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* Mercury orbit swivelling forevermitchr...@gmail.com
`* Re: Mercury orbit swivelling foreverRaleigh Hobbs
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  `* Re: Mercury orbit swivelling foreverWeslee Dubey
   `* Re: Mercury orbit swivelling foreverRichard Hertz
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    +- Re: Mercury orbit swivelling foreverPaul Alsing
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    |+- Utter crank Richard Hertz goes off the deep endDono.
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    |  `* Crank Richard Hertz inserts both fet in his mouthDono.
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    |        |`- Re: Crank Richard Hertz inserts both fet in his mouth and keepsmitchr...@gmail.com
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    `- Re: Mercury orbit swivelling foreverWade Earl

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Mercury orbit swivelling forever

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precession gives Mercury orbit a new orientation in the
Solar system... in the future...

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 by: Raleigh Hobbs - Sun, 14 Nov 2021 21:00 UTC

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

> precession gives Mercury orbit a new orientation in the Solar system...
> in the future...

Mercury is used to tap energy from sun. Periodically.

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On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 1:00:02 PM UTC-8, Raleigh Hobbs wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > precession gives Mercury orbit a new orientation in the Solar system...
> > in the future...
> Mercury is used to tap energy from sun. Periodically.

We have no solar on Mercury...
Where did you get that?

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 by: Weslee Dubey - Mon, 15 Nov 2021 19:51 UTC

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 1:00:02 PM UTC-8, Raleigh Hobbs wrote:
>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > precession gives Mercury orbit a new orientation in the Solar
>> > system...
>> > in the future...
>> Mercury is used to tap energy from sun. Periodically.
>
> We have no solar on Mercury... Where did you get that?

When Mercury passes the dark side of the sun, it descend closes and taps
energy. Plasma.

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Inside the liquid Sun, there is a blob of matter that follows Mercury's orbit.

The Vulcan planet is INSIDE THE SUN, and its mutual perturbation with Mercury causes the 43" of arc/century perihelion advance.

Only one person, a Russian national, modeled such thing 25 years ago. His job was BURIED, and only can be found
on the "deep Internet".

The poor physicist made USELESS the entire GR with a 14 pages paper.

Such thing couldn't be allowed by establishment. What would follow next? SR?

Shitty world.

Crank Richard Hertz goes off the rails

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On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 3:23:13 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz went off the rails:
> Inside the liquid Sun, there is a blob of matter that follows Mercury's orbit.
>
> The Vulcan planet is INSIDE THE SUN, and its mutual perturbation with Mercury causes the 43" of arc/century perihelion advance.
>
LOL, you have gone completely nuts. Keep up the entertainment, clown!

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On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 3:23:13 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:

> The Vulcan planet is INSIDE THE SUN, and its mutual perturbation with Mercury causes the 43" of arc/century perihelion advance.

Put down the bong, Richard, it only helps to make you look completely stupid!

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On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:23:13 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> Inside the liquid Sun, there is a blob of matter that follows Mercury's orbit.
>
> The Vulcan planet is INSIDE THE SUN, and its mutual perturbation with Mercury causes the 43" of arc/century perihelion advance.
>
> Only one person, a Russian national, modeled such thing 25 years ago. His job was BURIED, and only can be found
> on the "deep Internet".
>
> The poor physicist made USELESS the entire GR with a 14 pages paper.
>
> Such thing couldn't be allowed by establishment. What would follow next? SR?
>
> Shitty world.

Sun rotation period Ts ≈ 27 days
Mercury rotation period Tm ≈ 88 days ≈ 3.259 Ts

Mercury and an arbitrary reference point on Sun's equator radially meet EXACTLY every 81 days, or every 3 x Ts.

Mercury perihelion has advanced 4.0712E-05 radians in such exact period.

The Sun is liquid, and the drag on his uneven composition may cause a blob of Sun's matter almost at its border, within the Sun.

With a radius of 696340 km and a mass of 1.989E30 kg, it would only require a blob of matter with 0.00000016 x Sun mass, rotating
3 TIMES SLOWER than the Sun to match the period of Mercury's orbit.

