Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28 miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't deviate from the set pattern.

In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 11:08:27 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28 miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't deviate from the set pattern.
>
> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?

‘How did it dump the data without recording it’ what does that mean? What is not recorded can’t be uploaded. If the ride is recorded there is a possibility that you didn’t save it and the recorded data is lost on your device so there is nothing to be uploaded. If it is saved it will be visible in the hystory on your device. There still can be issues when uploading (PC issues, Garmin server down) but the data is still on your device.

Lou

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:01:41 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 11:08:27 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28 miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data there.. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't deviate from the set pattern.
> >
> > In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
> ‘How did it dump the data without recording it’ what does that mean? What is not recorded can’t be uploaded. If the ride is recorded there is a possibility that you didn’t save it and the recorded data is lost on your device so there is nothing to be uploaded. If it is saved it will be visible in the hystory on your device. There still can be issues when uploading (PC issues, Garmin server down) but the data is still on your device.
>
> Lou
I turned the timer off, walked into the house and plugged it into the desktop as usual. I didn't look at the results for an hour which is a bit unusual but that shouldn't have had any effect on the data. When I did look there was no Tuesday ride.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
> deviate from the set pattern.
>
> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
>

Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!

Roger Merriman

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:42:45 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:01:41 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 11:08:27 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28 miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't deviate from the set pattern.
> > >
> > > In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
> > ‘How did it dump the data without recording it’ what does that mean? What is not recorded can’t be uploaded. If the ride is recorded there is a possibility that you didn’t save it and the recorded data is lost on your device so there is nothing to be uploaded. If it is saved it will be visible in the hystory on your device. There still can be issues when uploading (PC issues, Garmin server down) but the data is still on your device.
> >
> > Lou
> I turned the timer off, walked into the house and plugged it into the desktop as usual. I didn't look at the results for an hour which is a bit unusual but that shouldn't have had any effect on the data. When I did look there was no Tuesday ride.

When I pause the timer (you don't stop it) I see the intermediate results (distance, time, average speed and elevation gain) and I have three choices: discard, save and resume the timer/ride (pressing the pause button again). If I save the ride I can see the summary of that ride in different categories. Returning to the home screen I can acces the history (rides and totals) and the saved ride shows up in the rides. I have a 1030 but as far as I know the 830 works the same. I have my Garmin crash during a ride or run out of battery but I never lost the data of the ride.

Lou

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 1:26:54 PM UTC+2, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 12.04.2023 um 02:23 schrieb Roger Meriman:
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
> >> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
> >> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
> >> deviate from the set pattern.
> >>
> >> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
> >> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
> >>
> >
> > Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
> Right, in the last 2 weeks, I have managed to 'not start tracking' on my
> wrist watch twice, one walk (no record) and one bike ride (track on
> mobile phone was started sucessfully without HRM data).
>
> If you have the gadget on your handle bar, you can usually see
> immediately when it does not display any speeds (unless your bicycling
> glasses don't allow you to read the data on the gadget).
>
> Rolf

In the activity settings under Timer start-modus you can choose between; manual, on request or auto. Manual you have to press the button, on request the unit asks you if it should start the timer based on detected movement and auto it starts the timer automatically when movement is detected.

Lou

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
> Am 12.04.2023 um 02:23 schrieb Roger Meriman:
>> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
>>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
>>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
>>> deviate from the set pattern.
>>>
>>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
>>> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
>>>
>>
>> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
>
> Right, in the last 2 weeks, I have managed to 'not start tracking' on my
> wrist watch twice, one walk (no record) and one bike ride (track on
> mobile phone was started sucessfully without HRM data).
>
> If you have the gadget on your handle bar, you can usually see
> immediately when it does not display any speeds (unless your bicycling
> glasses don't allow you to read the data on the gadget).
>
> Rolf
>
>
Unfortunately the Edge units display speed. And will navigate without
starting the timer! Which I do think is a system failure than user error.

so on my two units I have the timer display somewhere, on the old 520 it’s
on the main screen so I can see I’ve started, on the 830 it’s on another
screen so I do need to check which 99% of the time I do!

