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 by: Leon Fisk - Tue, 2 May 2023 13:02 UTC

On Tue, 2 May 2023 06:43:18 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
>I wanted to see if anyone else would respond to that statement on a
>compressor dealer's web page the way I did.

I recall seeing that statement. Interpreted it to mean that the
pressure switch was "satisfied". It was seeing pressure as high enough
and not yet low enough to turn the motor on. Was skimming text though
and maybe missed something. Having done service work for most of my
career I could easily see getting a call-out for compressor not working
and find the problem such that pressure had not dropped low
enough for it to come on yet...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Tue, 2 May 2023 15:24 UTC

"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:u2r1kq$n33d$2@dont-email.me...

On Tue, 2 May 2023 06:43:18 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
>I wanted to see if anyone else would respond to that statement on a
>compressor dealer's web page the way I did.

I recall seeing that statement. Interpreted it to mean that the
pressure switch was "satisfied". It was seeing pressure as high enough
and not yet low enough to turn the motor on. Was skimming text though
and maybe missed something. Having done service work for most of my
career I could easily see getting a call-out for compressor not working
and find the problem such that pressure had not dropped low
enough for it to come on yet...

Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI
----------------------

I believe that was the intent, except for
"a compressor will typically fail to start when it lacks sufficient air
pressure"

Perhaps no one proof-read what the front office help composed and posted?

On the Internet small technical errors from authoritative sources tend to
propagate widely. I don't trust my own knowledge all that far so I bring
them up for comment.

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 by: Leon Fisk - Tue, 2 May 2023 18:15 UTC

On Tue, 2 May 2023 11:24:33 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
>I believe that was the intent, except for
>"a compressor will typically fail to start when it lacks sufficient air
>pressure"
>
>Perhaps no one proof-read what the front office help composed and posted?
>
>On the Internet small technical errors from authoritative sources tend to
>propagate widely. I don't trust my own knowledge all that far so I bring
>them up for comment.

I tend to "read" stuff as I think it was intended or makes sense
without realizing it. It's not till someone like yourself points out
errors that I then "see" it wasn't exactly as I'd interpreted it.

Yet when the neighbor drives up to me on his lawn tractor with the
front wheel about to fall off it strikes a nerve. He'd been happily
mowing his lawn and had yet to notice even though it had been that
way for a long time😲

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Tue, 2 May 2023 20:22 UTC

"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:u2rk0f$rr1k$1@dont-email.me...

I tend to "read" stuff as I think it was intended or makes sense
without realizing it. It's not till someone like yourself points out
errors that I then "see" it wasn't exactly as I'd interpreted it.

Yet when the neighbor drives up to me on his lawn tractor with the
front wheel about to fall off it strikes a nerve. He'd been happily
mowing his lawn and had yet to notice even though it had been that
way for a long time😲

Leon Fisk

-------------------------

I'm inherently like that too. I've studied enough foreign languages to have
grammatical correctness drummed into my brain, and I proof-read and edit my
own postings until they blur before hitting Send.

I flunked Technical Writing in college because I couldn't settle on a
logical linear path through what to me is a multidimensional network of
facts and relationships. I started posting here for practice and found it
much easier without the pressure to avoid mistakes. You may complain (good
feedback) or not understand but you don't grade me or sign my paycheck.

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 by: Leon Fisk - Tue, 2 May 2023 20:34 UTC

On Tue, 2 May 2023 16:22:28 -0400
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>I'm inherently like that too. I've studied enough foreign languages to have
>grammatical correctness drummed into my brain, and I proof-read and edit my
>own postings until they blur before hitting Send.

I re-read too yet still miss stuff until after I hit "send". I let a
lot of stuff slide in places like this for both myself and others. If I
make a glaring error I'll try to follow up with a correction.

I don't "get" poetry other than something like Ogden Nash. A bit of
rhyme and dash of humor with it. I suspect that poetry and grammer
enthusiasts view wordplay much as I appreciate a good mechanical
mechanism that makes no sense to them ;-)

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Wed, 3 May 2023 01:51 UTC

"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:u2rs56$rr1k$2@dont-email.me...