Such "virtual planet" within the Sun (a blob within a liquid sphere) would explain what Le Verrier calculated as Vulcan planet, orbiting
between the Sun and Mercury, during 1847. His exact model with more than 100 equations up the 7th. order and 400 parameters is
still considered invaluable today.

But, as he was French and UK-Germany-most of Europe HATED French people because of Napoleon, he was IGNORED.

A Russian physicist updated his model with more accurate data, 25 years ago, and postulated the existence of such BLOB under
the surface of the non-homogeneous Sun, and his calculations DID FIT with the MISSING 43" of arc/cy addition to the perturbation
of the rest of planets.

A virtual planet, a virtual photon. Which is the fucking difference besides the fact that the paper KILLED General Relativity.

It didn't prosper, of course. First a French and now a Russian? NATO establishment went nuts by 1995.

P.S.: It can't be disproved, as such tiny difference CAN'T be measured by humans. Also, it KILLS a lot of astrophysics in the way.

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On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:35:06 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:

> P.S.: It can't be disproved, as such tiny difference CAN'T be measured by humans. Also, it KILLS a lot of astrophysics in the way.

P.S. : It can't be proven, either...

Utter crank Richard Hertz goes off the deep end

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 by: Dono. - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 07:16 UTC

On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:35:06 PM UTC-8, utter crank Richard Hertz went off the deep end:

> A virtual planet, a virtual photon. Which is the fucking difference besides the fact that the paper KILLED General Relativity.
>
> It didn't prosper, of course. First a French and now a Russian? NATO establishment went nuts by 1995.
>
It is refreshing to see that your insanity is progressing. Ratcheting up!

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 by: Richard Hertz - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 14:56 UTC

On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:26:55 AM UTC-3, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:35:06 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> > P.S.: It can't be disproved, as such tiny difference CAN'T be measured by humans. Also, it KILLS a lot of astrophysics in the way.
> P.S. : It can't be proven, either...

Maxwell could have proven it, theoretically, and in a simple elegant way, as true geniuses do.

Remember Saturn's rings problem? (1860). He solved every one of the three proposals of the challenge, which made him famous at
an early age. And he was not an astronomer....

He did it for FUN, not like the fucker. Just for fun, because he was attracted to solve challenges with his prodigious mathematical
abilities, the same that allowed him to prove color blindness, the vision of humans and dogs (he loved them, and this tell a lot), the
same FORMULAE for color composition 80 years before TV color and computers, how opticians could make adjustments to glasses,
the first color photo 60 years before it came a reality, the entire science of electromagnetism, electricity and magnetism, the first
application of statistical behavior of ideal gasses under temperature influence (the forefather theoretical basis for Wien, Planck,
Boltzmann, Gibbs, ...), the first use at large of four dimensional quaternions (forefather of tensors), .......

Maxwell, the 2nd. greatest scientific mind in history after Newton, but ranking first in human qualities. What could have happened if
such a visionary genius had lived 20 more years?

He would say: relativity what?. Be practical and have common sense.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 15:19 UTC

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:26:55 AM UTC-3, Paul Alsing wrote:
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:35:06 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>
>>> P.S.: It can't be disproved, as such tiny difference CAN'T be measured
>>> by humans. Also, it KILLS a lot of astrophysics in the way.
>> P.S. : It can't be proven, either...
>
> Maxwell could have proven it, theoretically, and in a simple elegant way,
> as true geniuses do.

Ah, so this is your deity, and you have faith in the omnipotence even
though it’s not something he actually accomplished.

>
> Remember Saturn's rings problem? (1860). He solved every one of the three
> proposals of the challenge, which made him famous at
> an early age. And he was not an astronomer....
>
> He did it for FUN, not like the fucker. Just for fun, because he was
> attracted to solve challenges with his prodigious mathematical
> abilities, the same that allowed him to prove color blindness, the vision
> of humans and dogs (he loved them, and this tell a lot), the
> same FORMULAE for color composition 80 years before TV color and
> computers, how opticians could make adjustments to glasses,
> the first color photo 60 years before it came a reality, the entire
> science of electromagnetism, electricity and magnetism, the first
> application of statistical behavior of ideal gasses under temperature
> influence (the forefather theoretical basis for Wien, Planck,
> Boltzmann, Gibbs, ...), the first use at large of four dimensional
> quaternions (forefather of tensors), .......
>
> Maxwell, the 2nd. greatest scientific mind in history after Newton, but
> ranking first in human qualities. What could have happened if
> such a visionary genius had lived 20 more years?
>
> He would say: relativity what?. Be practical and have common sense.
>
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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 by: Wade Earl - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 15:30 UTC

