Rocksolid Light

Welcome to novaBBS (click a section below)

mail  files  register  newsreader  groups  login

Message-ID:  

"Any excuse will serve a tyrant." -- Aesop


tech / sci.physics.relativity / Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian Malignancy

SubjectAuthor
* The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian MalignancyPentcho Valev
+* Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian MalignancyPentcho Valev
|+- Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian MalignancyErnesto Gaddy
|`* Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian MalignancyJanPB
| `- Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian MalignancyEldrick Fucci
`- Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian MalignancyJanPB

1
The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian Malignancy

<bed97657-abc6-48d0-8220-9d9e8d3fc1c1n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=71647&group=sci.physics.relativity#71647

  copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7f4f:: with SMTP id g15mr6705882qtk.309.1636804505750;
Sat, 13 Nov 2021 03:55:05 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1901:: with SMTP id w1mr23318211qtc.134.1636804505629;
Sat, 13 Nov 2021 03:55:05 -0800 (PST)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 03:55:05 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=93.8.79.107; posting-account=Lz-LbgoAAABPDavKeW-eYeobwLHD_cvQ
NNTP-Posting-Host: 93.8.79.107
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <bed97657-abc6-48d0-8220-9d9e8d3fc1c1n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian Malignancy
From: pva...@yahoo.com (Pentcho Valev)
Injection-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 11:55:05 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 by: Pentcho Valev - Sat, 13 Nov 2021 11:55 UTC

Scientists are mesmerized by the floating water bridge

https://youtube.com/watch?v=U7PeezOzprE

but try not to think of the violent water flows

https://youtube.com/watch?v=17UD1goTFhQ

which can convert ambient heat (no other usable source of energy) into work, e.g. by rotating waterwheels, in violation of the second law of thermodynamics.

Water in an electric field automatically becomes a perpetual-motion machine of the second kind - this particular violation of the second law was noticed and immediately forgotten in 2002:

"A deviation from the second law of thermodynamics has been demonstrated experimentally for the first time. [...] To test the idea, the researchers put about 100 latex beads - each 6.3 µm across - into a WATER-FILLED CELL, which was placed on the stage of a microscope. The researchers focused a laser onto one of the beads, which induced a dipole moment in the bead and drew it towards the most intense region of the ELECTRIC FIELD in the laser beam." http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2002/jul/16/small-systems-defy-second-law

Nature: "Second law broken. Researchers have shown for the first time that, on the level of thousands of atoms and molecules, fleeting energy increases violate the second law of thermodynamics. [...] They found that over periods of time less than two seconds, variations in the random thermal motion of water molecules occasionally gave individual beads a kick. This increased the beads' kinetic energy by a small but significant amount, in apparent violation of the second law." http://www.nature.com/news/2002/020722/full/news020722-2.html

Scientific American: "Second Law of Thermodynamics Violated. [...] ...the water molecules interacted with the bead in such a way that energy was transferred from the liquid to the bead. These additional kicks used the random thermal motion of the water to do the work of moving the bead, in effect yielding something for nothing. For periods of movement lasting less than two seconds, the bead was almost as likely to gain energy from the water as it was to add energy to the reservoir, the investigators say." https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/second-law-of-thermodynam/

George Orwell: "Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity."

See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

Pentcho Valev

Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian Malignancy

<7bb4d950-5904-470b-bd5c-95b2398f65b0n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=71666&group=sci.physics.relativity#71666

  copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:4111:: with SMTP id q17mr26854762qtl.407.1636832840684;
Sat, 13 Nov 2021 11:47:20 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 2002:a37:dc6:: with SMTP id 189mr20077758qkn.58.1636832840535;
Sat, 13 Nov 2021 11:47:20 -0800 (PST)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 11:47:20 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <bed97657-abc6-48d0-8220-9d9e8d3fc1c1n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=93.8.79.107; posting-account=Lz-LbgoAAABPDavKeW-eYeobwLHD_cvQ
NNTP-Posting-Host: 93.8.79.107
References: <bed97657-abc6-48d0-8220-9d9e8d3fc1c1n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <7bb4d950-5904-470b-bd5c-95b2398f65b0n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian Malignancy
From: pva...@yahoo.com (Pentcho Valev)
Injection-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:47:20 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 by: Pentcho Valev - Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:47 UTC

The metastases of Einstein's 1905 constant-speed-of-light malignancy definitively killed physics, but this branch of science was already in agony in 1905, overwhelmed by the metastases of another malignancy: the second law of thermodynamics. An instructive review here: http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/313/1/engtot.pdf

Clifford Truesdell, The Tragicomical History of Thermodynamics, 1822-1854, p. 6: "Finally, I confess to a heartfelt hope - very slender but tough - that even some thermodynamicists of the old tribe will study this book, master the contents, and so share in my discovery: Thermodynamics need never have been the DISMAL SWAMP OF OBSCURITY that from the first it was and that today in common instruction it is; in consequence, it need not so remain." [....] p. 333: "Clausius' verbal statement of the "Second Law" makes no sense, for "some other change connected therewith" introduces two new and unexplained concepts: "other change" and "connection" of changes. Neither of these finds any place in Clausius' formal structure. All that remains is a Mosaic prohibition. A century of philosophers and journalists have acclaimed this commandment; a century of mathematicians have shuddered and averted their eyes from the unclean." https://www.amazon.com/Tragicomical-Thermodynamics-1822-1854-Mathematics-Physical/dp/1461394465

