The launch of the James Webb telescope led me to make a comparison
between the practical achievements of those whose work is rooted in
physics and those who reject modern physics.

First the real physicists and those who apply their discoveries (not
just physicists, but also engineers, who don't necessarily understand
the physics but apply it anyway):

Electronic computers (and electronics in general)
Nuclear power
GPS technology
Placing satellites in predetermined orbits
Landing space vehicles on distant planets
Radiocommunication and television
X-ray crystallography
Development of vaccines that work
Trains that travel at 300 km/h or more
Airliners that criss-cross the world
Floating hotels ("cruise ships") that clog up the ports
Nuclear weapons
.... Too many others to list them all. One doesn't need to think of each
of these as a Good Thing to recognize the expertise that went into its
production.

Now the practical achievements of Pentcho Valev, Richard Hertz and
other crackpots:

I haven't been able to think of anything to put here: can anyone help?

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 10:55:25 UTC+1, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

> First the real physicists and those who apply their discoveries (not
> just physicists, but also engineers, who don't necessarily understand
> the physics but apply it anyway):
>
> Electronic computers (and electronics in general)
> Nuclear power
> GPS technology
> Placing satellites in predetermined orbits
> Landing space vehicles on distant planets
> Radiocommunication and television
> X-ray crystallography
> Development of vaccines that work
> Trains that travel at 300 km/h or more
> Airliners that criss-cross the world
> Floating hotels ("cruise ships") that clog up the ports
> Nuclear weapons
> ... Too many others to list them all. One doesn't need to think of each
> of these as a Good Thing to recognize the expertise that went into its
> production.

In the meantime in the real world, however, forbidden
by your moronic religion TAI keep measuring t'=t, just
like all serious clocks always did. The moronic screams
"we're FORCED!!!" performed by your fellow idiots simply
didn't work.

On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 11:26:08 UTC+1, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 10:55:25 UTC+1, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>
> > First the real physicists and those who apply their discoveries (not
> > just physicists, but also engineers, who don't necessarily understand
> > the physics but apply it anyway):
> >
> > Electronic computers (and electronics in general)
> > Nuclear power
> > GPS technology
> > Placing satellites in predetermined orbits
> > Landing space vehicles on distant planets
> > Radiocommunication and television
> > X-ray crystallography
> > Development of vaccines that work
> > Trains that travel at 300 km/h or more
> > Airliners that criss-cross the world
> > Floating hotels ("cruise ships") that clog up the ports
> > Nuclear weapons
> > ... Too many others to list them all. One doesn't need to think of each
> > of these as a Good Thing to recognize the expertise that went into its
> > production.
> In the meantime in the real world, however, forbidden
> by your moronic religion TAI keep measuring t'=t, just
> like all serious clocks always did. The moronic screams
> "we're FORCED!!!" performed by your fellow idiots simply
> didn't work.

Well, seems that some not understanding your idiocies
engineers simply can't realize that they are FORCED; their
minds may be polluted by common sense, this well known
collection of prejudices.

On 2021-12-28 10:26:06 +0000, Maciej Wozniak said:

> On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 10:55:25 UTC+1, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>
>> First the real physicists and those who apply their discoveries (not
>> just physicists, but also engineers, who don't necessarily understand
>> the physics but apply it anyway):
>>
>> Electronic computers (and electronics in general)
>> Nuclear power
>> GPS technology
>> Placing satellites in predetermined orbits
>> Landing space vehicles on distant planets
>> Radiocommunication and television
>> X-ray crystallography
>> Development of vaccines that work
>> Trains that travel at 300 km/h or more
>> Airliners that criss-cross the world
>> Floating hotels ("cruise ships") that clog up the ports
>> Nuclear weapons
>> ... Too many others to list them all. One doesn't need to think of each
>> of these as a Good Thing to recognize the expertise that went into its
>> production.
>
> In the meantime in the real world, however, forbidden
> by your moronic religion TAI keep measuring t'=t, just
> like all serious clocks always did. The moronic screams
> "we're FORCED!!!" performed by your fellow idiots simply
> didn't work.

In other words you have no examples to offer. Who is surprised?

