I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 10:02:28 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F
>
Gee, I wish I could do your miles, Tom. The last time we actually cycled consistently in January was in the early years of this century, and pretty much through the whole of the 1990s we took only a very short break over Christmas/New Year before hitting the lanes again.
>
Andre Jute
CYCLISTS DEMAND: Bring back global warming!
>

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:20:46 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 10:02:28 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F
> >
> Gee, I wish I could do your miles, Tom. The last time we actually cycled consistently in January was in the early years of this century, and pretty much through the whole of the 1990s we took only a very short break over Christmas/New Year before hitting the lanes again.
> >
> Andre Jute
> CYCLISTS DEMAND: Bring back global warming!
> >

Well just listen to our local genius and printer repairman. His degree tells him that NASA is completely correct and that this is the warmest year on record. forget the actual temperatures.

On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 14:02:26 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F

I got no rides this week. We've been redecorating. I've been busy with
a paintbrush, and moving furniture... <sigh> and there's more to do.

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:39:38 PM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 14:02:26 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F
> I got no rides this week. We've been redecorating. I've been busy with
> a paintbrush, and moving furniture... <sigh> and there's more to do.

We can only hope that isn't a .223 caliber paintbrush. It would disturb our Hoplophobic friend

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F

60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.

Lou

On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 15:13:00 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F
>
>60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
>
>Lou

The most clothing I'll wear on a bike ride is Under Armor warm weather
shirts and pants, or equivalent. 60 F is a little to cold for that. I
didn't move to Florida to wear heavy clothes.

Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the
>> present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400
>> miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40
>> miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out
>> made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much
>> better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard
>> protected from the wind is 60F
>
> 60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt
> warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
>
> Lou
>
Was if anything overdressed this evening’s gravel ride at 10C/50f no gloves
needed though my riding companion had cold feet apparently but well I run
hot, tend to suffer as temps get close to 30C let alone 40C!

Quite happy last week at -2C/28f loop though the roadie chain gang where
apparently very cold!

Have had a soggy rear tire again which possibly means I need to think about
replacement, night rides do tend to mean you end up hitting objects which
in daylight you’d avoid so is harder on tires and so on.

Roger Merriman

On 2/16/2023 6:13 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F
>
> 60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.

Last week I did a short utility ride in 40F or 4C, half of it into a ~12
mph headwind, with light rain spitting. I was in street clothes - shirt,
thin sweater, jacket. I was slightly moist with sweat.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 1:56:32 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/16/2023 6:13 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F
> >
> > 60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
> Last week I did a short utility ride in 40F or 4C, half of it into a ~12
> mph headwind, with light rain spitting. I was in street clothes - shirt,
> thin sweater, jacket. I was slightly moist with sweat.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

I take the weather as it comes, it only determines what bike I take, what clothes I wear and how long the ride is. Today 12C (warm-ish), 35 km/hr wind so I took the cross bike and sought the lee of the forest, but the last 5 km I had a head wind.

Lou

On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 12:28:42 AM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 15:13:00 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F
> >
> >60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
> >
> >Lou
> The most clothing I'll wear on a bike ride is Under Armor warm weather
> shirts and pants, or equivalent. 60 F is a little to cold for that. I
> didn't move to Florida to wear heavy clothes.

Not everyone has that 'luxury'.

Lou

On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 06:15:56 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 12:28:42 AM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 15:13:00 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
>> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F
>> >
>> >60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
>> >
>> >Lou
>> The most clothing I'll wear on a bike ride is Under Armor warm weather
>> shirts and pants, or equivalent. 60 F is a little to cold for that. I
>> didn't move to Florida to wear heavy clothes.
>
>Not everyone has that 'luxury'.
>
>Lou

I was born and raised in Northern Illinois and Wisconsin so I
understand your situation.

There are still a few homes available here, but filling up fast.

On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 3:20:27 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 06:15:56 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 12:28:42 AM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 15:13:00 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
> >> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F
> >> >
> >> >60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
> >> >
> >> >Lou
> >> The most clothing I'll wear on a bike ride is Under Armor warm weather
> >> shirts and pants, or equivalent. 60 F is a little to cold for that. I
> >> didn't move to Florida to wear heavy clothes.
> >
> >Not everyone has that 'luxury'.
> >
> >Lou
> I was born and raised in Northern Illinois and Wisconsin so I
> understand your situation.
>
> There are still a few homes available here, but filling up fast.