Jos Uffink, Bluff your way in the Second Law of Thermodynamics: "I therefore argue for the view that THE SECOND LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARROW OF TIME. [...] Before one can claim that acquaintance with the Second Law is as indispensable to a cultural education as Macbeth or Hamlet, it should obviously be clear what this law states. This question is surprisingly difficult. The Second Law made its appearance in physics around 1850, but a half century later it was already surrounded by so much confusion that the British Association for the Advancement of Science decided to appoint a special committee with the task of providing clarity about the meaning of this law.. However, its final report (Bryan 1891) did not settle the issue. Half a century later, the physicist/philosopher Bridgman still complained that there are almost as many formulations of the second law as there have been discussions of it. And EVEN TODAY, THE SECOND LAW REMAINS SO OBSCURE that it continues to attract new efforts at clarification." http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/313/1/engtot.pdf

More here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

Pentcho Valev

Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian Malignancy

<smp5br$1b5p$3@gioia.aioe.org>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=71670&group=sci.physics.relativity#71670

  copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!Lenw9N2TgqlbGNOh+3DBoA.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: err...@ererg.er (Ernesto Gaddy)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian Malignancy
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:57:47 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <smp5br$1b5p$3@gioia.aioe.org>
References: <bed97657-abc6-48d0-8220-9d9e8d3fc1c1n@googlegroups.com>
<7bb4d950-5904-470b-bd5c-95b2398f65b0n@googlegroups.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="44217"; posting-host="Lenw9N2TgqlbGNOh+3DBoA.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/78.10.2
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
 by: Ernesto Gaddy - Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:57 UTC

Pentcho Valev wrote:

> The metastases of Einstein's 1905 constant-speed-of-light malignancy
> definitively killed physics, but this branch of science was already in
> agony in 1905, overwhelmed by the metastases of another malignancy: the
> second law of thermodynamics. An instructive review here:
> http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/313/1/engtot.pdf

so true. There was no any SR in 1905. His roy masters came along and
changed his paper, even with equation "borrowed" etc. You are asking why
no protest? You see right now protests won't work. Protest never work.
Cheating and power works.

Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian Malignancy

<d1565840-367d-406b-941a-154ad554abd1n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=71682&group=sci.physics.relativity#71682

  copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:1342:: with SMTP id c2mr22185932qkl.497.1636862238708;
Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:57:18 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:14d2:: with SMTP id u18mr16367727qtx.219.1636862238335;
Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:57:18 -0800 (PST)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:57:18 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <bed97657-abc6-48d0-8220-9d9e8d3fc1c1n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2600:1700:ae30:d050:cbc:fd9b:945b:80e9;
posting-account=Y2v6DQoAAACGpOrX04JGhSdsTevCdArN
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2600:1700:ae30:d050:cbc:fd9b:945b:80e9
References: <bed97657-abc6-48d0-8220-9d9e8d3fc1c1n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <d1565840-367d-406b-941a-154ad554abd1n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian Malignancy
From: film...@gmail.com (JanPB)
Injection-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 03:57:18 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lines: 59
 by: JanPB - Sun, 14 Nov 2021 03:57 UTC

On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 3:55:07 AM UTC-8, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> Scientists are mesmerized by the floating water bridge
>
> https://youtube.com/watch?v=U7PeezOzprE
>
> but try not to think of the violent water flows
>
> https://youtube.com/watch?v=17UD1goTFhQ
>
> which can convert ambient heat (no other usable source of energy) into work, e.g. by rotating waterwheels, in violation of the second law of thermodynamics.
>
> Water in an electric field automatically becomes a perpetual-motion machine of the second kind - this particular violation of the second law was noticed and immediately forgotten in 2002:
>
> "A deviation from the second law of thermodynamics has been demonstrated experimentally for the first time. [...] To test the idea, the researchers put about 100 latex beads - each 6.3 µm across - into a WATER-FILLED CELL, which was placed on the stage of a microscope. The researchers focused a laser onto one of the beads, which induced a dipole moment in the bead and drew it towards the most intense region of the ELECTRIC FIELD in the laser beam." http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2002/jul/16/small-systems-defy-second-law
>
> Nature: "Second law broken. Researchers have shown for the first time that, on the level of thousands of atoms and molecules, fleeting energy increases violate the second law of thermodynamics. [...] They found that over periods of time less than two seconds, variations in the random thermal motion of water molecules occasionally gave individual beads a kick. This increased the beads' kinetic energy by a small but significant amount, in apparent violation of the second law." http://www.nature.com/news/2002/020722/full/news020722-2.html
>
> Scientific American: "Second Law of Thermodynamics Violated. [...] ...the water molecules interacted with the bead in such a way that energy was transferred from the liquid to the bead. These additional kicks used the random thermal motion of the water to do the work of moving the bead, in effect yielding something for nothing. For periods of movement lasting less than two seconds, the bead was almost as likely to gain energy from the water as it was to add energy to the reservoir, the investigators say." https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/second-law-of-thermodynam/
>
> George Orwell: "Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.."
>
> See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
>
> Pentcho Valev

Gobbledygook.

