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+* Re: North Korea missile tests: Photos from space releasedChris L Peterson
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So, what if N-Korea gets pissed off and start blowing up satellites, filling space with junk that can damage other sats useless?

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 by: Chris L Peterson - Mon, 31 Jan 2022 03:50 UTC

On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 19:40:27 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
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>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60193714
>
>So, what if N-Korea gets pissed off and start blowing up satellites, filling space with junk that can damage other sats useless?

The first time they try, they will find that they don't have any
ground segment left.

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On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 7:50:58 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 19:40:27 -0800 (PST),
> wrote:
> >https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60193714
> >
> >So, what if N-Korea gets pissed off and start blowing up satellites, filling space with junk that can damage other sats useless?
> The first time they try, they will find that they don't have any
> ground segment left.

What do you mean?

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 by: Chris L Peterson - Mon, 31 Jan 2022 15:06 UTC

On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 21:52:05 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 7:50:58 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 19:40:27 -0800 (PST),
>> wrote:
>> >https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60193714
>> >
>> >So, what if N-Korea gets pissed off and start blowing up satellites, filling space with junk that can damage other sats useless?
>> The first time they try, they will find that they don't have any
>> ground segment left.
>
>What do you mean?

I mean that if NK attacks space assets, they will see their entire
launch and tracking system taken out by bombs, cruise missiles, etc.
They have no ability to stand up to any serious military response, and
the west is more than capable of trivially taking them out. And would.

They arguably get some strategic value out of having some limited
military capability. That value goes away, however, if they actually
use it.

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 by: StarDust - Mon, 31 Jan 2022 15:17 UTC

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:06:46 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 21:52:05 -0800 (PST), StarDust
> wrote:
> >On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 7:50:58 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 19:40:27 -0800 (PST),
> >> wrote:
> >> >https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60193714
> >> >
> >> >So, what if N-Korea gets pissed off and start blowing up satellites, filling space with junk that can damage other sats useless?
> >> The first time they try, they will find that they don't have any
> >> ground segment left.
> >
> >What do you mean?
> I mean that if NK attacks space assets, they will see their entire
> launch and tracking system taken out by bombs, cruise missiles, etc.
> They have no ability to stand up to any serious military response, and
> the west is more than capable of trivially taking them out. And would.
>
> They arguably get some strategic value out of having some limited
> military capability. That value goes away, however, if they actually
> use it.

It would be a last resort for N-Korea to take out the Satellite system.
They know about the heavy response of the west, but the west has to consider that for hundreds of years space is screwed, unless new armored sats are built.

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 by: Chris L Peterson - Mon, 31 Jan 2022 15:54 UTC

On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 07:17:47 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:06:46 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 21:52:05 -0800 (PST), StarDust
>> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 7:50:58 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 19:40:27 -0800 (PST),
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60193714
>> >> >
>> >> >So, what if N-Korea gets pissed off and start blowing up satellites, filling space with junk that can damage other sats useless?
>> >> The first time they try, they will find that they don't have any
>> >> ground segment left.
>> >
>> >What do you mean?
>> I mean that if NK attacks space assets, they will see their entire
>> launch and tracking system taken out by bombs, cruise missiles, etc.
>> They have no ability to stand up to any serious military response, and
>> the west is more than capable of trivially taking them out. And would.
>>
>> They arguably get some strategic value out of having some limited
>> military capability. That value goes away, however, if they actually
>> use it.
>
>It would be a last resort for N-Korea to take out the Satellite system.
>They know about the heavy response of the west, but the west has to consider that for hundreds of years space is screwed, unless new armored sats are built.

I doubt that NK has the capability to do more than minor damage to the
satellite system.