I don't "get" poetry other than something like Ogden Nash. A bit of
rhyme and dash of humor with it. I suspect that poetry and grammer
enthusiasts view wordplay much as I appreciate a good mechanical
mechanism that makes no sense to them ;-)
Leon Fisk

-----------------

I've tried to pick up some "culture" but not that much stuck. I like
"Carmen" for the lively music and Western-type story, its overture plays
after the national anthems at the end of Formula 1 races. I was roped into
tech work in film and theatre and enjoy a good musical.

Mensa mixed the Boston literati with scientists and engineers, usually
successfully. Yes, the puns flew thickly. There was relatively little
drinking at parties because they all were too busy talking. Generally I
could keep up with everything, even Baroque composers, but if the topic
drifted too far off a couple of us amateur historians would start discussing
the battles on the Russian Front. High tech was also usually off the table
although Byte's publisher Wayne Green was a member, as was Richard Lederer,
the author of Get Thee to a Punnery.

The captain of the state high school quiz show championship team came to a
Trivial Pursuit night and left with his jaw hanging down because we blew him
away so thoroughly.

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 by: Gerry - Wed, 3 May 2023 03:38 UTC

On Tue, 2 May 2023 21:51:24 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
<muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:u2rs56$rr1k$2@dont-email.me...
>
>I don't "get" poetry other than something like Ogden Nash. A bit of
>rhyme and dash of humor with it. I suspect that poetry and grammer
>enthusiasts view wordplay much as I appreciate a good mechanical
>mechanism that makes no sense to them ;-)
>Leon Fisk
>
>-----------------
>
>I've tried to pick up some "culture" but not that much stuck. I like
>"Carmen" for the lively music and Western-type story, its overture plays
>after the national anthems at the end of Formula 1 races. I was roped into
>tech work in film and theatre and enjoy a good musical.
>
>Mensa mixed the Boston literati with scientists and engineers, usually
>successfully. Yes, the puns flew thickly. There was relatively little
>drinking at parties because they all were too busy talking. Generally I
>could keep up with everything, even Baroque composers, but if the topic
>drifted too far off a couple of us amateur historians would start discussing
>the battles on the Russian Front. High tech was also usually off the table
>although Byte's publisher Wayne Green was a member, as was Richard Lederer,
>the author of Get Thee to a Punnery.
>
>The captain of the state high school quiz show championship team came to a
>Trivial Pursuit night and left with his jaw hanging down because we blew him
>away so thoroughly.
I used to see some very odd responces when I posed a question to a
foriegn born designer who would translate my querry into his/her birth
language; come up with a response and translate that into english. I
discussed this with a foriegn born freind one time and he agreed that
he sometimes did this even after working in English for over twenty
years even though he had made a cosious effort to eliminate the
process after about eight years

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Wed, 3 May 2023 11:31 UTC

"Gerry" wrote in message news:o2l35id94k4cdk9mi3lfhsn6u4qedj18lk@4ax.com...

I used to see some very odd responces when I posed a question to a
foriegn born designer who would translate my querry into his/her birth
language; come up with a response and translate that into english. I
discussed this with a foriegn born freind one time and he agreed that
he sometimes did this even after working in English for over twenty
years even though he had made a cosious effort to eliminate the
process after about eight years

--------------------

English is largely a forced mix of Saxon German and Norman French, which is
why it has so many synonyms with slightly different meanings, one from each.
They make it more expressive if you know them, confusing if you don't.
French and English translate word-for-word awkwardly but relatively
understandably while German may have to be restructured to be
comprehensible, word-for-word translations may not make sense. I'm slowly
learning to understand the patterns of Chinglish.

My vocabulary is insufficient to think seriously in either of them.

I have this in both languages and the very natural sounding English version
shifts ideas into different sentences, it was translated by paragraph.
https://www.biblio.com/book/luftwaffe-war-diaries-angriffshohe-4000-cajus/d/1452648050

Looking at how the Bible has been translated from Hebrew/Greek to Latin to
English, it's easy to see why versions can differ. Even the Roman-era
originals that survived don't match each other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_uncial_codices

Dancer Carrie Ann Inaba who is part Japanese but can't read it got a tattoo
that was intended to mean Courageous Love. It actually translates to Rough
Sex.