Roger Merriman

Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:42:45 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 3:01:41 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 11:08:27 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
>>>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
>>>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
>>>> deviate from the set pattern.
>>>>
>>>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while
>>>> I was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
>>> ‘How did it dump the data without recording it’ what does that mean?
>>> What is not recorded can’t be uploaded. If the ride is recorded there
>>> is a possibility that you didn’t save it and the recorded data is lost
>>> on your device so there is nothing to be uploaded. If it is saved it
>>> will be visible in the hystory on your device. There still can be
>>> issues when uploading (PC issues, Garmin server down) but the data is
>>> still on your device.
>>>
>>> Lou
>> I turned the timer off, walked into the house and plugged it into the
>> desktop as usual. I didn't look at the results for an hour which is a
>> bit unusual but that shouldn't have had any effect on the data. When I
>> did look there was no Tuesday ride.
>
> When I pause the timer (you don't stop it) I see the intermediate results
> (distance, time, average speed and elevation gain) and I have three
> choices: discard, save and resume the timer/ride (pressing the pause
> button again). If I save the ride I can see the summary of that ride in
> different categories. Returning to the home screen I can acces the
> history (rides and totals) and the saved ride shows up in the rides. I
> have a 1030 but as far as I know the 830 works the same. I have my Garmin
> crash during a ride or run out of battery but I never lost the data of the ride.
>
> Lou
>
It’s the same Interface though the 830 and 530 plus the 130/1030+ come with
a significant faster CPU

I have once on a much older unit had a corrupted file that I couldn’t do
anything with.

The 840/540 has dropped today or yesterday and matches the 1040 so
interface has changed somewhat though very much mild update really.

Roger Merriman

Am 12.04.2023 um 02:23 schrieb Roger Meriman:
> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
>> deviate from the set pattern.
>>
>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
>> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
>>
>
> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!

Right, in the last 2 weeks, I have managed to 'not start tracking' on my
wrist watch twice, one walk (no record) and one bike ride (track on
mobile phone was started sucessfully without HRM data).

If you have the gadget on your handle bar, you can usually see
immediately when it does not display any speeds (unless your bicycling
glasses don't allow you to read the data on the gadget).

Rolf

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:23:27 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
> > miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
> > there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
> > deviate from the set pattern.
> >
> > In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
> > was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
> >
> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
>
> Roger Merriman
It was started and recorded the ride. I stopped it at the end of the ride, got the usual red square meaning it had stopped recording and walked into the house and plugged it directly into the desktop. If you do not start it properly the Garmin will not show mileage and climbing.

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:31:50 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Rolf Mantel <ne...@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
> > Am 12.04.2023 um 02:23 schrieb Roger Meriman:
> >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
> >>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
> >>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
> >>> deviate from the set pattern.
> >>>
> >>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
> >>> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
> >
> > Right, in the last 2 weeks, I have managed to 'not start tracking' on my
> > wrist watch twice, one walk (no record) and one bike ride (track on
> > mobile phone was started sucessfully without HRM data).
> >
> > If you have the gadget on your handle bar, you can usually see
> > immediately when it does not display any speeds (unless your bicycling
> > glasses don't allow you to read the data on the gadget).
> >
> > Rolf
> >
> >
> Unfortunately the Edge units display speed. And will navigate without
> starting the timer! Which I do think is a system failure than user error.
>
> so on my two units I have the timer display somewhere, on the old 520 it’s
> on the main screen so I can see I’ve started, on the 830 it’s on another
> screen so I do need to check which 99% of the time I do!
>
> Roger Merriman

When you start any of the Edge series I have, it puts a green arrow on the screen for a bit and shows the mileage changing which it will not do it the timer is off. I don't know anything about the wristwatches.

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:19:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:23:27 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
> > > miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
> > > there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
> > > deviate from the set pattern.
> > >
> > > In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
> > > was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
> > >
> > Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> It was started and recorded the ride. I stopped it at the end of the ride, got the usual red square meaning it had stopped recording and walked into the house and plugged it directly into the desktop. If you do not start it properly the Garmin will not show mileage and climbing.

After you see the red square you still have to save the ride.

Lou

Am 12.04.2023 um 17:20 schrieb Tom Kunich:
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 4:26:54 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 12.04.2023 um 02:23 schrieb Roger Meriman:
>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
>>>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
>>>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
>>>> deviate from the set pattern.
>>>>
>>>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
>>>> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
>> Right, in the last 2 weeks, I have managed to 'not start tracking' on my
>> wrist watch twice, one walk (no record) and one bike ride (track on
>> mobile phone was started sucessfully without HRM data).
>>
>> If you have the gadget on your handle bar, you can usually see
>> immediately when it does not display any speeds (unless your bicycling
>> glasses don't allow you to read the data on the gadget).
>
> I expect that there is an app for your phone that does everything a Garmin does and I will now consider that.