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 11:45:23 UTC+1, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2021-12-28 10:26:06 +0000, Maciej Wozniak said:
>
> > On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 10:55:25 UTC+1, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >
> >> First the real physicists and those who apply their discoveries (not
> >> just physicists, but also engineers, who don't necessarily understand
> >> the physics but apply it anyway):
> >>
> >> Electronic computers (and electronics in general)
> >> Nuclear power
> >> GPS technology
> >> Placing satellites in predetermined orbits
> >> Landing space vehicles on distant planets
> >> Radiocommunication and television
> >> X-ray crystallography
> >> Development of vaccines that work
> >> Trains that travel at 300 km/h or more
> >> Airliners that criss-cross the world
> >> Floating hotels ("cruise ships") that clog up the ports
> >> Nuclear weapons
> >> ... Too many others to list them all. One doesn't need to think of each
> >> of these as a Good Thing to recognize the expertise that went into its
> >> production.
> >
> > In the meantime in the real world, however, forbidden
> > by your moronic religion TAI keep measuring t'=t, just
> > like all serious clocks always did. The moronic screams
> > "we're FORCED!!!" performed by your fellow idiots simply
> > didn't work.
> In other words you have no examples to offer. Who is surprised?

Oh, yes, I have many of them. Surprise!
Electronic computers (and electronics in general)
Nuclear power
GPS technology
Placing satellites in predetermined orbits
Landing space vehicles on distant planets
Radiocommunication and television
X-ray crystallography
Development of vaccines that work
Trains that travel at 300 km/h or more
Airliners that criss-cross the world
Floating hotels ("cruise ships") that clog up the ports
Nuclear weapons
All of them were made by cranks obeying common
sense (this collection of prejudices) and applying
basic Euclidean math, announced false by your
idiot guru because so.

On 28-Dec-21 8:55 pm, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> The launch of the James Webb telescope led me to make a comparison
> between the practical achievements of those whose work is rooted in
> physics and those who reject modern physics.
>
> First the real physicists and those who apply their discoveries (not
> just physicists, but also engineers, who don't necessarily understand
> the physics but apply it anyway):
>
> Electronic computers (and electronics in general)
> Nuclear power
> GPS technology
> Placing satellites in predetermined orbits
> Landing space vehicles on distant planets
> Radiocommunication and television
> X-ray crystallography
> Development of vaccines that work
> Trains that travel at 300 km/h or more
> Airliners that criss-cross the world
> Floating hotels ("cruise ships") that clog up the ports
> Nuclear weapons
> ... Too many others to list them all. One doesn't need to think of each
> of these as a Good Thing to recognize the expertise that went into its
> production.
>
> Now the practical achievements of Pentcho Valev, Richard Hertz and other
> crackpots:
>
> I haven't been able to think of anything to put here: can anyone help?
>
>
>

They've created a universe of their own devising. We're just waiting for
them to move there.

Sylvia.

On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 12:07:06 UTC+1, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 28-Dec-21 8:55 pm, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > The launch of the James Webb telescope led me to make a comparison
> > between the practical achievements of those whose work is rooted in
> > physics and those who reject modern physics.
> >
> > First the real physicists and those who apply their discoveries (not
> > just physicists, but also engineers, who don't necessarily understand
> > the physics but apply it anyway):
> >
> > Electronic computers (and electronics in general)
> > Nuclear power
> > GPS technology
> > Placing satellites in predetermined orbits
> > Landing space vehicles on distant planets
> > Radiocommunication and television
> > X-ray crystallography
> > Development of vaccines that work
> > Trains that travel at 300 km/h or more
> > Airliners that criss-cross the world
> > Floating hotels ("cruise ships") that clog up the ports
> > Nuclear weapons
> > ... Too many others to list them all. One doesn't need to think of each
> > of these as a Good Thing to recognize the expertise that went into its
> > production.
> >
> > Now the practical achievements of Pentcho Valev, Richard Hertz and other
> > crackpots:
> >
> > I haven't been able to think of anything to put here: can anyone help?
> >
> >
> >
> They've created a universe of their own devising. We're just waiting for
> them to move there.

Sorry, Sylvia, Your gedankenwelt is Your construction, not mine.
And You've already moved there.

Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

> The launch of the James Webb telescope led me to make a comparison
> between the practical achievements of those whose work is rooted in
> physics and those who reject modern physics.
>
> First the real physicists and those who apply their discoveries (not
> just physicists, but also engineers, who don't necessarily understand
> the physics but apply it anyway):
>
> Electronic computers (and electronics in general)
> Nuclear power
> GPS technology
> Placing satellites in predetermined orbits
> Landing space vehicles on distant planets
> Radiocommunication and television
> X-ray crystallography
> Development of vaccines that work
> Trains that travel at 300 km/h or more
> Airliners that criss-cross the world
> Floating hotels ("cruise ships") that clog up the ports
> Nuclear weapons

A grumpy old professor I knew long ago always scoffed at those
who flaunt the applications (like bombs and transistor radios)
as justification for doing fundamental sciene.
He never revealed which he considered to be worse,
but I guess it was transitor radios.