I am content were I am, thank you. With 'luxury' I mean you can choose when to ride. Some of us still have to work and only can ride on their time off..

Lou

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 3:13:02 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F
> 60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.

I wore two layers of thermals but it was cloth so that the air could move though it a little. A winter cap, wool socks and thermal tights. After you reach 78 and descend 5 km at 50 kph, tell me that you're warm. You have to remember that although you warm up climbing you lose that almost instantly when you go over the top and start down. And this is California so rather than set reasonably safe speed limits, if they have to hand out tickets they simply increase the speed limit. The speed limit on the climb is 55 mph sand no one doesn't drive at least 10 mph over that. On the narrow twisting part of Foothill Rd, the limit is 45 or 50 so y0ou're continuously on edge because in most of this area traffic is passing you at 100 kph. That makes it pretty difficult to relax when you ride.

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 4:49:15 PM UTC-8, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the
> >> present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400
> >> miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40
> >> miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out
> >> made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much
> >> better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard
> >> protected from the wind is 60F
> >
> > 60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt
> > warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
> >
> > Lou
> >
> Was if anything overdressed this evening’s gravel ride at 10C/50f no gloves
> needed though my riding companion had cold feet apparently but well I run
> hot, tend to suffer as temps get close to 30C let alone 40C!
>
> Quite happy last week at -2C/28f loop though the roadie chain gang where
> apparently very cold!
>
> Have had a soggy rear tire again which possibly means I need to think about
> replacement, night rides do tend to mean you end up hitting objects which
> in daylight you’d avoid so is harder on tires and so on.
>
> Roger Merriman

Are you sure you're not a snowman?

On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 07:01:52 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 3:20:27 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 06:15:56 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
>> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 12:28:42 AM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 15:13:00 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
>> >> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F
>> >> >
>> >> >60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
>> >> >
>> >> >Lou
>> >> The most clothing I'll wear on a bike ride is Under Armor warm weather
>> >> shirts and pants, or equivalent. 60 F is a little to cold for that. I
>> >> didn't move to Florida to wear heavy clothes.
>> >
>> >Not everyone has that 'luxury'.
>> >
>> >Lou
>> I was born and raised in Northern Illinois and Wisconsin so I
>> understand your situation.
>>
>> There are still a few homes available here, but filling up fast.
>
>I am content were I am, thank you. With 'luxury' I mean you can choose when to ride. Some of us still have to work and only can ride on their time off.
>
>Lou

Been there, done that, too.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 4:49:15 PM UTC-8, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the
>>>> present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400
>>>> miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40
>>>> miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out
>>>> made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much
>>>> better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard
>>>> protected from the wind is 60F
>>>
>>> 60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt
>>> warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>>
>> Was if anything overdressed this evening’s gravel ride at 10C/50f no gloves
>> needed though my riding companion had cold feet apparently but well I run
>> hot, tend to suffer as temps get close to 30C let alone 40C!
>>
>> Quite happy last week at -2C/28f loop though the roadie chain gang where
>> apparently very cold!
>>
>> Have had a soggy rear tire again which possibly means I need to think about
>> replacement, night rides do tend to mean you end up hitting objects which
>> in daylight you’d avoid so is harder on tires and so on.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> Are you sure you're not a snowman?
>
I was born and grew up in the Welsh hills so that seems to be my comfort
operating temperatures so London and SE England feels warm!

