Worth to see movie, Gaia is the end of the world for us humans!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQKUVDrbPVw

It's us or them.
Sylvia Plath wrote a poem from a mushroom's point of view. Its closing lines:

"We are meek,
We are edible,

Nudgers and shovers
In spite of ourselves.
Our kind multiplies:

We shall by morning
Inherit the earth.
Our foot's in the door."

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 03:57:03 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, 5 February 2022 at 08:33:35 UTC-5, StarDust wrote:
>> Worth to see movie, Gaia is the end of the world for us humans!
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQKUVDrbPVw
>>
>> It's us or them.
>> Sylvia Plath wrote a poem from a mushroom's point of view. Its closing lines:
>>
>> "We are meek,
>> We are edible,
>>
>> Nudgers and shovers
>> In spite of ourselves.
>> Our kind multiplies:
>>
>> We shall by morning
>> Inherit the earth.
>> Our foot's in the door."
>
>Stupid envirokooks with psychiatric issues have been predicting the end of the world for 60 years. Before them, it was the religious fanatics, they are cut from the same psychologically-unbalanced cloth.

The world will not end because of our actions. But we are rapidly
making it a miserable place for humans, and creating the conditions
for our cultures to collapse.

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:18:07 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 03:57:03 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Saturday, 5 February 2022 at 08:33:35 UTC-5, StarDust wrote:
> >> Worth to see movie, Gaia is the end of the world for us humans!
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQKUVDrbPVw
> >>
> >> It's us or them.
> >> Sylvia Plath wrote a poem from a mushroom's point of view. Its closing lines:
> >>
> >> "We are meek,
> >> We are edible,
> >>
> >> Nudgers and shovers
> >> In spite of ourselves.
> >> Our kind multiplies:
> >>
> >> We shall by morning
> >> Inherit the earth.
> >> Our foot's in the door."
> >
> >Stupid envirokooks with psychiatric issues have been predicting the end of the world for 60 years. Before them, it was the religious fanatics, they are cut from the same psychologically-unbalanced cloth.
> The world will not end because of our actions. But we are rapidly
> making it a miserable place for humans, and creating the conditions
> for our cultures to collapse.

Deer warts!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vWWy1PLzM&list=PL26A7A67D221B9473&index=1

Zombie deer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NdgIQx9EMQ&list=PL26A7A67D221B9473&index=3

It can happen to humans too!
We think, we can solve everything with science?

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:57:05 AM UTC-8, RichA wrote:
> On Saturday, 5 February 2022 at 08:33:35 UTC-5, StarDust wrote:
> > Worth to see movie, Gaia is the end of the world for us humans!
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQKUVDrbPVw
> >
> > It's us or them.
> > Sylvia Plath wrote a poem from a mushroom's point of view. Its closing lines:
> >
> > "We are meek,
> > We are edible,
> >
> > Nudgers and shovers
> > In spite of ourselves.
> > Our kind multiplies:
> >
> > We shall by morning
> > Inherit the earth.
> > Our foot's in the door."
> Stupid envirokooks with psychiatric issues have been predicting the end of the world for 60 years. Before them, it was the religious fanatics, they are cut from the same psychologically-unbalanced cloth.

It's only fiction movie, don't get alarmed!
Mushroom spores can infect humans, even kill them easy, but can't spread like a virus.

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:27:21 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>> The world will not end because of our actions. But we are rapidly
>> making it a miserable place for humans, and creating the conditions
>> for our cultures to collapse.
>
>Deer warts!
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vWWy1PLzM&list=PL26A7A67D221B9473&index=1
>
>Zombie deer!
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NdgIQx9EMQ&list=PL26A7A67D221B9473&index=3
>
>It can happen to humans too!
>We think, we can solve everything with science?

Science is essential. But for large scale problems, it is only useful
given rational public policy decisions.

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:34:00 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:27:21 -0800 (PST),
> wrote:
> >> The world will not end because of our actions. But we are rapidly
> >> making it a miserable place for humans, and creating the conditions
> >> for our cultures to collapse.
> >
> >Deer warts!
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vWWy1PLzM&list=PL26A7A67D221B9473&index=1
> >
> >Zombie deer!
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NdgIQx9EMQ&list=PL26A7A67D221B9473&index=3
> >
> >It can happen to humans too!
> >We think, we can solve everything with science?
> Science is essential. But for large scale problems, it is only useful
> given rational public policy decisions.