> ... Too many others to list them all. One doesn't need to think of each
> of these as a Good Thing to recognize the expertise that went into its
> production.
>
> Now the practical achievements of Pentcho Valev, Richard Hertz and
> other crackpots:
>
> I haven't been able to think of anything to put here: can anyone help?

They do succeed in keeping people like you and me,
(with curiosity about how far human crazyness can go)
off the streets for at least a small part of the day,

Jan

--
"Physics is like sex. Sure, it may give some practical results,
but that's not why we do it." (Richard Feynman)

On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 13:43:55 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>
> > The launch of the James Webb telescope led me to make a comparison
> > between the practical achievements of those whose work is rooted in
> > physics and those who reject modern physics.
> >
> > First the real physicists and those who apply their discoveries (not
> > just physicists, but also engineers, who don't necessarily understand
> > the physics but apply it anyway):
> >
> > Electronic computers (and electronics in general)
> > Nuclear power
> > GPS technology
> > Placing satellites in predetermined orbits
> > Landing space vehicles on distant planets
> > Radiocommunication and television
> > X-ray crystallography
> > Development of vaccines that work
> > Trains that travel at 300 km/h or more
> > Airliners that criss-cross the world
> > Floating hotels ("cruise ships") that clog up the ports
> > Nuclear weapons
> A grumpy old professor I knew long ago always scoffed at those
> who flaunt the applications (like bombs and transistor radios)
> as justification for doing fundamental sciene.
> He never revealed which he considered to be worse,
> but I guess it was transitor radios.
> > ... Too many others to list them all. One doesn't need to think of each
> > of these as a Good Thing to recognize the expertise that went into its
> > production.
> >
> > Now the practical achievements of Pentcho Valev, Richard Hertz and
> > other crackpots:
> >
> > I haven't been able to think of anything to put here: can anyone help?
> They do succeed in keeping people like you and me,
> (with curiosity about how far human crazyness can go)
> off the streets for at least a small part of the day,

And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by
your moronic religion TAI keep measuring t'=t, just
like all serious clocks always did.

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Well, seems that some not understanding your idiocies
> engineers simply can't realize that they are FORCED; their
> minds may be polluted by common sense, this well known
> collection of prejudices.
>

Yeah you sure showed all those people. You don’t understand relativity, and
so the proper response is to call it an idiocy and say you win if you
refuse to comply.

I’m sure that approach works well for school children who have gotten a
failing mark in a school course. They simply tell their parents that it’s
an idiocy that makes no sense and that they refuse to be forced to believe
it. I’ll bet that goes over really well.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 15:42:14 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Well, seems that some not understanding your idiocies
> > engineers simply can't realize that they are FORCED; their
> > minds may be polluted by common sense, this well known
> > collection of prejudices.
> >
> Yeah you sure showed all those people. You don’t understand relativity, and
> so the proper response is to call it an idiocy and say you win if you
> refuse to comply.

Yeah, you've sure showed me; you've said I don't understand.
I’m sure that approach works well for school children who have gotten a
failing mark in a school course. They simply tell their parents
the teachers don't understand.

Unfortunately, you're openly admitting that your Shit is lacking
common sense; check the thesaurus, "idiotic" and "lacking
common sense" are synonyms. Of course, if a thesaurus
say anything you don't like it must be wrong; you know the
synonyms better than the thesaurus; as usual, you know
everything better than anything or anyone. That's called
"megalomania".

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 15:42:14 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well, seems that some not understanding your idiocies
>>> engineers simply can't realize that they are FORCED; their
>>> minds may be polluted by common sense, this well known
>>> collection of prejudices.
>>>
>> Yeah you sure showed all those people. You don’t understand relativity, and
>> so the proper response is to call it an idiocy and say you win if you
>> refuse to comply.
>
> Yeah, you've sure showed me; you've said I don't understand.

Correction: YOU said you didn’t understand the idiocies. And for sure, you
do not understand relativity. That’s obvious.