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 by: StarDust - Mon, 31 Jan 2022 19:59 UTC

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:54:51 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 07:17:47 -0800 (PST), StarDust
> wrote:
> >On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:06:46 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 21:52:05 -0800 (PST), StarDust
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 7:50:58 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 19:40:27 -0800 (PST),
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60193714
> >> >> >
> >> >> >So, what if N-Korea gets pissed off and start blowing up satellites, filling space with junk that can damage other sats useless?
> >> >> The first time they try, they will find that they don't have any
> >> >> ground segment left.
> >> >
> >> >What do you mean?
> >> I mean that if NK attacks space assets, they will see their entire
> >> launch and tracking system taken out by bombs, cruise missiles, etc.
> >> They have no ability to stand up to any serious military response, and
> >> the west is more than capable of trivially taking them out. And would.
> >>
> >> They arguably get some strategic value out of having some limited
> >> military capability. That value goes away, however, if they actually
> >> use it.
> >
> >It would be a last resort for N-Korea to take out the Satellite system.
> >They know about the heavy response of the west, but the west has to consider that for hundreds of years space is screwed, unless new armored sats are built.
> I doubt that NK has the capability to do more than minor damage to the
> satellite system.

Blast a few tons of ballbearings in space. into the most densely packed path of sats, see what happens?

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 by: Chris L Peterson - Tue, 1 Feb 2022 04:36 UTC

On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 11:59:14 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:54:51 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 07:17:47 -0800 (PST), StarDust
>> wrote:
>> >On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:06:46 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 21:52:05 -0800 (PST), StarDust
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 7:50:58 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 19:40:27 -0800 (PST),
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60193714
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >So, what if N-Korea gets pissed off and start blowing up satellites, filling space with junk that can damage other sats useless?
>> >> >> The first time they try, they will find that they don't have any
>> >> >> ground segment left.
>> >> >
>> >> >What do you mean?
>> >> I mean that if NK attacks space assets, they will see their entire
>> >> launch and tracking system taken out by bombs, cruise missiles, etc.
>> >> They have no ability to stand up to any serious military response, and
>> >> the west is more than capable of trivially taking them out. And would.
>> >>
>> >> They arguably get some strategic value out of having some limited
>> >> military capability. That value goes away, however, if they actually
>> >> use it.
>> >
>> >It would be a last resort for N-Korea to take out the Satellite system.
>> >They know about the heavy response of the west, but the west has to consider that for hundreds of years space is screwed, unless new armored sats are built.
>> I doubt that NK has the capability to do more than minor damage to the
>> satellite system.
>
>Blast a few tons of ballbearings in space. into the most densely packed path of sats, see what happens?

Less than you might think. And their lifetime in LEO would be very
short.

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 by: StarDust - Tue, 1 Feb 2022 05:01 UTC

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 8:36:43 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 11:59:14 -0800 (PST),
> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:54:51 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 07:17:47 -0800 (PST), StarDust
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:06:46 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 21:52:05 -0800 (PST), StarDust
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 7:50:58 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 19:40:27 -0800 (PST),
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60193714
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >So, what if N-Korea gets pissed off and start blowing up satellites, filling space with junk that can damage other sats useless?
> >> >> >> The first time they try, they will find that they don't have any
> >> >> >> ground segment left.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What do you mean?
> >> >> I mean that if NK attacks space assets, they will see their entire
> >> >> launch and tracking system taken out by bombs, cruise missiles, etc.
> >> >> They have no ability to stand up to any serious military response, and
> >> >> the west is more than capable of trivially taking them out. And would.
> >> >>
> >> >> They arguably get some strategic value out of having some limited
> >> >> military capability. That value goes away, however, if they actually
> >> >> use it.
> >> >
> >> >It would be a last resort for N-Korea to take out the Satellite system.
> >> >They know about the heavy response of the west, but the west has to consider that for hundreds of years space is screwed, unless new armored sats are built.
> >> I doubt that NK has the capability to do more than minor damage to the
> >> satellite system.
> >
> >Blast a few tons of ballbearings in space. into the most densely packed path of sats, see what happens?
> Less than you might think. And their lifetime in LEO would be very
> short.

Less?
I don't think so, specially plastic balls filled with explosives!
It would take time though to damage most sats!

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Comrade Kim Jong Un is a Great Thinker and Theoretician

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On 01.02.22 22:56, fred k. engels® wrote:
> Comrade Kim Jong Un is a Great Thinker and Theoretician
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Yes, it takes a genius to commit wholesale murder and mayhem......

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 by: fred k. engels® - Wed, 2 Feb 2022 14:29 UTC

[Fill in the blank here] may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a
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> Ever see "The Mouse that Roared?

As far as I know, North Korea is not known for its wine.

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