Unbelievably fast...

And so practically silent doing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUB1z5wr5p8

fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 12.15.12 UTC+2 skrev DecadentLinux...@decadence.org:
> Unbelievably fast...
>
> And so practically silent doing it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUB1z5wr5p8

these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA

On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
>
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA

All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower. So, it's a question of
how large a plant you can fit under the hood.

<https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>

Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.

On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 6:38:08 AM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 12.15.12 UTC+2 skrev DecadentLinux...@decadence.org:
> > Unbelievably fast...
> >
> > And so practically silent doing it.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUB1z5wr5p8
> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
>
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA

I gave that some serious thought, but cars anything much over 20 years old are not such good cars in other ways, like the brakes and steering. Today a typical compact sedan is actually a good handling car (Hyundais aside) with great brakes and overall solid design. Take a car from the 70s or older and they are pretty much crap and most likely are falling apart unless they are babied.

If it weren't for that, I'd love to electrify a Karmann Ghia. Very retro even in its own time!

But I recall driving VWs which were probably some of the worst road cars ever made. Maybe the Ghia was a bit better though.

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fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 14.13.54 UTC+2 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 6:38:08 AM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> > fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 12.15.12 UTC+2 skrev DecadentLinux...@decadence.org:
> > > Unbelievably fast...
> > >
> > > And so practically silent doing it.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUB1z5wr5p8
> > these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
> > makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
> I gave that some serious thought, but cars anything much over 20 years old are not such good cars in other ways, like the brakes and steering. Today a typical compact sedan is actually a good handling car (Hyundais aside) with great brakes and overall solid design. Take a car from the 70s or older and they are pretty much crap and most likely are falling apart unless they are babied.
>
> If it weren't for that, I'd love to electrify a Karmann Ghia. Very retro even in its own time!
>

They actually did a Karmann Ghia part of the conversion was upgraded suspension and brakes
so a £30k project plus the car

fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 13.53.52 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> > these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
> > makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower. So, it's a question of
> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
>
> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
>
> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.

torque depends on gearing, acceleration depends on power

acceleration is adding kinetic energy, how fast you can do that
depends on how much power you have

On 8/20/2021 6:32 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 13.53.52 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
>> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
>>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
>> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower. So, it's a question of
>> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
>>
>> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
>>
>> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
>
> torque depends on gearing, acceleration depends on power
>
> acceleration is adding kinetic energy, how fast you can do that
> depends on how much power you have

Internal combustion engines have low torque at low speeds.
So, "off the block", they are "sluggish" when compared
to an electric vehicle (which can have their maximum torque
available "instantly").

You might get ~500 lb-ft of torque, off the blocks, in a
Tesla. And, about 500HP.

And, that's it.

You can get comparable torque from a 3l V6.

By contrast, a turbo 6.5l V8 will develop the approximate same
HP (~500HP) but twice the torque (1000 lb-ft) -- though only
once the engine is operating at the sweet spot (~2KRPM).

Tow a 10,000 (or 30,000!) pound trailer with your Tesla to see
how it fares...

fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 16.06.32 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
> On 8/20/2021 6:32 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> > fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 13.53.52 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
> >> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> >>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
> >>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
> >> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower. So, it's a question of
> >> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
> >>
> >> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
> >>
> >> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
> >
> > torque depends on gearing, acceleration depends on power
> >
> > acceleration is adding kinetic energy, how fast you can do that
> > depends on how much power you have
> Internal combustion engines have low torque at low speeds.
> So, "off the block", they are "sluggish" when compared
> to an electric vehicle (which can have their maximum torque
> available "instantly").
>
> You might get ~500 lb-ft of torque, off the blocks, in a
> Tesla. And, about 500HP.
>
> And, that's it.
>
> You can get comparable torque from a 3l V6.
>
> By contrast, a turbo 6.5l V8 will develop the approximate same
> HP (~500HP) but twice the torque (1000 lb-ft) -- though only
> once the engine is operating at the sweet spot (~2KRPM).

that's what the gear is for. same power twice the torque so half the rpm.
engine doesn't matter, wheel torque matters, which boils down to power
and the right gearing

>
> Tow a 10,000 (or 30,000!) pound trailer with your Tesla to see
> how it fares...

apart from rather quickly draining the battery just like the fueltank
in an ICE car it would do just fine

On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:32:09 AM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 13.53.52 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
> > On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> > > these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
> > > makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
> > All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower. So, it's a question of
> > how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
> >
> > <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
> >
> > Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
> torque depends on gearing, acceleration depends on power

That's a bit silly. Acceleration depends on force which is the torque at some radius (wheel size). The torque at the wheel depends on the motor torque and gearing. Power is just the force times the speed, so the same thing really. The only difference is while torque at the wheel depends on the gearing and wheel size, the power at the wheel does not. But the acceleration also depends on wheel size and gearing, so it seems like torque is a better reference.

