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* The Arctic Ice Cap Is Drastically ShrinkingStarDust
`* Re: The Arctic Ice Cap Is Drastically ShrinkingJos Bergervoet
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https://autodailyz.com/2022/01/27/satellite-photos-prove-the-arctic-ice-cap-is-drastically-shrinking/

I think, we don't need more proof than this for Global Warming!
Russians love it, it opens up the Arctic region for commercial shipping for them!

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 by: Jos Bergervoet - Sat, 29 Jan 2022 08:26 UTC

On 22/01/29 8:00 AM, StarDust wrote:
> https://autodailyz.com/2022/01/27/satellite-photos-prove-the-arctic-ice-cap-is-drastically-shrinking/
>

Also the Polar Bears all have died out, I heard! (Al Gore told me, who
is very clever, he is also the inventor of the 'algoritm'.)

--
Jos

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On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 12:26:33 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
> On 22/01/29 8:00 AM, StarDust wrote:
> > https://autodailyz.com/2022/01/27/satellite-photos-prove-the-arctic-ice-cap-is-drastically-shrinking/
> >
>
> Also the Polar Bears all have died out, I heard! (Al Gore told me, who
> is very clever, he is also the inventor of the 'algoritm'.)
>
> --
> Jos

Not yet, but going to be soon, after the ice is gone!

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 by: Jos Bergervoet - Sat, 29 Jan 2022 09:13 UTC

On 22/01/29 10:04 AM, StarDust wrote:
> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 12:26:33 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
>> On 22/01/29 8:00 AM, StarDust wrote:
>>> https://autodailyz.com/2022/01/27/satellite-photos-prove-the-arctic-ice-cap-is-drastically-shrinking/
>>>
>>
>> Also the Polar Bears all have died out, I heard! (Al Gore told me, who
>> is very clever, he is also the inventor of the 'algoritm'.)
>>
>> --
>> Jos
>
> Not yet, but going to be soon, after the ice is gone!

The end-of-the-world is everytime again like the James Webb launch!
Getting postponed over and over, but it will happen (in the end..)

--
Jos

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 by: StarDust - Sat, 29 Jan 2022 09:25 UTC

On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:14:03 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
> On 22/01/29 10:04 AM, StarDust wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 12:26:33 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
> >> On 22/01/29 8:00 AM, StarDust wrote:
> >>> https://autodailyz.com/2022/01/27/satellite-photos-prove-the-arctic-ice-cap-is-drastically-shrinking/
> >>>
> >>
> >> Also the Polar Bears all have died out, I heard! (Al Gore told me, who
> >> is very clever, he is also the inventor of the 'algoritm'.)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jos
> >
> > Not yet, but going to be soon, after the ice is gone!
> The end-of-the-world is everytime again like the James Webb launch!
> Getting postponed over and over, but it will happen (in the end..)
>
> --
> Jos

What has to do with the end of the world?
We will just end up with a planet like in the movie Water world!
Fish will rule the world again, like it did hundreds of million years ago!

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 by: Jos Bergervoet - Sat, 29 Jan 2022 21:46 UTC

On 22/01/29 10:25 AM, StarDust wrote:
> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:14:03 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
>> On 22/01/29 10:04 AM, StarDust wrote:
>>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 12:26:33 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
>>>> On 22/01/29 8:00 AM, StarDust wrote:
>
>>>>> https://autodailyz.com/2022/01/27/satellite-photos-prove-the-arctic-ice-cap-is-drastically-shrinking/
>>>>
>>>> Also the Polar Bears all have died out, I heard! (Al Gore told me, who
>>>> is very clever, he is also the inventor of the 'algorithm'.)
>>>
>>> Not yet, but going to be soon, after the ice is gone!
>> >> The end-of-the-world is everytime again like the James Webb launch!
>> Getting postponed over and over, but it will happen (in the end..)
>
> What has to do with the end of the world?

Just like Webb, that will also be a big succes (in the end..!)

> We will just end up with a planet like in the movie Water world!

No, there cannot be a planet (after succesful deployment of the
end if the world, I mean..)

> Fish will rule the world again,
> like it did hundreds of million years ago!

