I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?

--

Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still;
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?

You post about it?

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> If you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?

Should work fine.

PAN FRY (PREFERRED METHOD)

1. Preheat 2 tablespoons of vegetable oil in a skillet or wok on MEDIUM
HIGH for 1 minute.

2. Place frozen potstickers in a skillet or wok, and heat on MEDIUM HIGH
for 4 minutes or until skins turn lightly brown.

3. Reduce heat to MEDIUM. Carefully add 4 tablespoons of water to skillet
or wok, cover and steam potstickers for 5 minutes or until water has
evaporated and potstickers begin to brown*.
CAUTION: COVER IMMEDIATELY WHEN ADDING WATER TO AVOID BURNS FROM SPLATTER.

4. Serve immediately with dipping sauce.

https://www.innovasiancuisine.com/chicken-potstickers/

Oil won't ruin your pan

1. Should I use oil in a non-stick pan?

The short answer is YES.

With non-stick cookware, you don�t need as much oil as a typical stainless
steel pan. In fact, you don�t even need to cover the whole pan. You can use
just enough to provide a protective barrier between the food and the
ceramic. At low to medium heat, olive oil or coconut oil can be the perfect
companion. When cooking with higher heat, use avocado oil, canola oil,
peanut oil or ghee. These fats can tolerate higher levels of heat without
taking a toll on the taste of your meal.

https://www.patternbrands.com/blog/how-to/how-to-use-oil-on-a-nonstick-pan/

2. Does Olive Oil Really Ruin Non-Stick Pans?

No, olive oil doesn�t ruin non-stick pans. There are many factors to
consider when cooking with olive oil to prevent your pan from eventually
being ruined, but the oil itself doesn�t affect the non-stick surface in
any negative way.

https://foodsguy.com/olive-oil-non-stick-pans/

3. Do I Need to Season My Nonstick Frying Pan before I Use It?

Season my non-stick frying pan

Before using your nonstick pan, you�ll need to season it. Seasoning a
nonstick pan will help fill in the small pits and pores in the surface of
the pan. Seasoning helps with any inconsistencies in the finish of the pan
and reduces the need to use any additional oil for cooking.

Another reason for seasoning your nonstick frying pan is to extend the life
of the pan, so foods don�t start to stick. The oil you use to season the
pan builds a protective layer of protection against oxidation.

Some manufacturers recommend that you season the pan at least twice a year
to ensure that it stays in good condition. Still other manufacturers
recommend seasoning your pans every few weeks to keep them in top quality
shape, so they continue to cook efficiently.

https://www.stonefryingpans.com/season-a-nonstick-pan/

--
The best designs occur in the theta state. - sw

On 8/25/21 11:12 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?

How do non-stick coatings stick to non-stick pans?

--
Regards,
Carl Ijames

> 2. Does Olive Oil Really Ruin Non-Stick Pans?
>
> No, olive oil doesn’t ruin non-stick pans. There are many factors to
> consider when cooking with olive oil to prevent your pan from eventually
> being ruined, but the oil itself doesn’t affect the non-stick surface in
> any negative way.

Non-Stick Pan ruin Olive Oil.

Olive Oil is an oil best served cold, so i was told.

On 8/25/2021 11:12 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
>
>
>

I use these "granite" skillets, they're non-stick enough for rock n roll:

<https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81KUmmNwZDL._AC_SX466_.jpg>

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?

The pan ususually wins.

On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-7, Carl wrote:
> On 8/25/21 11:12 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
> How do non-stick coatings stick to non-stick pans?

The pan material has to be clean and chemically more active than
you generally find in nice metals. So, you rub the aluminum pan with sodium.
Then the PTFE sticks to that surface.

On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 01:59:19 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-7, Carl wrote:
>> On 8/25/21 11:12 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> > I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
>> How do non-stick coatings stick to non-stick pans?
>
>The pan material has to be clean and chemically more active than
>you generally find in nice metals. So, you rub the aluminum pan with sodium.
>Then the PTFE sticks to that surface.

I think that the sodium then reacts with the adjacent Teflon, pulling
the fluorine atoms off the Teflon polymer, yielding something that
will stick to clean aluminum.

This comes from what I saw at RCA in the 1960s, where Teflon-insulated
hookup wire was treated using metallic sodium dissolved in some kind
of non-aqueous solvent. Also treated Teflon tubing intended to be
slipped over solid wire that way. The white Teflon insulation turned
light brown, and urethane conformal coat and the like would now stick
to the wire or tubing.

..<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_treatment_of_PTFE>

Joe Gwinn

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:mf1eigl0fvrb5duv5oqfkbl4knc70p2gql@4ax.com:

> I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
>
>
>

They get pot stuck.

Back in the non-non-stick days, a half inch of vegetable oil was the
rule.

Pot stickers become pop unstuckers.

Gotta keep 'em separated...

One would think that the name refers to the cooking action, but it
does not. It is actually a translation of a chinese term by a chinese
dude who wrote a cookbook with his wife back in 1945 for English
speaking folks.