> acceleration is adding kinetic energy, how fast you can do that
> depends on how much power you have

You do understand the math, right? Power = torque * RPM, so no real difference.

Consider this. If your torque is constant as you accelerate, the power will increase. The acceleration will be constant.

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On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 10:21:56 AM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 16.06.32 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
> > On 8/20/2021 6:32 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> > > fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 13.53.52 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
> > >> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> > >>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
> > >>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
> > >>>
> > >>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
> > >> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower. So, it's a question of
> > >> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
> > >>
> > >> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
> > >>
> > >> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
> > >
> > > torque depends on gearing, acceleration depends on power
> > >
> > > acceleration is adding kinetic energy, how fast you can do that
> > > depends on how much power you have
> > Internal combustion engines have low torque at low speeds.
> > So, "off the block", they are "sluggish" when compared
> > to an electric vehicle (which can have their maximum torque
> > available "instantly").
> >
> > You might get ~500 lb-ft of torque, off the blocks, in a
> > Tesla. And, about 500HP.
> >
> > And, that's it.
> >
> > You can get comparable torque from a 3l V6.
> >
> > By contrast, a turbo 6.5l V8 will develop the approximate same
> > HP (~500HP) but twice the torque (1000 lb-ft) -- though only
> > once the engine is operating at the sweet spot (~2KRPM).
> that's what the gear is for. same power twice the torque so half the rpm.
> engine doesn't matter, wheel torque matters, which boils down to power
> and the right gearing
> >
> > Tow a 10,000 (or 30,000!) pound trailer with your Tesla to see
> > how it fares...
> apart from rather quickly draining the battery just like the fueltank
> in an ICE car it would do just fine

At 5,500 lbs my Tesla model X can almost tow another X
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On 8/20/2021 7:21 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 16.06.32 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
>> On 8/20/2021 6:32 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>>> fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 13.53.52 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
>>>> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>>>>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
>>>>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
>>>> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower. So, it's a question of
>>>> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
>>>
>>> torque depends on gearing, acceleration depends on power
>>>
>>> acceleration is adding kinetic energy, how fast you can do that
>>> depends on how much power you have
>> Internal combustion engines have low torque at low speeds.
>> So, "off the block", they are "sluggish" when compared
>> to an electric vehicle (which can have their maximum torque
>> available "instantly").
>>
>> You might get ~500 lb-ft of torque, off the blocks, in a
>> Tesla. And, about 500HP.
>>
>> And, that's it.
>>
>> You can get comparable torque from a 3l V6.
>>
>> By contrast, a turbo 6.5l V8 will develop the approximate same
>> HP (~500HP) but twice the torque (1000 lb-ft) -- though only
>> once the engine is operating at the sweet spot (~2KRPM).
>
> that's what the gear is for. same power twice the torque so half the rpm.
> engine doesn't matter, wheel torque matters, which boils down to power
> and the right gearing

You're missing the point that torque varies with RPM (in an internal
combustion engine). At low RPMs, you have low torque at the crank.
(Likewise, HP varies with RPM)

In an electric vehicle, you have lots of torque even in a "stalled"
motor!

This is why internal combustion vehicles are so much more
"exciting" to drive; you can feel that "acceleration" pushing
you into your seat in your Dad's oldsmobile, from a stop.
But, to find that pressure *increasing* as your speed increases
is delightfully unexpected (you're going faster, faster!).

It's why blowers and N2O are such thrills; it's like sliding onto
a different performance curve *while* the curve you're on is
already maxed out.

In an EV, it's just one "curve" that you follow -- and it is far less
dependent on "speed".

>> Tow a 10,000 (or 30,000!) pound trailer with your Tesla to see
>> how it fares...
>
> apart from rather quickly draining the battery just like the fueltank
> in an ICE car it would do just fine

fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 16.22.06 UTC+2 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:32:09 AM UTC-4, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> > fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 13.53.52 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
> > > On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> > > > these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
> > > > makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
> > > All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower. So, it's a question of
> > > how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
> > >
> > > <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
> > >
> > > Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
> > torque depends on gearing, acceleration depends on power
> That's a bit silly. Acceleration depends on force which is the torque at some radius (wheel size). The torque at the wheel depends on the motor torque and gearing. Power is just the force times the speed, so the same thing really. The only difference is while torque at the wheel depends on the gearing and wheel size, the power at the wheel does not. But the acceleration also depends on wheel size and gearing, so it seems like torque is a better reference.

torque at the wheels, torque at the motor doesn't matter.
With a breaker bar I can easily make more torque than a tesla motor

> > acceleration is adding kinetic energy, how fast you can do that
> > depends on how much power you have
> You do understand the math, right? Power = torque * RPM, so no real difference.
>
> Consider this. If your torque is constant as you accelerate, the power will increase. The acceleration will be constant.

does a 100W heater that runs on 12V heat things faster than 100W heater that runs on 120V ?