But that was before the end of the world! (Although sometimes the
end is listed before the fish:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy_(novel)#Film_adaptation>)

--
Jos

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On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:26:33 AM UTC-7, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
> (Al Gore told me, who
> is very clever, he is also the inventor of the 'algoritm'.)

Of course that was intended as a joke. We are all familiar with al-Khwarizmi.who,
having written a book about using the Hindu-Arabic place value notation for numbers
and solving algelbraic equations, ended up having the word "algorithm" coined from
his name. It probably came about by accident, because the Latin title of his book on
arithmetic began with his name, and some people no doubt, being unfamiliar with
such an exotic name - and it also ended in the letter "I" - thought it was a word meaning
'methods' or something like that which they hadn't seen before. (Algoritmi de Numero
Indorum)

John Savard

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 by: StarDust - Sun, 30 Jan 2022 08:31 UTC

On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:46:59 PM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
> On 22/01/29 10:25 AM, StarDust wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:14:03 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
> >> On 22/01/29 10:04 AM, StarDust wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 12:26:33 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
> >>>> On 22/01/29 8:00 AM, StarDust wrote:
> >
> >>>>> https://autodailyz.com/2022/01/27/satellite-photos-prove-the-arctic-ice-cap-is-drastically-shrinking/
> >>>>
> >>>> Also the Polar Bears all have died out, I heard! (Al Gore told me, who
> >>>> is very clever, he is also the inventor of the 'algorithm'.)
> >>>
> >>> Not yet, but going to be soon, after the ice is gone!
> >> >> The end-of-the-world is everytime again like the James Webb launch!
> >> Getting postponed over and over, but it will happen (in the end..)
> >
> > What has to do with the end of the world?
> Just like Webb, that will also be a big succes (in the end..!)
> > We will just end up with a planet like in the movie Water world!
> No, there cannot be a planet (after succesful deployment of the
> end if the world, I mean..)
> > Fish will rule the world again,
> > like it did hundreds of million years ago!
> But that was before the end of the world! (Although sometimes the
> end is listed before the fish:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy_(novel)#Film_adaptation>)
>
> --
> Jos

Ja, like Waterworld, you know what I mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AvwHZF0RAc

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 by: StarDust - Sun, 30 Jan 2022 08:32 UTC

On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 5:29:30 PM UTC-8, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:26:33 AM UTC-7, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
> > (Al Gore told me, who
> > is very clever, he is also the inventor of the 'algoritm'.)
> Of course that was intended as a joke. We are all familiar with al-Khwarizmi.who,
> having written a book about using the Hindu-Arabic place value notation for numbers
> and solving algelbraic equations, ended up having the word "algorithm" coined from
> his name. It probably came about by accident, because the Latin title of his book on
> arithmetic began with his name, and some people no doubt, being unfamiliar with
> such an exotic name - and it also ended in the letter "I" - thought it was a word meaning
> 'methods' or something like that which they hadn't seen before. (Algoritmi de Numero
> Indorum)
>
> John Savard

Ja!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AvwHZF0RAc

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 by: Jos Bergervoet - Sun, 30 Jan 2022 09:40 UTC

On 22/01/30 9:31 AM, StarDust wrote:
> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:46:59 PM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
>> On 22/01/29 10:25 AM, StarDust wrote:
>>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:14:03 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
>>>> On 22/01/29 10:04 AM, StarDust wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 12:26:33 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
>>>>>> On 22/01/29 8:00 AM, StarDust wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> https://autodailyz.com/2022/01/27/satellite-photos-prove-the-arctic-ice-cap-is-drastically-shrinking/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also the Polar Bears all have died out, I heard! (Al Gore told me, who
>>>>>> is very clever, he is also the inventor of the 'algorithm'.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Not yet, but going to be soon, after the ice is gone!
>
>>>> The end-of-the-world is everytime again like the James Webb launch!
>>>> Getting postponed over and over, but it will happen (in the end..)
>>>
>>> What has to do with the end of the world?
>
>> Just like Webb, that will also be a big success (in the end..!)
>>
>>> We will just end up with a planet like in the movie Water world!
...
>
> Ja, like Waterworld, you know what I mean?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AvwHZF0RAc

Quite stylish!

But to return to the topic: why do they compare Oct '91 and Sep 2016
in your first link? In the movie they refer to, there is also very
little ice in the early 80s. (Visible around 1' into the clip:
<link https://youtu.be/Vj1G9gqhkYA?t=56> ).