Roger Merriman

On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 9:46:33 PM UTC, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 4:49:15 PM UTC-8, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the
> >>>> present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400
> >>>> miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40
> >>>> miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out
> >>>> made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much
> >>>> better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard
> >>>> protected from the wind is 60F
> >>>
> >>> 60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt
> >>> warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
> >>>
> >>> Lou
> >>>
> >> Was if anything overdressed this evening’s gravel ride at 10C/50f no gloves
> >> needed though my riding companion had cold feet apparently but well I run
> >> hot, tend to suffer as temps get close to 30C let alone 40C!
> >>
> >> Quite happy last week at -2C/28f loop though the roadie chain gang where
> >> apparently very cold!
> >>
> >> Have had a soggy rear tire again which possibly means I need to think about
> >> replacement, night rides do tend to mean you end up hitting objects which
> >> in daylight you’d avoid so is harder on tires and so on.
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> > Are you sure you're not a snowman?
> >
> I was born and grew up in the Welsh hills so that seems to be my comfort
> operating temperatures so London and SE England feels warm!
>
> Roger Merman
>
I grew up in a desert, the Little Karoo. With extremes. In the morning even in summer, the water barrels had a layer of ice on top, and at noon it was often 120F. When the plane came in twice a week we schoolboys would hang on the fence laughing as English tourists came out of the door of the Dakota and promptly keeled over from the heat, to be caught by "catchers" standing by whose job was to catch them and lay them out on wheeled couches standing by for precisely that purpose.
>
When I came to live in Ireland, because of a special tax status for artists, people laughed at me wearing a fur coat in what they called "high summer", which I thought was low comedy.
>
Actually, where I live is generally 2C warmer than the rest of Ireland, and truly, it is no worse than a bad winter in the South of France.
>
Andre Jute
It's a matter of expectation and acclimatisation.
>

On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 5:22:57 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 9:46:33 PM UTC, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 4:49:15 PM UTC-8, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > >> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the
> > >>>> present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400
> > >>>> miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40
> > >>>> miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out
> > >>>> made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much
> > >>>> better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard
> > >>>> protected from the wind is 60F
> > >>>
> > >>> 60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt
> > >>> warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
> > >>>
> > >>> Lou
> > >>>
> > >> Was if anything overdressed this evening’s gravel ride at 10C/50f no gloves
> > >> needed though my riding companion had cold feet apparently but well I run
> > >> hot, tend to suffer as temps get close to 30C let alone 40C!
> > >>
> > >> Quite happy last week at -2C/28f loop though the roadie chain gang where
> > >> apparently very cold!
> > >>
> > >> Have had a soggy rear tire again which possibly means I need to think about
> > >> replacement, night rides do tend to mean you end up hitting objects which
> > >> in daylight you’d avoid so is harder on tires and so on.
> > >>
> > >> Roger Merriman
> > >
> > > Are you sure you're not a snowman?
> > >
> > I was born and grew up in the Welsh hills so that seems to be my comfort
> > operating temperatures so London and SE England feels warm!
> >
> > Roger Merman
> >
> I grew up in a desert, the Little Karoo. With extremes. In the morning even in summer, the water barrels had a layer of ice on top, and at noon it was often 120F. When the plane came in twice a week we schoolboys would hang on the fence laughing as English tourists came out of the door of the Dakota and promptly keeled over from the heat, to be caught by "catchers" standing by whose job was to catch them and lay them out on wheeled couches standing by for precisely that purpose.
> >
> When I came to live in Ireland, because of a special tax status for artists, people laughed at me wearing a fur coat in what they called "high summer", which I thought was low comedy.
> >
> Actually, where I live is generally 2C warmer than the rest of Ireland, and truly, it is no worse than a bad winter in the South of France.
> >
> Andre Jute
> It's a matter of expectation and acclimatisation.
> >

Krygowski isn't even questioning his Democrat government for destroying what will be a large portion of the state he lives in. Perhaps he needs a catcher.

On 2/18/2023 10:13 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 5:22:57 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 9:46:33 PM UTC, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 4:49:15 PM UTC-8, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the
>>>>>>> present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400
>>>>>>> miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40
>>>>>>> miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out
>>>>>>> made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much
>>>>>>> better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard
>>>>>>> protected from the wind is 60F
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt
>>>>>> warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lou
>>>>>>
>>>>> Was if anything overdressed this evening’s gravel ride at 10C/50f no gloves
>>>>> needed though my riding companion had cold feet apparently but well I run
>>>>> hot, tend to suffer as temps get close to 30C let alone 40C!
>>>>>
>>>>> Quite happy last week at -2C/28f loop though the roadie chain gang where
>>>>> apparently very cold!
>>>>>
>>>>> Have had a soggy rear tire again which possibly means I need to think about
>>>>> replacement, night rides do tend to mean you end up hitting objects which
>>>>> in daylight you’d avoid so is harder on tires and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure you're not a snowman?
>>>>
>>> I was born and grew up in the Welsh hills so that seems to be my comfort
>>> operating temperatures so London and SE England feels warm!
>>>
>>> Roger Merman
>>>
>> I grew up in a desert, the Little Karoo. With extremes. In the morning even in summer, the water barrels had a layer of ice on top, and at noon it was often 120F. When the plane came in twice a week we schoolboys would hang on the fence laughing as English tourists came out of the door of the Dakota and promptly keeled over from the heat, to be caught by "catchers" standing by whose job was to catch them and lay them out on wheeled couches standing by for precisely that purpose.
>>>
>> When I came to live in Ireland, because of a special tax status for artists, people laughed at me wearing a fur coat in what they called "high summer", which I thought was low comedy.
>>>
>> Actually, where I live is generally 2C warmer than the rest of Ireland, and truly, it is no worse than a bad winter in the South of France.
>>>
>> Andre Jute
>> It's a matter of expectation and acclimatisation.
>>>
>
> Krygowski isn't even questioning his Democrat government for destroying what will be a large portion of the state he lives in. Perhaps he needs a catcher.
>