> I’m sure that approach works well for school children who have gotten a
> failing mark in a school course. They simply tell their parents
> the teachers don't understand.
>
> Unfortunately, you're openly admitting that your Shit is lacking
> common sense; check the thesaurus, "idiotic" and "lacking
> common sense" are synonyms. Of course, if a thesaurus
> say anything you don't like it must be wrong; you know the
> synonyms better than the thesaurus; as usual, you know
> everything better than anything or anyone. That's called
> "megalomania".
>
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 16:00:40 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 15:42:14 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Well, seems that some not understanding your idiocies
> >>> engineers simply can't realize that they are FORCED; their
> >>> minds may be polluted by common sense, this well known
> >>> collection of prejudices.
> >>>
> >> Yeah you sure showed all those people. You don’t understand relativity, and
> >> so the proper response is to call it an idiocy and say you win if you
> >> refuse to comply.
> >
> > Yeah, you've sure showed me; you've said I don't understand.
> Correction: YOU said you didn’t understand the idiocies.

No, I didn't. You're fabricating again, as expected
from a relativistic stinker.

> And for sure, you
> do not understand relativity. That’s obvious.

You're a rejecting common sense fanatic idiot, Bod, your
obviousnesses are worthless.

Unfortunately, you're openly admitting that your Shit is lacking
common sense; check the thesaurus, "idiotic" and "lacking
common sense" are synonyms. Of course, if a thesaurus
say anything you don't like it must be wrong; you know the
synonyms better than the thesaurus; as usual, you know
everything better than anything or anyone. That's called
"megalomania".

On 12/28/2021 9:42 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, seems that some not understanding your idiocies
>> engineers simply can't realize that they are FORCED; their
>> minds may be polluted by common sense, this well known
>> collection of prejudices.
>>
>
> Yeah you sure showed all those people. You don’t understand relativity, and
> so the proper response is to call it an idiocy and say you win if you
> refuse to comply.
>
> I’m sure that approach works well for school children who have gotten a
> failing mark in a school course. They simply tell their parents that it’s
> an idiocy that makes no sense and that they refuse to be forced to believe
> it. I’ll bet that goes over really well.
>

A better example would be if Woz disbelieved in gravity instead. He
would claim that he would not be FORCED to go along with the laws of
gravity, and might perhaps don a cape, stretch his arms over his head
and leap off a tall building in a single bound. It is at that point
that we'd hope he's safe in a locked hospital ward. At least he's
unlikely to endanger himself declaring he won't be FORCED to obey
relativity.

And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by
Wozniak's moronic religion, the GPS system keeps showing
t'!=t, just like all serious precise clocks always did.

On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 16:51:18 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 12/28/2021 9:42 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Well, seems that some not understanding your idiocies
> >> engineers simply can't realize that they are FORCED; their
> >> minds may be polluted by common sense, this well known
> >> collection of prejudices.
> >>
> >
> > Yeah you sure showed all those people. You don’t understand relativity, and
> > so the proper response is to call it an idiocy and say you win if you
> > refuse to comply.
> >
> > I’m sure that approach works well for school children who have gotten a
> > failing mark in a school course. They simply tell their parents that it’s
> > an idiocy that makes no sense and that they refuse to be forced to believe
> > it. I’ll bet that goes over really well.
> >
> A better example would be if Woz disbelieved in gravity instead. He
> would claim that he would not be FORCED to go along with the laws of
> gravity, and might perhaps don a cape, stretch his arms over his head
> and leap off a tall building in a single bound. It is at that point
> that we'd hope he's safe in a locked hospital ward. At least he's
> unlikely to endanger himself declaring he won't be FORCED to obey
> relativity.

Keep dreaming, Moron; anyway, anyone can check GPS,
TAI, UTC - professionals are resistant to whateverr they are
allegedly FORCED according to your insane gurus.

> And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by
> Wozniak's moronic religion, the GPS system keeps showing
> t'!=t, just like all serious precise clocks always did.