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2c7d2d15-8189-4bd0-bbd0-ad7326c13782n@googlegroups.com:

> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-7, Carl wrote:
>> On 8/25/21 11:12 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> > I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
>> How do non-stick coatings stick to non-stick pans?
>
> The pan material has to be clean and chemically more active than
> you generally find in nice metals. So, you rub the aluminum pan
> with sodium. Then the PTFE sticks to that surface.
>

They have inproved both the non-stick medium and the
attachment/cladding method vastly in the last ten years.

Chefs all still used stainless for decades because the teflon pans
shed particulate scrapings into the food. Not the stuff nowadays.
Especially the ceramic coatings.

Yes, they have come a very long way since the stuff that only lasted
through 6 meals worth of cooking.

torsdag den 26. august 2021 kl. 16.37.14 UTC+2 skrev DecadentLinux...@decadence.org:
> whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:2c7d2d15-8189-4bd0...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-7, Carl wrote:
> >> On 8/25/21 11:12 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> > I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
> >> How do non-stick coatings stick to non-stick pans?
> >
> > The pan material has to be clean and chemically more active than
> > you generally find in nice metals. So, you rub the aluminum pan
> > with sodium. Then the PTFE sticks to that surface.
> >
> They have inproved both the non-stick medium and the
> attachment/cladding method vastly in the last ten years.
>
> Chefs all still used stainless for decades because the teflon pans
> shed particulate scrapings into the food. Not the stuff nowadays.
> Especially the ceramic coatings.
>
> Yes, they have come a very long way since the stuff that only lasted
> through 6 meals worth of cooking.

and be like cooking on plastic, not hot enough to actually fry anything
or burned off

On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 14:10:27 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>news:mf1eigl0fvrb5duv5oqfkbl4knc70p2gql@4ax.com:
>
>> I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
>>
>>
>>
>
> They get pot stuck.
>
> Back in the non-non-stick days, a half inch of vegetable oil was the
>rule.
>
> Pot stickers become pop unstuckers.
>
> Gotta keep 'em separated...
>
> One would think that the name refers to the cooking action, but it
>does not. It is actually a translation of a chinese term by a chinese
>dude who wrote a cookbook with his wife back in 1945 for English
>speaking folks.

Someone gave us a set of the dark red Curtis Stone things. They are
super non-stick and really thick aluminum so are basically isothermal.

We hung them overhead and they looked so good they made the rest of
the kitchen look drab. So we had to refinsh the cabinets and tile all
the walls and replace the light fixtures.

--

Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still;
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:qecfig13rivk94bsc78s8d0vv81beds0qq@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 14:10:27 -0000 (UTC),
> DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
>
>>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>>news:mf1eigl0fvrb5duv5oqfkbl4knc70p2gql@4ax.com:
>>
>>> I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> They get pot stuck.
>>
>> Back in the non-non-stick days, a half inch of vegetable oil was
>> the
>>rule.
>>
>> Pot stickers become pop unstuckers.
>>
>> Gotta keep 'em separated...
>>
>> One would think that the name refers to the cooking action, but
>> it
>>does not. It is actually a translation of a chinese term by a
>>chinese dude who wrote a cookbook with his wife back in 1945 for
>>English speaking folks.
>
> Someone gave us a set of the dark red Curtis Stone things. They
> are super non-stick and really thick aluminum so are basically
> isothermal.
>
> We hung them overhead and they looked so good they made the rest
> of the kitchen look drab. So we had to refinsh the cabinets and
> tile all the walls and replace the light fixtures.
>

That's funny. Did you fit out the house with LED lighting yet?

On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:48:41 -0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>news:qecfig13rivk94bsc78s8d0vv81beds0qq@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 14:10:27 -0000 (UTC),
>> DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
>>
>>>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>>>news:mf1eigl0fvrb5duv5oqfkbl4knc70p2gql@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> They get pot stuck.
>>>
>>> Back in the non-non-stick days, a half inch of vegetable oil was
>>> the
>>>rule.
>>>
>>> Pot stickers become pop unstuckers.
>>>
>>> Gotta keep 'em separated...
>>>
>>> One would think that the name refers to the cooking action, but
>>> it
>>>does not. It is actually a translation of a chinese term by a
>>>chinese dude who wrote a cookbook with his wife back in 1945 for
>>>English speaking folks.
>>
>> Someone gave us a set of the dark red Curtis Stone things. They
>> are super non-stick and really thick aluminum so are basically
>> isothermal.
>>
>> We hung them overhead and they looked so good they made the rest
>> of the kitchen look drab. So we had to refinsh the cabinets and
>> tile all the walls and replace the light fixtures.
>>
>
> That's funny. Did you fit out the house with LED lighting yet?

There is one incandescent in use still. It's the dimmer ballast on a
string of small LED spots. The bulb in the cave under the garage is
probably an incandescent, but it's only used a few minutes a year.

A few old CFs have been on for years. They will go LED when they
finally die.

--

Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still;
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.