Democrat? Not any longer!

The train wreck from a rail bearing fire was explicitly
caused by Donald J Trump (who switched parties several years
ago) according to Mr Buttigieg, who ought to know in his
capacity as Great Pooh Bah of Transportation.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 4:13:40 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 5:22:57 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 9:46:33 PM UTC, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 4:49:15 PM UTC-8, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > > >> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >>>> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the
> > > >>>> present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400
> > > >>>> miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40
> > > >>>> miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out
> > > >>>> made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much
> > > >>>> better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard
> > > >>>> protected from the wind is 60F
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt
> > > >>> warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Lou
> > > >>>
> > > >> Was if anything overdressed this evening’s gravel ride at 10C/50f no gloves
> > > >> needed though my riding companion had cold feet apparently but well I run
> > > >> hot, tend to suffer as temps get close to 30C let alone 40C!
> > > >>
> > > >> Quite happy last week at -2C/28f loop though the roadie chain gang where
> > > >> apparently very cold!
> > > >>
> > > >> Have had a soggy rear tire again which possibly means I need to think about
> > > >> replacement, night rides do tend to mean you end up hitting objects which
> > > >> in daylight you’d avoid so is harder on tires and so on.
> > > >>
> > > >> Roger Merriman
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure you're not a snowman?
> > > >
> > > I was born and grew up in the Welsh hills so that seems to be my comfort
> > > operating temperatures so London and SE England feels warm!
> > >
> > > Roger Merman
> > >
> > I grew up in a desert, the Little Karoo. With extremes. In the morning even in summer, the water barrels had a layer of ice on top, and at noon it was often 120F. When the plane came in twice a week we schoolboys would hang on the fence laughing as English tourists came out of the door of the Dakota and promptly keeled over from the heat, to be caught by "catchers" standing by whose job was to catch them and lay them out on wheeled couches standing by for precisely that purpose.
> > >
> > When I came to live in Ireland, because of a special tax status for artists, people laughed at me wearing a fur coat in what they called "high summer", which I thought was low comedy.
> > >
> > Actually, where I live is generally 2C warmer than the rest of Ireland, and truly, it is no worse than a bad winter in the South of France.
> > >
> > Andre Jute
> > It's a matter of expectation and acclimatisation.
> > >
> Krygowski isn't even questioning his Democrat government for destroying what will be a large portion of the state he lives in. Perhaps he needs a catcher.
>
Like a cowcatcher on the front of a locomotive? The problem with a cow catcher if you're mooing your way to the milking with the rest of the Approved Groupthink Cows, like Krygowski, is that the cowcatcher is likely to catch you. -- AJ

