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* Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
+* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMichael Moroney
|+* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
||+- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
||`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMichael Moroney
|| `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
||  `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMichael Moroney
||   +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMaciej Wozniak
||   +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
||   |`- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMaciej Wozniak
||   +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightyuuyyu
||   `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
||    +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightDirk Van de moortel
||    `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMichael Moroney
||     `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
||      +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightPaparios
||      |`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
||      | `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightGregor Bicha
||      |  `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
||      |   `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightCoke Alva
||      |    `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
||      |     +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightCoke Alva
||      |     `- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightrotchm
||      +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMichael Moroney
||      |`- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMaciej Wozniak
||      `- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|`- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMaciej Wozniak
+- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightDirk Van de moortel
+* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
| +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
| |+- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMaciej Wozniak
| |`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
| | +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightDirk Van de moortel
| | `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
| |  `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
| |   `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
| |    `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
| |     +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMichael Moroney
| |     |`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
| |     | `- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMichael Moroney
| |     `- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
| `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTownes Olson
|  `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|   `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTownes Olson
|    `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|     +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTom Roberts
|     |+* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMaciej Wozniak
|     ||`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightPython
|     || `- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMaciej Wozniak
|     |`- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|     `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTownes Olson
|      `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|       `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTownes Olson
|        `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|         +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTownes Olson
|         `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMichael Moroney
|          +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightDono.
|          |`- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightRaleigh Hobbs
|          `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|           +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTownes Olson
|           |`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|           | +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTownes Olson
|           | |`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|           | | +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTownes Olson
|           | | |+* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|           | | ||`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|           | | || `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|           | | ||  +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightPaparios
|           | | ||  +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|           | | ||  `- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMaciej Wozniak
|           | | |`- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTownes Olson
|           | | `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|           | |  `- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMaciej Wozniak
|           | +- Cretin Ed Lake perseveresDono.
|           | `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|           |  +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMaciej Wozniak
|           |  `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|           |   +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|           |   |+* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|           |   ||`- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|           |   |`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|           |   | +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|           |   | |`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|           |   | | +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightPaparios
|           |   | | +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMichael Moroney
|           |   | | |`- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightWade Earl
|           |   | | +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|           |   | | +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|           |   | | |+- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightWade Earl
|           |   | | |+- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|           |   | | |`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMichael Moroney
|           |   | | | +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMichael Moroney
|           |   | | | `- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMaciej Wozniak
|           |   | | +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightPaparios
|           |   | | `- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMaciej Wozniak
|           |   | +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightrotchm
|           |   | |`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|           |   | | +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightRichard Hertz
|           |   | | |`* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|           |   | | | `- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightPaul Alsing
|           |   | | `- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMaciej Wozniak
|           |   | +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMichael Moroney
|           |   | +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTownes Olson
|           |   | +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTownes Olson
|           |   | +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightEd Lake
|           |   | `- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightrotchm
|           |   +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
|           |   `- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightPython
|           +- Cretin Ed Lake gives a predictable answer: an imbecilityDono.
|           +- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightRaleigh Hobbs
|           +* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightMichael Moroney
|           `* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightOdd Bodkin
+* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightPaparios
+- Cretin Ed Lake is backDono.
+* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightPaul Alsing
+* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTom Roberts
+* Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightTownes Olson
`- Re: Radar guns and the speed of lightDirk Van de moortel

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 by: Ken Seto - Thu, 2 Dec 2021 23:27 UTC

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 3:58:35 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> El miércoles, 10 de noviembre de 2021 a las 14:45:14 UTC-3, det...@outlook.com escribió:
> > I just uploaded a new version of my paper "An Analysis of Einstein’s Second Postulate to his Theory of Special Relativity." It is at this link: https://vixra.org/pdf/1704.0256v5.pdf
> >
> > We've been arguing about this paper since May of 2017, but the arguments always get way off track. The key conflict is whether or not the speed of light is the same from ALL OBSERVERS. Obviously it is NOT. Radar guns demonstrate that FACT every day.
> >
> > A radar gun emits photons that travel at the speed of light, c. Those photons oscillate at a specific frequency. They hit an oncoming vehicle at c+v. That gives the photons an APPARENT higher oscillation frequency. Atoms in the vehicle send photons with that higher oscillation frequency back to the radar gun. Those photons also travel at c. The radar gun compares the oscillation frequency of the photons it emitted to the oscillation frequency of the photons it got back and is thus able to compute the speed of the oncoming vehicle.
> >
> > The only way this is possible is if the photons hit the target at c+v, which is something the mathematicians in this forum usually claim is impossible.
> >
> > Discussion?
> You have the references which clearly explain how the radar guns work (Principles of modern Radar Vol3. Radar Applications, chapter 16 Police Radar).. Since over 70 years, engineers know how a police radar works. "Police radars are required to measure only the speed of an approaching or receding
> target vehicle. The police radar must only measure the difference between the transmitted frequency and the received frequency. This difference is the Doppler frequency shift, which is proportional to the radial component of the velocity of the ‘‘target’’ vehicle.
>
> Fd = 2 (v_r Ft)/c, where Fd is the Doppler shift, v_r is the target radial velocity, Ft is the transmitted frequency and c is the speed of light.
>
> Once measured, the Doppler shift is scaled to speed in units of miles per hour (MPH). To meet this requirement, one of the simplest designs, called the homodyne radar, has been used for all police radar designs since the late 1940 time period. Figure 16-2 is a block diagram showing the homodyne concept".
>
> The use of photons for describing the "light" is irrelevant, since the only relevant factors are the frequency transmitted and the frequency received by the radar gun.

c’=c{(transmiting frequency - returning frequency)}/transmiting frequency

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 13:35 UTC

RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On November 19, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > The laws of physics don't care about agreeing or not.
> > They also apply to people who disagree with them,
>
> Not so.
>
> If the plane nosedives, the ignoramus doesn't know the laws of
> relativity, he will leap up two seconds before impact. So he's moving
> upwards at impact, and survives, while the oh so smart physicist
> gives up hope and pancakes.

All of ten milliseconds before the tail end of the plane crashes in on
the 'smart' athlete, smashing him to smithereens.

Too bad you were not on board of Germanwings Flight 9525,
to tell us about what happened onboard,

Jan

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