Problem with science and technology, it makes some people vulnerable, relying on it too much!
Snow storms, hurricanes, rain, flooding, fire, wind etc... people panic!
Problem is, most people are not prepared!
I have camping gear, gas stove, lamp, SW radio etc.... but I know some of my neighbors don't even have an extra battery for the flashlight!?
We had here in CA power out for 4 days in the middle of the heat wave.
No power, nothing works. Everything runs on electricity!
Now here comes the EV cars?
😨

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:43:27 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
>
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:34:00 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >
> > Science is essential. But for large scale problems, it is only useful
> > given rational public policy decisions.

There's a problem determining what is rational and what is knee-jerk trendiness.

> Problem with science and technology, it makes some people vulnerable, relying
> on it too much!
> Snow storms, hurricanes, rain, flooding, fire, wind etc... people panic!
> Problem is, most people are not prepared!
> I have camping gear, gas stove, lamp, SW radio etc.... but I know some of my
> neighbors don't even have an extra battery for the flashlight!?
> We had here in CA power out for 4 days in the middle of the heat wave.
> No power, nothing works. Everything runs on electricity!
> Now here comes the EV cars?
> 😨

No problem. Get some solar panels. Oh, oh! Why are all those dark clouds
building up?

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 05:46:53 -0800 (PST), Gary Harnagel
<hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:43:27 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:34:00 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >
>> > Science is essential. But for large scale problems, it is only useful
>> > given rational public policy decisions.
>
>There's a problem determining what is rational and what is knee-jerk trendiness.

Not really. The distinction is easy to make. The failure to do so
simply represents more systemic failures in our society.

>> Problem with science and technology, it makes some people vulnerable, relying
>> on it too much!
>> Snow storms, hurricanes, rain, flooding, fire, wind etc... people panic!
>> Problem is, most people are not prepared!
>> I have camping gear, gas stove, lamp, SW radio etc.... but I know some of my
>> neighbors don't even have an extra battery for the flashlight!?
>> We had here in CA power out for 4 days in the middle of the heat wave.
>> No power, nothing works. Everything runs on electricity!
>> Now here comes the EV cars?
>> ?
>
>No problem. Get some solar panels. Oh, oh! Why are all those dark clouds
>building up?

Of course, solar can easily and rapidly create the majority of our
power. And at far lower cost than what we currently experience. But
again, poor policy decisions.

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 5:46:55 AM UTC-8, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:43:27 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:34:00 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > >
> > > Science is essential. But for large scale problems, it is only useful
> > > given rational public policy decisions.
> There's a problem determining what is rational and what is knee-jerk trendiness.
> > Problem with science and technology, it makes some people vulnerable, relying
> > on it too much!
> > Snow storms, hurricanes, rain, flooding, fire, wind etc... people panic!
> > Problem is, most people are not prepared!
> > I have camping gear, gas stove, lamp, SW radio etc.... but I know some of my
> > neighbors don't even have an extra battery for the flashlight!?
> > We had here in CA power out for 4 days in the middle of the heat wave.
> > No power, nothing works. Everything runs on electricity!
> > Now here comes the EV cars?
> > 😨
> No problem. Get some solar panels. Oh, oh! Why are all those dark clouds
> building up?

Still have to store energy somehow?
🤔

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 7:32:49 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 05:46:53 -0800 (PST), Gary Harnagel
> <hit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:43:27 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
> >>
> >> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:34:00 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Science is essential. But for large scale problems, it is only useful
> >> > given rational public policy decisions.
> >
> >There's a problem determining what is rational and what is knee-jerk trendiness.
> Not really. The distinction is easy to make. The failure to do so
> simply represents more systemic failures in our society.
> >> Problem with science and technology, it makes some people vulnerable, relying
> >> on it too much!
> >> Snow storms, hurricanes, rain, flooding, fire, wind etc... people panic!
> >> Problem is, most people are not prepared!
> >> I have camping gear, gas stove, lamp, SW radio etc.... but I know some of my
> >> neighbors don't even have an extra battery for the flashlight!?
> >> We had here in CA power out for 4 days in the middle of the heat wave.
> >> No power, nothing works. Everything runs on electricity!
> >> Now here comes the EV cars?
> >> ?
> >
> >No problem. Get some solar panels. Oh, oh! Why are all those dark clouds
> >building up?
> Of course, solar can easily and rapidly create the majority of our
> power. And at far lower cost than what we currently experience. But
> again, poor policy decisions.