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:33:28 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/18/2023 10:13 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 5:22:57 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 9:46:33 PM UTC, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 4:49:15 PM UTC-8, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the
> >>>>>>> present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400
> >>>>>>> miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40
> >>>>>>> miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out
> >>>>>>> made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much
> >>>>>>> better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard
> >>>>>>> protected from the wind is 60F
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt
> >>>>>> warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lou
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Was if anything overdressed this evening’s gravel ride at 10C/50f no gloves
> >>>>> needed though my riding companion had cold feet apparently but well I run
> >>>>> hot, tend to suffer as temps get close to 30C let alone 40C!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Quite happy last week at -2C/28f loop though the roadie chain gang where
> >>>>> apparently very cold!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have had a soggy rear tire again which possibly means I need to think about
> >>>>> replacement, night rides do tend to mean you end up hitting objects which
> >>>>> in daylight you’d avoid so is harder on tires and so on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you sure you're not a snowman?
> >>>>
> >>> I was born and grew up in the Welsh hills so that seems to be my comfort
> >>> operating temperatures so London and SE England feels warm!
> >>>
> >>> Roger Merman
> >>>
> >> I grew up in a desert, the Little Karoo. With extremes. In the morning even in summer, the water barrels had a layer of ice on top, and at noon it was often 120F. When the plane came in twice a week we schoolboys would hang on the fence laughing as English tourists came out of the door of the Dakota and promptly keeled over from the heat, to be caught by "catchers" standing by whose job was to catch them and lay them out on wheeled couches standing by for precisely that purpose.
> >>>
> >> When I came to live in Ireland, because of a special tax status for artists, people laughed at me wearing a fur coat in what they called "high summer", which I thought was low comedy.
> >>>
> >> Actually, where I live is generally 2C warmer than the rest of Ireland, and truly, it is no worse than a bad winter in the South of France.
> >>>
> >> Andre Jute
> >> It's a matter of expectation and acclimatisation.
> >>>
> >
> > Krygowski isn't even questioning his Democrat government for destroying what will be a large portion of the state he lives in. Perhaps he needs a catcher.
> >
> Democrat? Not any longer!
>
> The train wreck from a rail bearing fire was explicitly
> caused by Donald J Trump (who switched parties several years
> ago) according to Mr Buttigieg, who ought to know in his
> capacity as Great Pooh Bah of Transportation.
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
When I grow up, I want to be like Donald J Trump. He's an amazing man, a magician, everywhere and everywhen all at the same time! Well, at least if you can believe the Donkey Party and Associated Stupidos. -- AJ
>

On 2/18/2023 1:18 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:33:28 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/18/2023 10:13 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 5:22:57 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 9:46:33 PM UTC, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 4:49:15 PM UTC-8, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the
>>>>>>>>> present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400
>>>>>>>>> miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40
>>>>>>>>> miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out
>>>>>>>>> made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much
>>>>>>>>> better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard
>>>>>>>>> protected from the wind is 60F
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt
>>>>>>>> warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lou
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was if anything overdressed this evening’s gravel ride at 10C/50f no gloves
>>>>>>> needed though my riding companion had cold feet apparently but well I run
>>>>>>> hot, tend to suffer as temps get close to 30C let alone 40C!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quite happy last week at -2C/28f loop though the roadie chain gang where
>>>>>>> apparently very cold!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have had a soggy rear tire again which possibly means I need to think about
>>>>>>> replacement, night rides do tend to mean you end up hitting objects which
>>>>>>> in daylight you’d avoid so is harder on tires and so on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you sure you're not a snowman?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I was born and grew up in the Welsh hills so that seems to be my comfort
>>>>> operating temperatures so London and SE England feels warm!
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merman
>>>>>
>>>> I grew up in a desert, the Little Karoo. With extremes. In the morning even in summer, the water barrels had a layer of ice on top, and at noon it was often 120F. When the plane came in twice a week we schoolboys would hang on the fence laughing as English tourists came out of the door of the Dakota and promptly keeled over from the heat, to be caught by "catchers" standing by whose job was to catch them and lay them out on wheeled couches standing by for precisely that purpose.
>>>>>
>>>> When I came to live in Ireland, because of a special tax status for artists, people laughed at me wearing a fur coat in what they called "high summer", which I thought was low comedy.
>>>>>
>>>> Actually, where I live is generally 2C warmer than the rest of Ireland, and truly, it is no worse than a bad winter in the South of France.
>>>>>
>>>> Andre Jute
>>>> It's a matter of expectation and acclimatisation.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Krygowski isn't even questioning his Democrat government for destroying what will be a large portion of the state he lives in. Perhaps he needs a catcher.
>>>
>> Democrat? Not any longer!
>>
>> The train wreck from a rail bearing fire was explicitly
>> caused by Donald J Trump (who switched parties several years
>> ago) according to Mr Buttigieg, who ought to know in his
>> capacity as Great Pooh Bah of Transportation.
>>

