> contact weapon in hand, can cover a distance of seven yards
> >> in about 1.5 seconds – the time it takes the “averageâ€
> >> officer to draw a sidearm and place two hits center-mass on
> >> a man-size target 21 feet away.'
> >
> > This was in Riverside which has become absolutely infested with Hispanic gangs and a far different place from when I was at March Air Force Base in the late 60's
> >
> > Watching the interaction again, I still believe that the cop handled that very badly and the play acting reporter didn't delve into anything other than "Another Spic got his". Though considering what did go down the cop couldn't be held at fault. Is that good or bad? Is this going to be a go ahead for other such actions by Riverside cops?
> >
> Gang? Reporter? Neither in the video I linked.
>
> Typical PD policy (I have no special knowledge of Riverside)
> is to remove the officer from patrol during an inquiry and
> IMHO that inquiry will find he observed extant policy; no
> charges.

Perhaps you misunderstand me, I have NO idea that this guy was part of a Mexican gang. But Riverside is now absolutely rife with Mexican drug gangs. So the cops tend to treat all Mexicans as part of a gang. You heard that guy say that he was tired of being victimized by cops.

As the case unfolded the cop had plenty of reason to fire. My comment is that it didn't need to get to that point. And a man carrying a meat cleaver was FAR more likely to be a cook or a chef that to be a gang member. Second guessing? Yes, but after my experience with modern policing, I would say a pretty accurate guess.

On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 13:53:33 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 12/28/2022 1:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:06:29 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 12/28/2022 10:08 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 6:10:45 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/body-cam-video-shows-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting-in-riverside-county/
>>>> Why do you suppose that they didn't report what that man did for a living? Who would carry a meat cleaver other than a chef? And who would say that it was a dangerous weapon other than a chef? Normal people would never think of it that way.
>>>>
>>> Then again had he stayed right while riding none of it would
>>> have happened.
>>
>> Quite right, but the question isn't whether the man was being ticketed but why he was shot AFTER saying that he was carrying a weapon. Why was he even ASKED that question? And being asked that question why didn't he say he had a meat cleaver. So WHY would he be such and the reporter not being in the least curious about it?
>>
>> One thing that is important is that the COP wasn't in danger at any time that I could see at the time he shot. And it appears that he instigated the interaction by ordering the man onto the sidewalk which isn't a legal place to ride a bike rather than tell him that he had to ride on the right side of the road. Simply doing that would have avoided all of that and a dead man as well.
>>
>> I am entirely for law and order, but not for cops who believe their office gives them the power of a king and the right to terminate the lives of people without a very good reason.
>>
>
>Standard LE practices.
>
>He asked the man to the sidewalk because conversation in the
>street is considered unsafe.
>
>A person with an edged weapon is considered a credible
>threat within a short distance (variously 15 feet to 21 feet):
>
>https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/new-knife-attack-decision-court-ponders-how-far-is-close-enough-to-be-an-immediate-threat-EVKm7zBreo2oKUmm/
>
>'firearms training exercise conducted over 36 years ago by
>well-known trainer Dennis Tueller. Tueller found that “the
>average healthy adult male,” running with a knife or other
>contact weapon in hand, can cover a distance of seven yards
>in about 1.5 seconds – the time it takes the “average”
>officer to draw a sidearm and place two hits center-mass on
>a man-size target 21 feet away.'

I think it is a little more then just measurements. Imagine that you
work in an industry where one of your fellow workers is "murdered"
every 5 days, and I'm sure that most Police Officers know the
statistics.

It undoubtedly gives one a far different outlook toward people with
weapons than someone sitting in his living room watching you tube.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61218611
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 13:53:33 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 12/28/2022 1:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:06:29 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 12/28/2022 10:08 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 6:10:45 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/body-cam-video-shows-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting-in-riverside-county/
>>>> Why do you suppose that they didn't report what that man did for a living? Who would carry a meat cleaver other than a chef? And who would say that it was a dangerous weapon other than a chef? Normal people would never think of it that way.
>>>>
>>> Then again had he stayed right while riding none of it would
>>> have happened.
>>
>> Quite right, but the question isn't whether the man was being ticketed but why he was shot AFTER saying that he was carrying a weapon. Why was he even ASKED that question? And being asked that question why didn't he say he had a meat cleaver. So WHY would he be such and the reporter not being in the least curious about it?
>>
>> One thing that is important is that the COP wasn't in danger at any time that I could see at the time he shot. And it appears that he instigated the interaction by ordering the man onto the sidewalk which isn't a legal place to ride a bike rather than tell him that he had to ride on the right side of the road. Simply doing that would have avoided all of that and a dead man as well.
>>
>> I am entirely for law and order, but not for cops who believe their office gives them the power of a king and the right to terminate the lives of people without a very good reason.
>>
>
>Standard LE practices.
>
>He asked the man to the sidewalk because conversation in the
>street is considered unsafe.
>
>A person with an edged weapon is considered a credible
>threat within a short distance (variously 15 feet to 21 feet):
>
>https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/new-knife-attack-decision-court-ponders-how-far-is-close-enough-to-be-an-immediate-threat-EVKm7zBreo2oKUmm/
>
>'firearms training exercise conducted over 36 years ago by
>well-known trainer Dennis Tueller. Tueller found that “the
>average healthy adult male,” running with a knife or other
>contact weapon in hand, can cover a distance of seven yards
>in about 1.5 seconds – the time it takes the “average”
>officer to draw a sidearm and place two hits center-mass on
>a man-size target 21 feet away.'