You shoud really finally learn the difference between
t and T, Moron. It's really simple, even such an idiot
could catch it if he tried.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 8:07:28 AM UTC-8, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 16:51:18 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > On 12/28/2021 9:42 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Well, seems that some not understanding your idiocies
> > >> engineers simply can't realize that they are FORCED; their
> > >> minds may be polluted by common sense, this well known
> > >> collection of prejudices.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Yeah you sure showed all those people. You don’t understand relativity, and
> > > so the proper response is to call it an idiocy and say you win if you
> > > refuse to comply.
> > >
> > > I’m sure that approach works well for school children who have gotten a
> > > failing mark in a school course. They simply tell their parents that it’s
> > > an idiocy that makes no sense and that they refuse to be forced to believe
> > > it. I’ll bet that goes over really well.
> > >
> > A better example would be if Woz disbelieved in gravity instead. He
> > would claim that he would not be FORCED to go along with the laws of
> > gravity, and might perhaps don a cape, stretch his arms over his head
> > and leap off a tall building in a single bound. It is at that point
> > that we'd hope he's safe in a locked hospital ward. At least he's
> > unlikely to endanger himself declaring he won't be FORCED to obey
> > relativity.
> Keep dreaming, Moron; anyway, anyone can check GPS,
> TAI, UTC - professionals are resistant to whateverr they are
> allegedly FORCED according to your insane gurus.
> > And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by
> > Wozniak's moronic religion, the GPS system keeps showing
> > t'!=t, just like all serious precise clocks always did.
> You shoud really finally learn the difference between
> t and T, Moron. It's really simple, even such an idiot
> could catch it if he tried.

Cranks and their works-
The motor car - Benz and Ford
The airfoil - Wright Bros
Electric motor - Faraday
light bulb - Edison
Genetics - Fr. Mendel
Trans-resistance, discoverer cat whisker transistor lost to history
Scientific Method, Fr. Roger Bacon
Crystallography & Geology, Bishop Stenno
Bifocals, electrical polarity, Ben Franklin
Steam Engine, Thomas Newcomen
Dolan Velocity, Dolan Constant, Dolan Potential, Dolan Derivative, Dolan...I've forgotten how many. Perhaps Dono can do a search and give us an accurate count.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 9:12:32 AM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:

> Dolan Velocity, Dolan Constant, Dolan Potential, Dolan Derivative, Dolan...I've forgotten how many. Perhaps Dono can do a search and give us an accurate count.

Dolan cretinisms, Dolan imbecilities, Dolan crackpotteries,

patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 8:07:28 AM UTC-8, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 16:51:18 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>> On 12/28/2021 9:42 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, seems that some not understanding your idiocies
>>>>> engineers simply can't realize that they are FORCED; their
>>>>> minds may be polluted by common sense, this well known
>>>>> collection of prejudices.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah you sure showed all those people. You don’t understand relativity, and
>>>> so the proper response is to call it an idiocy and say you win if you
>>>> refuse to comply.
>>>>
>>>> I’m sure that approach works well for school children who have gotten a
>>>> failing mark in a school course. They simply tell their parents that it’s
>>>> an idiocy that makes no sense and that they refuse to be forced to believe
>>>> it. I’ll bet that goes over really well.
>>>>
>>> A better example would be if Woz disbelieved in gravity instead. He
>>> would claim that he would not be FORCED to go along with the laws of
>>> gravity, and might perhaps don a cape, stretch his arms over his head
>>> and leap off a tall building in a single bound. It is at that point
>>> that we'd hope he's safe in a locked hospital ward. At least he's
>>> unlikely to endanger himself declaring he won't be FORCED to obey
>>> relativity.
>> Keep dreaming, Moron; anyway, anyone can check GPS,
>> TAI, UTC - professionals are resistant to whateverr they are
>> allegedly FORCED according to your insane gurus.
>>> And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by
>>> Wozniak's moronic religion, the GPS system keeps showing
>>> t'!=t, just like all serious precise clocks always did.
>> You shoud really finally learn the difference between
>> t and T, Moron. It's really simple, even such an idiot
>> could catch it if he tried.
>
> Cranks and their works-
> The motor car - Benz and Ford
> The airfoil - Wright Bros
> Electric motor - Faraday
> light bulb - Edison
> Genetics - Fr. Mendel
> Trans-resistance, discoverer cat whisker transistor lost to history
> Scientific Method, Fr. Roger Bacon
> Crystallography & Geology, Bishop Stenno
> Bifocals, electrical polarity, Ben Franklin
> Steam Engine, Thomas Newcomen

Ah but these are not cranks, as others saw the value of their work.

> Dolan Velocity, Dolan Constant, Dolan Potential, Dolan Derivative,
> Dolan...I've forgotten how many.

Ah but Dolan is a crank because only he sees the value of his work.

The crank celebrates the thinking differently part and ignores the value as
assessed by others.