Solar and wind!
25% of Germany's energy needs is covered by green energy right now!
Germany came off the nuclear energy path long time ago!
Germany is pushing hydrogen energy and to make it green, building plants in north-Africa where's planty of the sun's energy available.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:24:32 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 5:46:55 AM UTC-8, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:43:27 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
>> >
>> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:34:00 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Science is essential. But for large scale problems, it is only useful
>> > > given rational public policy decisions.
>> There's a problem determining what is rational and what is knee-jerk trendiness.
>> > Problem with science and technology, it makes some people vulnerable, relying
>> > on it too much!
>> > Snow storms, hurricanes, rain, flooding, fire, wind etc... people panic!
>> > Problem is, most people are not prepared!
>> > I have camping gear, gas stove, lamp, SW radio etc.... but I know some of my
>> > neighbors don't even have an extra battery for the flashlight!?
>> > We had here in CA power out for 4 days in the middle of the heat wave.
>> > No power, nothing works. Everything runs on electricity!
>> > Now here comes the EV cars?
>> > ?
>> No problem. Get some solar panels. Oh, oh! Why are all those dark clouds
>> building up?
>
>Still have to store energy somehow?
>?

Plenty of economical and efficient ways of doing that coming into play
now. Most just require fine tuning and commercialization. In ten years
we'll be doing this regularly.

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 11:49:49 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:24:32 -0800 (PST), StarDust
> wrote:
> >On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 5:46:55 AM UTC-8, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:43:27 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:34:00 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Science is essential. But for large scale problems, it is only useful
> >> > > given rational public policy decisions.
> >> There's a problem determining what is rational and what is knee-jerk trendiness.
> >> > Problem with science and technology, it makes some people vulnerable, relying
> >> > on it too much!
> >> > Snow storms, hurricanes, rain, flooding, fire, wind etc... people panic!
> >> > Problem is, most people are not prepared!
> >> > I have camping gear, gas stove, lamp, SW radio etc.... but I know some of my
> >> > neighbors don't even have an extra battery for the flashlight!?
> >> > We had here in CA power out for 4 days in the middle of the heat wave.
> >> > No power, nothing works. Everything runs on electricity!
> >> > Now here comes the EV cars?
> >> > ?
> >> No problem. Get some solar panels. Oh, oh! Why are all those dark clouds
> >> building up?
> >
> >Still have to store energy somehow?
> >?
>
> Plenty of economical and efficient ways of doing that coming into play
> now. Most just require fine tuning and commercialization. In ten years
> we'll be doing this regularly.

Biggest cost are the batteries to store energy.
Solar panels are all most given away.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 12:52:02 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 11:49:49 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:24:32 -0800 (PST), StarDust
>> wrote:
>> >On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 5:46:55 AM UTC-8, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:43:27 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:34:00 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Science is essential. But for large scale problems, it is only useful
>> >> > > given rational public policy decisions.
>> >> There's a problem determining what is rational and what is knee-jerk trendiness.
>> >> > Problem with science and technology, it makes some people vulnerable, relying
>> >> > on it too much!
>> >> > Snow storms, hurricanes, rain, flooding, fire, wind etc... people panic!
>> >> > Problem is, most people are not prepared!
>> >> > I have camping gear, gas stove, lamp, SW radio etc.... but I know some of my
>> >> > neighbors don't even have an extra battery for the flashlight!?
>> >> > We had here in CA power out for 4 days in the middle of the heat wave.
>> >> > No power, nothing works. Everything runs on electricity!
>> >> > Now here comes the EV cars?
>> >> > ?
>> >> No problem. Get some solar panels. Oh, oh! Why are all those dark clouds
>> >> building up?
>> >
>> >Still have to store energy somehow?
>> >?
>>
>> Plenty of economical and efficient ways of doing that coming into play
>> now. Most just require fine tuning and commercialization. In ten years
>> we'll be doing this regularly.
>
>Biggest cost are the batteries to store energy.
>Solar panels are all most given away.