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 by: Bob La Londe - Wed, 3 May 2023 16:11 UTC

On 5/3/2023 4:31 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Gerry"  wrote in message
> news:o2l35id94k4cdk9mi3lfhsn6u4qedj18lk@4ax.com...
>
> I used to see some very odd responces when I posed a question to a
> foriegn born designer who would translate my querry into his/her birth
> language; come up with a response and translate that into english. I
> discussed this with a foriegn born freind one time and he agreed that
> he sometimes did this even after working in English for over twenty
> years even though he had made a cosious effort to eliminate the
> process after about eight years
>
> --------------------
>
> English is largely a forced mix of Saxon German and Norman French, which
> is why it has so many synonyms with slightly different meanings, one
> from each. They make it more expressive if you know them, confusing if
> you don't. French and English translate word-for-word awkwardly but
> relatively understandably while German may have to be restructured to be
> comprehensible, word-for-word translations may not make sense. I'm
> slowly learning to understand the patterns of Chinglish.
>
> My vocabulary is insufficient to think seriously in either of them.
>
> I have this in both languages and the very natural sounding English
> version shifts ideas into different sentences, it was translated by
> paragraph.
> https://www.biblio.com/book/luftwaffe-war-diaries-angriffshohe-4000-cajus/d/1452648050
>
> Looking at how the Bible has been translated from Hebrew/Greek to Latin
> to English, it's easy to see why versions can differ. Even the Roman-era
> originals that survived don't match each other.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_uncial_codices
>
> Dancer Carrie Ann Inaba who is part Japanese but can't read it got a
> tattoo that was intended to mean Courageous Love. It actually translates
> to Rough Sex.
>

That is hysterical.

Personal perspective.

I don't really speak Spanish after living in a bilingual part of the
country my entire life. I got good grades in conversational Spanish in
college because I am good at taking tests and learning rules. I don't
actually speak more than pidgeon Spanish. "Donde el bano", "tu quero
cervesa," "yo gusto uno por favor," e no mas mucho. I do however make
local native spanish speakers think I am more fluent than I am because I
have a fair peasant accent when speaking Spanish having learned most of
it from farm workers. Sadly when somebody rattles off Spanish in my
vicinity I typically only catch a few words. Things like pinche gringo
are easy to catch.

However, when I spent a fair amount of time in Mexico installing and
servicing some video surveillance systems (I was there often enough and
long enough I had to renew my Mexican work visa twice). I would start
to get immersion thought process changes. I would start thinking in
pidgeon Spanish and understand the meaning of what people where saying
from context because I could follow the speech patterns. It was purely
temporary. Two or three days, certainly within a week, back in an
"American English" speaking environment and it is gone.

That being said I firmly believe that immersion is the best way to learn
a language. Where I live now nearly every native Spanish (or rather
Mexican Spanish) speaker is competent if not fluent in American English.
They see the white guy and they speak English. Just across the border
in San Luis or Algondones most merchants speak atleast a little better
than pidgeon English, and I can usually get my points across well enough
to find out if they expect to negotiate or not. I do not consider that
to be immersion. You get just a little way from the border away from
tourist destinations and even if they speak English they won't. Cuervos
or Morelos, etc. Just a little way from the border, and you better
atleast know basic phrases or you will go thirsty and shit yourself.
That's not really immersion though. You spend much time there and
people learn you aren't a rubbernecking dirt bag tourist and show some
respect and they open up and you find many of them will help you and
they speak more English than they let on. If I really wanted to learn
Spanish I think the thing to do would be to rent an apartment in a
middle class working neighborhood in Mexico city. My work visa is long
expired and didn't actually allow me to hold local jobs anyway so I
would have to have a good reason to be there. Student, retired, but not
rich, etc. Make friends. Bake to many pies and give them to neighbors,
etc. Live with my neighbors.

There may be other great reasons for college students to spend a year
abroad, but I think this is probably the best reason. Forced immersion
to become competent in a language that is not your native one. To learn
to think in your field of study and learn the thought process and logic
flow of a different system of speech. Often a much better structured
logic flow than English. Acceptable American English has somewhat
chaotic logic flow, and may well be the cause of some people not being
able to express their ideas well. They were never taught to force their
thoughts into a logical flow and structure. The inverse is that its
complicated and chaotic rules can sometimes allow for the rapid
expression of very complex ideas. I have found myself giving an
instruction to an employee only to see an expression of absolute and
utter confusion spread across their face. I'll stop, play back what I
said in my head, and think, "No I gave them everything they needed to
know. Why do they look totally befuddled?"