Richard Hertz wrote:

> Inside the liquid Sun, there is a blob of matter that follows Mercury's
> orbit.
> The Vulcan planet is INSIDE THE SUN, and its mutual perturbation with
> Mercury causes the 43" of arc/century perihelion advance.
> Only one person, a Russian national, modeled such thing 25 years ago.
> His job was BURIED, and only can be found on the "deep Internet".
> The poor physicist made USELESS the entire GR with a 14 pages paper.
> Such thing couldn't be allowed by establishment. What would follow next?
> SR? Shitty world.

very valid point. Plasma infact is like liquid with certain
characteristics. And the planet inside, yes, it must be solid, floating.

Please don't expect the relativists understand any of it.

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 by: Michael Moroney - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 15:54 UTC

On 11/16/2021 9:56 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:26:55 AM UTC-3, Paul Alsing wrote:
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:35:06 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>
>>> P.S.: It can't be disproved, as such tiny difference CAN'T be measured by humans. Also, it KILLS a lot of astrophysics in the way.
>> P.S. : It can't be proven, either...
>
> Maxwell could have proven it, theoretically, and in a simple elegant way, as true geniuses do.

Ahh, so this scientist is your hero. Maybe your real problem is that you
imagine that people worship the wrong hero?

> Maxwell, the 2nd. greatest scientific mind in history after Newton, but ranking first in human qualities. What could have happened if
> such a visionary genius had lived 20 more years?
>
> He would say: relativity what?. Be practical and have common sense.

I think he had a good chance of discovering SR before Einstein. He
already figured out a physical relation which produces the speed of
light being c. And, this is important, he realized it produces a
constant speed of c regardless of the motions of anything.

It's much like an alternate reality gedanken, what if Einstein had never
lived? Stuff like SR/GR/the photoelectric effect would still be
discovered, maybe 10 years later than they actually were. What if
Maxwell had lived a fuller life? Maybe that brilliant scientist would
have discovered SR a decade before Einstein!

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 by: Dirk Van de moortel - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 16:09 UTC

Op 16-nov.-2021 om 16:54 schreef Michael Moroney:
> On 11/16/2021 9:56 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:26:55 AM UTC-3, Paul Alsing wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:35:06 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> P.S.: It can't be disproved, as such tiny difference CAN'T be
>>>> measured by humans. Also, it KILLS a lot of astrophysics in the way.
>>> P.S. : It can't be proven, either...
>>
>> Maxwell could have proven it, theoretically, and in a simple elegant
>> way, as true geniuses do.
>
> Ahh, so this scientist is your hero. Maybe your real problem is that you
> imagine that people worship the wrong hero?
>
>> Maxwell, the 2nd. greatest scientific mind in history after Newton,
>> but ranking first in human qualities. What could have happened if
>> such a visionary genius had lived 20 more years?
>>
>> He would say: relativity what?. Be practical and have common sense.
>
> I think he had a good chance of discovering SR before Einstein. He
> already figured out a physical relation which produces the speed of
> light being c.  And, this is important, he realized it produces a
> constant speed of c regardless of the motions of anything.
>
> It's much like an alternate reality gedanken, what if Einstein had never
> lived?  Stuff like SR/GR/the photoelectric effect would still be
> discovered, maybe 10 years later than they actually were.  What if
> Maxwell had lived a fuller life?  Maybe that brilliant scientist would
> have discovered SR a decade before Einstein!

NONONONO!
He would have COVERED it under a thick blanket of secrecy
and shame.
He would have said... let's hide this! Future generations
of EE's will go berzerk and NEVER find a way to reconcile
this with their common sense!