On 8/26/21 4:59 AM, whit3rd wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-7, Carl wrote:
>> On 8/25/21 11:12 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
>> How do non-stick coatings stick to non-stick pans?
>
> The pan material has to be clean and chemically more active than
> you generally find in nice metals. So, you rub the aluminum pan with sodium.
> Then the PTFE sticks to that surface.
>

It was a joke, sigh, in the same tradition of George Carlin that I
believed John was adopting.

--
Regards,
Carl Ijames

On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 14:10:19 -0400, Carl <carl.ijamesXX@YYverizon.net>
wrote:

>On 8/26/21 4:59 AM, whit3rd wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-7, Carl wrote:
>>> On 8/25/21 11:12 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
>>> How do non-stick coatings stick to non-stick pans?
>>
>> The pan material has to be clean and chemically more active than
>> you generally find in nice metals. So, you rub the aluminum pan with sodium.
>> Then the PTFE sticks to that surface.
>>
>
>It was a joke, sigh, in the same tradition of George Carlin that I
>believed John was adopting.

This is a deadly serious issue. I was frying some up and I asked Mo
"Why are they called pot stickers?" and she said "Because they stick
to the pot" and then...

John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 14:10:19 -0400, Carl <carl.ijamesXX@YYverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/26/21 4:59 AM, whit3rd wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-7, Carl wrote:
>>>> On 8/25/21 11:12 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>>> I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
>>>> How do non-stick coatings stick to non-stick pans?
>>>
>>> The pan material has to be clean and chemically more active than
>>> you generally find in nice metals. So, you rub the aluminum pan with sodium.
>>> Then the PTFE sticks to that surface.
>>>
>>
>> It was a joke, sigh, in the same tradition of George Carlin that I
>> believed John was adopting.
>
> This is a deadly serious issue. I was frying some up and I asked Mo
> "Why are they called pot stickers?" and she said "Because they stick
> to the pot" and then...
>

As the song says, "Something's got to give, something's got to give."

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 4:12:27 AM UTC+1, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
>
>
>
> --
>
> Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still;
> but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
> always most valuable when he had lost it.

The pan does usually win. BUT, if you put the pan on a low heat without oil and cover the pan with the lid, it won't stick. For example. you can cook chicken breast in a non-stick pan at a low heat without the chicken burning or sticking to the pan. Issue only comes up when you put the pan on a high heat without oil.

https://thegymcompanion.com/low-fat-peri-peri-chicken/

On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 14:01:16 UTC+1, Joe Gwinn wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 01:59:19 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-7, Carl wrote:
> >> On 8/25/21 11:12 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> > I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
> >> How do non-stick coatings stick to non-stick pans?
> >
> >The pan material has to be clean and chemically more active than
> >you generally find in nice metals. So, you rub the aluminum pan with sodium.
> >Then the PTFE sticks to that surface.
> I think that the sodium then reacts with the adjacent Teflon, pulling
> the fluorine atoms off the Teflon polymer, yielding something that
> will stick to clean aluminum.
>
> This comes from what I saw at RCA in the 1960s, where Teflon-insulated
> hookup wire was treated using metallic sodium dissolved in some kind
> of non-aqueous solvent. Also treated Teflon tubing intended to be
> slipped over solid wire that way. The white Teflon insulation turned
> light brown, and urethane conformal coat and the like would now stick
> to the wire or tubing.
>
> .<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_treatment_of_PTFE>
>
> Joe Gwinn

I used to use "Tetra-Etch" for such purposes. It is an organo-sodium
compound. Another way of achieving a similar result is to heat the
surface very briefly with a hot flame (with good ventilation).
John

On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 10:46:39 -0800 (PST), John Walliker
<jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 14:01:16 UTC+1, Joe Gwinn wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 01:59:19 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-7, Carl wrote:
>> >> On 8/25/21 11:12 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> >> > I you fry pot stickers in a non-stick pot, what happens?
>> >> How do non-stick coatings stick to non-stick pans?
>> >
>> >The pan material has to be clean and chemically more active than
>> >you generally find in nice metals. So, you rub the aluminum pan with sodium.
>> >Then the PTFE sticks to that surface.
>> I think that the sodium then reacts with the adjacent Teflon, pulling
>> the fluorine atoms off the Teflon polymer, yielding something that
>> will stick to clean aluminum.
>>
>> This comes from what I saw at RCA in the 1960s, where Teflon-insulated
>> hookup wire was treated using metallic sodium dissolved in some kind
>> of non-aqueous solvent. Also treated Teflon tubing intended to be
>> slipped over solid wire that way. The white Teflon insulation turned
>> light brown, and urethane conformal coat and the like would now stick
>> to the wire or tubing.
>>
>> .<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_treatment_of_PTFE>
>>
>> Joe Gwinn
>
>I used to use "Tetra-Etch" for such purposes. It is an organo-sodium
>compound.

I think that's what I saw used, back in the day.

> Another way of achieving a similar result is to heat the
>surface very briefly with a hot flame (with good ventilation).

This is very dangerous. The smoke is quite toxic. Do outside, with a
positive-pressure supplied-air mask.

Joe Gwinn