Worse, even with all its chaotic rules, once you start to learn how to
write English within them a mid level writing teacher will teach you
there are times to break the rules. Sure a staccato list of simple
sentences to pass on facts are easy to understand, and if you break them
up with a few compound sentences to reiterate key points you make it
less tedious to read, but if you want to have people follow you down the
rabbit hole there are times when only a run on sentence will do the job.
No, "It was a dark and stormy night," is NOT a good example.

Mild Tangent: Language can shape thought. There are one or two ways
this has been presented in science fiction, but at the moment I can't
think of any of the titles. If I do and can still find this thread I'll
post them. I think its also why Esperanto never caught on. Its all
structure and no meat. It has no soul and no rich embodiment of
humanity as nearly every other language does. It shapes nothing. In
the end we are not machines. We are meat and we make noise by pushing
air through wet flappy meat.

Extra Credit: There is a great science fiction short story by Terry
Bisson that embodies my last sentence above. Its not really "directly"
about language, but it is one of the tenants of appreciating the premise.

http://www.terrybisson.com/theyre-made-out-of-meat-2/

Wild Tangent: Most of you have probably already read it, but its one of
my favorites. Right up there with Larry Niven's "Man of Steel, Woman of
Kleenex."

--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
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 by: Jim Wilkins - Wed, 3 May 2023 17:04 UTC

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u2u12t$1bjjh$1@dont-email.me...

On 5/3/2023 4:31 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
> Dancer Carrie Ann Inaba who is part Japanese but can't read it got a
> tattoo that was intended to mean Courageous Love. It actually translates
> to Rough Sex.

That is hysterical.

-----------------------------

She is hysterical, ad-libbing her craziness on live network TV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE7aF4pPDLY

Niecy Nash became very upset that the DWTS judges could out-do her as
sarcastic comedians.

I never studied Spanish but thanks to Latin and French I can partly read it.
I didn't really understand English until I encountered the fully structured
rules of grammar in Latin. I think English is powerful for the freedom and
adaptability it allows, despite its messiness.

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 by: Bob La Londe - Thu, 4 May 2023 16:39 UTC

On 4/30/2023 2:49 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 4/30/2023 12:11 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>
>>
>> In the mean time I guess I'll have to go grab my 29 year old Campbell
>> Hausfeld roll around out of the garage to run the shop air.  I don't
>> think it will carry the whole shop, but I can probably use one or two
>> machines at a time with it.
>>
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
>
> Got it about 2/3 of the over to the shop, and a wheel fell off.
>
> I guess 29 years in the Arizona heat is a bit much for those plastic
> wheels.
>
>
>

UPS is almost back to their normal level of incompetence. USPS has
picked a "new normal" that while a lower quality of service than it once
was is consistent. Sadly Fed-Ex hasn't changed a bit.

Friday 5/5/2023 by end of day
estimated between 12:30 pm - 4:30 pm

Initially expected: Wednesday, 5/3/2023

The new motor I bought independently is stuck in Chino Ca.  The same
place that has managed to break multiple other heavy packages.  I
honestly think their are guys there who espouse an active hatred of
unloading heavy packages to they just push them out of the truck onto
the concrete below.  They say it will be here Friday, but I won't hold
my breath.  When it gets delayed in Chino they often do nothing until I
can beg, plead, and if necessary bully the shipper into filing a claim.

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 by: Bob La Londe - Fri, 5 May 2023 21:07 UTC

On 5/4/2023 9:39 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 4/30/2023 2:49 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 4/30/2023 12:11 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In the mean time I guess I'll have to go grab my 29 year old Campbell
>>> Hausfeld roll around out of the garage to run the shop air.  I don't
>>> think it will carry the whole shop, but I can probably use one or two
>>> machines at a time with it.
>>>
>>
>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
>>
>> Got it about 2/3 of the over to the shop, and a wheel fell off.
>>
>> I guess 29 years in the Arizona heat is a bit much for those plastic
>> wheels.
>>
>>
>>
>
> UPS is almost back to their normal level of incompetence. USPS has
> picked a "new normal" that while a lower quality of service than it once
> was is consistent. Sadly Fed-Ex hasn't changed a bit.
>
> Friday 5/5/2023 by end of day
> estimated between 12:30 pm - 4:30 pm
>
> Initially expected: Wednesday, 5/3/2023
>
> The new motor I bought independently is stuck in Chino Ca.  The same
> place that has managed to break multiple other heavy packages.  I
> honestly think their are guys there who espouse an active hatred of
> unloading heavy packages to they just push them out of the truck onto
> the concrete below.  They say it will be here Friday, but I won't hold
> my breath.  When it gets delayed in Chino they often do nothing until I
> can beg, plead, and if necessary bully the shipper into filing a claim.
>
>

