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by: Chris L Peterson - Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:09 UTC

On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 23:29:13 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
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>https://phys.org/news/2022-01-palomar-survey-instrument-impact-starlink.html

Exactly what I've noted in the past. Starlink has almost no impact on
science.

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by: StarDust - Wed, 19 Jan 2022 04:41 UTC

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 3:09:19 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 23:29:13 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >https://phys.org/news/2022-01-palomar-survey-instrument-impact-starlink.html
>
> Exactly what I've noted in the past. Starlink has almost no impact on
> science.

Impact or no impact, Starlink system cost is $10 billion.
I don't think, Musk gives a crap for a few ruined amateur astro photos?

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by: RichA - Wed, 19 Jan 2022 06:19 UTC

On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 06:09:19 UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 23:29:13 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >https://phys.org/news/2022-01-palomar-survey-instrument-impact-starlink.html
>
> Exactly what I've noted in the past. Starlink has almost no impact on
> science.
1800. 23000 later. Think once the entire sky is suffused in their glow, they'll have an impact?

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by: RichA - Wed, 19 Jan 2022 06:24 UTC

On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 23:41:53 UTC-5, StarDust wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 3:09:19 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 23:29:13 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >https://phys.org/news/2022-01-palomar-survey-instrument-impact-starlink.html
> >
> > Exactly what I've noted in the past. Starlink has almost no impact on
> > science.
> Impact or no impact, Starlink system cost is $10 billion.
> I don't think, Musk gives a crap for a few ruined amateur astro photos?

Billionaires at his level don't even associate with people beneath their class, they can go their entire lives doing that.
Also, other organizations and companies and politicians live in mortal terror of offending someone like that so even if
he truly threatened ground-based astronomy, you'd never near more than an odd story about it.

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by: StarDust - Wed, 19 Jan 2022 06:48 UTC

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 10:24:32 PM UTC-8, RichA wrote:
> On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 23:41:53 UTC-5, StarDust wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 3:09:19 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 23:29:13 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >https://phys.org/news/2022-01-palomar-survey-instrument-impact-starlink.html
> > >
> > > Exactly what I've noted in the past. Starlink has almost no impact on
> > > science.
> > Impact or no impact, Starlink system cost is $10 billion.
> > I don't think, Musk gives a crap for a few ruined amateur astro photos?
> Billionaires at his level don't even associate with people beneath their class, they can go their entire lives doing that.
> Also, other organizations and companies and politicians live in mortal terror of offending someone like that so even if
> he truly threatened ground-based astronomy, you'd never near more than an odd story about it.

Big money rules, Dude!
It's not only the cost of Starlink, but the money it generates in the future.
Hole world economy's money system will be riding on it, banking, stock market, specially the cryptos!
A lot at stake!

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by: StarDust - Wed, 19 Jan 2022 06:50 UTC

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 10:19:30 PM UTC-8, RichA wrote:
> On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 06:09:19 UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 23:29:13 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >https://phys.org/news/2022-01-palomar-survey-instrument-impact-starlink.html
> >
> > Exactly what I've noted in the past. Starlink has almost no impact on
> > science.
> 1800. 23000 later. Think once the entire sky is suffused in their glow, they'll have an impact?

So as light pollution on earth?
Did anyone cut back on lighting?
No!

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by: Chris L Peterson - Wed, 19 Jan 2022 15:14 UTC

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 20:41:52 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 3:09:19 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 23:29:13 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >https://phys.org/news/2022-01-palomar-survey-instrument-impact-starlink.html
>>
>> Exactly what I've noted in the past. Starlink has almost no impact on
>> science.
>
>Impact or no impact, Starlink system cost is $10 billion.
>I don't think, Musk gives a crap for a few ruined amateur astro photos?

He probably doesn't it. And really, shouldn't. (Especially as no
amateur astroimages will get ruined by any of these satellites.)

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by: Chris L Peterson - Wed, 19 Jan 2022 15:16 UTC

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 22:19:29 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 06:09:19 UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 23:29:13 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >https://phys.org/news/2022-01-palomar-survey-instrument-impact-starlink.html
>>
>> Exactly what I've noted in the past. Starlink has almost no impact on
>> science.
>1800. 23000 later. Think once the entire sky is suffused in their glow, they'll have an impact?

Nope. They're still largely invisible to the eye. And they still won't
have significant impact on science, because tracks going through
images don't affect results.

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by: Chris L Peterson - Wed, 19 Jan 2022 15:17 UTC

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 22:50:13 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 10:19:30 PM UTC-8, RichA wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 06:09:19 UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> > On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 23:29:13 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >https://phys.org/news/2022-01-palomar-survey-instrument-impact-starlink.html
>> >
>> > Exactly what I've noted in the past. Starlink has almost no impact on
>> > science.
>> 1800. 23000 later. Think once the entire sky is suffused in their glow, they'll have an impact?
>
>So as light pollution on earth?
>Did anyone cut back on lighting?
>No!

These things are dim. They are very hard to see visually. And the only
time they are lit is near twilight, when it's not dark, anyway.

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by: Chris L Peterson - Fri, 21 Jan 2022 16:14 UTC

On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 21:41:21 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
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>On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 02:29:14 UTC-5, RichA wrote:
>> https://phys.org/news/2022-01-palomar-survey-instrument-impact-starlink.html
>
>For those who make waves over his actions, Musk has plans for you too:
>
>https://techxplore.com/news/2022-01-elon-musk-brain-implant-company.html

People have been working on this for at least 30 years, and great
advances have been made in the last 5 or so.

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by: fred k. engels® - Fri, 21 Jan 2022 17:00 UTC

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On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 02:29:14 UTC-5, RichA wrote:
> https://phys.org/news/2022-01-palomar-survey-instrument-impact-starlink.html

For those who make waves over his actions, Musk has plans for you too:

https://techxplore.com/news/2022-01-elon-musk-brain-implant-company.html

Subject	Author
Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	RichA
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	Chris L Peterson
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	fred k. engels®
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	StarDust
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	RichA
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	StarDust
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	Chris L Peterson
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	RichA
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	StarDust
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	Chris L Peterson
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	Chris L Peterson
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	fred k. engels®
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	RichA
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	Chris L Peterson
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	fred k. engels®
Re: Analyzing the impact of Starlink satellites on observations	fred k. engels®