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:53:28 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

>On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
>
>All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower.

It's far from linear. 1000 hp dragsters don't go 3000 MPH.

>So, it's a question of
>how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
>
><https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
>
>Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.

In short bursts, for people who enjoy alternate screaming acceleration
and violent braking.

--

Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still;
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.

fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 17.16.20 UTC+2 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:53:28 -0700, Don Y
> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> >> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
> >> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
> >
> >All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower.
> It's far from linear. 1000 hp dragsters don't go 3000 MPH.

power needed to overcome drag increases with the cube of speed

Topfuel dragsters are more like 10000hp and do ~330mph

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:53:28 -0700, Don Y
> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
>>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
>>
>> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower.
>
> It's far from linear. 1000 hp dragsters don't go 3000 MPH.
>
>
>> So, it's a question of
>> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
>>
>> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
>>
>> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
>
> In short bursts, for people who enjoy alternate screaming acceleration
> and violent braking.

And don't mind that all the exciting sound effects are coming from the
stereo. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 19.43.44 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:53:28 -0700, Don Y
> > <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> >>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
> >>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
> >>
> >> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower.
> >
> > It's far from linear. 1000 hp dragsters don't go 3000 MPH.
> >
> >
> >> So, it's a question of
> >> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
> >>
> >> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
> >>
> >> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
> >
> > In short bursts, for people who enjoy alternate screaming acceleration
> > and violent braking.
> And don't mind that all the exciting sound effects are coming from the
> stereo. ;)

yeh, compared to fire breathing monsters that makes the earth shake
and rattle your teeth this is extremely underwhelming

https://youtu.be/CH8QlpiBMDY

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 13:43:32 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:53:28 -0700, Don Y
>> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>>>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
>>>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
>>>
>>> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower.
>>
>> It's far from linear. 1000 hp dragsters don't go 3000 MPH.
>>
>>
>>> So, it's a question of
>>> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
>>>
>>> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
>>>
>>> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
>>
>> In short bursts, for people who enjoy alternate screaming acceleration
>> and violent braking.
>
>And don't mind that all the exciting sound effects are coming from the
>stereo. ;)

In my case, from the female passenger.

--

Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still;
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 10:49:11 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 19.43.44 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
>> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:53:28 -0700, Don Y
>> > <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>> >>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
>> >>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
>> >>
>> >> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower.
>> >
>> > It's far from linear. 1000 hp dragsters don't go 3000 MPH.
>> >
>> >
>> >> So, it's a question of
>> >> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
>> >>
>> >> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
>> >>
>> >> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
>> >
>> > In short bursts, for people who enjoy alternate screaming acceleration
>> > and violent braking.
>> And don't mind that all the exciting sound effects are coming from the
>> stereo. ;)
>
>yeh, compared to fire breathing monsters that makes the earth shake
>and rattle your teeth this is extremely underwhelming
>
>https://youtu.be/CH8QlpiBMDY
>
>

What a weird thing for people to do.

--

Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still;
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 10:49:11 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
> <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
>
>> fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 19.43.44 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
>>> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:53:28 -0700, Don Y
>>>> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>>>>>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
>>>>>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
>>>>>
>>>>> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower.
>>>>
>>>> It's far from linear. 1000 hp dragsters don't go 3000 MPH.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So, it's a question of
>>>>> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
>>>>
>>>> In short bursts, for people who enjoy alternate screaming acceleration
>>>> and violent braking.
>>> And don't mind that all the exciting sound effects are coming from the
>>> stereo. ;)
>>
>> yeh, compared to fire breathing monsters that makes the earth shake
>> and rattle your teeth this is extremely underwhelming
>>
>> https://youtu.be/CH8QlpiBMDY
>>
>>
>
> What a weird thing for people to do.
>
>
>
Yeah, completely underwhelming. 200 MPH? Top fuel cars routinely do 3.7
second, 330 MPH quarter miles.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Ybyq6osNY>

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(More of a sports car guy than a drag racing fan)

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 5:15:12 AM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Unbelievably fast...
>
> And so practically silent doing it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUB1z5wr5p8

That takes a lot of the fun out of it. Revving a V8 at a stop light with just enough muffler
to be legal is a good part of the fun. Boxers and rasslers talking smack before a fight is too.
The noise at a tractor pull tells spectators the driver is giving it all.

fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 20.07.10 UTC+2 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 10:49:11 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
> <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
>
> >fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 19.43.44 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
> >> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:53:28 -0700, Don Y
> >> > <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> >> >>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
> >> >>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
> >> >>
> >> >> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower.
> >> >
> >> > It's far from linear. 1000 hp dragsters don't go 3000 MPH.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> So, it's a question of
> >> >> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
> >> >>
> >> >> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
> >> >>
> >> >> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
> >> >
> >> > In short bursts, for people who enjoy alternate screaming acceleration
> >> > and violent braking.
> >> And don't mind that all the exciting sound effects are coming from the
> >> stereo. ;)
> >
> >yeh, compared to fire breathing monsters that makes the earth shake
> >and rattle your teeth this is extremely underwhelming
> >
> >https://youtu.be/CH8QlpiBMDY
> >
> >
> What a weird thing for people to do.

why weird? it's a competition, in this case engineers showing that they
can build something faster than other engineers

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 13:43:32 -0400, Phil Hobbs
> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>
>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:53:28 -0700, Don Y
>>> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>>>>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
>>>>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
>>>>
>>>> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower.
>>>
>>> It's far from linear. 1000 hp dragsters don't go 3000 MPH.
>>>
>>>
>>>> So, it's a question of
>>>> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
>>>
>>> In short bursts, for people who enjoy alternate screaming acceleration
>>> and violent braking.
>>
>> And don't mind that all the exciting sound effects are coming from the
>> stereo. ;)
>
> In my case, from the female passenger.
>
>
>

"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming
like the passengers in his car." ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 11:25:44 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 20.07.10 UTC+2 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 10:49:11 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
>> <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
>>
>> >fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 19.43.44 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
>> >> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> >> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:53:28 -0700, Don Y
>> >> > <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>> >> >>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
>> >> >>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
>> >> >>
>> >> >> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's far from linear. 1000 hp dragsters don't go 3000 MPH.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> So, it's a question of
>> >> >> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
>> >> >
>> >> > In short bursts, for people who enjoy alternate screaming acceleration
>> >> > and violent braking.
>> >> And don't mind that all the exciting sound effects are coming from the
>> >> stereo. ;)
>> >
>> >yeh, compared to fire breathing monsters that makes the earth shake
>> >and rattle your teeth this is extremely underwhelming
>> >
>> >https://youtu.be/CH8QlpiBMDY
>> >
>> >
>> What a weird thing for people to do.
>
>why weird? it's a competition, in this case engineers showing that they
>can build something faster than other engineers

But useless and expensive.

--

Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still;
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.

Dean Hoffman wrote:
> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 5:15:12 AM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
>> Unbelievably fast...
>>
>> And so practically silent doing it.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUB1z5wr5p8
>
> That takes a lot of the fun out of it. Revving a V8 at a stop light with just enough muffler
> to be legal is a good part of the fun. Boxers and rasslers talking smack before a fight is too.
> The noise at a tractor pull tells spectators the driver is giving it all.

Like, all of the fun. Formula E racing is a consistent money-loser
because it's so boring.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 20.23.40 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 10:49:11 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
> > <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
> >
> >> fredag den 20. august 2021 kl. 19.43.44 UTC+2 skrev Phil Hobbs:
> >>> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:53:28 -0700, Don Y
> >>>> <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 8/20/2021 3:38 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> >>>>>> these guy electrify old classic cars, sometimes using a tesla drivetrain
> >>>>>> makes them much more useful as daily drivers and often triple the power from original
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq1Oqk1I7zeYlDiJTFWLoFA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All else being equal, (top) speed = horsepower.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's far from linear. 1000 hp dragsters don't go 3000 MPH.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> So, it's a question of
> >>>>> how large a plant you can fit under the hood.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <https://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where electrics shine is on torque/acceleration.
> >>>>
> >>>> In short bursts, for people who enjoy alternate screaming acceleration
> >>>> and violent braking.
> >>> And don't mind that all the exciting sound effects are coming from the
> >>> stereo. ;)
> >>
> >> yeh, compared to fire breathing monsters that makes the earth shake
> >> and rattle your teeth this is extremely underwhelming
> >>
> >> https://youtu.be/CH8QlpiBMDY
> >>
> >>
> >
> > What a weird thing for people to do.
> >
> >
> >
> Yeah, completely underwhelming. 200 MPH? Top fuel cars routinely do 3.7
> second, 330 MPH quarter miles.

yeh, but they also have about twice as much power

must be heavy, there a front wheel drive cars that are just as fast

https://youtu.be/oZtiXN9TSSc

>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Ybyq6osNY>
>

I've not yet seen a topfuel live but I've seen tractor pulling with tractors
running five 550cui blown V8s, that's quite the experinece

>
> (More of a sports car guy than a drag racing fan)

ditto, rebuilding an engine every time it's 1000 revolutions sounds a bit silly
I'll be close to a TV all weekend for the greatest motorsport race
of them all, the 24h of Le Mans