> Perhaps Dono can do a search and give us an accurate count.
>

--
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 9:28:47 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> patdolan <patd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 8:07:28 AM UTC-8, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 16:51:18 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>> On 12/28/2021 9:42 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, seems that some not understanding your idiocies
> >>>>> engineers simply can't realize that they are FORCED; their
> >>>>> minds may be polluted by common sense, this well known
> >>>>> collection of prejudices.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah you sure showed all those people. You don’t understand relativity, and
> >>>> so the proper response is to call it an idiocy and say you win if you
> >>>> refuse to comply.
> >>>>
> >>>> I’m sure that approach works well for school children who have gotten a
> >>>> failing mark in a school course. They simply tell their parents that it’s
> >>>> an idiocy that makes no sense and that they refuse to be forced to believe
> >>>> it. I’ll bet that goes over really well.
> >>>>
> >>> A better example would be if Woz disbelieved in gravity instead. He
> >>> would claim that he would not be FORCED to go along with the laws of
> >>> gravity, and might perhaps don a cape, stretch his arms over his head
> >>> and leap off a tall building in a single bound. It is at that point
> >>> that we'd hope he's safe in a locked hospital ward. At least he's
> >>> unlikely to endanger himself declaring he won't be FORCED to obey
> >>> relativity.
> >> Keep dreaming, Moron; anyway, anyone can check GPS,
> >> TAI, UTC - professionals are resistant to whateverr they are
> >> allegedly FORCED according to your insane gurus.
> >>> And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by
> >>> Wozniak's moronic religion, the GPS system keeps showing
> >>> t'!=t, just like all serious precise clocks always did.
> >> You shoud really finally learn the difference between
> >> t and T, Moron. It's really simple, even such an idiot
> >> could catch it if he tried.
> >
> > Cranks and their works-
> > The motor car - Benz and Ford
> > The airfoil - Wright Bros
> > Electric motor - Faraday
> > light bulb - Edison
> > Genetics - Fr. Mendel
> > Trans-resistance, discoverer cat whisker transistor lost to history
> > Scientific Method, Fr. Roger Bacon
> > Crystallography & Geology, Bishop Stenno
> > Bifocals, electrical polarity, Ben Franklin
> > Steam Engine, Thomas Newcomen
> Ah but these are not cranks, as others saw the value of their work.
> > Dolan Velocity, Dolan Constant, Dolan Potential, Dolan Derivative,
> > Dolan...I've forgotten how many.
> Ah but Dolan is a crank because only he sees the value of his work.
>
> The crank celebrates the thinking differently part and ignores the value as
> assessed by others.
> > Perhaps Dono can do a search and give us an accurate count.
> >
> --
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

I and others in this forum have performed yeoman's work dismantling SR. We have removed every load bearing beam, every cross brace, footing and joist bolt. We now wait on history to finish off this tottering, derelict pile of a thoroughly discredited theory--a theory whose existence in the media and in the universities has delayed the progress of true science since 1907, when it was conclusively falsified by gravity. The next theoretician to come along has but to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will collapse in a heap. And this is exactly as T. Kuhn would have it. Have a Happy New Year.

On 12/28/2021 12:46 PM, patdolan wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 9:28:47 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

>> Ah but these are not cranks, as others saw the value of their work.

>> Ah but Dolan is a crank because only he sees the value of his work.
>>
>> The crank celebrates the thinking differently part and ignores the value as
>> assessed by others.

> I and others in this forum have performed yeoman's work dismantling SR. We have removed every load bearing beam, every cross brace, footing and joist

As Odd said the value is in others seeing value in your work. You see
value in your "work" but Odd did write: "Ah but Dolan is a crank because
only he sees the value of his work."

patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 9:28:47 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> patdolan <patd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 8:07:28 AM UTC-8, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 16:51:18 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>> On 12/28/2021 9:42 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, seems that some not understanding your idiocies
>>>>>>> engineers simply can't realize that they are FORCED; their
>>>>>>> minds may be polluted by common sense, this well known
>>>>>>> collection of prejudices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah you sure showed all those people. You don’t understand relativity, and
>>>>>> so the proper response is to call it an idiocy and say you win if you
>>>>>> refuse to comply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m sure that approach works well for school children who have gotten a
>>>>>> failing mark in a school course. They simply tell their parents that it’s
>>>>>> an idiocy that makes no sense and that they refuse to be forced to believe
>>>>>> it. I’ll bet that goes over really well.
>>>>>>
>>>>> A better example would be if Woz disbelieved in gravity instead. He
>>>>> would claim that he would not be FORCED to go along with the laws of
>>>>> gravity, and might perhaps don a cape, stretch his arms over his head
>>>>> and leap off a tall building in a single bound. It is at that point
>>>>> that we'd hope he's safe in a locked hospital ward. At least he's
>>>>> unlikely to endanger himself declaring he won't be FORCED to obey
>>>>> relativity.
>>>> Keep dreaming, Moron; anyway, anyone can check GPS,
>>>> TAI, UTC - professionals are resistant to whateverr they are
>>>> allegedly FORCED according to your insane gurus.
>>>>> And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by
>>>>> Wozniak's moronic religion, the GPS system keeps showing
>>>>> t'!=t, just like all serious precise clocks always did.
>>>> You shoud really finally learn the difference between
>>>> t and T, Moron. It's really simple, even such an idiot
>>>> could catch it if he tried.
>>>
>>> Cranks and their works-
>>> The motor car - Benz and Ford
>>> The airfoil - Wright Bros
>>> Electric motor - Faraday
>>> light bulb - Edison
>>> Genetics - Fr. Mendel
>>> Trans-resistance, discoverer cat whisker transistor lost to history
>>> Scientific Method, Fr. Roger Bacon
>>> Crystallography & Geology, Bishop Stenno
>>> Bifocals, electrical polarity, Ben Franklin
>>> Steam Engine, Thomas Newcomen
>> Ah but these are not cranks, as others saw the value of their work.
>>> Dolan Velocity, Dolan Constant, Dolan Potential, Dolan Derivative,
>>> Dolan...I've forgotten how many.
>> Ah but Dolan is a crank because only he sees the value of his work.
>>
>> The crank celebrates the thinking differently part and ignores the value as
>> assessed by others.
>>> Perhaps Dono can do a search and give us an accurate count.
>>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> I and others in this forum have performed yeoman's work dismantling SR.

Well, it’s amusing to me that you pat yourself on the back for your
accomplishments while others note that SR does not fall or even appear
shaky.

But you make a prediction that someone ELSE will deliver the final blow.
When this will happen, you don’t say. Who will do it, you can’t say. Why
you can’t do it yourself with a published paper, you won’t say.

The stink of the empty boast is from the rot of the mouth that breathed it.

> We have removed every load bearing beam, every cross brace, footing and
> joist bolt. We now wait on history to finish off this tottering,
> derelict pile of a thoroughly discredited theory--a theory whose
> existence in the media and in the universities has delayed the progress
> of true science since 1907, when it was conclusively falsified by
> gravity. The next theoretician to come along has but to kick in the
> door and the whole rotten structure will collapse in a heap. And this is
> exactly as T. Kuhn would have it. Have a Happy New Year.
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 19:41:40 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, it’s amusing to me that you pat yourself on the back for your
> accomplishments while others note that SR does not fall or even appear
> shaky.

In the meantime in the real world, however, forbidden by
your moronic religion TAI keep measuring t'=t, just like all
serious clocks always did.

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 6:55:25 AM UTC-3, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> The launch of the James Webb telescope led me to make a comparison
> between the practical achievements of those whose work is rooted in
> physics and those who reject modern physics.
>
> First the real physicists and those who apply their discoveries (not
> just physicists, but also engineers, who don't necessarily understand
> the physics but apply it anyway):
>
> Electronic computers (and electronics in general)
> Nuclear power
> GPS technology
> Placing satellites in predetermined orbits
> Landing space vehicles on distant planets
> Radiocommunication and television
> X-ray crystallography
> Development of vaccines that work
> Trains that travel at 300 km/h or more
> Airliners that criss-cross the world
> Floating hotels ("cruise ships") that clog up the ports
> Nuclear weapons
> ... Too many others to list them all. One doesn't need to think of each
> of these as a Good Thing to recognize the expertise that went into its
> production.
>
> Now the practical achievements of Pentcho Valev, Richard Hertz and
> other crackpots:
>
> I haven't been able to think of anything to put here: can anyone help?
>
>
>
> --
> Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

The outcast countryless Athel wrote:

The launch of the James Webb telescope led me to make a comparison
between the practical achievements of those whose work is rooted in
physics and those who reject modern physics.

You, retarded asshole, can't even compare your asshole and the one of an elephant!

Modern world has been built by the accumulated effort and know-how of inventors, engineers and entrepreneurs since 1860.

EVERY THING that you, undeservedly, enjoy is the result of convergent chaotic&competing effort of technologists of any kind,
not physicists. And, at any case, chemists have 50 times more merit than the fucking physicists.

Now, crawl back to under the rock you came from, imbecile.

But remember, engineering + capitalism allow that your stupid Webb telescope be out there. With luck, we are going to enjoy
another 15 years of 5th. generation Photoshop and CGI, so the rotten mind of retarded like you can have a thoughtgasm.

