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* The great mistake of relativistic physicists.Richard Hachel
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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Sun, 12 Dec 2021 12:59 UTC

The great mistake of relativistic physicists.

They know that chronotropy is relative, just as winegrowers know that
mildew causes disasters in their vines.

But they don't know how to deal with it definitively, and with everyone's
approval.

R.H.

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 by: rotchm - Sun, 12 Dec 2021 14:02 UTC

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:59:58 AM UTC-5, Richard Hachel wrote:
<off topic rants snipped>

On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 10:48:57 AM UTC-5, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 11/12/2021 à 16:02, Emmet Buchs a écrit :

Question: Why did you respond to "him"?

Still no answer?

Before you start new threads, you need to address the previous ones.
So your discussions are only one way... You permit yourself to ask questions and expect answers, but you never answered those ask you questions. I hope you realize this

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 by: Vidal Rhum - Sun, 12 Dec 2021 14:43 UTC

mental retarded rotchm wrote:

> Before you start new threads, you need to address the previous ones.
> So your discussions are only one way... You permit yourself to ask
> questions and expect answers, but you never answered those ask you
> questions. I hope you realize this

you stinking pile of shit are not allowed to talk. You are stupid in
everything.

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 by: Thomas 'Pointed - Sun, 12 Dec 2021 20:32 UTC

Richard Hachel wrote:

> The great mistake of relativistic physicists.

LOL.
> They know that chronotropy is relative, […]

“Chronotropy” as you mean it is a concept that *you* invented;
nothing more than another product of your insanity.

PointedEars
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A: From the back, I found you repulsive, but from the front
I find myself very attracted to you.
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 by: JanPB - Mon, 13 Dec 2021 06:19 UTC

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:59:58 AM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote:
> The great mistake of relativistic physicists.
>
> They know that chronotropy is relative,

What's "chronotropy"?

Gobbledygook.

--
Jan

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JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:59:58 AM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote:
> > The great mistake of relativistic physicists.
> >
> > They know that chronotropy is relative,
>
> What's "chronotropy"?
>
> Gobbledygook.

No, it is a kind of heart disease.
Nothing relative about it,
you may get absolutely dead by it,

Jan
(other)

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 by: Richard Hachel - Mon, 13 Dec 2021 15:08 UTC

Le 13/12/2021 à 07:19, JanPB a écrit :
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:59:58 AM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote:
>> The great mistake of relativistic physicists.
>>
>> They know that chronotropy is relative,
>
> What's "chronotropy"?
>
> Gobbledygook.
>
> --
> Jan

Chronotropy is the relativistic speed at which watches beat by frame
change.

His factor is sqrt(1-v²/c²).

Each watch observing that the other beats less quickly than its own.

If chronotropy of watch observed is t, the chronotropy in my watch is t'=
t/sqrt(1-v²/c²).

Warning! This is not the only effect.
It is also necessary to add a spatial anisochrony effect of the type
(1+cosµ.v/c) where µ is the angle between the direction of the body
observed and the angle of sight of the examiner.

Let, in total, t'= t.(1+cosµ.v/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²)

R.H.

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 by: Dwight Batta - Mon, 13 Dec 2021 17:33 UTC

Richard Hachel wrote:

> Le 13/12/2021 à 07:19, JanPB a écrit :
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:59:58 AM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote:
>>> The great mistake of relativistic physicists.
>>> They know that chronotropy is relative,
>>
>> What's "chronotropy"? Gobbledygook. -- Jan
>
> Chronotropy is the relativistic speed at which watches beat by frame
> change.

watches are about frequency intervals, not speed.

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Mon, 13 Dec 2021 21:03 UTC

Le 13/12/2021 à 18:33, Dwight Batta a écrit :
> Richard Hachel wrote:
>
>> Le 13/12/2021 à 07:19, JanPB a écrit :
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:59:58 AM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote:
>>>> The great mistake of relativistic physicists.
>>>> They know that chronotropy is relative,
>>>
>>> What's "chronotropy"? Gobbledygook. -- Jan
>>
>> Chronotropy is the relativistic speed at which watches beat by frame
>> change.
>
> watches are about frequency intervals, not speed.

En français, si. On parle de montres qui battent plus ou moins vite.

R.H.

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Mon, 13 Dec 2021 22:33 UTC

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:59:58 AM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote:
> The great mistake of relativistic physicists.
>

What frame do you choose to compare
and what do those different results give
to the accuracy of relativity?

Mitchell Raemsch

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“Maybe you're just wandering around out here with your thumb up your ass, waiting for some answer that might let you off the hook.” ― Peter Matthiessen, In Paradise

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 by: Thomas 'Pointed - Mon, 13 Dec 2021 23:51 UTC

Richard Hachel wrote:

> Le 13/12/2021 à 07:19, JanPB a écrit :
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:59:58 AM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote:
>>> The great mistake of relativistic physicists.
>>>
>>> They know that chronotropy is relative,
>>
>> What's "chronotropy"?
>>
>> Gobbledygook.
>
> Chronotropy is the relativistic speed at which watches beat by frame
> change.

It is a term for a FICTITIOUS effect that YOU INVENTED in order to appear
smart (to yourself), and to not have to deal with your own scientific
inadequacy (that prevents you from understanding special relativity).

PointedEars
--
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(from: WolframAlpha)

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 by: Hung Bolt - Tue, 14 Dec 2021 17:44 UTC

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:59:58 AM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote:
>> The great mistake of relativistic physicists.
>>
>>
> What frame do you choose to compare and what do those different results
> give to the accuracy of relativity?

any, but you have to treat it accordingly.

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 by: JanPB - Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:51 UTC

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 7:08:33 AM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 13/12/2021 à 07:19, JanPB a écrit :
> > On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:59:58 AM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote:
> >> The great mistake of relativistic physicists.
> >>
> >> They know that chronotropy is relative,
> >
> > What's "chronotropy"?
> >
> > Gobbledygook.
> >
> > --
> > Jan
> Chronotropy is the relativistic speed at which watches beat by frame
> change.

Gobbledygook. Meaningless word salad.

--
Jan

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