I can recommend 'SuperCycle' on Android for most needs (I believe the
bike computer has some additional features like displaying the gradient
of a planned course that are not available on a smartphone).

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 6:36:09 PM UTC+2, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 12.04.2023 um 17:20 schrieb Tom Kunich:
> > On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 4:26:54 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >> Am 12.04.2023 um 02:23 schrieb Roger Meriman:
> >>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
> >>>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
> >>>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
> >>>> deviate from the set pattern.
> >>>>
> >>>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
> >>>> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
> >> Right, in the last 2 weeks, I have managed to 'not start tracking' on my
> >> wrist watch twice, one walk (no record) and one bike ride (track on
> >> mobile phone was started sucessfully without HRM data).
> >>
> >> If you have the gadget on your handle bar, you can usually see
> >> immediately when it does not display any speeds (unless your bicycling
> >> glasses don't allow you to read the data on the gadget).
> >
> > I expect that there is an app for your phone that does everything a Garmin does and I will now consider that.
> I can recommend 'SuperCycle' on Android for most needs (I believe the
> bike computer has some additional features like displaying the gradient
> of a planned course that are not available on a smartphone).

Or just the Strava app.

Lou

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 9:52:22 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 6:36:09 PM UTC+2, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > Am 12.04.2023 um 17:20 schrieb Tom Kunich:
> > > On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 4:26:54 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > >> Am 12.04.2023 um 02:23 schrieb Roger Meriman:
> > >>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
> > >>>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
> > >>>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
> > >>>> deviate from the set pattern.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
> > >>>> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
> > >> Right, in the last 2 weeks, I have managed to 'not start tracking' on my
> > >> wrist watch twice, one walk (no record) and one bike ride (track on
> > >> mobile phone was started sucessfully without HRM data).
> > >>
> > >> If you have the gadget on your handle bar, you can usually see
> > >> immediately when it does not display any speeds (unless your bicycling
> > >> glasses don't allow you to read the data on the gadget).
> > >
> > > I expect that there is an app for your phone that does everything a Garmin does and I will now consider that.
> > I can recommend 'SuperCycle' on Android for most needs (I believe the
> > bike computer has some additional features like displaying the gradient
> > of a planned course that are not available on a smartphone).
> Or just the Strava app.
>
> Lou

Or like I have always done in the past - record the readings on paper before plugging it into the desktop. Once is a curiosity, twice could be something I'm doing wrong. But the third time I am positive I did everything correct. So this was somehow the fault of Garmin. They did just recently update their software yet again.

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:07:43 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:19:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:23:27 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
> >>>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
> >>>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
> >>>> deviate from the set pattern.
> >>>>
> >>>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
> >>>> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
> >>>>
> >>> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
> >>>
> >>> Roger Merriman
> >> It was started and recorded the ride. I stopped it at the end of the
> >> ride, got the usual red square meaning it had stopped recording and
> >> walked into the house and plugged it directly into the desktop. If you
> >> do not start it properly the Garmin will not show mileage and climbing..
> >
> > After you see the red square you still have to save the ride.
> >
> > Lou
> >
> Indeed though if it crashes/runs out of power does seem to auto save?
>
> But possibly if plugged in to the computer though why Tom does this? As the
> 830 will upload rides via WiFi or connected phone no need to plug in to the
> computer bar occasionally for map update.
>
> But I guess if not saved and then plugged in it might go to disk mode
> before saving? It certainly shouldn’t just dump the file really.
You have to plug it in to charge it anyway so why set it up for WiFi and then have to worry if your phone battery is up?

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 11:34:24 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:07:43 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:19:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:23:27 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > >>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
> > >>>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
> > >>>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
> > >>>> deviate from the set pattern.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
> > >>>> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
> > >>>>
> > >>> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
> > >>>
> > >>> Roger Merriman
> > >> It was started and recorded the ride. I stopped it at the end of the
> > >> ride, got the usual red square meaning it had stopped recording and
> > >> walked into the house and plugged it directly into the desktop. If you
> > >> do not start it properly the Garmin will not show mileage and climbing.
> > >
> > > After you see the red square you still have to save the ride.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > >
> > Indeed though if it crashes/runs out of power does seem to auto save?
> >
> > But possibly if plugged in to the computer though why Tom does this? As the
> > 830 will upload rides via WiFi or connected phone no need to plug in to the
> > computer bar occasionally for map update.
> >
> > But I guess if not saved and then plugged in it might go to disk mode
> > before saving? It certainly shouldn’t just dump the file really..
> You have to plug it in to charge it anyway so why set it up for WiFi and then have to worry if your phone battery is up?