Dangerous freaky people out there. That's why I carry a gun. Hope I
never need it, but it's so easy to be prepared.

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 5:14:49 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/28/2022 4:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 12/28/2022 1:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:06:29 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 12/28/2022 10:08 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 6:10:45 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/body-cam-video-shows-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting-in-riverside-county/
> >>>>> Why do you suppose that they didn't report what that man did for a living? Who would carry a meat cleaver other than a chef? And who would say that it was a dangerous weapon other than a chef? Normal people would never think of it that way.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Then again had he stayed right while riding none of it would
> >>>> have happened.
> >>>
> >>> Quite right, but the question isn't whether the man was being ticketed but why he was shot AFTER saying that he was carrying a weapon. Why was he even ASKED that question? And being asked that question why didn't he say he had a meat cleaver. So WHY would he be such and the reporter not being in the least curious about it?
> >>>
> >>> One thing that is important is that the COP wasn't in danger at any time that I could see at the time he shot. And it appears that he instigated the interaction by ordering the man onto the sidewalk which isn't a legal place to ride a bike rather than tell him that he had to ride on the right side of the road. Simply doing that would have avoided all of that and a dead man as well.
> >>>
> >>> I am entirely for law and order, but not for cops who believe their office gives them the power of a king and the right to terminate the lives of people without a very good reason.
> >>>
> >> Standard LE practices.
> >>
> >> He asked the man to the sidewalk because conversation in the
> >> street is considered unsafe.
> >>
> >> A person with an edged weapon is considered a credible
> >> threat within a short distance (variously 15 feet to 21 feet):
> >>
> >> https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/new-knife-attack-decision-court-ponders-how-far-is-close-enough-to-be-an-immediate-threat-EVKm7zBreo2oKUmm/
> >>
> >> 'firearms training exercise conducted over 36 years ago by
> >> well-known trainer Dennis Tueller. Tueller found that “the
> >> average healthy adult male,†running with a knife or other
> >> contact weapon in hand, can cover a distance of seven yards
> >> in about 1.5 seconds – the time it takes the “averageâ€
> >> officer to draw a sidearm and place two hits center-mass on
> >> a man-size target 21 feet away.'
> >
> > This was in Riverside which has become absolutely infested with Hispanic gangs and a far different place from when I was at March Air Force Base in the late 60's
> >
> > Watching the interaction again, I still believe that the cop handled that very badly and the play acting reporter didn't delve into anything other than "Another Spic got his". Though considering what did go down the cop couldn't be held at fault. Is that good or bad? Is this going to be a go ahead for other such actions by Riverside cops?
> >
> Gang? Reporter? Neither in the video I linked.

Interesting that tommy has now watched the video several times and it _still_ hasn't occurred to him that this was bodycam footage - no reporter present.

>
> Typical PD policy (I have no special knowledge of Riverside)
> is to remove the officer from patrol during an inquiry and
> IMHO that inquiry will find he observed extant policy; no
> charges.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 13:53:33 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>On 12/28/2022 1:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:06:29 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 12/28/2022 10:08 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 6:10:45 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/body-cam-video-shows-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting-in-riverside-county/
>>>>> Why do you suppose that they didn't report what that man did for
>>>>> a living? Who would carry a meat cleaver other than a chef? And
>>>>> who would say that it was a dangerous weapon other than a chef?
>>>>> Normal people would never think of it that way.
>>>>>
>>>> Then again had he stayed right while riding none of it would
>>>> have happened.
>>>
>>> Quite right, but the question isn't whether the man was being
>>> ticketed but why he was shot AFTER saying that he was carrying a
>>> weapon. Why was he even ASKED that question? And being asked that
>>> question why didn't he say he had a meat cleaver. So WHY would he
>>> be such and the reporter not being in the least curious about it?
>>>
>>> One thing that is important is that the COP wasn't in danger at any
>>> time that I could see at the time he shot. And it appears that he
>>> instigated the interaction by ordering the man onto the sidewalk
>>> which isn't a legal place to ride a bike rather than tell him that
>>> he had to ride on the right side of the road. Simply doing that
>>> would have avoided all of that and a dead man as well.
>>>
>>> I am entirely for law and order, but not for cops who believe their
>>> office gives them the power of a king and the right to terminate
>>> the lives of people without a very good reason.
>>>
>>
>>Standard LE practices.
>>
>>He asked the man to the sidewalk because conversation in the
>>street is considered unsafe.
>>
>>A person with an edged weapon is considered a credible
>>threat within a short distance (variously 15 feet to 21 feet):
>>
>>https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/new-knife-attack-decision-court-ponders-how-far-is-close-enough-to-be-an-immediate-threat-EVKm7zBreo2oKUmm/
>>
>>'firearms training exercise conducted over 36 years ago by
>>well-known trainer Dennis Tueller. Tueller found that “the
>>average healthy adult male,” running with a knife or other
>>contact weapon in hand, can cover a distance of seven yards
>>in about 1.5 seconds – the time it takes the “average”
>>officer to draw a sidearm and place two hits center-mass on
>>a man-size target 21 feet away.'
>
> I think it is a little more then just measurements. Imagine that you
> work in an industry where one of your fellow workers is "murdered"
> every 5 days, and I'm sure that most Police Officers know the
> statistics.
>
> It undoubtedly gives one a far different outlook toward people with
> weapons than someone sitting in his living room watching you tube.
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61218611

I don't know how the stats have changes since the rise of Uber and Lyft,
but taxi drivers used to have the highest occupational homicide rate,
more than twice that of police officers. That didn't mean that trigger
happy taxi drivers avoided charges.