Dirk Vdm

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 by: Richard Hertz - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 17:02 UTC

On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 1:35:06 AM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:23:13 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > Inside the liquid Sun, there is a blob of matter that follows Mercury's orbit.
> >
> > The Vulcan planet is INSIDE THE SUN, and its mutual perturbation with Mercury causes the 43" of arc/century perihelion advance.
> >
> > Only one person, a Russian national, modeled such thing 25 years ago. His job was BURIED, and only can be found
> > on the "deep Internet".
> >
> > The poor physicist made USELESS the entire GR with a 14 pages paper.
> >
> > Such thing couldn't be allowed by establishment. What would follow next? SR?
> >
> > Shitty world.
> Sun rotation period Ts ≈ 27 days
> Mercury rotation period Tm ≈ 88 days ≈ 3.259 Ts
>
> Mercury and an arbitrary reference point on Sun's equator radially meet EXACTLY every 81 days, or every 3 x Ts.
>
> Mercury perihelion has advanced 4.0712E-05 radians in such exact period.
>
> The Sun is liquid, and the drag on his uneven composition may cause a blob of Sun's matter almost at its border, within the Sun.
>
> With a radius of 696340 km and a mass of 1.989E30 kg, it would only require a blob of matter with 0.00000016 x Sun mass, rotating
> 3 TIMES SLOWER than the Sun to match the period of Mercury's orbit.
>
> Such "virtual planet" within the Sun (a blob within a liquid sphere) would explain what Le Verrier calculated as Vulcan planet, orbiting
> between the Sun and Mercury, during 1847. His exact model with more than 100 equations up the 7th. order and 400 parameters is
> still considered invaluable today.
>
> But, as he was French and UK-Germany-most of Europe HATED French people because of Napoleon, he was IGNORED.
>
> A Russian physicist updated his model with more accurate data, 25 years ago, and postulated the existence of such BLOB under
> the surface of the non-homogeneous Sun, and his calculations DID FIT with the MISSING 43" of arc/cy addition to the perturbation
> of the rest of planets.
>
> A virtual planet, a virtual photon. Which is the fucking difference besides the fact that the paper KILLED General Relativity.
>
> It didn't prosper, of course. First a French and now a Russian? NATO establishment went nuts by 1995.
>
> P.S.: It can't be disproved, as such tiny difference CAN'T be measured by humans. Also, it KILLS a lot of astrophysics in the way.

What is funny to think about it is that the blob would have a perfect circular orbit, with radius close to the Sun's radius.

That effect, due to plasma effects on tensions on Sun's surface, wouldn't be imagined by Le Verrier.

Don't forget that, due to non-linear complexities of the N-Body problem, scientists have settled to SUM the contribution
of the perturbation of each planet INDEPENDENTLY of others.

Now, a differential effect could be analyzed as a 2-Body problem, only that one has an elliptic orbit and
the other a perfect circular orbit, violating Newton and Kepler.

Hey! The Russian did it, and obtained the fucking 43" of arc/cy in a little more than 10 pages. But the paper is 6 feet under since 1995.

No GR needed. Only a better knowledge about how a giant liquid sphere, at million K degrees, behave.

Electromagnetism + Newtonian theories + fluid hydrodynamics + ingenuity = A new solution for Mercury.