Most of the serious approaches under development do not utilize
batteries in the way that term is usually meant now. There are systems
that convert electricity to hydrogen, along with fuel cells to convert
back to electricity. There are huge batteries with pumped electrolytes
and common, inexpensive internal materials. There are systems which
use gravity, either in the form of weights or pumped water. Lots of
stuff coming out, and all fairly inexpensive (and vastly less costly
than any fossil fuels).

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 12:52:02 -0800 (PST), StarDust
> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 11:49:49 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:24:32 -0800 (PST), StarDust
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 5:46:55 AM UTC-8, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:43:27 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:34:00 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Science is essential. But for large scale problems, it is only useful
> >> >> > > given rational public policy decisions.
> >> >> There's a problem determining what is rational and what is knee-jerk trendiness.
> >> >> > Problem with science and technology, it makes some people vulnerable, relying
> >> >> > on it too much!
> >> >> > Snow storms, hurricanes, rain, flooding, fire, wind etc... people panic!
> >> >> > Problem is, most people are not prepared!
> >> >> > I have camping gear, gas stove, lamp, SW radio etc.... but I know some of my
> >> >> > neighbors don't even have an extra battery for the flashlight!?
> >> >> > We had here in CA power out for 4 days in the middle of the heat wave.
> >> >> > No power, nothing works. Everything runs on electricity!
> >> >> > Now here comes the EV cars?
> >> >> > ?
> >> >> No problem. Get some solar panels. Oh, oh! Why are all those dark clouds
> >> >> building up?
> >> >
> >> >Still have to store energy somehow?
> >> >?
> >>
> >> Plenty of economical and efficient ways of doing that coming into play
> >> now. Most just require fine tuning and commercialization. In ten years
> >> we'll be doing this regularly.
> >
> >Biggest cost are the batteries to store energy.
> >Solar panels are all most given away.
> Most of the serious approaches under development do not utilize
> batteries in the way that term is usually meant now. There are systems
> that convert electricity to hydrogen, along with fuel cells to convert
> back to electricity. There are huge batteries with pumped electrolytes
> and common, inexpensive internal materials. There are systems which
> use gravity, either in the form of weights or pumped water. Lots of
> stuff coming out, and all fairly inexpensive (and vastly less costly
> than any fossil fuels).

We're talking about solar, which use batteries for storage at households, weather lead acid
or Lion?
Wind or the Ocean can generate power 24 hrs, solar is not.
Yes, there other techs in the pipeline, but it's not widespread.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 16:38:09 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 12:52:02 -0800 (PST), StarDust
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 11:49:49 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:24:32 -0800 (PST), StarDust
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 5:46:55 AM UTC-8, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:43:27 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:34:00 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Science is essential. But for large scale problems, it is only useful
>> >> >> > > given rational public policy decisions.
>> >> >> There's a problem determining what is rational and what is knee-jerk trendiness.
>> >> >> > Problem with science and technology, it makes some people vulnerable, relying
>> >> >> > on it too much!
>> >> >> > Snow storms, hurricanes, rain, flooding, fire, wind etc... people panic!
>> >> >> > Problem is, most people are not prepared!
>> >> >> > I have camping gear, gas stove, lamp, SW radio etc.... but I know some of my
>> >> >> > neighbors don't even have an extra battery for the flashlight!?
>> >> >> > We had here in CA power out for 4 days in the middle of the heat wave.
>> >> >> > No power, nothing works. Everything runs on electricity!
>> >> >> > Now here comes the EV cars?
>> >> >> > ?
>> >> >> No problem. Get some solar panels. Oh, oh! Why are all those dark clouds
>> >> >> building up?
>> >> >
>> >> >Still have to store energy somehow?
>> >> >?
>> >>
>> >> Plenty of economical and efficient ways of doing that coming into play
>> >> now. Most just require fine tuning and commercialization. In ten years
>> >> we'll be doing this regularly.
>> >
>> >Biggest cost are the batteries to store energy.
>> >Solar panels are all most given away.
>> Most of the serious approaches under development do not utilize
>> batteries in the way that term is usually meant now. There are systems
>> that convert electricity to hydrogen, along with fuel cells to convert
>> back to electricity. There are huge batteries with pumped electrolytes
>> and common, inexpensive internal materials. There are systems which
>> use gravity, either in the form of weights or pumped water. Lots of
>> stuff coming out, and all fairly inexpensive (and vastly less costly
>> than any fossil fuels).
>
>We're talking about solar, which use batteries for storage at households, weather lead acid
> or Lion?
>Wind or the Ocean can generate power 24 hrs, solar is not.
>Yes, there other techs in the pipeline, but it's not widespread.

