On 12/21/2012 12:23 PM, Scout wrote:
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> "Carol Kinsey Goman" <ckg@förbes.com> wrote in message
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>> On 12/20/2012 6:55 PM, Scout wrote:
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>>> "Carol Kinsey Goman" <ckg@förbes.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On 12/20/2012 5:54 PM, Gray Guest wrote:
>>>>> Carol Kinsey Goman <ckg@förbes.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:0-ednUvxLebfLk7NnZ2dnUVZ5g6dnZ2d@giganews.com:
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>>>>>> On 12/20/2012 4:49 PM, Gray Guest wrote:
>>>>>>> "Fred C. Dobbs" <treasure@sierramadre.con> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:6bOdned9xK4i7k7NnZ2dnUVZ5h2dnZ2d@giganews.com:
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>>>>>>> There isn't one. And if there is, then conservatives can go to hell
>>>>>>> with the libs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, you really don't care about having a valid rationale for having
>>>>>> certain arms that you might plausibly use for your self defense; you
>>>>>> just want the most firepower you can possibly get, without any
>>>>>> restrictions.
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>>>>>> I'm sorry, but that isn't what the second amendment guarantees you.
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>>>>> No docuhebag. I've been arguing this for years. ALL of the antigun
>>>>> arguments have been demolished time after time.
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>>>> Not so. The argument that the second amendment - or any other concept
>>>> of rights - does *NOT* guarantee you the right to *ANY* weapon you
>>>> might wish to have is sound, and correct.
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>>> Fine... So let's see you show us the text in the 2nd that supports your
>>> claim.
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>> You really are monumentally stupid. That's not how any amendment works.
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> Hmmm... You make a claim about what's in the 2nd Amendment,

No, I didn't; you lied. The words that are in the second amendment are quite
well known. It's the *meaning* that is in dispute. You claim it means you may
own just *any* arms you wish to own. In fact, it does not mean that, it *never*
meant that, it *never* was intended by its authors to mean that.

The second amendment did not and does not recognize an unlimited right for you
to own just *any* arms you might wish to own. You know that.

Here's a question for you, designed to fuck you up and make you fall on your
face. There are laws, both state and federal, that prohibit *all* lawful gun
ownership to convicted felons; similar laws do the same for people adjudged
mentally ill. These laws are not in violation of the second amendment, yet there
is no language in the amendment making exceptions for felons of crazies. How are
these laws not in violation of the amendment?  And don't give us any of your
Constitution-ignorant bullshit about the fifth amendment.  That doesn't say
anything about gun rights.