Your phone has nothing to do with it.

Lou

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:07:43 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:19:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:23:27 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
>>>>>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
>>>>>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
>>>>>> deviate from the set pattern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
>>>>>> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>> It was started and recorded the ride. I stopped it at the end of the
>>>> ride, got the usual red square meaning it had stopped recording and
>>>> walked into the house and plugged it directly into the desktop. If you
>>>> do not start it properly the Garmin will not show mileage and climbing.
>>>
>>> After you see the red square you still have to save the ride.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>>
>> Indeed though if it crashes/runs out of power does seem to auto save?
>>
>> But possibly if plugged in to the computer though why Tom does this? As the
>> 830 will upload rides via WiFi or connected phone no need to plug in to the
>> computer bar occasionally for map update.
>>
>> But I guess if not saved and then plugged in it might go to disk mode
>> before saving? It certainly shouldn’t just dump the file really.
> You have to plug it in to charge it anyway so why set it up for WiFi and
> then have to worry if your phone battery is up?
>
It has really good battery life what 16 hrs and charges up in what a hr or
so at least with a higher power adapter, computer USB ports tend to be low
power.

Short answer is it’s largely simple, hit save it generally automatically
syncs, I charge it up I guess every other ride or so, even 7/8hr rides it’s
has plenty left so no need to charge it up it’s likely to outlast me in
terms of ride length.

Roger Merriman

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 4:26:54 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 12.04.2023 um 02:23 schrieb Roger Meriman:
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
> >> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
> >> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
> >> deviate from the set pattern.
> >>
> >> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
> >> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
> >>
> >
> > Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
> Right, in the last 2 weeks, I have managed to 'not start tracking' on my
> wrist watch twice, one walk (no record) and one bike ride (track on
> mobile phone was started sucessfully without HRM data).
>
> If you have the gadget on your handle bar, you can usually see
> immediately when it does not display any speeds (unless your bicycling
> glasses don't allow you to read the data on the gadget).
>
> Rolf

I expect that there is an app for your phone that does everything a Garmin does and I will now consider that.

Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 11:34:24 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:07:43 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:19:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:23:27 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
>>>>>>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
>>>>>>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
>>>>>>> deviate from the set pattern.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
>>>>>>> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>> It was started and recorded the ride. I stopped it at the end of the
>>>>> ride, got the usual red square meaning it had stopped recording and
>>>>> walked into the house and plugged it directly into the desktop. If you
>>>>> do not start it properly the Garmin will not show mileage and climbing.
>>>>
>>>> After you see the red square you still have to save the ride.
>>>>
>>>> Lou
>>>>
>>> Indeed though if it crashes/runs out of power does seem to auto save?
>>>
>>> But possibly if plugged in to the computer though why Tom does this? As the
>>> 830 will upload rides via WiFi or connected phone no need to plug in to the
>>> computer bar occasionally for map update.
>>>
>>> But I guess if not saved and then plugged in it might go to disk mode
>>> before saving? It certainly shouldn’t just dump the file really.
>> You have to plug it in to charge it anyway so why set it up for WiFi and
>> then have to worry if your phone battery is up?
>
> Your phone has nothing to do with it.
>
> Lou
>
possibly is if he has Garmin connect app though seems not to have as far as
I’m aware?

I find the connectivity useful though does increase batter drain on the
phone. Ie get texts and so on. Which I can ignore or stop and respond to
mostly the first!