I'm stunned. The motor I was waiting on to get my shop air going again
arrived today only two days late, and it doesn't even look like the guys
in Chino pushed it off the back of the truck and dropped it. No clue
why they held it up for two extra days though. There is actually
nothing wrong with the box, the original packing tape is all intact, and
the original shipping label is clear and undamaged. I fired up the air
compressor about an hour ago. Now I am debating working or going fishing.

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 by: Leon Fisk - Fri, 5 May 2023 21:18 UTC

On Fri, 5 May 2023 14:07:23 -0700
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

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>Now I am debating working or going fishing.

Cool! Hard to argue about whether it was the motor or not too👍

Enough STRESS, go fishing ;-)

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Grand Rapids MI

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Fri, 5 May 2023 21:42 UTC

"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:u33rrs$2f592$1@dont-email.me...

On Fri, 5 May 2023 14:07:23 -0700
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

<snip>
>Now I am debating working or going fishing.

Cool! Hard to argue about whether it was the motor or not too👍

Enough STRESS, go fishing ;-)

Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

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Agreed, it's time to de-compress.

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 by: Bob La Londe - Fri, 5 May 2023 23:27 UTC

On 5/5/2023 2:42 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
>
> "Leon Fisk"  wrote in message news:u33rrs$2f592$1@dont-email.me...
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> On Fri, 5 May 2023 14:07:23 -0700
> Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> Now I am debating working or going fishing.
>
> Cool! Hard to argue about whether it was the motor or not too👍
>
> Enough STRESS, go fishing ;-)
>
> Leon Fisk
> Grand Rapids  MI
>
> ----------------------
>
> Agreed, it's time to de-compress.
>

I went ahead and ran jobs. Its kind of a bit of a relief to walk in the
little machine room and see three machines running at the same time.
Now if only I could quit screwing up jobs.

I was running a job yesterday on just one machine. Its got unequal
gating due to the shape of the mold cavities. I was running a small
batch job and just after it cut the first pair of gates I paused the
machine because I think I got the unequal gate depth backwards. I
checked the CAM, seemed like it was right so I went back and hit resume.

Today I was finally inspecting the plate... and nope! I was wrong the
first time. Frack! Its a stock design so it has some value as
"rejects" but I'd rather have done it right and sold them at full price.

A custom job I am running is also flaking out. For some reason the CAM
wants to jump around on the finish passes breaking cutters. I can't
figure out why so I finally told it to use the old slow, no efficiency
calculations scan line method. It will take the job an extra hour, but
that's still faster than doing it over again. It didn't show up in cut
simulation. The simulator just shows the results of the tool paths.
Double Frack! I already scrapped one plate. I paused the other one and
was able to resume with a new code file atleast.

You guys are right. I should have gone fishing.

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Sat, 6 May 2023 01:32 UTC

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You guys are right. I should have gone fishing.

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I spent much of yesterday fighting a frozen 50-year-old toilet shutoff
valve. After I managed to disassemble, clean, grease and reassemble it, and
replace the tank fill valve, I took a break long enough to forget everything
and then went back to test it, and could see the remaining problems with
fresh eyes.

As a theatre set carpenter I was taught to periodically go out to the seats
to view scenery I'd built as though I was seeing it for the first time, to
catch anything out-of-place that I'd become accustomed to (before the
director mentioned it).

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On Fri, 5 May 2023 17:42:52 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
<muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:u33rrs$2f592$1@dont-email.me...
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>Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
>
><snip>
>>Now I am debating working or going fishing.
>
>Cool! Hard to argue about whether it was the motor or not too?
>
>Enough STRESS, go fishing ;-)
>
>Leon Fisk
>Grand Rapids MI
>
>----------------------
>
>Agreed, it's time to de-compress.
Besides, it might rain tomorrow!