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On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:02:55 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 1:35:06 AM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:23:13 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > Inside the liquid Sun, there is a blob of matter that follows Mercury's orbit.
> > >
> > > The Vulcan planet is INSIDE THE SUN, and its mutual perturbation with Mercury causes the 43" of arc/century perihelion advance.
> > >
> > > Only one person, a Russian national, modeled such thing 25 years ago. His job was BURIED, and only can be found
> > > on the "deep Internet".
> > >
> > > The poor physicist made USELESS the entire GR with a 14 pages paper.
> > >
> > > Such thing couldn't be allowed by establishment. What would follow next? SR?
> > >
> > > Shitty world.
> > Sun rotation period Ts ≈ 27 days
> > Mercury rotation period Tm ≈ 88 days ≈ 3.259 Ts
> >
> > Mercury and an arbitrary reference point on Sun's equator radially meet EXACTLY every 81 days, or every 3 x Ts.
> >
> > Mercury perihelion has advanced 4.0712E-05 radians in such exact period..
> >
> > The Sun is liquid, and the drag on his uneven composition may cause a blob of Sun's matter almost at its border, within the Sun.
> >
> > With a radius of 696340 km and a mass of 1.989E30 kg, it would only require a blob of matter with 0.00000016 x Sun mass, rotating
> > 3 TIMES SLOWER than the Sun to match the period of Mercury's orbit.
> >
> > Such "virtual planet" within the Sun (a blob within a liquid sphere) would explain what Le Verrier calculated as Vulcan planet, orbiting
> > between the Sun and Mercury, during 1847. His exact model with more than 100 equations up the 7th. order and 400 parameters is
> > still considered invaluable today.
> >
> > But, as he was French and UK-Germany-most of Europe HATED French people because of Napoleon, he was IGNORED.
> >
> > A Russian physicist updated his model with more accurate data, 25 years ago, and postulated the existence of such BLOB under
> > the surface of the non-homogeneous Sun, and his calculations DID FIT with the MISSING 43" of arc/cy addition to the perturbation
> > of the rest of planets.
> >
> > A virtual planet, a virtual photon. Which is the fucking difference besides the fact that the paper KILLED General Relativity.
> >
> > It didn't prosper, of course. First a French and now a Russian? NATO establishment went nuts by 1995.
> >
> > P.S.: It can't be disproved, as such tiny difference CAN'T be measured by humans. Also, it KILLS a lot of astrophysics in the way.
> What is funny to think about it is that the blob would have a perfect circular orbit, with radius close to the Sun's radius.
>
> That effect, due to plasma effects on tensions on Sun's surface, wouldn't be imagined by Le Verrier.
>
> Don't forget that, due to non-linear complexities of the N-Body problem, scientists have settled to SUM the contribution
> of the perturbation of each planet INDEPENDENTLY of others.
>
> Now, a differential effect could be analyzed as a 2-Body problem, only that one has an elliptic orbit and
> the other a perfect circular orbit, violating Newton and Kepler.
>
> Hey! The Russian did it, and obtained the fucking 43" of arc/cy in a little more than 10 pages. But the paper is 6 feet under since 1995.
>
> No GR needed. Only a better knowledge about how a giant liquid sphere, at million K degrees, behave.
>
> Electromagnetism + Newtonian theories + fluid hydrodynamics + ingenuity = A new solution for Mercury.

Imagine that:

1) Forget the Sun and every other celestial body other than Mercury and Vulcan.

2) Both are rotating alone in a void universe, in a plane with reference x,y equal to 0,0:

Mercury with an elliptical orbit described by the ellipse equation, with period 88 days.
Vulcan with a circular orbit, described by the circle equation, with period 81 days.
Vulcan pulling Mercury at 60 million Km, to achieve small deviations or Mercury's orbit. Vulcan orbit is immutable.
Vulcan causes a deviation in Mercury's orbit by 1 part in 2 millions, every 88 days.

3) It shouldn't be too difficult to develop the math, isn't it?

4) It kills GR on the Solar System, as well as a lot of astrophysics shit about twin orbitals out there.

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 by: Richard Hertz - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 17:24 UTC