Cretin. World was, is and will be developed by R&D in engineering plus the greed of capitalism. Fucking retarded!

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 6:55:25 AM UTC-3, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> The launch of the James Webb telescope led me to make a comparison
>> between the practical achievements of those whose work is rooted in
>> physics and those who reject modern physics.
>>
>> First the real physicists and those who apply their discoveries (not
>> just physicists, but also engineers, who don't necessarily understand
>> the physics but apply it anyway):
>>
>> Electronic computers (and electronics in general)
>> Nuclear power
>> GPS technology
>> Placing satellites in predetermined orbits
>> Landing space vehicles on distant planets
>> Radiocommunication and television
>> X-ray crystallography
>> Development of vaccines that work
>> Trains that travel at 300 km/h or more
>> Airliners that criss-cross the world
>> Floating hotels ("cruise ships") that clog up the ports
>> Nuclear weapons
>> ... Too many others to list them all. One doesn't need to think of each
>> of these as a Good Thing to recognize the expertise that went into its
>> production.
>>
>> Now the practical achievements of Pentcho Valev, Richard Hertz and
>> other crackpots:
>>
>> I haven't been able to think of anything to put here: can anyone help?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
>
> The outcast countryless Athel wrote:
>
> The launch of the James Webb telescope led me to make a comparison
> between the practical achievements of those whose work is rooted in
> physics and those who reject modern physics.
>
> You, retarded asshole, can't even compare your asshole and the one of an elephant!
>
> Modern world has been built by the accumulated effort and know-how of
> inventors, engineers and entrepreneurs since 1860.
>
> EVERY THING that you, undeservedly, enjoy is the result of convergent
> chaotic&competing effort of technologists of any kind,
> not physicists. And, at any case, chemists have 50 times more merit than
> the fucking physicists.

Science and technology have different values and purposes in the world.

You attempts to glorify one and demean the other just reflects your
tendency to self-aggrandizement and bitterness.

Balanced people understand the purposes and values of BOTH science and
technology. Unbalanced people fall short of the broader perspective. You
can do better.

>
> Now, crawl back to under the rock you came from, imbecile.
>
> But remember, engineering + capitalism allow that your stupid Webb
> telescope be out there. With luck, we are going to enjoy
> another 15 years of 5th. generation Photoshop and CGI, so the rotten mind
> of retarded like you can have a thoughtgasm.
>
> Cretin. World was, is and will be developed by R&D in engineering plus
> the greed of capitalism. Fucking retarded!
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Tuesday, 28 December 2021 at 21:15:40 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 6:55:25 AM UTC-3, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >> The launch of the James Webb telescope led me to make a comparison
> >> between the practical achievements of those whose work is rooted in
> >> physics and those who reject modern physics.
> >>
> >> First the real physicists and those who apply their discoveries (not
> >> just physicists, but also engineers, who don't necessarily understand
> >> the physics but apply it anyway):
> >>
> >> Electronic computers (and electronics in general)
> >> Nuclear power
> >> GPS technology
> >> Placing satellites in predetermined orbits
> >> Landing space vehicles on distant planets
> >> Radiocommunication and television
> >> X-ray crystallography
> >> Development of vaccines that work
> >> Trains that travel at 300 km/h or more
> >> Airliners that criss-cross the world
> >> Floating hotels ("cruise ships") that clog up the ports
> >> Nuclear weapons
> >> ... Too many others to list them all. One doesn't need to think of each
> >> of these as a Good Thing to recognize the expertise that went into its
> >> production.
> >>
> >> Now the practical achievements of Pentcho Valev, Richard Hertz and
> >> other crackpots:
> >>
> >> I haven't been able to think of anything to put here: can anyone help?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
> >
> > The outcast countryless Athel wrote:
> >
> > The launch of the James Webb telescope led me to make a comparison
> > between the practical achievements of those whose work is rooted in
> > physics and those who reject modern physics.
> >
> > You, retarded asshole, can't even compare your asshole and the one of an elephant!
> >
> > Modern world has been built by the accumulated effort and know-how of
> > inventors, engineers and entrepreneurs since 1860.
> >
> > EVERY THING that you, undeservedly, enjoy is the result of convergent
> > chaotic&competing effort of technologists of any kind,
> > not physicists. And, at any case, chemists have 50 times more merit than
> > the fucking physicists.
> Science and technology have different values and purposes in the world.

An idiot woodworker could never be mistaken about that, like
mortal worms sometimes are.