It will be in a few years. That's the point. Large scale generation
isn't going to be using lead acid or Li-ion batteries.

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 7:59:10 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 16:38:09 -0800 (PST)
> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 12:52:02 -0800 (PST), StarDust
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 11:49:49 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:24:32 -0800 (PST), StarDust
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 5:46:55 AM UTC-8, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:43:27 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:34:00 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Science is essential. But for large scale problems, it is only useful
> >> >> >> > > given rational public policy decisions.
> >> >> >> There's a problem determining what is rational and what is knee-jerk trendiness.
> >> >> >> > Problem with science and technology, it makes some people vulnerable, relying
> >> >> >> > on it too much!
> >> >> >> > Snow storms, hurricanes, rain, flooding, fire, wind etc... people panic!
> >> >> >> > Problem is, most people are not prepared!
> >> >> >> > I have camping gear, gas stove, lamp, SW radio etc.... but I know some of my
> >> >> >> > neighbors don't even have an extra battery for the flashlight!?
> >> >> >> > We had here in CA power out for 4 days in the middle of the heat wave.
> >> >> >> > No power, nothing works. Everything runs on electricity!
> >> >> >> > Now here comes the EV cars?
> >> >> >> > ?
> >> >> >> No problem. Get some solar panels. Oh, oh! Why are all those dark clouds
> >> >> >> building up?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Still have to store energy somehow?
> >> >> >?
> >> >>
> >> >> Plenty of economical and efficient ways of doing that coming into play
> >> >> now. Most just require fine tuning and commercialization. In ten years
> >> >> we'll be doing this regularly.
> >> >
> >> >Biggest cost are the batteries to store energy.
> >> >Solar panels are all most given away.
> >> Most of the serious approaches under development do not utilize
> >> batteries in the way that term is usually meant now. There are systems
> >> that convert electricity to hydrogen, along with fuel cells to convert
> >> back to electricity. There are huge batteries with pumped electrolytes
> >> and common, inexpensive internal materials. There are systems which
> >> use gravity, either in the form of weights or pumped water. Lots of
> >> stuff coming out, and all fairly inexpensive (and vastly less costly
> >> than any fossil fuels).
> >
> >We're talking about solar, which use batteries for storage at households, weather lead acid
> > or Lion?
> >Wind or the Ocean can generate power 24 hrs, solar is not.
> >Yes, there other techs in the pipeline, but it's not widespread.
> It will be in a few years. That's the point. Large scale generation
> isn't going to be using lead acid or Li-ion batteries.

Old technology in new dress!
Back in the old days, 70's, city EV busses used over head wires for power in Europe!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7P1L6DVo4A

Germany Tests Electric Highway For Trucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Gd5YQwOys