On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:20:04 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:02:55 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 1:35:06 AM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:23:13 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > Inside the liquid Sun, there is a blob of matter that follows Mercury's orbit.
> > > >
> > > > The Vulcan planet is INSIDE THE SUN, and its mutual perturbation with Mercury causes the 43" of arc/century perihelion advance.
> > > >
> > > > Only one person, a Russian national, modeled such thing 25 years ago. His job was BURIED, and only can be found
> > > > on the "deep Internet".
> > > >
> > > > The poor physicist made USELESS the entire GR with a 14 pages paper..
> > > >
> > > > Such thing couldn't be allowed by establishment. What would follow next? SR?
> > > >
> > > > Shitty world.
> > > Sun rotation period Ts ≈ 27 days
> > > Mercury rotation period Tm ≈ 88 days ≈ 3.259 Ts
> > >
> > > Mercury and an arbitrary reference point on Sun's equator radially meet EXACTLY every 81 days, or every 3 x Ts.
> > >
> > > Mercury perihelion has advanced 4.0712E-05 radians in such exact period.
> > >
> > > The Sun is liquid, and the drag on his uneven composition may cause a blob of Sun's matter almost at its border, within the Sun.
> > >
> > > With a radius of 696340 km and a mass of 1.989E30 kg, it would only require a blob of matter with 0.00000016 x Sun mass, rotating
> > > 3 TIMES SLOWER than the Sun to match the period of Mercury's orbit.
> > >
> > > Such "virtual planet" within the Sun (a blob within a liquid sphere) would explain what Le Verrier calculated as Vulcan planet, orbiting
> > > between the Sun and Mercury, during 1847. His exact model with more than 100 equations up the 7th. order and 400 parameters is
> > > still considered invaluable today.
> > >
> > > But, as he was French and UK-Germany-most of Europe HATED French people because of Napoleon, he was IGNORED.
> > >
> > > A Russian physicist updated his model with more accurate data, 25 years ago, and postulated the existence of such BLOB under
> > > the surface of the non-homogeneous Sun, and his calculations DID FIT with the MISSING 43" of arc/cy addition to the perturbation
> > > of the rest of planets.
> > >
> > > A virtual planet, a virtual photon. Which is the fucking difference besides the fact that the paper KILLED General Relativity.
> > >
> > > It didn't prosper, of course. First a French and now a Russian? NATO establishment went nuts by 1995.
> > >
> > > P.S.: It can't be disproved, as such tiny difference CAN'T be measured by humans. Also, it KILLS a lot of astrophysics in the way.
> > What is funny to think about it is that the blob would have a perfect circular orbit, with radius close to the Sun's radius.
> >
> > That effect, due to plasma effects on tensions on Sun's surface, wouldn't be imagined by Le Verrier.
> >
> > Don't forget that, due to non-linear complexities of the N-Body problem, scientists have settled to SUM the contribution
> > of the perturbation of each planet INDEPENDENTLY of others.
> >
> > Now, a differential effect could be analyzed as a 2-Body problem, only that one has an elliptic orbit and
> > the other a perfect circular orbit, violating Newton and Kepler.
> >
> > Hey! The Russian did it, and obtained the fucking 43" of arc/cy in a little more than 10 pages. But the paper is 6 feet under since 1995.
> >
> > No GR needed. Only a better knowledge about how a giant liquid sphere, at million K degrees, behave.
> >
> > Electromagnetism + Newtonian theories + fluid hydrodynamics + ingenuity = A new solution for Mercury.
> Imagine that:
>
> 1) Forget the Sun and every other celestial body other than Mercury and Vulcan.
>
> 2) Both are rotating alone in a void universe, in a plane with reference x,y equal to 0,0:
>
> Mercury with an elliptical orbit described by the ellipse equation, with period 88 days.
> Vulcan with a circular orbit, described by the circle equation, with period 81 days.
> Vulcan pulling Mercury at 60 million Km, to achieve small deviations or Mercury's orbit. Vulcan orbit is immutable.
> Vulcan causes a deviation in Mercury's orbit by 1 part in 2 millions, every 88 days.
>
> 3) It shouldn't be too difficult to develop the math, isn't it?
>
> 4) It kills GR on the Solar System, as well as a lot of astrophysics shit about twin orbitals out there.

P.S.: It also could be applied to every fucking rock with a melted core and a tiny solid crust orbiting everywhere.
They know NOTHING.

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 by: Dirk Van de moortel - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 18:44 UTC

Op 16-nov.-2021 om 18:24 schreef Richard Hertz:
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:20:04 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz
> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:02:55 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz
>> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 1:35:06 AM UTC-3, Richard Hertz
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:23:13 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz
>>>> wrote:

You probably don't realise how pathetic this looks.

[snip]

>
> P.S.: It also could be applied to every fucking rock with a melted
> core and a tiny solid crust orbiting everywhere. They know NOTHING.
>

Employee gets scolding from boss.
Employee leaves office, slamming door.
Employee re-opens door and slams it again.
Employee re-opens door and slams it again.
Employee re-opens door and slams it again.