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On 5/5/2023 8:32 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u343cm$2hemk$1@dont-email.me...
>
> You guys are right.  I should have gone fishing.
>
> ----------------------
>
> I spent much of yesterday fighting a frozen 50-year-old toilet shutoff
> valve. After I managed to disassemble, clean, grease and reassemble it,
> and replace the tank fill valve, I took a break long enough to forget
> everything and then went back to test it, and could see the remaining
> problems with fresh eyes.
>
> As a theatre set carpenter I was taught to periodically go out to the
> seats to view scenery I'd built as though I was seeing it for the first
> time, to catch anything out-of-place that I'd become accustomed to
> (before the director mentioned it).
>

I spent the better [art of the day working on the SUV ... several
years ago it blew a spark plug out of the head . When I repaired it I
didn't use loctite on the insert , and apparently didn't flare the
"lock" at the top enough . It came out on the way to town . Lucky me all
I had to do was clean up the threads and install a new insert . With
loctite and made sure I flared the top enough with the supplied tool .
Also had to replace a coil pack , total repair cost was about 60 bucks .
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 by: Leon Fisk - Sat, 6 May 2023 13:28 UTC

On Fri, 5 May 2023 16:27:17 -0700
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

<snip>
>You guys are right. I should have gone fishing.

I would have done the same thing, get work done and keep dreaming about
goofing off. 'Tis my nature even though I would be better off taking a
break ;-)

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Sat, 6 May 2023 21:26 UTC

"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:u35klu$2qahv$1@dont-email.me...

On Fri, 5 May 2023 16:27:17 -0700
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

<snip>
>You guys are right. I should have gone fishing.

I would have done the same thing, get work done and keep dreaming about
goofing off. 'Tis my nature even though I would be better off taking a
break ;-)

Leon Fisk

--------------------

I used to, until I realized that it was costing me a second day's work
correcting the rushed and distracted mistakes of the first. I don't think
"Press On, Regardless" applies to careful craftsmanship.

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 by: Leon Fisk - Sun, 7 May 2023 12:34 UTC

On Sat, 6 May 2023 17:26:03 -0400
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<snip>
>I used to, until I realized that it was costing me a second day's work
>correcting the rushed and distracted mistakes of the first. I don't think
>"Press On, Regardless" applies to careful craftsmanship.

It's a lose-lose case for me. Won't be any joy in goofing off knowing
there is work I really should be doing :(

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Grand Rapids MI

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Sun, 7 May 2023 16:22 UTC

"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:u385s7$3ccbu$1@dont-email.me...

On Sat, 6 May 2023 17:26:03 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
>I used to, until I realized that it was costing me a second day's work
>correcting the rushed and distracted mistakes of the first. I don't think
>"Press On, Regardless" applies to careful craftsmanship.

It's a lose-lose case for me. Won't be any joy in goofing off knowing
there is work I really should be doing :(

Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

-----------------------------

I don't just goof off, I concentrate on some easier task until the
frustration has worn off (and the Kroil soaked in). I finished several
other spring projects between sessions of struggling with the catalytic
converter bolts and the toilet shutoff valve.

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 by: Bob La Londe - Sun, 7 May 2023 16:53 UTC

On 5/7/2023 9:22 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Leon Fisk"  wrote in message news:u385s7$3ccbu$1@dont-email.me...
>
> On Sat, 6 May 2023 17:26:03 -0400
> "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> I used to, until I realized that it was costing me a second day's work
>> correcting the rushed and distracted mistakes of the first. I don't think
>> "Press On, Regardless" applies to careful craftsmanship.
>
> It's a lose-lose case for me. Won't be any joy in goofing off knowing
> there is work I really should be doing :(
>
> Leon Fisk
> Grand Rapids  MI
>
> -----------------------------
>
> I don't just goof off, I concentrate on some easier task until the
> frustration has worn off (and the Kroil soaked in).  I finished several
> other spring projects between sessions of struggling with the catalytic
> converter bolts and the toilet shutoff valve.
>

One of the issues I have is that as a contractor I really knew my stuff.
I solved problems and fixed them simultaneously. Working late to
finish a job so the school/office/business could open the next day
undisturbed was something I often did (if they were paying for it). As
a "machinist" I kinda know my stuff, but not with the instinctiveness
(real word???) of having done it for nearly 30 years. I have to force
myself to back off sometimes.