> When I grow up, I want to be like Donald J Trump. He's an amazing man, a magician, everywhere and everywhen all at the same time! Well, at least if you can believe the Donkey Party and Associated Stupidos. -- AJ
>>
>

Orwell called him 'Goldstein'.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 5:32:37 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:20:46 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 10:02:28 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400 miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40 miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard protected from the wind is 60F
> > >
> > Gee, I wish I could do your miles, Tom. The last time we actually cycled consistently in January was in the early years of this century, and pretty much through the whole of the 1990s we took only a very short break over Christmas/New Year before hitting the lanes again.
> > >
> > Andre Jute
> > CYCLISTS DEMAND: Bring back global warming!
> > >
> Well just listen to our local genius and printer repairman. His degree tells him that NASA is completely correct and that this is the warmest year on record. forget the actual temperatures.

leave it to tommy to fuck up his own thread with political bullshit, let alone not understanding the difference between climate and weather.

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 2:32:11 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/18/2023 1:18 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:33:28 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 2/18/2023 10:13 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 5:22:57 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 9:46:33 PM UTC, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 4:49:15 PM UTC-8, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>>>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 11:02:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I got in about 250 miles in between rainstorms in January and at the
> >>>>>>>>> present rate even with this short month I should have close to 400
> >>>>>>>>> miles. This is well below the early months of last year and today's 40
> >>>>>>>>> miles and 2200 feet of climbing was DAMNED COLD. So cold the ride out
> >>>>>>>>> made me wish for a wool watch cap/mask and the return trip wasn't much
> >>>>>>>>> better until I got home around 1 pm. Outside temperature in my back yard
> >>>>>>>>> protected from the wind is 60F
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 60F is almost 16C. I started at 7C and ended at 13C yesterday and I felt
> >>>>>>>> warm the whole 85 km ride. Took my gloves of halfway.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Lou
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Was if anything overdressed this evening’s gravel ride at 10C/50f no gloves
> >>>>>>> needed though my riding companion had cold feet apparently but well I run
> >>>>>>> hot, tend to suffer as temps get close to 30C let alone 40C!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Quite happy last week at -2C/28f loop though the roadie chain gang where
> >>>>>>> apparently very cold!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Have had a soggy rear tire again which possibly means I need to think about
> >>>>>>> replacement, night rides do tend to mean you end up hitting objects which
> >>>>>>> in daylight you’d avoid so is harder on tires and so on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are you sure you're not a snowman?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I was born and grew up in the Welsh hills so that seems to be my comfort
> >>>>> operating temperatures so London and SE England feels warm!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger Merman
> >>>>>
> >>>> I grew up in a desert, the Little Karoo. With extremes. In the morning even in summer, the water barrels had a layer of ice on top, and at noon it was often 120F. When the plane came in twice a week we schoolboys would hang on the fence laughing as English tourists came out of the door of the Dakota and promptly keeled over from the heat, to be caught by "catchers" standing by whose job was to catch them and lay them out on wheeled couches standing by for precisely that purpose.
> >>>>>
> >>>> When I came to live in Ireland, because of a special tax status for artists, people laughed at me wearing a fur coat in what they called "high summer", which I thought was low comedy.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Actually, where I live is generally 2C warmer than the rest of Ireland, and truly, it is no worse than a bad winter in the South of France.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Andre Jute
> >>>> It's a matter of expectation and acclimatisation.
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> Krygowski isn't even questioning his Democrat government for destroying what will be a large portion of the state he lives in. Perhaps he needs a catcher.
> >>>
> >> Democrat? Not any longer!
> >>
> >> The train wreck from a rail bearing fire was explicitly
> >> caused by Donald J Trump (who switched parties several years
> >> ago) according to Mr Buttigieg, who ought to know in his
> >> capacity as Great Pooh Bah of Transportation.
> >>
> > When I grow up, I want to be like Donald J Trump. He's an amazing man, a magician, everywhere and everywhen all at the same time! Well, at least if you can believe the Donkey Party and Associated Stupidos. -- AJ
> >>
> >
> Orwell called him 'Goldstein'.
> --

There have been "goldsteins" applied across the political spectrum for decades. One mans patriot is another mans traitor.