And for some strange reason the movie only shows the year in the
upper corner after 1990, but you can extrapolate that of course to
the start, which then seems to be around 1960.

In that first decade (the 60's) there are no large dips in the amount
of ice, but at later times those dips appear and in the final 10 years
of the sequence the amount of ice is low about half of the time. That
would sum up the trend much better than just comparing two different
single-point situations (not even from the same month).

--
Jos

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 by: StarDust - Sun, 30 Jan 2022 10:53 UTC

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 1:40:39 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
> On 22/01/30 9:31 AM, StarDust wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:46:59 PM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
> >> On 22/01/29 10:25 AM, StarDust wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:14:03 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
> >>>> On 22/01/29 10:04 AM, StarDust wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 12:26:33 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
> >>>>>> On 22/01/29 8:00 AM, StarDust wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>> https://autodailyz.com/2022/01/27/satellite-photos-prove-the-arctic-ice-cap-is-drastically-shrinking/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also the Polar Bears all have died out, I heard! (Al Gore told me, who
> >>>>>> is very clever, he is also the inventor of the 'algorithm'.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not yet, but going to be soon, after the ice is gone!
> >
> >>>> The end-of-the-world is everytime again like the James Webb launch!
> >>>> Getting postponed over and over, but it will happen (in the end..)
> >>>
> >>> What has to do with the end of the world?
> >
> >> Just like Webb, that will also be a big success (in the end..!)
> >>
> >>> We will just end up with a planet like in the movie Water world!
> ...
> >
> > Ja, like Waterworld, you know what I mean?
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AvwHZF0RAc
> Quite stylish!
>
> But to return to the topic: why do they compare Oct '91 and Sep 2016
> in your first link? In the movie they refer to, there is also very
> little ice in the early 80s. (Visible around 1' into the clip:
> <link https://youtu.be/Vj1G9gqhkYA?t=56> ).
>
> And for some strange reason the movie only shows the year in the
> upper corner after 1990, but you can extrapolate that of course to
> the start, which then seems to be around 1960.
>
> In that first decade (the 60's) there are no large dips in the amount
> of ice, but at later times those dips appear and in the final 10 years
> of the sequence the amount of ice is low about half of the time. That
> would sum up the trend much better than just comparing two different
> single-point situations (not even from the same month).
>
> --
> Jos

To make sure people like you're paying attention, I guess?
😎

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 by: Jos Bergervoet - Sun, 30 Jan 2022 12:40 UTC

On 22/01/30 11:53 AM, StarDust wrote:
> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 1:40:39 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
>> On 22/01/30 9:31 AM, StarDust wrote:
>>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:46:59 PM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
>>>> On 22/01/29 10:25 AM, StarDust wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:14:03 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
>>>>>> On 22/01/29 10:04 AM, StarDust wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 12:26:33 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 22/01/29 8:00 AM, StarDust wrote:
...
>> ...
>>> Ja, like Waterworld, you know what I mean?
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AvwHZF0RAc

>> Quite stylish!
...
...
>> In that first decade (the 60's) there are no large dips in the amount
>> of ice, but at later times those dips appear and in the final 10 years
>> of the sequence the amount of ice is low about half of the time. That
>> would sum up the trend much better than just comparing two different
>> single-point situations (not even from the same month).
>
> To make sure people like you're paying attention, I guess?
> 😎

OK.. so what's this paper about then? (At 2:15 in the movie:
<https://youtu.be/5AvwHZF0RAc?t=83> )

--
Jos

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 by: Jos Bergervoet - Sun, 30 Jan 2022 12:51 UTC

On 22/01/30 2:29 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 1:26:33 AM UTC-7, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
>> (Al Gore told me, who
>> is very clever, he is also the inventor of the 'algoritm'.)
>
> Of course that was intended as a joke.

No John! He even did more: he actually invented the whole internet.

> We are all familiar with al-Khwarizmi.who,
> having written a book about using the Hindu-Arabic place value notation for numbers

Of course also there, we later found out there was only limited value
to all of it, because "640k is enough for everyone". Still, this is how
science progresses. In the beginning things are often a bit exaggerated.

--
Jos

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