Dirk Vdm

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On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:44:51 PM UTC-3, Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
> Op 16-nov.-2021 om 18:24 schreef Richard Hertz:
> > On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:20:04 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz
> > wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:02:55 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 1:35:06 AM UTC-3, Richard Hertz
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 8:23:13 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz
> >>>> wrote:
> You probably don't realise how pathetic this looks.
>
> [snip]
> >
> > P.S.: It also could be applied to every fucking rock with a melted
> > core and a tiny solid crust orbiting everywhere. They know NOTHING.
> >
> Employee gets scolding from boss.
> Employee leaves office, slamming door.
> Employee re-opens door and slams it again.
> Employee re-opens door and slams it again.
> Employee re-opens door and slams it again.
>
> Dirk Vdm

I assume that, for an imbecile like you, my chain of posts about Vulcan is pathetic, but your obsessive-compulsive track
on other people's ("Immortal fumbles"), for 15 years, is not pathetic at all.

Watch yourself at a distance, cretin:

http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/ImmortalFumbles.html

Dirk's mind revealed: "Sucking logic, sucking algebra, sucking attitude, sucking thumbs, the deadly combination of
IGNORANCE and ARROGANCE, topped with a coulis of SELF-RESPECT also known as ARROGNORANCE."

You, asshole, have a severe mental illness which seemed to have slow down in the last years. But it's there, in your rotten brain,
and progressing asymptotically toward complete madness.

Is it correct to call a mentally challenged person like you a pathetic person?. I leave it for others to answer, like your friend Dono.

And this is not the Vulcan planet from Star Trek, where Spock was born, by the way.

I learned something eternal: "Nothing more disgusting than a pretentious asshole" (like you). Unbearable persons, which have
to be avoided like the plague, before they intoxicate you.

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On Tuesday, 16 November 2021 at 16:54:44 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:

> It's much like an alternate reality gedanken, what if Einstein had never
> lived? Stuff like SR/GR/the photoelectric effect would still be
> discovered, maybe 10 years later than they actually were. What if
> Maxwell had lived a fuller life? Maybe that brilliant scientist would
> have discovered SR a decade before Einstein!

But the clocks of GPS would keep measuring t'=t anyway.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 20:18 UTC

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I learned something eternal: "Nothing more disgusting than a pretentious
> asshole" (like you). Unbearable persons, which have
> to be avoided like the plague, before they intoxicate you.

And so how are you, o engineer in a physics group, taking your own advice?
>
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 5:18:56 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

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> And so how are you, o engineer in a physics group, taking your own advice?

I come here for:

1) To troll imbecile relativists, specially those who poses as wannabe physicists.
2) To troll advocates of (1905 - 2021) physics on the fields of: quantum and nuclear physics, "applied relativity, SR and GR" and BBT.
3) To find out from which planet the reptilian lifeform (A.K.A. Dono) comes. Vulcan, that I cited here?. Also, what eats and if see colors.
4) To show why physicists are not needed today in fields 2), except on Earth Sciences.
5) To prove that in GPS world, t = t'.
6) To post whatever comes to my mind concerning affairs in the current world, and its history.
7) To learn why Moroney tries harder after failing, time after time.
8) To prove that you are an asshole.
9) To create polemics, because it's fun and help to upgrade debate abilities.
10) Because in sites for engineers, they are so RATIONAL, FULL OF COMMON SENSE AND HUMBLE, that it's a crime to troll there.
11) To observe how the average IQ on this group is declining year after year, by searching debates on the database. Very helpful.
12) To gain knowledge from some exceptional posts on a variety of subjects. There were some few smart people at this site.

I think the above points answer your question.

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 by: Michael Moroney - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 21:07 UTC

On 11/16/2021 2:58 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:

> Watch yourself at a distance, cretin:
>
> http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/ImmortalFumbles.html

I wonder why Richard brings that up? He must have a few fumbles in
there, I'll have to look.

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On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 9:20:04 AM UTC-8, crank Richard Hertz inserted both feet in his mouth:

> Imagine that:
>
> 1) Forget the Sun and every other celestial body other than Mercury and Vulcan.
>
> 2) Both are rotating alone in a void universe, in a plane with reference x,y equal to 0,0:
>
> Mercury with an elliptical orbit described by the ellipse equation, with period 88 days.

Cretinoid,

If you "Forget the Sun" Mercury cannot describe an ellipse. We all knew that you are a cretin when it comes to GR, you have demonstrated that you are an even bigger cretin when it comes to Newtonian mechanics. Well done, keep up the entertainment.

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