AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 4/20/2023 9:33 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 9:00:28 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 2:25:38 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>>> Am 16.04.2023 um 22:45 schrieb Catrike Rider:
>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 8:18:00?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 7:52:45?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 07:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 6:41:54?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2023 5:13 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After and during a long ride, (42 miles today) my nearly 78 year old
>>>>>>>>>>>>> legs tend to cramp as I'm getting up from, or sitting down on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike. A few years ago it wasn't a problem. Today it was,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I broke
>>>>>>>>>>>>> down and ordered some short bar end devices to mount on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> handbars to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> help me to get up off and onto the Catrike. I haven't decided just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where I'll mount them, but I'll figure someting out when they get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here. The problem is that I can't get my feet under me, so I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something to grab on to to help me get up and to keep from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plunking my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 lb self down on the seat, which I've lowered to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 7 inches
>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the ground. A few years ago it wasn't a problem. Today it was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no personal experience with leg cramps but two aged
>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclists I knew when I was young suggested two different
>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches. One said a banana for potassium. The other
>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested a sharp pull downward on the nasal septum which he
>>>>>>>>>>>> claimed brought immediate relief in an acupuncture sort of
>>>>>>>>>>>> effect. I can't attest to either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>>>>>>>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, painful leg cramps are almost always caused
>>>>>>>>>>> by too short a range of motion of the legs and my one
>>>>>>>>>>> experience with Cat Trikes showed me that they were pretty
>>>>>>>>>>> cramped.
>>>>>>>>>> Catrikes have an adjustable bottom bracket distance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am aware of that but that does not mean you have it set
>>>>>>>>> correctly. Leg cramps are a rather vivid symptom.
>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that's not the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was sure that 175 cranks were not a problem when my knees were
>>>>>>> hurting. After all, I had been using them all my life. But when I
>>>>>>> changed to 172.5 the knee pain went away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My knees troubled me when I first began riding a recumbent. It solved
>>>>>> itself and is no longer a problem. Probably as my techique improved.
>>>>> Knee problems are a well known issue with begniier recumbent riders,
>>>>> when you are pushing a gear that is too high, especially uphill.
>>>>>
>>>>> One solution is to remind yourself to use a lower gear when possible.
>>>>> In the long term, your legs adjust to the different strength requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rolf
>>>> I went out with the fast group today and they dropped me in 30
>>>> seconds. After 10 miles of chasing there was a coffee stop and I
>>>> withdrew. I suppose age comes to everyone.
>>> No, age comes only to the lucky ones.
>>
>> One of the doctors on the web spouts off about how processed food kills
>> Americans before their time. In my experience it is not processed foods
>> but too much food. And most of that is neutralized by riding bike.
>>
>
> Why cannot both be true?
>
Being mildly overweight doesn’t seem to be particularly if at all bad for
folks lifespan.

As ever it’s a multiple of things, genetics/upbringing lifestyle and simply
probability.

I come from a relatively long lived family, and am active etc.

But I also am now disabled and it’s likely to age me quicker ie my risk for
number of conditions has jumped up and so on.

Roger Merriman

On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 8:06:36 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > On 4/20/2023 9:33 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 9:00:28 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 2:25:38 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >>>>> Am 16.04.2023 um 22:45 schrieb Catrike Rider:
> >>>>>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 8:18:00?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 7:52:45?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 07:11:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 6:41:54?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/15/2023 5:13 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> After and during a long ride, (42 miles today) my nearly 78 year old
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> legs tend to cramp as I'm getting up from, or sitting down on the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Catrike. A few years ago it wasn't a problem. Today it was,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> so I broke
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> down and ordered some short bar end devices to mount on my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> handbars to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> help me to get up off and onto the Catrike. I haven't decided just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> where I'll mount them, but I'll figure someting out when they get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> here. The problem is that I can't get my feet under me, so I need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> something to grab on to to help me get up and to keep from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> plunking my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 lb self down on the seat, which I've lowered to be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about 7 inches
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> off the ground. A few years ago it wasn't a problem. Today it was.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have no personal experience with leg cramps but two aged
> >>>>>>>>>>>> cyclists I knew when I was young suggested two different
> >>>>>>>>>>>> approaches. One said a banana for potassium. The other
> >>>>>>>>>>>> suggested a sharp pull downward on the nasal septum which he
> >>>>>>>>>>>> claimed brought immediate relief in an acupuncture sort of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> effect. I can't attest to either.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Muzi
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, painful leg cramps are almost always caused
> >>>>>>>>>>> by too short a range of motion of the legs and my one
> >>>>>>>>>>> experience with Cat Trikes showed me that they were pretty
> >>>>>>>>>>> cramped.
> >>>>>>>>>> Catrikes have an adjustable bottom bracket distance.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I am aware of that but that does not mean you have it set
> >>>>>>>>> correctly. Leg cramps are a rather vivid symptom.
> >>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that's not the problem.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I was sure that 175 cranks were not a problem when my knees were
> >>>>>>> hurting. After all, I had been using them all my life. But when I
> >>>>>>> changed to 172.5 the knee pain went away.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My knees troubled me when I first began riding a recumbent. It solved
> >>>>>> itself and is no longer a problem. Probably as my techique improved.
> >>>>> Knee problems are a well known issue with begniier recumbent riders,
> >>>>> when you are pushing a gear that is too high, especially uphill.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One solution is to remind yourself to use a lower gear when possible.
> >>>>> In the long term, your legs adjust to the different strength requirements.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rolf
> >>>> I went out with the fast group today and they dropped me in 30
> >>>> seconds. After 10 miles of chasing there was a coffee stop and I
> >>>> withdrew. I suppose age comes to everyone.
> >>> No, age comes only to the lucky ones.
> >>
> >> One of the doctors on the web spouts off about how processed food kills
> >> Americans before their time. In my experience it is not processed foods
> >> but too much food. And most of that is neutralized by riding bike.
> >>
> >
> > Why cannot both be true?
> >
> Being mildly overweight doesn’t seem to be particularly if at all bad for
> folks lifespan.
>
> As ever it’s a multiple of things, genetics/upbringing lifestyle and simply
> probability.
>
> I come from a relatively long lived family, and am active etc.
>
> But I also am now disabled and it’s likely to age me quicker ie my risk for
> number of conditions has jumped up and so on.
>
> Roger Merriman

I don't know. I think that age is 90% heredity and 10% how you take care of yourself. My older brother is 5 years older than me and he would be in fine health if he would get his knees replaced. A lifetime as a switchman on the railroad jumping on and off moving trains really screwed his knees up.