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 21:17:56 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 7:59:10 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 16:38:09 -0800 (PST)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 12:52:02 -0800 (PST), StarDust
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 11:49:49 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 10:24:32 -0800 (PST), StarDust
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 5:46:55 AM UTC-8, hit...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 11:43:27 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 9:34:00 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Science is essential. But for large scale problems, it is only useful
>> >> >> >> > > given rational public policy decisions.
>> >> >> >> There's a problem determining what is rational and what is knee-jerk trendiness.
>> >> >> >> > Problem with science and technology, it makes some people vulnerable, relying
>> >> >> >> > on it too much!
>> >> >> >> > Snow storms, hurricanes, rain, flooding, fire, wind etc... people panic!
>> >> >> >> > Problem is, most people are not prepared!
>> >> >> >> > I have camping gear, gas stove, lamp, SW radio etc.... but I know some of my
>> >> >> >> > neighbors don't even have an extra battery for the flashlight!?
>> >> >> >> > We had here in CA power out for 4 days in the middle of the heat wave.
>> >> >> >> > No power, nothing works. Everything runs on electricity!
>> >> >> >> > Now here comes the EV cars?
>> >> >> >> > ?
>> >> >> >> No problem. Get some solar panels. Oh, oh! Why are all those dark clouds
>> >> >> >> building up?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Still have to store energy somehow?
>> >> >> >?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Plenty of economical and efficient ways of doing that coming into play
>> >> >> now. Most just require fine tuning and commercialization. In ten years
>> >> >> we'll be doing this regularly.
>> >> >
>> >> >Biggest cost are the batteries to store energy.
>> >> >Solar panels are all most given away.
>> >> Most of the serious approaches under development do not utilize
>> >> batteries in the way that term is usually meant now. There are systems
>> >> that convert electricity to hydrogen, along with fuel cells to convert
>> >> back to electricity. There are huge batteries with pumped electrolytes
>> >> and common, inexpensive internal materials. There are systems which
>> >> use gravity, either in the form of weights or pumped water. Lots of
>> >> stuff coming out, and all fairly inexpensive (and vastly less costly
>> >> than any fossil fuels).
>> >
>> >We're talking about solar, which use batteries for storage at households, weather lead acid
>> > or Lion?
>> >Wind or the Ocean can generate power 24 hrs, solar is not.
>> >Yes, there other techs in the pipeline, but it's not widespread.
>> It will be in a few years. That's the point. Large scale generation
>> isn't going to be using lead acid or Li-ion batteries.
>
>Old technology in new dress!

Not even close. Pumped electrolyte storage? Gravity storage?
Hydrogen/fuel cell storage? All new or new on a large scale.

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 00:32:31 -0800 (PST), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, 5 February 2022 at 08:33:35 UTC-5, StarDust wrote:
>> Worth to see movie, Gaia is the end of the world for us humans!
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQKUVDrbPVw
>>
>> It's us or them.
>> Sylvia Plath wrote a poem from a mushroom's point of view. Its closing lines:
>>
>> "We are meek,
>> We are edible,
>>
>> Nudgers and shovers
>> In spite of ourselves.
>> Our kind multiplies:
>>
>> We shall by morning
>> Inherit the earth.
>> Our foot's in the door."
>
>Just to add, there is an article in Feb. Sky & Tel about astronomers not being able to differentiate between a satellite flash and a gamma-ray burst because the flash from the presumed satellite came from the same spot. No, they don't interfeeeeerrrrr at all, do they??

Satellite flashes and tracks do not interfere with the science, no.

On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 5:33:35 AM UTC-8, StarDust wrote:
> Worth to see movie, Gaia is the end of the world for us humans!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQKUVDrbPVw
>
> It's us or them.
> Sylvia Plath wrote a poem from a mushroom's point of view. Its closing lines:
>
> "We are meek,
> We are edible,
>
> Nudgers and shovers
> In spite of ourselves.
> Our kind multiplies:
>
> We shall by morning
> Inherit the earth.
> Our foot's in the door."

Gaia at work!
https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/274132536_2099426580209820_3411617196513717289_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=NKUAEGX3SSUAX9GnUGp&tn=xoplSo8qeDVgsuXl&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT9Ye60Td26L0tn6qiAjB-hMtuvAl4UvQb7Bs77nKdyWUA&oe=621ABA02

Prime Minister Justin Blackface has just tweeted more anti-American
sentiment and his fanatical father like hate of them!!!!!!!!

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-11/28/15/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane03/sub-buzz-24237-1480364284-1.png?downsize=700%3A%2A&output-quality=auto&output-format=auto