--
Jan

Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian Malignancy

<16637bcc-fcdf-4210-b1e1-98a4edda48aen@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=71683&group=sci.physics.relativity#71683

  copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:346:: with SMTP id r6mr29247620qtw.185.1636862265720;
Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:57:45 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5b86:: with SMTP id 6mr26298320qvp.25.1636862265399;
Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:57:45 -0800 (PST)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:57:45 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <7bb4d950-5904-470b-bd5c-95b2398f65b0n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2600:1700:ae30:d050:cbc:fd9b:945b:80e9;
posting-account=Y2v6DQoAAACGpOrX04JGhSdsTevCdArN
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2600:1700:ae30:d050:cbc:fd9b:945b:80e9
References: <bed97657-abc6-48d0-8220-9d9e8d3fc1c1n@googlegroups.com> <7bb4d950-5904-470b-bd5c-95b2398f65b0n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <16637bcc-fcdf-4210-b1e1-98a4edda48aen@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian Malignancy
From: film...@gmail.com (JanPB)
Injection-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 03:57:45 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lines: 45
 by: JanPB - Sun, 14 Nov 2021 03:57 UTC

On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 11:47:21 AM UTC-8, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> The metastases of Einstein's 1905 constant-speed-of-light malignancy definitively killed physics, but this branch of science was already in agony in 1905, overwhelmed by the metastases of another malignancy: the second law of thermodynamics. An instructive review here: http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/313/1/engtot.pdf
>
> Clifford Truesdell, The Tragicomical History of Thermodynamics, 1822-1854, p. 6: "Finally, I confess to a heartfelt hope - very slender but tough - that even some thermodynamicists of the old tribe will study this book, master the contents, and so share in my discovery: Thermodynamics need never have been the DISMAL SWAMP OF OBSCURITY that from the first it was and that today in common instruction it is; in consequence, it need not so remain." [...] p. 333: "Clausius' verbal statement of the "Second Law" makes no sense, for "some other change connected therewith" introduces two new and unexplained concepts: "other change" and "connection" of changes. Neither of these finds any place in Clausius' formal structure. All that remains is a Mosaic prohibition. A century of philosophers and journalists have acclaimed this commandment; a century of mathematicians have shuddered and averted their eyes from the unclean." https://www.amazon.com/Tragicomical-Thermodynamics-1822-1854-Mathematics-Physical/dp/1461394465
>
> Jos Uffink, Bluff your way in the Second Law of Thermodynamics: "I therefore argue for the view that THE SECOND LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARROW OF TIME. [...] Before one can claim that acquaintance with the Second Law is as indispensable to a cultural education as Macbeth or Hamlet, it should obviously be clear what this law states. This question is surprisingly difficult. The Second Law made its appearance in physics around 1850, but a half century later it was already surrounded by so much confusion that the British Association for the Advancement of Science decided to appoint a special committee with the task of providing clarity about the meaning of this law. However, its final report (Bryan 1891) did not settle the issue. Half a century later, the physicist/philosopher Bridgman still complained that there are almost as many formulations of the second law as there have been discussions of it. And EVEN TODAY, THE SECOND LAW REMAINS SO OBSCURE that it continues to attract new efforts at clarification." http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/313/1/engtot.pdf
>
> More here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
>
> Pentcho Valev

Gobbledygook.

--
Jan

Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian Malignancy

<smr4k4$1unf$5@gioia.aioe.org>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=71691&group=sci.physics.relativity#71691

  copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!Lenw9N2TgqlbGNOh+3DBoA.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: ert...@acv.we (Eldrick Fucci)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: The Second Law of Thermodynamics: Pre-Einsteinian Malignancy
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:57:25 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <smr4k4$1unf$5@gioia.aioe.org>
References: <bed97657-abc6-48d0-8220-9d9e8d3fc1c1n@googlegroups.com>
<7bb4d950-5904-470b-bd5c-95b2398f65b0n@googlegroups.com>
<16637bcc-fcdf-4210-b1e1-98a4edda48aen@googlegroups.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="64239"; posting-host="Lenw9N2TgqlbGNOh+3DBoA.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/78.10.2
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
 by: Eldrick Fucci - Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:57 UTC

JanPB wrote:

>> it. And EVEN TODAY, THE SECOND LAW REMAINS SO OBSCURE that it continues
>> to attract new efforts at clarification."
>> http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/313/1/engtot.pdf
>> More here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev Pentcho Valev
>
> Gobbledygook.

or you don't understand. Explain me how UFOs from other planets, at high
speeds, change their direction at 90 degrees without smashing the
inhabitants to pices.

1
server_pubkey.txt

rocksolid light 0.9.8
clearnet tor