Roger Merriman

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 2:39:25 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 11:34:24 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:07:43 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > > Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:19:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:23:27 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > > >>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
> > > >>>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
> > > >>>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
> > > >>>> deviate from the set pattern.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
> > > >>>> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Roger Merriman
> > > >> It was started and recorded the ride. I stopped it at the end of the
> > > >> ride, got the usual red square meaning it had stopped recording and
> > > >> walked into the house and plugged it directly into the desktop. If you
> > > >> do not start it properly the Garmin will not show mileage and climbing.
> > > >
> > > > After you see the red square you still have to save the ride.
> > > >
> > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > Indeed though if it crashes/runs out of power does seem to auto save?
> > >
> > > But possibly if plugged in to the computer though why Tom does this? As the
> > > 830 will upload rides via WiFi or connected phone no need to plug in to the
> > > computer bar occasionally for map update.
> > >
> > > But I guess if not saved and then plugged in it might go to disk mode
> > > before saving? It certainly shouldn’t just dump the file really.
> > You have to plug it in to charge it anyway so why set it up for WiFi and then have to worry if your phone battery is up?
> Your phone has nothing to do with it.
>
> Lou
The desktop doesn't have access to WiFi so it would have to go through the phone. All of my computer components are hard wired. The only thing on WiFi is the TV.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 2:39:25 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 11:34:24 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:07:43 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:19:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:23:27 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
>>>>>>>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
>>>>>>>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
>>>>>>>> deviate from the set pattern.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
>>>>>>>> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>> It was started and recorded the ride. I stopped it at the end of the
>>>>>> ride, got the usual red square meaning it had stopped recording and
>>>>>> walked into the house and plugged it directly into the desktop. If you
>>>>>> do not start it properly the Garmin will not show mileage and climbing.
>>>>>
>>>>> After you see the red square you still have to save the ride.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed though if it crashes/runs out of power does seem to auto save?
>>>>
>>>> But possibly if plugged in to the computer though why Tom does this? As the
>>>> 830 will upload rides via WiFi or connected phone no need to plug in to the
>>>> computer bar occasionally for map update.
>>>>
>>>> But I guess if not saved and then plugged in it might go to disk mode
>>>> before saving? It certainly shouldn’t just dump the file really.
>>> You have to plug it in to charge it anyway so why set it up for WiFi
>>> and then have to worry if your phone battery is up?
>> Your phone has nothing to do with it.
>>
>> Lou
> The desktop doesn't have access to WiFi so it would have to go through
> the phone. All of my computer components are hard wired. The only thing on WiFi is the TV.
>
The 830 doesn’t need a computer bar for map updates which are what 1 or 2
times a year.

So if you have WiFi the 830 will happily sync over that, I have connected
mine to my phone but it doesn’t need to be as long as there is WiFi I can
use it will use that.

Garmin is bit old school in that you need the computer for map updates,
Wahoo and hammerhead are much more phone connected/stand alone device.

Roger Merriman.

Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 5:19:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:23:27 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Garmin drives me crazy. Today I went out on a 1,400 foot climb and 28
>>>> miles. Coming home I plugged it into the desktop and there was no data
>>>> there. This is the second or third time that has happened and I don't
>>>> deviate from the set pattern.
>>>>
>>>> In Garmin Connect, Sunday is the last ride shown. It worked fine while I
>>>> was riding so how did it dump the data without recording it?
>>>>
>>> Most likely you didn’t start it! Which is surprising easy to do!
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>> It was started and recorded the ride. I stopped it at the end of the
>> ride, got the usual red square meaning it had stopped recording and
>> walked into the house and plugged it directly into the desktop. If you
>> do not start it properly the Garmin will not show mileage and climbing.
>
> After you see the red square you still have to save the ride.
>
> Lou
>

Indeed though if it crashes/runs out of power does seem to auto save?

But possibly if plugged in to the computer though why Tom does this? As the
830 will upload rides via WiFi or connected phone no need to plug in to the
computer bar occasionally for map update.

But I guess if not saved and then plugged in it might go to disk mode
before saving? It certainly shouldn’t just dump the file really.

Roger Merriman

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:48:07 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>The desktop doesn't have access to WiFi so it would have to go
>through the phone. All of my computer components are hard wired.
>The only thing on WiFi is the TV.

Adding a Wi-Fi card or USB dongle to a desktop is a fairly trivial
exercise. So, how do you connect to the internet with your desktop?
Dialup via a POTS phone line?

06/16/2021
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/1pQFl5_ZkKY/m/SvCkaTdaAQAJ>
"Windows has had a very difficult time marketing Word because I'm
still using the 1996 version and so is most other people until they
upgrade to Windows 10 and it will not allow that version to work."

--
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 19:35:30 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:48:07 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The desktop doesn't have access to WiFi so it would have to go
>>through the phone. All of my computer components are hard wired.
>>The only thing on WiFi is the TV.
>
>Adding a Wi-Fi card or USB dongle to a desktop is a fairly trivial
>exercise. So, how do you connect to the internet with your desktop?
>Dialup via a POTS phone line?
>
>06/16/2021
><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/1pQFl5_ZkKY/m/SvCkaTdaAQAJ>
>"Windows has had a very difficult time marketing Word because I'm
>still using the 1996 version and so is most other people until they
>upgrade to Windows 10 and it will not allow that version to work."

Here the most common method of accessing the Internet is through a
Wi-Fi connection. The "Internet Company" comes to the house and
installs a wi-fi transmitter/Receiver in one room and every thing in
the house has access. (well assuming that they have the password :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.