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Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff

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 by: Bob La Londe - Mon, 8 May 2023 15:54 UTC

On 5/7/2023 9:53 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 5/7/2023 9:22 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "Leon Fisk"  wrote in message news:u385s7$3ccbu$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On Sat, 6 May 2023 17:26:03 -0400
>> "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> I used to, until I realized that it was costing me a second day's work
>>> correcting the rushed and distracted mistakes of the first. I don't
>>> think
>>> "Press On, Regardless" applies to careful craftsmanship.
>>
>> It's a lose-lose case for me. Won't be any joy in goofing off knowing
>> there is work I really should be doing :(
>>
>> Leon Fisk
>> Grand Rapids  MI
>>
>> -----------------------------
>>
>> I don't just goof off, I concentrate on some easier task until the
>> frustration has worn off (and the Kroil soaked in).  I finished
>> several other spring projects between sessions of struggling with the
>> catalytic converter bolts and the toilet shutoff valve.
>>
>
> One of the issues I have is that as a contractor I really knew my stuff.
>  I solved problems and fixed them simultaneously.  Working late to
> finish a job so the school/office/business could open the next day
> undisturbed was something I often did (if they were paying for it).  As
> a "machinist" I kinda know my stuff, but not with the instinctiveness
> (real word???) of having done it for nearly 30 years.  I have to force
> myself to back off sometimes.
>
>

As to going fishing... technically it is business. Since I primarily
make molds for the fishing tackle industry I could keep a log and claim
most of my fishing related gear, fuel, and maybe even a percentage of
vehicles and boats as product research and promotion. When I fished
tournaments of course I claimed my occasional winnings as income. The
IRS would like to see detailed records breaking down how it is business
related. I do test my own designs, and occasionally customer designs.
I do use what I learn to improve my own designs and to provide feedback
for customers, but I don't go fishing to work. Once in a while I'll
snag somebody to help shoot promotional video, but I mostly go fishing
because I like to go fishing. I do not treat my time on the water like
a job. I don't keep a log or books for time spent fishing and I don't
claim any expenses from it. I could pay less taxes lawfully if I did,
but I wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much.

--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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 by: Bob La Londe - Sun, 14 May 2023 18:26 UTC

On 4/30/2023 12:11 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> Just barely over a year ago I bought a 5HP Ingersol Rand compressor for
> my shop to replace the 3.7HP Lowes Kobalt compressor that had supplied
> the shop's air for just over 4 years previously.
>
> I walked in the shop this morning with a plan to knock out a few jobs
> and catch up a little bit.  I'm modifying some work pallets to mount in
> vises on the table rather than have to remove the vises to mount them to
> the table.  I got lucky and figured out a way to block them up in the
> vises on the manual mill in the back, and then proceeded to blow the
> chips off the vise surfaces.
>
> NO AIR.  I had not turned the compressor off last night as I normally
> do, so I was rather surprised.
>
> Breaker is not tripped.  Pressure switch is working.  Good voltage
> inside the motor cover.  Thermal is not tripped.  Caps not blown, and
> they do their slow charge thing when I slap a continuity tester on them.
>  I don't know where my cap tester meter is, but I'm fairly confident
> the caps are okay.  The motor is just dead.
>
> Original IR warranty is only 1 year, but I bought a 2 year extended
> warranty.  Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be one of those warranties
> that are the reason I don't usually buy extended warranties.
>
> In the mean time I guess I'll have to go grab my 29 year old Campbell
> Hausfeld roll around out of the garage to run the shop air.  I don't
> think it will carry the whole shop, but I can probably use one or two
> machines at a time with it.
>

Just for the heck of it I dropped a message off to Ingersol Rand back
when this misadventure started. Today I am editorializing their
response I received today.

A motor failure at 13 months and your response is, "Hey, we can sell you
another shitty motor, cash in on your stupidity for buying from us, and
screw you again."

Hard pass. If you have something other than capitalizing and
profiteering on my poor choice of a compressor to offer feel free to let
me know what that is. Otherwise don't waste our time.

I don't think will buy another Ingersol Rand Tool compressor based on
the opinions I formed based on my actual experience with this one. I
probably won't buy another IR anything, but another modestly big ticket
item. Sorry, I can't afford to play roulette against the house.

--
Bob La Londe
Owner, chef, cook, bottle washer, and FINAL decision maker.

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